Amanuensis he/him Posted March 28 Posted March 28 1 minute ago, Through the Living Mist said: NK. From what I can tell, I am the single best target And I actually don’t think so, everything I have for why I’m the best target is still true, considering that I'm not sure you are in the top 5 NKs tbh
Verdance he/him Posted March 28 Posted March 28 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: Not a read on the players. Just a valid GM troll given the consensus D1 has been exe within Slytherin, and it's my impression that is the most beneficial situation to elims Like if I was GMing, I would seriously consider putting at least one elim in the 2 person House. Otherwise both players are soft cleared from the start Interesting. I have been saying V!Mist > V!Grass. Who said we should exe you? If anything I would rather us murder all of Gryffindor first This is what I would call a slip *sadness* Mist has been assuming he dies first round, which… i would like to avoid. Because loneliness. I think Aman is jumping to agro against Mist really quickly, tbh. and Mist seems to basically be resigned to death. Edited March 28 by Through The Living Grass
Amanuensis he/him Posted March 28 Posted March 28 3 minutes ago, Through the Living Mist said: NK. From what I can tell, I am the single best target And I actually don’t think so, everything I have for why I’m the best target is still true, considering that Also, again, if you being paranoid of being NK'd C1 is your explanation for why you jumped to being defensive of getting exed, I'm not sure that makes sense from a V perspective. Especially if you think the best reason for you being NK'd is because you are consensus read V The optimal NKs are any Village Prefect
Mint11 she/her Posted March 28 Posted March 28 1 hour ago, Doc12 said: i don't think this is a thing just you have been saying, but curious why Fallen going for prefect makes her seem more village, while Hopper seems more elim for the same reason? I mean, was Fallen pushing for a vote to happen or for them to personally become prefect? I interpreted it as the former. 1 hour ago, Amanuensis said: Just imagine a scenario where the elims comfortably believe only three villagers are in danger, only for the next cycle to reveal that a bunch of villagers mislead them and ended up voting out an elim. If an elim is not already in danger but gets exed, it just about guarantees no bussing had occurred, giving us a bunch of soft clears. Okay yeah, this is a fair argument. I know this isn't the only reason you give, but the concrete example helps me wrap my mind around the strategy.
Doc12 Posted March 28 Posted March 28 (edited) Devastating if you're a villager Edited March 28 by Doc12 6
Myst He/Him Posted March 28 Posted March 28 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: Also, again, if you being paranoid of being NK'd C1 is your explanation for why you jumped to being defensive of getting exed, I'm not sure that makes sense from a V perspective. Especially if you think the best reason for you being NK'd is because you are consensus read V The optimal NKs are any Village Prefect Which I have a 50/50 of being, and if I’m not, based on everyone’s voting so far, it seems I’m in the line for extra credit Edit: Doc, love the commentary Edited March 28 by Through the Living Mist
Verdance he/him Posted March 28 Posted March 28 9 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: Also, again, if you being paranoid of being NK'd C1 is your explanation for why you jumped to being defensive of getting exed, I'm not sure that makes sense from a V perspective. Especially if you think the best reason for you being NK'd is because you are consensus read V The optimal NKs are any Village Prefect To be fair, Hufflepuff’s biggest disadvantage is that our prefect will likely be eliminated very very quickly.
Amanuensis he/him Posted March 28 Posted March 28 Just now, Through the Living Mist said: Which I have a 50/50 of being, and if I’m not, based on everyone’s voting so far, it seems I’m in the line for extra credit Oh, I figured most people removed their positive public votes to avoid this problem, once Archer clarified a Top Child would die with their Extra Credit
Myst He/Him Posted March 28 Posted March 28 Just now, Amanuensis said: Oh, I figured most people removed their positive public votes to avoid this problem, once Archer clarified a Top Child would die with their Extra Credit Like I said, I am the best target. Plus, getting any other houses prefect says that they have an Elim in that house. Thats not the case with Hufflepuff
Amanuensis he/him Posted March 28 Posted March 28 Just now, Through The Living Grass said: To be fair, Hufflepuff’s biggest disadvantage is that our prefect will likely be eliminated very very quickly. Interesting. I feel the best elim strat is keeping Hufflepuff and Gryffindor full and shoot within Slytherin 2 minutes ago, Through the Living Mist said: Like I said, I am the best target. Plus, getting any other houses prefect says that they have an Elim in that house. Thats not the case with Hufflepuff Bolded mine. Does it? If so, why do you believe the elims wouldn't take advantage of that presumption? I think where we are butting heads is that you assume the first level of every "optimal" choice. Occam's razor is definitely a thing but that makes the elims predictable.
Verdance he/him Posted March 28 Posted March 28 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: Interesting. I feel the best elim strat is keeping Hufflepuff and Gryffindor full and shoot within Slytherin If I were an elim, I would kill me and Mist very quickly, because we have little ties to the rest of the universe, and because it would be relatively easy to take out the prefect, and i think you know that. My question is are you hypothesizing a worse elim strat to protect Hufflepuff, or to make yourself seem less like an elim? Edited March 28 by Through The Living Grass
Amanuensis he/him Posted March 28 Posted March 28 Just now, Through The Living Grass said: If I were an elim, I would kill me and Mist very quickly, because we have little ties to the rest of the universe, and because it would be relatively easy to take out the prefect, and i think you know that. My question is are you hypothesizing a worse elim strat to protect Hufflepuff, or to make yourself seem less like an elim? Maybe I'll tell you in the dead doc I suppose I could be playing this up to ensure the elims have to change an already decided kill within the last few hours. But that would imply that I'm some kind of gambit maniac or something I am
Myst He/Him Posted March 28 Posted March 28 1 minute ago, Amanuensis said: Turn ends in 5 minutes, yes? I think so
Amanuensis he/him Posted March 28 Posted March 28 (edited) Unless the e!team is Mist, Miss, coco, I don't foresee any elims in the top wagons 1 minute ago, Amanuensis said: Unless the e!team is Mist, Miss, coco, I don't foresee any elims in the top wagons Hello Wahr welcome to the party. Mippo too Edited March 28 by Amanuensis
Archer he/him Posted March 29 Author Posted March 29 This cycle is now closed. Please don't message me until the start of the new cycle. It's easier to vote count that way. 1
Archer he/him Posted March 29 Author Posted March 29 Cycle Two: The Gargoyle “Wingardium leviosa!” Trance yelped as his cauldron flew to the ceiling. “Trance, right? You’re in the wrong place, bud.” “I’m sorry, these halls all look the same. I’m looking for Potions...” “Not what I meant.” Trance finally met the bully’s gaze, then looked a little higher. “You found the Sorting Hat!” “Run, squib. It’s funner if you run.” · · ─ ·✶· ─ · · Cycle Two has begun! This cycle ends in 48 hours, at 20:00 EST (GMT -4) on Monday, March 30th. If you are awarded a spell by Prefect or Extra Credit, you must declare your selection by the next rollover, or take random selection. You can use it that rollover, or save it for future use. Obliviate affects spells that were earned previously, which could include those declared in the same rollover that Obliviate is cast. Therefore, a Prefect could immediately target another Prefect during the next rollover, erasing their spell before it is cast. (Obliviate only affects the elim factional spell if it's actively being cast that cycle.) Another clarification: If someone is exed and NKed, both will be declared. · · ─ ·✶· ─ · · This Cycle: House Points Voting (Exe) Players cast up to six votes* in their GM PM, all for different people: +3/+2/+1/-1/-2/-3. Players may be penalized or rewarded based on their points total for the round, per the rules. Players Quote Students: 1. @Through the Living Mist as Trance, secretly a squib. Loyal Student. 2. @Amanuensis as Lamar and Amora Penwell, 1st year brother at Hogwarts determined to solve the murder of his now-ghost sister. 3. @Through The Living Grass as Orpheus ‘Ory’ Grey the 5th year. Terrible liar, loyal to a fault. 4. @coco.pudding as Vera Coran, the daughter of Someone Important in the Ministry of Magic. 5. @Through the Living Hopper as Jarry Motter, a high-achieving, even higher-dueling 6th year. 6. @Araris Valerian as Tom Bombadil Donuts, or TBD for short, who has a mysterious lineage. Loyal Student. 7. @Through the living Wahr as Leokadius Seydlitz, a cape-wearing German Pureblood whose family got him accepted at Hogwarts. 8. @TwinStorm as Raese Thean, a musically-inclined, slightly oblivious half-blood who has always dreamed of Hogwarts and Quidditch. 9. @Through the Living Ink as Forest Randane, an overenthusiatic 5th year with curly brown hair. 10. @Doc12 as Azalea, who has the grace and smile of someone who bad things have never happened to ever. 11. @mippo as Sox. 12. @Qianweilian as Leonidas, a sixth year enamored with wizard history and the art of combat. 13. @|TJ| as Ceadach O'Neall, the fourth year Quidditch Keeper. 14. @Miss Fallen as Jane Norie, a bored 7th year with a green thumb. 15. @Emperor Comatose as Garick Sashtri, excited to be here!!! 16. @The Unknown Medallion as Siannain O'hAodhes (Shannon O'Hughes), a seventh year star Quidditch beater who has yet to learn a single spell. 17. @Frozen Mint as Pali, a 6th year who loves a good duel and is too impulsive for her own good. · · ─ ·✶· ─ · · Built into the wall of the dungeon was a stone gargoyle with an empty basin below. Professor Snape was busy ramming an iron rod down its throat. “Water. Is an important part of the potion making process,” he told the class between plunges. “Unfortunately, our plumbing was designed by the same man who made the castle’s stairs.” Rease raised his hand. “Is it true that You-Know-Who is coming back?” “As your colleagues attending for remedial education could tell you,” Snape replied. “I have a strong distaste for fanciful questions. Forest, Leonidas, fetch some buckets from down the hall.” “What about the Death Eaters?“ “They remain in Azkaban.” “I heard Malfoy got away with it.” “Mister Malfoy was cleared of all charges.” “My friend Trance is missing.“ “The next one who speaks is going home!” “Professor, are we safe?” trembled Tom. Snape jammed his wand up the pipe. “Reducto!” Finally, liquid came pouring out of the gargoyle’s mouth: a crimson stream of blood. “Nobody move! I’ll be right back.” · · ─ ·✶· ─ · · Raw Votes Spoiler Quote Players 1st (+3) 2nd (+2) 3rd (+1) 3rd (-1) 2nd (-2) 1st (-3) Mist Doc12 Grass Qianweilian Coco Aman Araris Aman Araris Unknown Medallion Wahr Hopper Coco Doc12 Grass Mist Doc12 Miss Fallen Coco Araris Aman Coco Qianweilian Aman Doc12 Hopper Araris NONE Hopper NONE NONE NONE NONE NONE NONE Araris TJ Qianweilian Aman Unknown Medallion Wahr Coco Wahr NONE NONE Unknown Medallion Doc12 TwinStorm Araris TwinStorm Doc12 Mist Grass Aman Unknown Medallion Wahr Ink Wahr Frozen Mint Aman Hopper NONE Araris Doc12 Mist Aman TJ Coco Unknown Medallion Hopper Mippo TJ Mist Aman Wahr Ink Hopper Qianweilian Mist Doc12 Unknown Medallion Coco Wahr Aman TJ NONE Mist Mippo Araris Hopper NONE Miss Fallen NONE Doc12 Mist Ink Unknown Medallion NONE Emperor Comatose NONE NONE NONE NONE NONE NONE Unknown Medallion NONE NONE NONE Doc12 Araris Aman Frozen Mint Miss Fallen Mist Doc12 Aman Coco NONE Sum Points For (Potentially Adjusted) Quote Mist 18 Doc12 9 TJ 7 Qianweilian 6 Miss Fallen 4 Grass 3 Frozen Mint 2 Mippo 1 Emperor 0 TwinStorm -2 Ink -3 Unknown -3 Wahr -4 Aman -6 Hopper -11 Coco -11 Araris -13 Outcomes Extra Credit: Through the Living Mist(fallen) Owl Mail: Doc Friendship: TJ Homework: Hopper Detention: Coco Expulsion: Araris Through the Living Mist(fallen) was killed! They were a Loyal Student. · · ─ ·✶· ─ · · "You can't expel them for asking questions, Severus." "What, we need a pretense for the Ministry?" Dumbledore stroked his magnificent beard. "Maybe his name is incriminating? Is Tom Bombadil Donuts an anagram of anything?" They thought for a while. "I am blond butt's doom... That's pretty menacing." "Good enough for me!" Anagram courtesy of Araris, who was a Loyal Student. 6
Amanuensis he/him Posted March 29 Posted March 29 I tried to save you Araris but at least I know I can solve the game today
Amanuensis he/him Posted March 29 Posted March 29 2 minutes ago, Through The Living Grass said: loneliness… the elims are cruel indeed The good news is that Mist did not die in vain. It will take me a few hours to sift through the data, but I laid a few traps to skew their votes
Verdance he/him Posted March 29 Posted March 29 Just now, Amanuensis said: The good news is that Mist did not die in vain. It will take me a few hours to sift through the data, but I laid a few traps to skew their votes We lost a village spell on top of that though. Aaaaand I still don’t think I trust you.
Amanuensis he/him Posted March 29 Posted March 29 5 minutes ago, Through The Living Grass said: We lost a village spell on top of that though. Aaaaand I still don’t think I trust you. Yeah but that is the point haha. Elims absolutely +X voted Mist to make sure of it 14 minutes ago, Through The Living Grass said: We lost a village spell on top of that though. Aaaaand I still don’t think I trust you. Also idk man I did try to get them to move their NK by fake infighting with Mist
Qianweilian He/him Posted March 29 Posted March 29 40 minutes ago, Archer said: "You can't expel them for asking questions, Severus." "What, we need a pretense for the Ministry?" Dumbledore stroked his magnificent beard. "Maybe his name is incriminating? Is Tom Bombadil Donuts an anagram of anything?" They thought for a while. "I am blond butt's doom... That's pretty menacing." "Good enough for me!" Bro... Dumbledore's evil. Intensely interesting. However, I have to do the dishes. And then go to bed at a reasonable hour. (Slytherin will get this reference)
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted March 29 Posted March 29 Holy mega post incoming 7 hours ago, Qianweilian said: Siannain looks like he’s about to hit Leonidas really hard (in a not necessarily legal way) and Leonidas looks like he’s trying to poke out an eye. That's precisely what Siannain is about to do He only knows two spells *grunt* and *thump* 6 hours ago, Through the Living Mist said: I don’t see why making up reasons now vs making up reasons later changes anything. If they tell us now, they can make up reasons, if they tell us reasons later, they can make up reasons How is it different? Sure, we could use this to coordinate votes, but we don’t need to spell out our entire vote trees to do that. We can just all agree to put someone in our lowest slot This is just experience from previous hidden vote games. Justifying things just is easier after the fact. And you're more likely to catch a contradiction after the contradiction is made. And if they say something early on the cycle, they have to explain why they changed instead of being able to pretend they voted someone the whole time 6 hours ago, coco.pudding said: I would argue that sharing votes ahead of time makes it easier for the elims to manipulate the vote. Especially since we’re not sharing exact numbers. They could very easily vote for someone different/put more points than assumed on someone and completely throw off what we think the train will be. Yeah exactly. We can all agree on our lowest but I don’t think we should be doing too much more than that since that just makes it easier for the elims to throw things off. And since we’ll find out who everyone voted next cycle anyway it doesn’t matter all that much. They can do that anyways But actually, this might sound weird, but we kinda want the elims to manipulate the vote. It makes it much easier to find them. We give up one to two exes for an elim exe, we're still winning 4 hours ago, Amanuensis said: Maybe it's my communication skills, but I am not suggesting everyone lies about everything, as that would be chaos. Some people are arguing that it's anti-town to keep a public record of votes. This is a false premise based on this game behaving different than standard mafia. I personally find that line of thought as anti-Town and will continue to suspect it accordingly. In a normal game, everyone votes publicly, which benefits the Village. In this game, everyone votes privately, which benefits whoever uses the mechanic best. The question is what do we do? Keep votes secret? No, this leaves us uncoordinated. Don't specify exact values, just list of suspicions and who you are likely to vote for? This is great as it means nothing is set in stone until the flip, so if elims are anywhere within the top three, they will need to react accordingly. How about saying your explicit values, being honest about some, and lying about others? This gives elims a false sense of security. I have already telegraphed I am going to be a chaos gremlin, and I have also told my House the details of my plan that I am willing to let the elims know, but not specific details in hopes of catching a leak without compromising my entire plan. This means I can only do so much with my own votes. However, if other villagers can think of a way to make elims think you're putting a -3 on a leading train but are actually giving them a +3 and the other wagon you suspect more a -3, we have a chance to catch them piling votes to save the actual elim that dies. Especially since elims will often hop on the village consensus This is also a C1 with 17 players. We have the numbers advantage and are not in danger of losing today or anytime soon. There is room for us to experiment and innovate. Just imagine a scenario where the elims comfortably believe only three villagers are in danger, only for the next cycle to reveal that a bunch of villagers mislead them and ended up voting out an elim. If an elim is not already in danger but gets exed, it just about guarantees no bussing had occurred, giving us a bunch of soft clears. Use your imagination! Be bold! I agree with the bolded, and completely disagree with the italicized for previously stated reasons. Accountability, ineffectiveness, etc This is a common theme with Aman, not just this game, I'm pretty sure I have this feeling every time I play with him. I disagree with almost everything he says, but I don't really think it comes from an evil place/it's completely possible v!Aman does it Quote I am not suggesting everyone lies about everything, as that would be chaos. <snip> I have already telegraphed I am going to be a chaos gremlin, So instead of being just insane, you decided to be hypocritical and insane Spoiler I can't delete this 2 hours ago, coco.pudding said: You didn’t but that was the most obvious extrapolation from what you did say Anyway about to put in my votes, negatives going on Araris and Hopper for now. May add another later but probably not. I think this is a fair take away from what Aman said and don't particularly suspect Coco for it 2 hours ago, Through the Living Mist said: NK. From what I can tell, I am the single best target And I actually don’t think so, everything I have for why I’m the best target is still true, considering that This is an insane takeaway imo 25 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: I tried to save you Araris but at least I know I can solve the game today This is also an insane takeaway. My current opinion is that we just do the opposite of whatever Aman says next 5 minutes ago, Qianweilian said: Bro... Dumbledore's evil. Intensely interesting. However, I have to do the dishes. And then go to bed at a reasonable hour. (Slytherin will get this reference) Book accurate 2 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: Coco btw. Thought you were solving the game? 3
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