deep substrate foliated kalkite QF77: (S)Andor(son) Elimination

[Myst He/Him]

Voting me is fair, but I’d be willing to vote Kas with you, and yes, this is partly a way to get you to not vote me. Vote me if you want, though, if you want, I’ll make the first move.

Kas

I have slightly different reasons for voting him, but you do you.

[Furamirionind They/Any/All]

5 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

Honestly, I want to put a vote on either Hoid Slayer, Kasimir, and/or Lotus because at least one of the first two may be lying and Lotus has definitively lied to me. Anyone willing to join me on those?

Im not against any of those votes although Im not a fan of the world where Kas is lying about their message... although even if they are telling the truth they can still be evil. Hoid Slayer's was a bit weird.

What did Lotus lie to you about? Iirc it was just that they didn't get a message right? But then why tell Kas? @IHadAThought

I'll also say Lotus has been very defensive today...

Im for tying the vote. Will vote in my next big post when on computer.

[Myst He/Him]

2 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

Im not against any of those votes although Im not a fan of the world where Kas is lying about their message... although even if they are telling the truth they can still be evil. Hoid Slayer's was a bit weird.

What did Lotus lie to you about? Iirc it was just that they didn't get a message right? But then why tell Kas? @IHadAThought

I'll also say Lotus has been very defensive today...

Im for tying the vote. Will vote in my next big post when on computer.

I have been defensive, though partly because there was a lot of confusion regarding what I said. As for the lie, I did, I still don’t completely trust doc, and I didn’t earlier, but he’s got good points about Kas, so I’ll make the first move there. 

[Furamirionind They/Any/All]

Just now, IHadAThought said:

I have been defensive, though partly because there was a lot of confusion regarding what I said. As for the lie, I did, I still don’t completely trust doc, and I didn’t earlier, but he’s got good points about Kas, so I’ll make the first move there. 

You said you're voting Kas for different reasons. What are your reasons. It didn't sound like it was just to save yourself.

[Myst He/Him]

6 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

You said you're voting Kas for different reasons. What are your reasons. It didn't sound like it was just to save yourself.

Part it is that, definitely, but the reasons that I have that doc hasn’t said he has is because he keeps talking about the people we haven’t seen yet, which, will be something we need to worry about, there’s not much we can do about it, and I keep getting a sense of him pushing us away towards them to distract from himself. We know things about the people who have talked in here, and that’s what we have to go on, otherwise we’re just back to day one. Overall, Kas just seems to push all the attention away from himself towards people who haven’t been on to defend themselves. There’s also the reasons doc’s mentioned. That dead drop is suspicious… hopefully that makes sense

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

53 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

And now apparently Hoid Slayer's back even though he told me this morning he wasn't going to be  so he's obviously a liar and we should kill him. 

What can I say

I opened the Shard and I couldn't hold myself back 

Honestly I've probably been interacting more than I should, but, you know, I wanted to grace you guys with my presence at least a little bit 

54 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

I actually want to call out either Kas or Hoid Slayer for claiming to have messages that are different and can't be proven.

46 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

Hoid Slayer's was a bit weird.

All I've done is tell the truth.

Do with it what you will.

[TwinStorm He/Him]

Man I really don't know . . .

 rn I'm on set to be executed which is something we'd all like to avoid unless we want a rebel victory so . . .

Argenti

thoroughly confused by the thread but from what I can see I need to do this

sorry mate

[Ookla the Newt she/her]

4 hours ago, IHadAThought said:

I messaged all three for fun, I wanted to see what would happen

That was what that was about? Huh.

4 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Actually it's interesting to me there's a Newt overlap across both sets. I'm trying to think of what could motivate two separate Elims working together to do this.

That's... odd. Knowing that I'm not the one who sent it (and I'm not stupid enough to put my name as the overlap anyway if I had), why might someone want to raise suspicion about me? Or maybe just general FUD. 

3 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said:

My initial assumption was that the message could be elim bait, sent out by an ISB loyal to try to trick rebels into clicking it

That was my thought for the durasteel message, but only rebels can send messages. The level to which these seem like bait though...

3 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said:

As for the messages, I don't remember what the rules are for docs, but I'd assume the two people who sent the messages have established some form of direct contact, whether that be doc or PM - although it'd be interesting if they were coordinating this via Rebel anon messages, meaning they don't actually know who they're working with.

Again, that just sounds so coollllllllll

Very Andor-y

Ooooooh I want that to be what's happening now even though it'd make it so much harder for us to figure it out, so not really, but that sounds coollllll.

1 hour ago, Doc12 said:

IHAT lied to my face and got exposed,

Huh. That's... yeah that's indicative even though I'm inclined to trust him bc he outright claimed to be taking strategy from a flipped elim. So TwinStorm.
Lotus, any explanation?


 

Current vote count:

Twinstorm (1) Argenti
Ace (1) Kas
Kas (1) IHAT
Argenti (1) Twinstorm
IHAT (1) Booknewt

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Lowkey guys there's just something so freeing about deciding you're not gonna be active

There's no pressure to read through the entire thread, to spend hours analyzing every post, every attack, to debate and stay alive and fight tooth and nail to place the perfect vote, to sway the tide, to catch the elims and keep the village alive one day longer, only resting when you're completely bled out

You can just... exist

I feel like an observer 

[Ookla the Newt she/her]

Okay, I started looking through messages, and Divergent seemed oddly familiar for some reason. Then I realized something. I think he might be doing basically the same thing I did last game I played (it was my first game and I was an elim) - disguise your mistakes behind being a new player, and try to get random innocents voted out, try to blend into the background while being active, and stuff like that.

Disregarding D1 bc that could very easily be town stuff (the vote saving STINK), I'm going to lay out my reasoning.

He was first to jump on the Unknown train after TwinStorm (not in and of itself indicative obv, although could've been trying to jump on the train for someone he knew was innocent.

But then he claimed confusion about the same train a little bit later.
(I couldn't figure out how to direct quote the other thread unfortunately)

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I’m a bit confused with the three consecutive Unknown votes in quick succession too, but would prefer that over just throwing votes all over the place

 Again that isn't directly indicative, but inconsistencies aren't precisely innocuous either...

19 hours ago, Divergent said:

I think it’s probably close to impossible to read anything from the kill. Traditional game night kills are already hard to read as people could be killed for any reason: being trusted, having a particular role, diversion kill, random. With this game and the possibility that it could be as high as five different choices, it really limits anything that can be gleaned from it. I’m still confused by the Stink kill too.

Then he tried (and succeeded) in avoiding too close reads of the kill. For v!Divergent, that's just a standard observation, which very much is true, but for e!Divergent that's indicative he either knows who put the name in (unlikely for D2) or put the name in (likely if e!Dive)

I'll circle back to that in a bit.

5 hours ago, Divergent said:

I’m more suspicious of the fact that I see him [Argenti] on the thread more times than not when I’m posting, but he chooses not to engage at all. He did mention being busy, I think, but also he could have just answered some of the questions like why he voted for TwinStorm last day. So I’m quite confused by the slot because it could either be just a newer villager who’s overwhelmed by the game or a newer rebel who’s avoiding saying much in an effort to avoid giving themselves away

But wait, that would be impossible because the message was sent on Cycle 1 before it arrives on Cycle 2, so there’s not really an opportunity to coordinate yet. So either Argenti misremembered it or outright lied about it

(irrelevant info removed) Then there was a ton of Argenti suspicion but no actual vote. 

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 On 10/26/2025 at 2:27 PM, Divergent said:

I wrote a post and I think I accidentally clicked the hide option and I think it went to the void, so I’m rewriting it

Is there a precedent for it being six rebels? That feels like a lot of rebels in a 16 player game, but then again, I guess the mechanics/different win condition could make the ratio balanced

Also, I thought that if the rebels hit one of their own, then that player is exempted entirely from the reroll and all entries are removed. But I guess it’s possible I misunderstood it and it’s only the one entry that is removed and if there are repeats, then that person could still be hit again. So I too would like a clarification on that

We only had a brief conversation wherein I realized he shared a similar timezone with me and that it’s nice that this game has a rollover that’s unlike many others where it’s a time that we’re asleep and have less control over what happens. So I wanted to give him a chance to survive by a dice roll and I didn’t really find any of the reasons for voting him to be compelling

Experience bit:
I don't remember why I quoted divergent post, but I think while trying to determine the amount of elims, an experienced elim is not unlikely to not send a message to make everyone think there are less elims. 

I think Experience might've been onto something here - trying to figure out number of elims, while could easily be town, could also be elim. With other evidence, it's indicative. Could be possible kill motivation, bc it's subtle but if Experience came back to it it could start to expose Divergent.

So, Lotus, Divergent. Bc at the end of the day, I just don't see an elim, particularly a new one, claiming a strategy source from a flipped elim, but for the record I still want the lying explanation.

They could both be elims, but Divergent seems to be playing a deeper game if he is elim, so yeah going to vote for him. 

[Divergent He/Him]

5 hours ago, Booknewt said:

Honestly, the very fact that he's continuing to do that is what makes me hesitant on voting him. If I were an elim and something I was doing was very, very clearly making everyone suspicious, I'd try to change my behavior somewhat. At least I'd stay off the thread more. So v!Argenti almost makes more sense to me, although I can absolutely see e!Argenti.

 

He’s been more active now this cycle. In light of this, what do you make of that?

I read the thread and I’m understanding more what happened. 4 people received messages apparently. 3 had similar ones (Hoid, IHAT, Fura) and 1 had a different one (Kas). And then there’s confusion because two (IHAT, Fura) received a different variation of the one that Hoid received.

I’m thinking the most likely possibility to explain all this is 3 different senders. The one where 3 people got something similar must be from the Spymaster and a recruited Rebel because how else could they coordinate having the same message? At the same time though, timeline-wise, they would only have one cycle of an opportunity to recruit each other and I’m not sure what the likelihood of that happening. Then the other one could be a non-recruited Rebel.

But also another possible explanation is that somebody could be lying, but then again, why put yourself on the spotlight?

I am curious about the people mentioned in the message. Would the sender put themselves in there? And also, Booknewt being on both lists is interesting. Either that sort of softclears them (again, why put yourself on the spotlight?) or it’s the ultimate double bluff.

I could also see a world where everyone involved is innocent and it’s more an outsider causing all this chaos, so that there’s a lot of focus on all this confusion.

[Kasimir he/him]

Don't really gaf if I flip and am not changing my vote because I still haven't slept and can only therefore trust past me. 

Possibly sleep-addled thought but I wanted to get it out there:

I kind of want to think Hoid is Village on account of the way he's missed the dead drop ability but also equally distrust how both he and Doc are considering more complex variants that make me wonder if they have Elim fog-of-war.

It is possible their regular Village play is so gambity that it's their normal frame of reference. I just hesitate as I also am gambit happy but didn't immediately think of it.

After I flip Village, I advise exeing Doc over Hoid first. I don't really trust the insistence that one of us must be lying about unique messages because it reads to me like a para(noia) exe and I especially dislike chain exes. Like what do you do after I flip Village? Doesn't Doc's discomfort also call for flipping Hoid? We legit gonna go through both of us before deciding if the message is or isn't a lie? It feels like a chain misexe set-up and I don't trust it because of how it's anchored on a specific world with no consideration of what's probable or not.

Hoid seems V, if he's replaced Aet is presumably readable, don't sleepwalk into the Hoid exe.

No energy to figure wtf with Fura but my last read was V and I stand by it because tired. Goodnight all.

[Myst He/Him]

38 minutes ago, Booknewt said:

 

Huh. That's... yeah that's indicative even though I'm inclined to trust him bc he outright claimed to be taking strategy from a flipped elim. So TwinStorm.
Lotus, any explanation?

Again, I didn’t trust doc when I did that, which was at the beginning of today. I’m more open to trusting him now, as his reasoning makes more sense to me now, I still have some suspicion, but I’m willing to try, which is another reason I voted Kas. Not trusting me is understandable though, so vote me if you want. I am ISB though, and if you don’t believe, again, that’s fair, but if I get voted out you’ll see.  
It seems I took to long writing this though, as Booknewt already changed his vote : )

But I just didn’t trust doc when I said that. 

[Kasimir he/him]

Divergent

Screw it I can't think anymore but ACE is prolly gonna be filtered, you people just work around me. Goodnight for real.

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Hiya

It’s your friendly neighborhood observer state popping in quickly

First

8 minutes ago, Booknewt said:

Okay, I started looking through messages, and Divergent seemed oddly familiar for some reason. Then I realized something. I think he might be doing basically the same thing I did last game I played (it was my first game and I was an elim) - disguise your mistakes behind being a new player, and try to get random innocents voted out, try to blend into the background while being active, and stuff like that.

Disregarding D1 bc that could very easily be town stuff (the vote saving STINK), I'm going to lay out my reasoning.

He was first to jump on the Unknown train after TwinStorm (not in and of itself indicative obv, although could've been trying to jump on the train for someone he knew was innocent.

But then he claimed confusion about the same train a little bit later.
(I couldn't figure out how to direct quote the other thread unfortunately)

 Again that isn't directly indicative, but inconsistencies aren't precisely innocuous either...

Then he tried (and succeeded) in avoiding too close reads of the kill. For v!Divergent, that's just a standard observation, which very much is true, but for e!Divergent that's indicative he either knows who put the name in (unlikely for D2) or put the name in (likely if e!Dive)

I'll circle back to that in a bit.

(irrelevant info removed) Then there was a ton of Argenti suspicion but no actual vote. 

I think Experience might've been onto something here - trying to figure out number of elims, while could easily be town, could also be elim. With other evidence, it's indicative. Could be possible kill motivation, bc it's subtle but if Experience came back to it it could start to expose Divergent.

So, Lotus, Divergent. Bc at the end of the day, I just don't see an elim, particularly a new one, claiming a strategy source from a flipped elim, but for the record I still want the lying explanation.

They could both be elims, but Divergent seems to be playing a deeper game if he is elim, so yeah going to vote for him. 

Is Divergent a newbie? Cause if so I’d feel bad exeing him after just three days.

Food for thought.

6 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Hoid seems V, if he's replaced Aet is presumably readable, don't sleepwalk into the Hoid exe.

Actually, don’t think I’m gonna get replaced

Today’s been fun

I’d say don’t expect these activity levels from me to be consistent, but hey, you never know

Edit:

’Night Kas!

Go get that sleep you desperately need!

[Divergent He/Him]

12 minutes ago, Booknewt said:

Okay, I started looking through messages, and Divergent seemed oddly familiar for some reason. Then I realized something. I think he might be doing basically the same thing I did last game I played (it was my first game and I was an elim) - disguise your mistakes behind being a new player, and try to get random innocents voted out, try to blend into the background while being active, and stuff like that.

He was first to jump on the Unknown train after TwinStorm (not in and of itself indicative obv, although could've been trying to jump on the train for someone he knew was innocent.

But then he claimed confusion about the same train a little bit later.
(I couldn't figure out how to direct quote the other thread unfortunately)

 Again that isn't directly indicative, but inconsistencies aren't precisely innocuous either...

Then he tried (and succeeded) in avoiding too close reads of the kill. For v!Divergent, that's just a standard observation, which very much is true, but for e!Divergent that's indicative he either knows who put the name in (unlikely for D2) or put the name in (likely if e!Dive)

I think you’re projecting here. I did mention that my vote was temporary and while I was suspicious of him, I wanted to use it as a pressure vote to know more about his thoughts on the game. So it did feel weird to me that there were suddenly three votes that piled up after mine. One of it was yours, where you were sort of being self-aware of being a hypocrite.

Also, I stand by about what I said with reading anything from the kill being close to impossible. I say that because I host these games more often than I play and players target other players for so many reasons that it’s really difficult to have a guess on who the shooter was.

I think you’ve been a little all over the place and you’re just trying to get onto easy innocent pushes throughout this game.

Booknewt

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

5 hours ago, Kasimir said:

@DrakeMarshall:

Does sending the exact same message but with a different list of people to different recipients burn up more than one message?

That would be more than one distinct message.

[Furamirionind They/Any/All]

Ok I was trying to do more analysis but I'm a bit burnt out today. So I'll do a vote count:

Kasimir(1): Lotus
Argenti(2): Fura, TwinStorm
TwinStorm(1): Argenti
Divergent(2): BookNewt, Kas
BookNewt(1): Divergent

Previous vote counts didn't have my vote on Argenti.

This is making me a bit nervous, it'd be very easy for 1-2 votes to drastically change what's going on here

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Vote Tally

Argenti (2) - TwinStorm, Fura
Divergent (2) - Kas, Booknewt
Booknewt (1) - Divergent
Kas (1) - IHAT
TwinStorm (1) - Argenti

Huzzah it agrees, so it's probably right

Day's nearly over!

[Ookla the Newt she/her]

Anyone going to break the tie? I mean either way it prob lands on an elim, but still. 

[Myst He/Him]

Well, it seems like these are the votes, hopefully no one I like dies.

[Divergent He/Him]

I’m switching to Argenti

I feel suspicious of the sudden pile-up on myself and not really giving me the opportunity to say a defense. If I’m alive next cycle and anyone’s still suspicious of me, I’m open to answering any questions you may have. But for now, I’m voting to self-pres and Argenti’s within my current list of suspicious people.

[Ookla the Newt she/her]

2 minutes ago, Divergent said:

not really giving me the opportunity to say a defense.

you were absolutely given the opportunity to say a defense but okay, can't really blame you for self preserve vote

[Furamirionind They/Any/All]

Sorry Divergent if you're good. I'll explain everything next turn if im alive.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

alright alright that's the day

give me a minute to sort everything out