Wind and Truth Full Book Reactions (Cosmere Edition)

[Inevitability]

1 minute ago, KaladinWorldsinger said:

Why tho?

To hand him the answers without the context would not provide him with growth. Dalinar needed to experience those moments to get the understanding of not only Tanavast but also his own mistakes. It was that growth which enabled him to ascend to Honor

[Subvisual Haze]

Cultivation fleeing the system as fast as her legs/wings will carry her: "Just according to growth keikaku"

[Kardenal_13 he/him]

I liked the book alot. Can't really give it a number, I obviously finished it quite quickly, but it's probably my favorite first read (RoW wasn't one of my favorites on first read but it destroyed me and shot up the list during my reread this year preparing for the WaT). I think this is the first Sanderson book where there wasn't a single chapter I wanted to skip on my first read if that helps.

If I had to pick a favorite plot it would probably be Adolin's, for some reason his story just completely gripped me and refused to let go. I wish Maya had stuck around more but her return was amazing.

Szeth's (and Kaladin's) was a close second though I was more interested in the present once I (thought) I knew where his backstory was going (I did not). Nightblood finally, FINALLY, controlling his absorption of investiture was also amazing, I can't wait to read more about his POV. Also I like that Aux being 12124 is somewhat confirmed when he says his name (A=1, U=21, X=24). 

Sigzil's POV surprised me in that I had pretty low expectations when reading the first chapter but I quickly started loving him.

Dalinar's story was strange in that I always enjoyed reading it and learning more about the past but I never felt much pressure to keep reading his POV until the contest chapters, every time we left Todium and Dalinar I wanted to return. Taravangian's thoughts where definitely a highlight of the book, though I quickly realized there was no way he was going to die, he is just to good of an Antagonist to leave after getting so much power. I do like that in his final chapter he admits that Dalinar is right, though I wonder how truthful he is in saying that his "New Kharbranth" are actually the people. The fact that he seems to have changed their memories somewhat seems very suspicious to me.

Gavinor was obviously predicted by alot of people in advance but I didn't really care. Even if something is obviously going to happen I can still enjoy it and I think that he'll be an interesting character in the second half, especially if he maintains his friendship with Lift with the way they now parallel each other.

I loved Honor the power, him showing up and talking to Dalinar was probably one of my favorite moments. I do wonder about Nohadon and how he keeps showing up, especially since "The Power" tells Taravangian that Dalinar's Cognitive Shadow is claimed by something else. I couldn't really think of what it could be besides whatever Nohadon is.

 

I found the ending to be much more hopeful than I thought it would be, I was expecting a huge defeat for the heroes and this is that but I don't really think that it would have been better if they won which is probably the point if you listen to the final Chapters and Dalinar. I think the only thing that hurt about the ending was Jasnah believing she had completely failed and having her ideology broken. We have to wait so long to see her get better that it hurts more than it should I think.

Overall: As I said, I really liked it, maybe even loved it. Hopefully it stays high on my cosmere list but even if it doesn't this first read was amazing.

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Also I don't really know where to put this but what was up with the Mink? I loved his POV but it seemed like there should have been a second chapter or word about Herdaz that just never showed up.

Edited December 7, 2024 by Matt Snow

[Lizzardborn]

6 hours ago, Inevitability said:

-I think most of us wanted Shallan to be out in the greater cosmere. I sincerely hope she ships out as a worldhopper rather than stick around

She is pregnant. So I doubt there will be much hopping at least until books 8

All in all acceptable book. Too much therapy for my taste. I would classify it a s pyrrhic victory for team Honor.

Edited December 7, 2024 by Lizzardborn

[IcaroRibeiro he/him]

I really, really liked the book. I’m wondering if it’s my favorite or if I still prefer Words of Radiance. I understand the complaints about the lack of setting, but I can’t help thinking there wasn’t much room for it in this book specifically, as it was meant to be a big climax. The resolution was bold, and I fully bought how each arc concluded. Here are my thoughts on the arcs:

- Azir (Adolin) - C Tier
I love Adolin, but if I had to pick an arc and say, “This was the weakest,” it’s clearly Azir. Ultimately, it was an important arc, as Azir is now the last bastion of light in Roshar, which Brandon emphasized beautifully in the final chapter. Adolin grew a lot as a character, as did his bond with Maya. Yanagawn is also developing into the best monarch—and a skilled fighter too. So, with compelling character development and a strong conclusion, what went wrong? It was repetitive. You could cut out half of the plotlines, and nothing significant would change. From a reader's perspective, it just wasn’t as engaging. Every time an Adolin chapter came up, I found myself thinking, “Can I just get back to the other plotlines?”

- Thaylen City (Jasnah) - B Tier
Now, imagine taking all the interesting character development from Azir’s arc, along with the great ending, but trimming away the unnecessary chapters. That’s Jasnah’s plotline for you. It was heartbreaking to see Jasnah so defeated and at her lowest point. The arc brilliantly showcased her intelligence and capability, while also reminding us that she’s human, bound by flaws in her morality and philosophy. I definitely didn’t see all the plot twists coming, and their ultimate defeat was soul-crushing. Humanity has now lost access to the sea, leaving them isolated.

- Shattered Plains (Venli and Sigzil) - A Tier
Venli finally had some agency—more than in her own book. Sanderson faced a significant dilemma here: would the Listeners, after years of war and abuse, be turned into subservients to mankind? He made the bold and commendable choice of keeping them as an independent force. I wish we’d seen more exploration of Willshaper powers, and I would have loved for Venli to make progress toward another Oath. However, I really liked how her arc concluded. The Listeners deserve peace, and their newfound role as protectors of a Shardpool ties them into what will be a key storyline in the next six books. The addition of the Chasmfiends was one of the best pieces of lore in the book, adding to the "high fantasy" feel of the arc. 

Sigzil’s part was somewhat less compelling, as it primarily focused on fights. That said, Radiant battles are always exciting, especially with the introduction of a new type of Fused and some Stonewards joining the fray! Sigzil has always been my favorite Bridge Four member, so seeing him take center stage as a main character was incredibly rewarding.

K C U F Moash

- Mishiram's Quest (Shallan, Renarin and Rlain) - B Tier

This plotline was a mixed bag. The lack of descriptive detail about the setting hurt it the most. At times, it was hard to understand what the characters were experiencing or seeing. Too many pages were dedicated to following this trio through events that mirrored things Dalinar and Navani had already witnessed, making some chapters feel redundant.

The character development for Renarin and Rlain was good. Their mutual recognition of their feelings for each other and the way their sexuality shaped their self-perceptions were beautifully handled. Their romance felt deeply significant, symbolizing the potential for Singers and humans to coexist. The parallels drawn between them and Gorethil and his Singer lover were especially touching. While I feel some of their romantic arc could have been explored earlier in Book 4 to free up space in this book, this critique is more about Sanderson’s pacing as a whole than a specific flaw in this story. I absolutely loved seeing Renarin become more imposing and assertive after his father’s passing. He’s growing into a powerful and confident character, and I’m excited to see him take on a larger role in future books.

However, Shallan’s ongoing conflict with the Ghostbloods felt underwhelming. Mraize and Iyatil simply don’t feel like threats to Shallan, who has consistently come across as far more powerful and capable than either of them could ever hope to be. Despite this, Shallan’s personal arc still worked for me. Her ability to hold her mother accountable for trying to murder her as a child, while still choosing to forgive, was one of the most powerful moments in the book. Her conclusion, lost and trapped in Shadesmar and separated from Adolin, was heart-wrenching. I was hoping for her to embrace a new role as a worldhopper, but even that now seems unlikely

 - Spritual Realm Visions (Dalinar, Navani and... Tanavast!) - A Tier

RIP Dalinar. You’ve been my favorite character throughout, and you’ll be remembered. What a phenomenal end to his arc.

I almost gave this an S Tier... but then I remembered Gavinor and his cringeworthy, distracting, and utterly annoying interactions with the Bondsmiths. Sigh. I genuinely wish Gav had gone missing completely and that neither Dalinar nor Navani had been aware of him until the final confrontation.

That aside, this was hands down my favorite plotline in the book. Finally uncovering what truly happened in the distant past, especially with the Heralds, was both satisfying and relieving. I’d been worried that some of these mysteries wouldn’t be revealed in the first five books. It was an incredible opportunity to portray the Heralds as the tragic heroes they are—people who gave everything they had, enduring unimaginable suffering, all while serving a Heartless God who cared only about maintaining oaths, with no regard for their pain. Tanavast’s chapters featured some of my favorite writing in the entire series, especially his retelling of how the Shards arrived and what happened to the Dawnsingers. I understand why some readers felt Dalinar’s ultimate decision mirrored "The Hero of Ages" too closely, but honestly? I thought it was incredible. It felt like the perfect setup for the cosmere-wide war that’s brewing in the next five books, and I couldn’t be more excited.

- Shinovar Cleanising (Szeth, Kaladin, Syl and... Nale!) - B Tier

The best aspect of this arc is undoubtedly the character development. Szeth has emerged as one of Sanderson's most tragic and compelling characters, and he’s now among my favorites. His growing friendship with Kaladin felt organic and moving, particularly in the way Kaladin comes to understand that Szeth is not a warrior by nature, but rather a child robbed of his home and forced into a life of killing against his will. It’s beautifully written and incredibly poignant. However, I can’t ignore the issues with this arc.

First, the need to fight every Honorbearermade the progression of events feel both overly predictable and reminiscent of a video game quest, where you face "bosses" to collect their weapons; Second, the lore surrounding the Wind, Stone, and Night felt rushed and underdeveloped. For a writer like Brandon, who usually excels at foreshadowing and gradual worldbuilding, this sudden info-dump felt uncharacteristically forced, as if it were a last-resort addition to tie things together.

That said, Kaladin’s journey took an intriguing turn. His rise to becoming a Herald and then offering therapy to the other Heralds was definitely not on my bingo card, but it was a fascinating development.

Flashbacks (Szeth) - S Tier
My favorite flashbacks in the entire series. No further comments are needed.

Interludes (Mainly Taravangian) - A Tier
After two books of lackluster interludes, we’re finally back to form. It was immensely satisfying to see so many minor characters from books 1 and 2 finally receive their resolutions. Among these, Rysn’s interlude stands out—her new role as a Dawnshard leaves me incredibly curious about what she will do next. The Iriali interlude was another highlight for me. They are such a fascinating and enigmatic people, and I really hope we see more of them in future Cosmere novels.

And then there’s the main event: Taravangian. As Odium, he’s my favorite Sanderson villain to date. Rayse always felt pathetic and petty, but Taravangian? He’s absolutely terrifying. The chapter where he sacrifices his own home city to prove a point to Cultivation is seared into my memory. It’s chilling, brutal, and a perfect display of the kind of cold, calculated cruelty that makes him such a compelling antagonist.

Edited December 7, 2024 by IcaroRibeiro

[IcaroRibeiro he/him]

The Good

• Character Development, good in all arcs
• Resolution of Arcs, really loved every single of them
• Cosmere and Lore Expansion
• High-Stakes Drama!
• Improved Interludes and Flashbacks

The Mixed

• Lack of Foreshadowing for Ancient Spren
• Structure, sometimes that are too much POV interruptions in the chapters
• Weak Villains in Shinovar and Mishram's arc
• Unnecessary povs on Mishiram's Arc
• Setting, good in Shinovar, acceptable in Azir, terrible on Spiritual realm

The Bad

• Predictable and "game-like" Structure in Shinovar arc
• Repetitive chapters in Shattered Plains and Azir
• Gavinor’s role

 

[timeimp]

Can we discuss Sigzil for a second ? 
 

Is there a discrepancy between what we see here and Sunlit Man ? 
 

It’s implied in Sunlit that Sig had armor from his Windrunner days AND his Skybreaker days. 

“The air broke around him—the fragments of his ancient armor trying to push into reality again. Some from his first oaths, some from his second. Either way, it was the absolute wrong time for them to be doing that.”

 

He doesn’t summon armor or swear the 4th ideal in WaT. There were PLENTY of situations during the Shattered Plains sequence that he’d understand and swear the fourth ideal but didn’t? 
 

He renounced his Windrunner oaths and lost his bond there, we knew that was going to happen. He meets Aux at the end, we knew that. 
 

Did I miss something ? I’m starting a relisten next week. 

[IcaroRibeiro he/him]

4 minutes ago, timeimp said:

Can we discuss Sigzil for a second ? 
 

Is there a discrepancy between what we see here and Sunlit Man ? 
 

It’s implied in Sunlit that Sig had armor from his Windrunner days AND his Skybreaker days. 

“The air broke around him—the fragments of his ancient armor trying to push into reality again. Some from his first oaths, some from his second. Either way, it was the absolute wrong time for them to be doing that.”

 

He doesn’t summon armor or swear the 4th ideal in WaT. There were PLENTY of situations during the Shattered Plains sequence that he’d understand and swear the fourth ideal but didn’t? 
 

He renounced his Windrunner oaths and lost his bond there, we knew that was going to happen. He meets Aux at the end, we knew that. 
 

Did I miss something ? I’m starting a relisten next week. 

Stormlight Archive didn't end, Sunlit Man is far in the future, he may come back in the book 6

[+Oltux72 he/him]

Ending a two day reading binge.

I found this an odd book in a good sense.
Large parts of the book did not really have much of a plot, respectively their plot did not matter. And this book is highly philosophical. In fact, it reminds me of Starship Trooper in a very abstract sense. Parts of the book read like a treatise against utilitarianism.

I am happy that Brandon had the courage to let Odium win. I could have lived without a child champion. In fact for a fleeting few seconds I was convinced that we were really seeing Elhokar. This is really the end of an era.

[IcaroRibeiro he/him]

A minor deception

We have seen very few from Vedel and Batar, and even less of Pralla. Even Chana who is Shallan mother... I thought we were going to get more of her when Shallan was a kid 

I think Sanderson really neglected her female Heralds on this first 5 books, hopefully we will see more of them in the next 5

Also, anyone else think Aesudan plotline was kinda... forgotten? For Axindweth I think it's a matter of time for her to reapper but Aesudan I really felt  as a abandoned plot thread, I thought she was member of some bigger conspiration 

[the_archduke]

Storm Moash

 

Adolin in Azimir was awesome.  The Unoathed are a fascinating way to complete Adolins arc.

 

Venli and the Listeners was super boring.  Wanted to skip most of the time. 

 

So no unmade in Shinovar.  Does that mean we never saw Chemoarish?

 

Jasnah getting out utilitarianed by Taravangian was nice.  Jasnah needing to rethink her philosophy was overdue. 

 

 

 

Edited December 8, 2024 by the_archduke

[Soccorro]

“someone at the end of Wind and Truth made the opposite decision. It's not magical where I'm like "oh the character is alive", no, it's just that who I wrote them to be and how the themes of the plot progressed I realized that at that point they can't make this decision. And so I rewrote their part and revised it to have the opposite decision get made. Once Wind and Truth is out I can tell you what that is. But you will have to read it and see if you can guess who, in the outline, was making a very different decision.”

I think in the original version of the book Dalinar ended up being Honor, but then Brandon decided to kill him off and write HoA rip-off instead. Just my theory, but I can’t imagine anyone else who could make a different decision.

[faireytayl]

24 minutes ago, Soccorro said:

“someone at the end of Wind and Truth made the opposite decision. It's not magical where I'm like "oh the character is alive", no, it's just that who I wrote them to be and how the themes of the plot progressed I realized that at that point they can't make this decision. And so I rewrote their part and revised it to have the opposite decision get made. Once Wind and Truth is out I can tell you what that is. But you will have to read it and see if you can guess who, in the outline, was making a very different decision.”

I think in the original version of the book Dalinar ended up being Honor, but then Brandon decided to kill him off and write HoA rip-off instead. Just my theory, but I can’t imagine anyone else who could make a different decision.

 I feel like Retribution forming and leaving roshar was probably always planned as well as there being no stormlight on Roshar so I don't think that will be it. Will be interesting to have this confirmed though

[+Crossen]

2 hours ago, IcaroRibeiro said:

A minor deception

We have seen very few from Vedel and Batar, and even less of Pralla. Even Chana who is Shallan mother... I thought we were going to get more of her when Shallan was a kid 

I think Sanderson really neglected her female Heralds on this first 5 books, hopefully we will see more of them in the next 5

Also, anyone else think Aesudan plotline was kinda... forgotten? For Axindweth I think it's a matter of time for her to reapper but Aesudan I really felt  as a abandoned plot thread, I thought she was member of some bigger conspiration 

Same for Aesudan. I have posted about her before being a Herald, but now I think that that is highly unlikely since Dalinar and Navani would have recognized her in the visions. I do still think that she was a part of one of the conspiracy groups, however (especially with young Gav mentioning than Battar would visit Aesudan in Kolinar).

[yulerule]

Okay, at 10:10 I'm done with the entire book. It was definitely a constant Sanderlaunche. You can tell by the frequent POV switches, though it managed to intensify by the end. 

 

Some thoughts, quotes, as I was reading:

 

 

 Stormstriders, enormous spren with long imbs.

 

How many moons does Roshar have?

 

 

Stones. They really had a bad sense of time. 

giggling a little at this.

 

 

 

This is Roshar. Nothing merely is. Everything thinks. Everything has a choice. Watch. As humans choose.

 

This. This encapsulates Roshar so well.

 

 

Can Aluminum be Soulcast?

 

 

giggling mess of self-aware Investiture egging her on

 

 

Like the background and history was surprising, so is the end of Szeth's. I ... hadn't been expecting him to foment a civil war.

 

 

And I’ll do it. If you tell me.”

 

That's horrifying. Szeth has always listened and respected Neutro. They weaponized his father against him. That's why he was so slavishly obedient to the Oath Stone, isn't it. If his father suggested it, he would and did follow it the ends of the Earth /s Roshar.

 

there is a world out there with an ocean in the sky? Another where people fly upon kites, as if every man were a Windrunner. Yet another where the gods can make any object stand up and walk?

 

Dalinar Kholin is both champions.”

 

I'm now in a constant state of low key inner screaming 

 

 

 

This whole book is about family, isn't it. Sons confronting their fathers, or Soren their creators, or children dealing with their flaws parents 

 

 

 

I wonder how horrified Zahel would be if he learned that Night blood was carried in a quiver with other Honor blades and learned from them?

 

I mean. He just became infinitely more dangerous if he learned ALL the lashes. This. 

 

 

FINISHED THE BOOK

Still in a state of content low key screaming

 

Ok, so Wit is impressed by what Dalinar did: Creating Retribution that all the other Shards will have to fight. But Dalinar did more than that. He created a fifth column. The power of Honor itself is more self-aware than any of the other powers of the Shards, and he told it to learn.

 

 

Yes, it has a vessel now, but Dalinar rejected Honor for being too focused on oaths, and not the people, and he basically sent it off to learn. So maybe it chose Taravangian temporarily.

 

And I want to know more about Nahadon and if he secretly lives in the Spiritual Realm or something

 

 

 

What happened to Tanavast's soul? Did he go beyond when Honor died ?

Did the Stormfather go Beyond when Retribution killed him?

[Heilven he/him]

This book was very interesting to me in how it manages to both wrap up arc 1 while setting up arc 2. I've seen a lot of complaints about things that Sanderson didn't develop enough or seemed to come out of nowhere, but I think that is mostly set up for arc 2. We got hints about the origins of the natan people, and a good look at the old magic. Ba-Ado-Mishram is clearly a player who will be important in arc 2, but she already played a major role in unlocking honor and starting the repair of the deadeyed spren.

Personally, I think that this book did a fantastic job at providing us with more questions than answers, while still giving us plenty of answers. 

[Hulaine]

16 hours ago, eriwancoselyn said:

 for me, it's not just the shard merger that makes it like hero of ages. I totally get that there are a lot of shard merges in our future. 

it's more the whole bait and switch of the thing. the person predicted to take the power ends up heroically surrendering it to ultimately do more good.it feels like such an echo of hero of ages that I can't help but compare the two. 

it's just that there are a million different ways to write someone taking a shard. there's no need to redo something you already did great in another book.

 

I don't really see them as the same - one is your classic, Vin/Elend sacrifice, where Vin kinda picked up the power by mistake into prophesied bait and switch with a new person picking up both shards; one and done (ignoring potential Discord theories)

Whereas this is Dalinar picking it up intentionally, then letting his side lose to play a bigger game - not to mention that Odium only has most of honour, not all.

Basically, in Mistborn the end result was to win, here the end was the best scenario for the cosmere but clearly a short term loss. 

Also the end result of the merge is different - Ruin/Pres are in full contrast with each other so Sazed is limited, Honour/Odium CAN agree on at least some goals so Taravangian can act using both together. 

Also also, actual shard/power of honour with sentience riding around with the vessel and intending to learn stuff at Dalinars urging, definitely novel!

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Overall, l'm thinking 7/10 for now but need to stew on it!

The blue haired girl in Kalaks PoV was Syl, right? So she's still with Kal and he's still a 5th ideal Radiant Herald (on a stormlight-less planet)?

Edited December 8, 2024 by Hulaine

[Ewery1]

18 hours ago, Inevitability said:

I genuinely hope this is the direction this is going 

The fourth moon implying a fourth Shard in the system was also my reaction - it’s gotta be Valor, right? She was mentioned as being hidden SO many times this book.

Edited December 8, 2024 by Ewery1

[Frogs he/him]

I definitely enjoyed the book, but it didn’t really hit. Maybe I read it too quickly. It was so much information that I read in basically 3 days, so even having just finished I feel like there’s a lot I don’t remember. I’ll probably have to go back and reread slower or maybe listen to it. WoK and WoR are just untouchable tho.

I'm pretty satisfied with the ending and I’m excited to see what comes next, in the cosmere and on Roshar. Kinda worried about Dova tho lol.

[+Oltux72 he/him]

3 hours ago, Ewery1 said:

The fourth moon implying a fourth Shard in the system was also my reaction - it’s gotta be Valor, right? She was mentioned as being hidden SO many times this book.

Yes, but the hiding must have been very recent, as Harmony talked to her without problems as recently as whenever he wrote his answer to Hoid.

1 hour ago, Frogs said:

I definitely enjoyed the book, but it didn’t really hit. Maybe I read it too quickly.

Much of it was protagonists observing things. Another part was basically a debating club. Given the subject matter it was surprisingly captivating. But still this book was in many regards a treatise on philosophy, politics and strategy. An honest subtitle would have been "contra utilitarismum". Another part was a mixture of a practical test set by a demented superhero and a lot of talk about, again, at the end of the day philosophy.

[MarcieIsForager She/They]

20 hours ago, KaladinWorldsinger said:

Why tho?

Possibly because Kor spent so much time actively not partifcipating in God business, she mightve just missed the exact events and so sent Dalinar in for details she wasnt sure of.

[Brgst13]

10 hours ago, Soccorro said:

“someone at the end of Wind and Truth made the opposite decision. It's not magical where I'm like "oh the character is alive", no, it's just that who I wrote them to be and how the themes of the plot progressed I realized that at that point they can't make this decision. And so I rewrote their part and revised it to have the opposite decision get made. Once Wind and Truth is out I can tell you what that is. But you will have to read it and see if you can guess who, in the outline, was making a very different decision.”

I think in the original version of the book Dalinar ended up being Honor, but then Brandon decided to kill him off and write HoA rip-off instead. Just my theory, but I can’t imagine anyone else who could make a different decision.

I thought this was Szeth.  My thought was that he became a Herald rather than Kaladin; I did not expect Kaladin to live.

[+Child of Hodor]

In Hero of Ages Vin chose to do the Shard combat determined to kill Ati which she did and died in the process. Dalinar did the opposite thing, not to try and kill Taravangian and let him win for now. Then instead of (part of) the planet being transformed into an idyllic ecosystem the planet gets worse.

If he’s cribbing from Hero of Ages he’s looking at that and doing the inverse. 

[IcaroRibeiro he/him]

I can see similarities with Hero of Ages, but also different implications both practically and philosophically

In Hero of Ages humanity essentially wins, but at a great cost as Vin didn't know what to do with Preservation power essentially putting Scadrial in the verge of extinction (Well the Planet was going to be destroyed anyway, Ruin wanted everything destroyed)

Until Sazed pick up the Shards and correct the broken world, essentially a fresh start. So it's a bitter victory over a destroyed, but now fixed, land 

 

 

Here humanity actually survived and while Roshar is now facing the Everstorm the planet is largely unscattered, though without Stormlight I have no idea on how things will work for humans and singers

Humanity and Singers are both subservient to Retribution, essentially their new God. We can't say humanity lost either, most of human kingdoms decided to follow Odium willingly, so I believe they will receive okay-ish treatment instead of being slaves under Singer dominion. Well, except Alethkar... 

It's definitely a lose for the Heroes though, they are all scattered and hopeless...

Anyone else feel like Jasnah is going to be in the second half something akin to what Dalinar was here?

I saw the parallel in the moment Taravangian said she's one of the two humans he actually respects (the other being Dalinar). Taravangian also started pulling his strings to tempt Jasnah like he did with Dalinar, he easily see her as a his future puppet 

[boonboon]

I wish I had stopped reading after TWoK/WoR. OB killed SA and my trust in BS, WaT burned the corpses.
Adolin's full arc and the love triangle are genuinely the worst things I've ever read. Half the scenes seem like they should be important, but they never amount to anything.