MarcieIsForager

Tbh i was kinda going between the two the reason i didnt think Valor was, whatever Nohadon was it was more subtle than i kinda expect Valor to be to encouragr Dalinar to bravery. And did more of Hoid thing of kinda getting Dalinar toward the right questions and answers which seems like more of a Reason rather than Valor thing to do but im guessing it wrong.

This just occured to me reskimming chapters could Nohadon be the Vessel of Reason hidden on Roshar the 4th Moon. Hence why Dalinars soul belonged to another.

Possibly because Kor spent so much time actively not partifcipating in God business, she mightve just missed the exact events and so sent Dalinar in for details she wasnt sure of.

El talks like super familiarly of the herald, which kinda leads me to believe hes one of the dawnsingers around for the human conquest. I think he might have written the Eila Stele

Do we know how old Hoid actually is, cause even like a spren of Adonalsium calls him "the ancient one"

This kinda opens up a cool question, do we think theres multiple colors of inkspren

Just curious is there WOB on this ive heard the thing about the Heralds more than once

Tbh i think this might be where the Death-Rattle: Would come to apply, i think Kaladin next to Dalinar might be closest character to Honor left to be able to decide a champion. Iirc Kaladin would also have the Letter of succession which i think is notarized too

Ah no its not that specifically its that the Eila Stele mentioned powers "of spren and Surges", i took that to mean that by the time the Eila Stele had been written that humans had managed to figure out Rosharan Surgebinding. So maybe this also has to do with how i read the Eila Stele because i honestly didn't read the first sentence as a history of humans, i read it as like a foreboding description, like "they are off-worlders and figured out rosharan-surgebinding which was forbidden from us" rather than "they are off-worlders that came here by Ashinite Surgebinding, which has been forbidden from us" Which then kind of messed up my internal timeline because it would mean the Honorblades predate the first cycle of Desolations. Mostly because i assume the Eila Stele is a Pre-Desolation writing.

So i kinda toyed with timelines and Rosharan history these past few days and something stuck out to me again. So theres a WOB saying the Heralds are the ages they appear as, and are all originally Ashynian. Which would mean the Heralds wouldve come about pretty much just after humanities arrival on Roshar. But before the Eila Stele was written, the Eila Stele speaks of what i interpret to be Spren-Surgebinding "of Surges and Spren" rather than Ashynian Surgebinding. And Rosharan Surgebinding was essentially Spren imitating the Honorblades. If Heralds in that case predate the conquering of Roshar by humans, they would also predate the Fused which could mean two things They received the Honorblades seperately from the Oathpact, or the Oathpact was originally different. The Stormfather spoke about breaking the Heralds if that was Tanavast poking through could it be forcing the Heralds into a role they didn't want during the initial conquest of Roshar.

When i made a timeline for theorizing i guessed 8000 years pre present, cause Taravodium said something about 8000 years. I assume might be when they got to Roshar

Hey do you by chance have the citation on it being the false desolation i dont have the book with me rn i just went off the coppermind article on relador that just used the word "desolations" with that i tbh just assumed that meant desolations proper and not just the false desolation. And tbf on the point of radiant noticing the change only prior to the recreance, Leras also took super long to like fully unravel so it wouldn't be weird for him to only show fraying millenia after the event. His death-event then by my estimation wouldve happened some 4500 - 5000 years ago and the actual death at the recreance or just after. I wouldn't be suprised if he managed to hold out those 2500 years and only full frayed just at the recreance. Leras death was also kind of exponential. A lot of centuries of minor unravels and then a few years of completely fraying. I think its in line with long shard death

So i just followed a thought tangent and got some really weird results. This is based partially on revelations by the sibling. It started out with me trying to place Nohadons lifetime cause i really liked the theory of Nohadon being the cognitive shadow in the SF and not Tanavast so i layed out the timeline as i understand it and there some really interesting stuff in there. So first off Honors death preparations must have happened before Aharietiam not just before the Recreance Cause Syls Radiant actually fought in the desolations. This could also add to the Stormfather saying he broke the Heralds cause by guess he wouldve been around close to his current form from likely before Aherietiam. And mightve played a part in the Heralds abondoning the Oathpact. Then at least some of the herals had to have been ageless prior to becoming Heralds Ishar was probably a dawnshard i would guess. Then if Nohadon actually lived (my guess is it would be some centuries after the siblings birth) to see thunderclasts during his lifetime (Dalinars extra vision), the singer souls must have fully deteriorated in a span of some millenium and a half i guess: This would mean Odium arriving with Human 7500 years ago -> Humans conquer all of roshar (i gave that some 500 years but it couldve been quicker) -> sibling is born 6000 years ago -> again i guessed 500 year gap for urithiru to gain the notoriety it has and also place Nohadons lifetime somewhere around there. Im sure i missed a lot of implications if someone with a bit more time on their hand could look over the timeline and add thing this could be really interesting cause im pretty sure the timeline we got now is mostly wrong or at least doesn't add up at all

The accelaration isnt the problem its mass and im like semi sure there no at least known way rn to fully negate mass unless you possible storm with connection enough to achieve negative mass.

Hey is it just me or was did Rushus interaction with the Sibling read in any way like Brandon actually confirming Rushu as Non-Binary