Wind and Truth Full Book Reactions (Cosmere Edition)

[christianrapper]

Full Stormlight spoilers…Here are my feelings about this book. If you respond please don’t just ignore all the POSITIVE things that I mention and focus on the negative things. I also want to know if you enjoyed the things that I liked. For starters I loved Kal’s and Szeth’s character moments. They are definitely along with Adolin the baddest human fighters on the planet. Adolin got some great character moments. That new unoathed development is pretty interesting. I loved Adolin’s story line…except for the loss of his foot. 
This book was just  attack of the side characters to me. Sanderson sent every main character except Adolin on a side quest. I would have much rather seen Szeth and Kal fight in the main battles instead of going on a road trip during a fight for the fate of the whole freaking world. I don’t want to hear crap about either of their trauma. We saw both of them fight when they had to in book 5. They could have easily done that on the battlefield for the fate of this world and all of the other worlds in the Cosmere. 
 Imo Dalinar, Navani, Shallan, and the rest of the spiritual realm crew were wasted. Dalinar learned absolutely nothing to help him fight Odium. It was kool finally learning what actually happened, but a lot of that we already knew. The only thing that we learned was that Honor betrayed Ba Ado Mishrak. How was that supposed to help him fight Odium? Also, Hoid could have just told him everything instead of sending him to the spiritual realm. That side quest led directly to Odium winning. Their absence just gave Taravangian time to make deals with all of their allies and flip them. It also crippled their armies because of lack of stormlight. Even if Dalinar had found a way to win without killing Gav, Odium still would have basically won because he controlled 90% of the world. Oh yeah, let’s not forget all the wind runners leaving Mraize and company instead of just leaving some behind to watch them. The explanation given for that was insufficient. The wind runners were made to look pretty dumb at times. They acted way out of character. Then there’s Dalinar sending his air troops away when the fate of the world is at stake. All Dalinar did was make Todium twice as powerful. It’s literally stated in the books that the only reason that the other shards ignored Odium is because he was trapped on Roshar. Dalinar could have just released Odium from the beginning. It seems like that was the best choice from the beginning.
 So what was Todium going to do if Gav hadn’t sneaked in behind Lift? It seemed like he had no plans for a champion. Todium didn’t really out smart anyone. They beat themselves. All of their best fighters and most powerful people were sent away from the battlefield. Todium had absolutely nothing to do with any of those decisions. He also had jack to do with Gav winding up in the spiritual realm. 
However, I did love the humor in this book. Everyone got some good jokes in. 
Szeth “a spoon” had me crying. I loved how Szeth’s family initially had his back. They stood 10 toes down with him. It was kool that Szet’s sister was able to defy Ishar and restrain herself from killing him. I just didn’t like his father’s or sister’s ending. 
This was definitely the funniest book that I read in the Cosmere. Almost everyone got some great lines in. Szeth “a spoon?” during that fight in shadesmar had me crying. Ishar “yeah, I wrote it” was hilarious. Sanderson actually gave the community some fan service. He put in the one joke that the fandom has been joking about for years. He gave Shallon a cheering section after an intimate moment. Lol. “Shallan!” “Shallan!” There were a lot more lines that had me laughing out loud, too. I am going to have to go back and reread them. 
I can’t wait to see what happens to Adolin and the unoathed. I am wondering what is going to happen with Vasher. I also can’t wait to see what happens with Lift. I am still deciding how I feel about this book, but I will definitely keep on reading this series.

Edited December 19, 2024 by christianrapper

[Lacra Maldita]

1 hour ago, christianrapper said:

Spoilers completos de El Archivo de las Tormentas... Aquí están mis sentimientos sobre este libro. Si respondes, por favor no ignores todas las cosas POSITIVAS que menciono y concéntrate en las cosas negativas. También quiero saber si disfrutaste las cosas que me gustaron a mí. Para empezar, me encantaron los momentos de los personajes de Kal y Szeth. Definitivamente son junto con Adolin los luchadores humanos más malos del planeta. Adolin tiene algunos momentos de personaje geniales. Ese nuevo desarrollo sin juramento es bastante interesante. Me encantó la historia de Adolin... excepto por la pérdida de su pie. 
Este libro fue solo un ataque a los personajes secundarios para mí. Sanderson envió a todos los personajes principales excepto Adolin en una misión secundaria. Hubiera preferido ver a Szeth y Kal pelear en las batallas principales en lugar de emprender un viaje por carretera durante una pelea por el destino de todo el maldito mundo. No quiero escuchar tonterías sobre el trauma de ninguno de los dos. Vimos a ambos pelear cuando tenían que hacerlo en el libro 5. Fácilmente podrían haberlo hecho en el campo de batalla por el destino de este mundo y todos los demás mundos del Cosmere. 
 Imo Dalinar, Navani, Shallan y el resto de la tripulación del reino espiritual fueron desperdiciados. Dalinar no aprendió absolutamente nada que lo ayudara a luchar contra Odium. Fue genial finalmente aprender lo que realmente sucedió, pero mucho de eso ya lo sabíamos. Lo único que supimos fue que Honor traicionó a Ba Ado Mishrak. ¿Cómo se suponía que eso lo ayudaría a luchar contra Odium? Además, Hoid podría haberle contado todo en lugar de enviarlo al reino espiritual. Esa misión secundaria llevó directamente a la victoria de Odium. Su ausencia solo le dio tiempo a Taravangian para hacer tratos con todos sus aliados y darles la vuelta. También paralizó a sus ejércitos debido a la falta de luz tormentosa. Incluso si Dalinar hubiera encontrado una manera de ganar sin matar a Gav, Odium básicamente habría ganado porque controlaba el 90% del mundo. Ah, sí, no olvidemos a todos los corredores del viento que abandonan a Mraize y compañía en lugar de dejar a algunos atrás para vigilarlos. La explicación dada para eso fue insuficiente. A veces, los corredores del viento se veían bastante tontos. Actuaban muy fuera de lugar. Luego está Dalinar enviando a sus tropas aéreas lejos cuando el destino del mundo está en juego. Todo lo que hizo Dalinar fue hacer que Todium fuera el doble de poderoso. En los libros se dice literalmente que la única razón por la que los otros fragmentos ignoraron a Odium es porque estaba atrapado en Roshar. Dalinar podría haber liberado a Odium desde el principio. Parece que esa fue la mejor opción desde el principio.
 Entonces, ¿qué iba a hacer Todium si Gav no se hubiera infiltrado detrás de Lift? Parecía que no tenía planes para un campeón. Todium realmente no superó a nadie en inteligencia. Se derrotaron a sí mismos. Todos sus mejores luchadores y personas más poderosas fueron enviados lejos del campo de batalla. Todium no tuvo absolutamente nada que ver con ninguna de esas decisiones. Tampoco tuvo nada que ver con que Gav terminara en el reino espiritual. 
Sin embargo, me encantó el humor de este libro. Todos hicieron buenos chistes. 
Szeth "una cuchara" me hizo llorar. Me encantó cómo la familia de Szeth inicialmente lo apoyó. Se mantuvieron a 10 pies de distancia de él. Fue genial que la hermana de Szeth pudiera desafiar a Ishar y abstenerse de matarlo. Simplemente no me gustó el final de su padre o hermana. 
Este fue definitivamente el libro más divertido que leí en el Cosmere. Casi todos hicieron algunas líneas geniales. Szeth "¿una cuchara?" durante esa pelea en shadesmar me hizo llorar. Ishar "sí, lo escribí" fue divertidísimo. Sanderson realmente le dio a la comunidad un poco de fan service. Puso el chiste sobre el que el fandom ha estado bromeando durante años. Le dio a Shallon una sección de vítores después de un momento íntimo. Jaja. "¡Shallan!" "¡Shallan!" Hubo muchas más líneas que también me hicieron reír a carcajadas. Voy a tener que volver a leerlas. 
No puedo esperar a ver qué pasa con Adolin y los que no han jurado. Me pregunto qué pasará con Vasher. Tampoco puedo esperar a ver qué pasa con Lift. Todavía estoy decidiendo qué siento sobre este libro, pero definitivamente seguiré leyendo esta serie.

The mental health journey is important. We've already had 4 books where Kaladin has a lot of action. So I liked Sanderson's approach to Kaladin in this book. What Kaladin accomplishes in Shinovar is more important than what Azir accomplishes, in my opinion.

[The Cosmere Unaware]

This took Dalinar from my favorite Cosmere character to one of my least

 

What a colossal storming fumble

[Qianweilian He/him]

On 12/19/2024 at 8:20 AM, The Cosmere Unaware said:

What a colossal storming fumble

I disagree. What I think the fumble in the ending was Dalinar dying and then, literally, the next page Taravangian magically gets his Blackthorn.

[Soccorro]

On 12/19/2024 at 11:20 PM, The Cosmere Unaware said:

This took Dalinar from my favorite Cosmere character to one of my least

 

What a colossal storming fumble

The biggest fumble is that BS knew this is the last time we ever see Dalinar and still wasted him for spiritual realm exposition dump. Every character who was participating in SR plot was wasted but Shallan at least will have 5 more books while Dalinar spent his last book as a plot device. None of his chapters are about him. It’s funny how BS gave up eventually and started to write visions that Dalinar’s saw from Honor’s perspective which is right because Dalinar as a person has no development anyway. His big moment for supposed to be "giving up Honor's power" but this is exactly what he planned to do in the beginning of the book! He literally told Navani in the very first chapters that he doesn't want this power and seeks Honor only to beat Odium's champ and then he plans to let Honor's power go or find another vessel for it. It's not that Dalinar went on a journey, leared something new about himself, and eventually made a Choice that pre-character development Dalinar would never make. But no, he did exactly what he wanted to do since the beginning. 

[Forts Board]

Some of yall are a bit harsh on Brandon, i feel like. With everything that he had to tidy up and sanderlanche, i think he did a crazy good job. I really enjoyed the book overall. 

I'd rank it below Way of Kings and Words of Radiance, but i don't think we should have ever expected it to be better. It's so much easier to write a compelling story when the stakes are so much lower.

 

[Vin(Diesel)]

I was disappointed overall, though I did like large parts of it.

Kaladin and Szeth's character arcs were a very mixed bag. Yes, Szeth needed to learn to think for himself and Kaladin to look after himself, but could Szeth not have learned WHY he should think for himself? He is a person, yes, not a thing. But the reason persons should think for themselves isn't because of warm fuzzies or whatever other unexplained reason; it's because persons have an innate conscience, and listening to it, rather than pretending that only the Stone Shamans have consciences, is both a right and a duty for each person. Without that clarified, it sounds like some stupid "follow your bliss" moral.

Frankly, Kaladin's moral arc almost sounded like "follow your bliss" too. Yes, Kaladin's bliss was protecting people. But what if his bliss were gouging people's eyes out? Both men basically learned that line from "Hamlet," "Above all, to thine own self be true." But in "Hamlet," that line is spoken by a stupid blowhard. No. Don't do what you want because it's what you want. They landed in the right place, but I find it implausible that they would find some of their own claims plausible, phrased as they were. They know better. They know choices aren't good just because they choose them. You SHOULD care for yourself (and others, prioritizing whichever has more right to your help in a given situation) and you SHOULD make individual choices (informed by you consciences and whatever sources of information your own mind has found to be reliable). But they shouldn't have said it in ways that sounded so much like Woody Allen's "the heart wants what it wants." Their words sounded so much like they came specifically from the minds of late 20th/early 21st century Americans.... I wonder if it would have been better if Brandon had framed these issues in some older way than what is essentially the self-care movement, which is so recent people are still sorting it out in their own minds. Szeth and Kaladin's moral arguments were poor and perhaps anachronistic, even though they got both men where they needed to be.

That is probably my biggest complaint. Iirc, Adolin and Shallan reasoned on similar lines a bit. If a moral argument is going to be such a big theme in a 1400 page book, it had better be very solid and deeply thought out, and I just didn't think it was.

Also, why are the 5th ideals of both the Skybreakers and the Windrunners oaths that are obvious and easy for a large fraction of people? Shouldn't 5th ideals be oaths that most people would find extremely difficult to swear? Don't lots of people easily look after themselves and make their own decisions? Sure, they were really hard for Szeth and Kaladin, but that was because of their individual problems. I don't think most Windrunners would have as much difficulty swearing the 5th ideal as they would swearing most of the others. The Skybreakers... well, they're an unusual bunch of folks under Nale, but I don't think that's always been the case, and I don't think a more average bunch would have much trouble promising to use their own judgement/conscience. After years of struggle and development, is it really the pinnacle of honorable human achievement to swear not to be pathologically unselfish or join a cult? Not knocking anyone who struggles with those things: Kaladin and Szeth are good people, and they struggled. But do most people really have those specific struggles, and to the extent they have to wait until the 5th ideal to triumph? 

I also think we switched POV too frequently, though it was impressive to see Brandon make so many viewpoints fit together in one story. I found it yanked me out of the story. 

The Spiritual Realm was cool, but it was disappointing because it had been built up as this great, almost transcendent thing beyond human comprehension. Now it's just a barrel of visions where time passes differently. I know Sanderson isn't exactly known for numinous, awe-inspiring concepts, but it's almost like he retconned one of his few concepts like that out of existence.

I liked the ending. I'm glad Dalinar got to be humble, good, and brilliant. I would've guessed he'd end up being Odium's Fused or become the vessel of Honor/Odium and start conquering the Cosmere either way, so I'm relieved he didn't. I thought Adolin might die, and I thought that would be the least sad MC death since he has already lived a happy (if short) life and doesn't need to complete a steep character arc, but Dalinar's death actually wasn't that sad; he died well, having been loved, having achieved much, and having become a good man. His death was meaningful and he was already old-ish. 

I think that Dalinar's soul was claimed by the true, transcendent God that Dalinar believed in. I think Brandon will never tell us who claimed Dalinar's soul, because he says that though he, Brandon, knows whether there really is a transcendent God over the Cosmere, he won't reveal the answer because his characters need to keep believe different things about that and he doesn't want to alter their some of their characters by rebutting them. He will leave us with the possibilities that it was the true God or Evi or Adonalsium's soul or whatever. I like to think that Dalinar's hope was true and that it saved him in the end. I say it's God anyway: I can't think why Sanderson would've written that in the death scene of, (if I'm not mistaken) the only character in the Cosmere who believes specifically in a transcendent God as opposed to some in-universe god like Adonalsium, unless he meant to hint that Dalinar's long-held hope did not disappoint.

Poor Gavinor. Taravodium had to come up with a hideously clever choice of champions. The story wouldn't have been as good if he hadn't. It was still painful. I can bear it because Gav got to see that Odium betrayed him and Dalinar died for him, so now he has an excellent chance not to be the hate-filled pawn he was raised to be. I hope he's okay in books 6-10.

I wouldn't have guessed Azir would be the main country left in the end. I wonder if Yanagawn will be a more central character in the back 5. I hope we see more of Lift.

Nor would I have guessed that Brandon would rebut Jasnah's utiliarianism (or Philosophy of Aspiration, as it's called on Roshar). He said he wouldn't rebut her atheism, as I said above, but he rebutted the other main pillar of her thinking quite thoroughly here. I wonder why. It was probably necessary if she's going to be a main character in the back 5, though. The the supremely confident adult who always knows best and doesn't have to change wouldn't be very interesting for hundreds of pages of POV in this kind of novel.

I was really hoping for more Lirin, but I guess I can see why that didn't happen. 

Brandon's habit of making characters lose their bodies (and their access to their friends) when they level up... isn't to my taste. I think our bodies are a fundamental part of us. Maybe he doesn't think that, and so maybe vaporizing them doesn't feel like such a loss to Brandon. Or maybe he intends it to be sad. How do you all feel about that aspect of Kaladin's acceptance into the Heralds? 

So the highspren don't become deadeyes? They just... keep their distance, and that does the trick? And their Radiants can still access two surges, plate and blade? If it's that easy, why don't all the spren do that?

Is Shallan pregnant? I was a little confused because she put her hand on her stomach, but then it said she'd taken a long time to "recover." Did she just have a stomach wound I forgot about, or did it mean recover emotionally? Did her tryst with her husband in the shower have big results? 

Is Navani comatose with the Sibling now? Will they both be comatose indefinitely? 

Is Ba-Ado-Mishram going to go postal now or be their ally or what? It's rather a large question to leave unanswered and I think even unnoted at the end of the book. What were the unmade originally? I was wondering if Mishram would turn out to be the original Night or something.

Fourth moon on the Shattered Plains. Cool. Wonder what will become of that tidbit.

Do you think they'll find a way to make the Oathgates work? Will they find a way to make Towerlight work outside Urithiru? Will Cultivation return to Roshar if Retribution hides somewhere else? 

We got hints that Shards might be able to learn new intents. That might be the solution to the cosmere-wide problem of shardic intents being problematic when taken to the nth degree (as shards do). But that would follow Sanderson's disappointing pattern of creating these strange, otherworldly concepts and then reducing them to different shades of ordinary (I'm looking at you, Spiritual Realm). He's already shown that the spren can change, that they're regular people in spite of their supposed nature, so I suspect he will do the same for the Shards.

Making Renarin and Rlain the first human-singer couple doesn't raise the issue of how people will react to a mixed race (mixed species?) child. Imagine if Renarin had married a Listener lady and his heir was half-"voidbringer." Brandon has confirmed that human man + singer woman is a fertile pairing, so if the two groups are hanging out now, it's going to happen, and soon. Would've been interesting to see it happen where Kholin inheritance and succession were at stake, but maybe Brandon thought he had enough balls to juggle already. And maybe he'll avoid the whole thing by having Urithiru stay cut off from the Shattered Plains like it is from the rest of the world.

You know, widespread intermarriage MIGHT be a solution to racial conflict. Can't have race wars if you're all one blended race. And just giving 75% of the population a cousin of another race might get *some* people to see sense. I'm in a sort of mixed-race marriage myself. Admittedly, marriages like mine haven't ended racism in my country. People can be stubborn. 

Sorry if I've misremembered a few points. I didn't feel like searching through the book to check things. Correct me if you like. 

[Diomedes]

A book that leaves me disappointed, mostly. The ending and how this changes Roshar was great to read. But books are about the journey, not the destination. 

1. Most importantly: The writing is off.

WaT could have been a great book, if Sanderson had just spend a year or so refining the style.  Instead of working on the book longer, he chose to publish it in this half-finished state, because that is was he always does: work 1-2 years on a book and then release it. But this book was different: It needed more time.   What is perceived to be S. biggest strengths, being a very prolific writer, turned out to be his weakness. 

 I know he can do better. This makes this very frustrating.

 2. "show dont tell". 

The characterization  revolves around internal monologues telling the reader, how we are supposed to feel about a given character. This just does not work for me. Same goes for the char. arcs which also rely on internal monologues. Maybe this could work, if the writing was better, but it does not. 

3. Isolation

Sanderson spreads the his large cast of characters on different side quests. We don``t get much of characters, which we are emotionally invested in, interacting with each other. This is to me, what makes books fun to read. Where was the Adolin- Kaladin bridgeboy- princeling bromance?  Where was Jasnah teaching her ward? Where was Dalinar being the father to Adolin, Renarin and also Kaladin? 

4. plotting

The loophole to the contract revolves around some obscure Alethi law, even the in world chars don`t know anything about: This sets up the plotstructure of the entire novel in the battlefields in Azir, shatt. plains and Thaylenah. Really?  I feel like this is a fallout from making book 3 Dalinars book instead of book 5.  

5. events off-screen. 

Important events happen off-screen. Emul and all the others going over to Taravangian means he already has won most of Roshar: Even if our heroes had won on all fronts 80% of Roshar would still be under his control, without us even seeing it happen. This is not really acceptable. Why not make Thaylenah or Azimir the place, which betrays the coalition and then everybody else follows? 

Also important char. moments are not shown. For instance I waited years on a scene, on Jasnah having a conversation with Shallan after learning she almost joined an organisation which repeatedly tried to assasinate her. How does this impact their relationship? Also Kaladin murdering Shallans brother. How does this impact the Shallan Kaladin relationship? 

All in all a step up from RoW, but that is not really saying much. 

[Nitpicking]

Is anyone else afraid that Brandon will read this topic?

Because, based on White Sand, if he decides this book is substandard, he'll just insist on writing another version, maybe three other versions ....

[NewGuy 16]

7 hours ago, Nitpicking said:

Is anyone else afraid that Brandon will read this topic?

Because, based on White Sand, if he decides this book is substandard, he'll just insist on writing another version, maybe three other versions ....

Hahahahaha now that would be a sight

I do think the reviews on this thread (and perhaps even on this site in general) are a little more critical than the general consensus, but what do I know. I certainly enjoyed the book, but I can understand some of the criticisms.

[Lacra Maldita]

3 hours ago, NewGuy 16 said:

Jaja ...

Creo que las reseñas de este hilo (y quizás incluso de este sitio en general) son un poco más críticas que el consenso general, pero qué sé yo. Sin duda disfruté el libro, pero puedo entender algunas de las críticas.

Yes, I think it's a thing of this site. For example, I spend more time on Twitter, and for the cosmere community in Spain, Latin America and Brazil, and the consensus is that it's a wonderful book.

[Karger he/him]

Hmmm.  Decent book.  Didn't care too much for the ending.  A big part of that is probably the cliff hanger nature of a lot of things.  We'll probably have to wait until the series if complete before I entirely decided how I feel about this one.  For now B, 4/5 stars.

[Nitpicking]

10 hours ago, NewGuy 16 said:

Hahahahaha now that would be a sight

I do think the reviews on this thread (and perhaps even on this site in general) are a little more critical than the general consensus, but what do I know. I certainly enjoyed the book, but I can understand some of the criticisms.

Want to hear some negative opinions? (Maybe not!) Watch/listen to the Wind & Truth Reactions 2 podcast from the admins of this very site. Shannon and Ene in particular have ... things to say. Many things. Said passionately. Recommended.

[Koloss17 She/They]

Honestly, I lived this book. I thought it was so well done, and as much as it hurt to see a world I love crumble, I knew it was where the story had to go.

I think my absolute favorite thing was the Kaladin therapy arc. His efforts felt very real, with the need to help people fuiling him being something that I empathize with. Kaladin unintentionally becoming Wit’s protege was so awesome to see, and his learning of the flute was great. I’ll admit that I had hoped there would be more there, as learning a single song does not an artist make, but it was nice to see that musical spark written down. As a musician, it made me happy.

Past that, it was absolutely awesome seeing the spiritual realm. I understand how it can feel weird being in the spiritual realm, as it was like this sort of mysterious “mortals don’t go there” place for quite some time, but I really liked it. I think Dalinar, Adolin, Rlain, and Shallan’s journeys were all so compelling to their character arcs, and the theme of using the past to guide the future and using the present to reflect on the past was just so cool to see. 
 

Lore-wise, I was blown away. To know that core aspects of Roshar were made directly from Adonalisium is awesome, and learning the history and magic of the land was great.

I also really liked the expansion of deadeyes, with the arc between Adolin, Maya, and the Oathless was great, and I loved all of it.

And storms, that ending. I loved that it ended with the formation of Retribution, and though I was sad to see Stormlight go, it was one hell of a ride. Dalinar revoking his oaths to get out of the lose-lose situation, setting up the merging of Odium and Honor, and then dying was great. I also really appreciated that moment with Nohadon, whatever it was.

But I think the thing I liked most about it was Taln. By god, that moment. Don’t mess with the wounded when Taln is present.

[Yomisma]

Just finished the fifth book (Spanish translation). Not sure how I feel. Too woke in places. Too drawn out in places (Gavinor in the finale wtf?). Kaladin was "saved" for the future, that's not bad, but everything is somehow crumpled. But there is Too Much mental suffering from everyone in a row.

In some places I simply skimmed through entire pages. It's a pity, it's unusual to see boring reading material from Brandon.

 

Edited December 24, 2024 by Yomisma

[Nitpicking]

12 hours ago, Koloss17 said:

Lore-wise, I was blown away. To know that core aspects of Roshar were made directly from Adonalisium is awesome, and learning the history and magic of the land was great.

I realized yesterday that the only lore I really cared about was canonizing Dragonsteel Prime, at least the Jerick plot. All the future Cosmere implications, the name of the last Shard ... I was just bored with it. I think Brandon has spent so many words (a million?) on it without telling the story that'll come in out in 20 years, I can't focus on it any more. It's like reading a poorly-written RPG supplement (for me), just a list of names and places and snippets of history.

[Sedside she/her]

21 hours ago, Nitpicking said:

Want to hear some negative opinions? (Maybe not!) Watch/listen to the Wind & Truth Reactions 2 podcast from the admins of this very site. Shannon and Ene in particular have ... things to say. Many things. Said passionately. Recommended.

Could you please point the exact timecodes where the actual criticisms start at that podcast? Because I've tried to listen to it for like 1 hour and 10+ minutes, I've soldiered through a lot of things that make me cringe personally, but at the point they decided Kaladin was meh and should retire from the series completely I just couldn't continue listening to this. He and Rysn are probably the only characters I still care about, so it's kinda physically painful for me to hear this, especially from the people who are supposed to have a lot of influence in the fandom.

Edited December 24, 2024 by Sedside

[christianrapper]

What am I missing?  How do you respond to people in a particular thread? I tried clicking on their name and the box just said that I was posting on their timelines instead of just this thread. I know the answer is going to be something simple that I missed. Lol. 

[Argenti he/him]

2 minutes ago, christianrapper said:

What am I missing?  How do you respond to people in a particular thread? I tried clicking on their name and the box just said that I was posting on their timelines instead of just this thread. I know the answer is going to be something simple that I missed. Lol. 

Do you mean quotes like this one? There should be a button that says "quote," next to the plus sign.  Press on that and it will quote their whole message. You can also highlight a section of the text, and a popup says "Quote Selection?" It makes something like this. 

5 minutes ago, christianrapper said:

How do you respond to people in a particular thread?

The plus sign "Multi-quotes" which does the same thing as if you'd pressed the quote button several times on a message. 

[TheHidelSubldies]

5 hours ago, Sedside said:

Could you please point the exact timecodes where the actual criticisms start at that podcast? Because I've tried to listen to it for like 1 hour and 10+ minutes, I've soldiered through a lot of things that make me cringe personally, but at the point they decided Kaladin was meh and should retire from the series completely I just couldn't continue listening to this. He and Rysn are probably the only characters I still care about, so it's kinda physically painful for me to hear this, especially from the people who are supposed to have a lot of influence in the fandom.

They've added timestamps so you should have an easier time finding the parts where the cast voice their criticisms but just in case.

At 2:12:01 is where I would say they start to dive into criticisms. This part in particular is aimed at Dalinar and Navani. The TLDL version would be that it was mostly aimless with the Tanavast POVs being the only relevant parts.

At 2:41:51 They go into their issues with Kaladin and Szeth. In short they feel as if Kaladin snubbed Szeth in that Kal hijacked the more heroic moments from Szeth. Though fair warning, since you mentioned that it upset you when they tear into Kal, maybe consider skiping this part.

At 3:30:10 they focus on Shallan and, wow, they really don't like Shallan. Granted I have some issues with her too but damn 

At 3:43:10 the turn to Jasnah. Specifically her debate with Todium. They explain that they felt Brandon made Jasnah "hold the idiot ball", for lack of a better term, in order to have Todium win and destroy Jasnah's self esteem.

[Lacra Maldita]

On 23/12/2024 at 15:00, Nitpicking said:

¿Quieres escuchar algunas opiniones negativas? (¡Tal vez no!) Mira o escucha el podcast Wind & Truth Reactions 2 de los administradores de este mismo sitio. Shannon y Ene en particular tienen... cosas que decir. Muchas cosas. Expresadas con pasión. Recomendado.

In fact, her criticism of Kaladin and Szeth's part was an outrage.

[Soccorro]

1 hour ago, Lacra Maldita said:

In fact, her criticism of Kaladin and Szeth's part was an outrage

What did they say?

 

12 hours ago, Sedside said:

especially from the people who are supposed to have a lot of influence in the fandom

I think they’re beta readers and I read one of them on fantasy subreddit and they said BS didn’t listen to their feedback at all so they probably don’t have any influence 

[christianrapper]

On 12/20/2024 at 6:21 AM, RedBlue said:

This sounds great in a vacuum, but with Taravangian there to point out how dire Fen’s situation would be if she doesn’t cut a deal, it falls apart. And if Jasnah keeps repeating ‘you can’t trust Taravangian,’ it only highlights that she can’t actually counter his points.

 

Loyalty and trust isn’t something Jasnah can argue because it’s antithetical to who she is. Somebody like Navani might have been able to pull it off, but not Jasnah. She perceives herself as, and has a reputation for being, someone who works on cold hard logic. If she pivots now and begins making appeals to loyalty, Fen will see her as not being genuine.

 

I think what Taravangian gained was emotional leverage over Jasnah. By demonstrating that she ‘agrees’ with him, he’s showing her that their ways of thinking are very similar, and maybe planting the seed of the idea that joining him wouldn’t be so bad. This is something he can use to manipulate her at some later date.

Taravangian seems to value having an ‘in’ with Jasnah over having stronger control over Thaylenah. Given who Jasnah is, I don’t think that’s a bad call.

 

9 hours ago, Argenti said:

Do you mean quotes like this one? There should be a button that says "quote," next to the plus sign.  Press on that and it will quote their whole message. You can also highlight a section of the text, and a popup says "Quote Selection?" It makes something like this. 

The plus sign "Multi-quotes" which does the same thing as if you'd pressed the quote button several times on a message. 

Thanks 

[Nitpicking]

9 hours ago, Lacra Maldita said:

In fact, her criticism of Kaladin and Szeth's part was an outrage.

If you're outraged because someone didn't like a book as much as you did ....

I'm curious, how did my text get translated into Spanish in your quote of me?

[Yomisma]

3 hours ago, Nitpicking said:

I'm curious, how did my text get translated into Spanish in your quote of me?

Could be some bug when someone is reading a forum with auto-translation, for example from Spain, at the moment of quoting your post. Hola desde España, por cierto