Chapters 23 & 24

[BinarySecond]

https://reactormag.com/read-wind-and-truth-by-brandon-sanderson-chapters-23-and-24/

 

Fabrial advancement and the rewritten flashback for Szeth. I didn't see much different personally.

 

Rushu is very endearing, but so is Bippy.

 

Edit: Oh and Shallan is so going to get caught out. "Southern" Scadrians surely know each by the eyes.

Edited October 21, 2024 by BinarySecond

[the_archduke]

I thought Aladar was a high prince not a high lord.  Weren't those supposed to be different dahn?

[BinarySecond]

1 minute ago, the_archduke said:

I thought Aladar was a high prince not a high lord.  Weren't those supposed to be different dahn?

He's referred to as High Prince initially, so I guess not?

[the_archduke]

Perhaps a highprince is a highlord who holds an office.  Are all first and second dahn highlords?

Edited October 21, 2024 by the_archduke

[feruchemicalrockband]

The spren farming is interesting. I was wondering how they would manage to build computers using logic spren considering they were so rare, but if you could figure out how to farm them it makes it a lot easier.

[Njvodin]

Dang. Bippy is adorable.
 

plus the flamespren idea with shifts is pretty cool

 

I'm a little upset that we only really have one chapter this week, we've already seen chapter 24. Maybe not upset, just feeling too much anticipation

 

Shallan is up to her naughty tricks again, I can't wait to see what's going to happen with the Ghostbloods.

 

I wonder if the Southern Scadrian that Shallan Squad is someone we've seen before, or if it's someone new. Either way, they're definitely going to do something after being kidnapped. I wonder if she has a medallion or something, ooh do you think we get our first ever Misting vs Radiant fight?? That would be so cool

 

I'm also a little annoyed that the POVs keep swapping so quickly, there's no time to resolve anything. But, to be fair, it probably is meant to be fast paced, as there is only 8 days until the contest.

 

Also, bonding lesser spren seems pretty intriguing. I wonder what that's gonna be about

 

I can't wait to see what happens with Dalinar and the visions, specifically what we might see in the visions.

 

Well, time to wait another miserable week without more chapters 
AAGH JUST RELEASE THE BOOK ALREADY

[Diomedes]

There is rising tension between Dalinar and the highprinces. I knew it! Also the slavery law is opposed by the Lighteyes. And Sadeas murder is an issue! I guess I need to rewrite my theory on the loophole in the contract including the new evidence. 

[coolsnow7]

1 minute ago, Njvodin said:

I'm also a little annoyed that the POVs keep swapping so quickly, there's no time to resolve anything. But, to be fair, it probably is meant to be fast paced, as there is only 8 days until the contest.

Contrast with the pacing of RoW - 40+ chapters of “the scientific process”, and Kaladin fighting a futile rearguard action against the Fused (we know he’s going to fail, if he was going to succeed then it wouldn’t be happening so early in the book!) - yeah I’m gonna say I’m much happier with the faster pace. The Navani stuff in particular killed me.

[duladen he/him]

What the heck is Shallan’s next move?

I love Navani. Yall noticing that there always seems to be gloryspren and lifespren around her? Also, a couple times there’s been casual mention of her “dismissing” other spren - happened before the meeting and happened this chapter too. Her Sibling bond is really interesting.

Domesticating spren is an interesting compromise. Bippy must be protected at all costs.

Was the Neturo family stone “vibrant red-orange” when the draft of this flashback first came out? Is it a gem stone? What’s going on here?

[coolsnow7]

Just now, Diomedes said:

There is rising tension between Dalinar and the highprinces. I knew it! Also the slavery law is opposed by the Lighteyes. And Sadeas murder is an issue! I guess I need to rewrite my theory on the loophole in the contract including the new evidence. 

Not sure what your particular theory is, but if Gavilar shows up - for whatever reason, whether he’s Odium’s champion or otherwise - Dalinar will certainly face a severe crisis of legitimacy

1 minute ago, duladen said:

Was the Neturo family stone “vibrant red-orange” when the draft of this flashback first came out? Is it a gem stone? What’s going on here?

I suspect Brandon wanted to hide the Unmade from us until the book came out… I think we’re about to find out that Szeth just unearthed a captured Dai-Gonarthis.

[Diomedes]

6 minutes ago, coolsnow7 said:

Not sure what your particular theory is, but if Gavilar shows up - for whatever reason, whether he’s Odium’s champion or otherwise - Dalinar will certainly face a severe crisis of legitimacy

No nothing like That. Its about how Taravangian ist going to exploit tensions between Dalinar and the Highprinces.

 

[teknopathetic he/him]

Interesting that Nohadon wants a universal law where people can leave.
 

One could read that as people should be able to break their bonds at any time if they wanted to. Very non Honour (as a shard). 

[who_slew_aicirtap she/they]

I have a terrible feeling that Molli is not going to make it. Also, nonbinary Rushu!!!???

Edited October 21, 2024 by who_slew_aicirtap

[MarcieIsForager She/They]

Hey is it just me or was did Rushus interaction with the Sibling read in any way like Brandon actually confirming Rushu as Non-Binary

[+Oltux72 he/him]

31 minutes ago, coolsnow7 said:

Not sure what your particular theory is, but if Gavilar shows up - for whatever reason, whether he’s Odium’s champion or otherwise - Dalinar will certainly face a severe crisis of legitimacy

Why Dalinar? He is a Bondsmith and king of Urithiru. Those titles Gavilar has no right to. Jasnah would be in big trouble.

[Ashbringer he/him]

1 minute ago, MarcieIsForager said:

Hey is it just me or was did Rushus interaction with the Sibling read in any way like Brandon actually confirming Rushu as Non-Binary

Most likely. Could be Rushu's speaking on behalf of someone else, but that's the most likely way to read it.

[alder24]

I must say, I’m not a fan of those PoV divided chapters. Yes, they were in previous books, but usually during the finale. Almost every chapter of WaT is divided between different PoV. This does invoke the feeling that WaT is one massive finale and it increases the pacing a bit, but on the other hand it’s way too fragmented, too unfocused and we’re spending less time with the main characters in those chapters without giving them enough time. We got just a teaser from Shallan’s PoV with not much progress being made there and Navani’s chapter of more or less the proper length. I would rather have both full length PoVs in separate chapters.  

Shallan has way too easy a time, at this point I will be massively disappointed if this doesn’t end up badly. I’m wondering if there is a Tineye among Ghostbloods - they are rare, but they should have one for just those moments. Kelsier always had Tineye guards, this is a lesson Iyatil should have learned. They would be able to hear every conversation Shallan and her team had and they could be hidden further away, the third watchpost Shallan’s squad was worried about.   

Navani’s idea is just a slavery with extra steps. Better than before, but why not work on manifesting Flamespren as heater fabrials, just like Soulcasters are created? They aren’t trapped, they do it willingly, they can be dismissed and replaced after some time. It’s a step in the wrong direction. Thankfully, Rushu was there to inspire Navani to domesticate Flamespren, which is a step in the right direction. 

The Sibling already gained a fangirl. That was fast. Looks like Rushu might be non-binary.

Anyone willing to translate Navani’s notes? 

Szeth’s flashback, let’s go! And it starts with the Wind - those words seem very obvious now, just like how the Wind was present in Kaladin’s life, it’s present in Szeth’s life as well. This flashback wasn’t very different from the version read by Brandon 2 years ago.

 

25 minutes ago, teknopathetic said:

Interesting that Nohadon wants a universal law where people can leave.

I think this ended up with Nohadon establishing the Vorin right of travel.

Edited October 21, 2024 by alder24

[The Sovereign]

9 minutes ago, MarcieIsForager said:

Hey is it just me or was did Rushus interaction with the Sibling read in any way like Brandon actually confirming Rushu as Non-Binary

That was the impression I got as well. Or at least that Rushu is considering Gender and doesn't view it as Binary.

Unrelated, but as intuitive as it is, we now know (canonically) that the Shin refer to the bearers of Honorblades as "Honorbearers". I remember when "Shardbearer" was a far more prevalent term there was speculation on what to call them around the release of Words of Radiance (assuming the bearer was not a Herald).

[Ashbringer he/him]

I don't see Shallan's infiltration attempts going well - she would probably fool most Ghostbloods, but not Iyatil or a Tineye. But I think Iyatil would let her fool the rest for a while, for a few reasons. One, it's a bit of power over Shallan and a way to limit what info (like the fact that they know where BAM is) that Shallan gets. Two, in spite of everything that the Ghostbloods manage to get access to, I'm not actually sure what they could do to a 4th Oath Radiant suddenly manifesting Plate and Blade in the middle of them. It doesn't seem like they have many offworlders that could have abilities - one or two, minus the one they choked out, and the odds that they have Radiants seem low. Even then, dealing with a full Radiant is tough.

(Although, maybe they have Dustbringers. We haven't seen Malata for a book, and RoW implied that there were other Dustbringers besides her and Ral-na, while WaT says Ral-na's the only one left in Urithiru.)

[+Oltux72 he/him]

1 minute ago, The Sovereign said:

That was the impression I got as well. Or at least that Rushu is considering Gender and doesn't view it as Binary.

Or she just sees this rationally. A building has no gender. The Stormfather and the Nightwatcher are the odd ones.

[Subvisual Haze]

Quote

Would that men could always do the same—if I could enshrine one law in all further legal codes, it would be this. Let people leave if they wish.

and

Quote

Great danger. We do not think as humans do. To separate the power from those who are attached to the Physical Realm… that should frighten you. It is not so terrible a thing for part of me to despise you. But for the power of a god to? Dangerous. For all of us.

Reinforces the idea for me that there was a conflict between the Honor shard and its holder Tanavast (mirroring the conflict between Rayse and Odium).  The Honor shard demanded oaths never be modified or walked away from, Tanavast probably favored more sympathy for those caught in bad oaths (like the Heralds).  

[Nesh he/him]

That guard at the Ghostblood hideout went down way too easily.  You'd think they'd at least have a Medalion or something in case I don't know, a group of Lightweavers showed up.  It almost feels like they're letting Shallan in...

Edited October 21, 2024 by Nesh

[The Sovereign]

6 minutes ago, Oltux72 said:

Or she just sees this rationally. A building has no gender. The Stormfather and the Nightwatcher are the odd ones.

I'm not sure I understand what you're implying? I postulated that she is considering gender because she was the one who brought it up with her question to the Sibling. It isn't like it came up organically in conversation. As for her not viewing it as binary, I say this because when the Sibling proposes that the concept of not being male or female is likely strange to Rushu, she answers that it makes sense to her. 

Edit: I see now that I misread "Building" as "Builder". That is where my confusion in your post came from. Though even then, The Sibling isn't the Tower itself. It is the Spren of the Tower. Which as we've seen with many Spren are often personified in one way or another. So I don't think the Stormfather or Nightwatcher are odd. More that all three seems like plausible results.

Edited October 21, 2024 by The Sovereign

[Ashbringer he/him]

2 minutes ago, The Sovereign said:

I'm not sure I understand what you're implying? I postulated that she is considering gender because she was the one who brought it up with her question to the Sibling. It isn't like it came up organically in conversation. As for her not viewing it as binary, I say this because when the Sibling proposes that the concept of not being male or female is likely strange to Rushu, she answers that it makes sense to her.

Just going to add that the first quote on Rushu's Coppermind page is about asking how or why beards/long hair are considered masculine/feminine.

[coolsnow7]

25 minutes ago, Oltux72 said:

Why Dalinar? He is a Bondsmith and king of Urithiru. Those titles Gavilar has no right to. Jasnah would be in big trouble.

Can Dalinar claim to be king of anything if all of humanity deserts him? Can he claim to be Honor’s representative in any meaningful way if his justification for the position he holds is “Give it to me. Now. I need it”?