Master Elodin Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 (edited) Sorry to be blunt, but that's just plain wrong. It's plainly stated in the books that Ruin and Preservation had to work together to create sentient life on Scadrial. Feruchemy inevitably came after that. I also don't see why you feel the need to "explain" the origins of Feruchemy beyond it being the system of balance between Preservation and Ruin. You're Blunt? How did you become a worldhopper? Seriously, though, you're almost definitely right. Just the fact that a magic system can come from two shards together seems strange to me. Edited March 16, 2016 by Master_Elodin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Dusk must be a worldhopper now but has he been seen in the SA? Ive seen a picture on tumblr just now that BS signed someones book and wrote "Dusk has tried Herdazian food and hates it" Id provide a picture or something but i have no idea how to do so here and on my phone Wasn't that story from the space-age Scadrial time frame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted March 19, 2016 Report Share Posted March 19, 2016 Okay, I was recently thinking about the whole Preservation vs Ruin plans (Terris prophecies, setting up the atium Mistings and so on)...Was this explained why did Preservation spread out as the mists in the first place? What were Heroes Of Ages to do once they taken up the power of the Well (as Rashek didn't do a very good job)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 Posted March 19, 2016 Report Share Posted March 19, 2016 (edited) Okay, I was recently thinking about the whole Preservation vs Ruin plans (Terris prophecies, setting up the atium Mistings and so on)... Was this explained why did Preservation spread out as the mists in the first place? What were Heroes Of Ages to do once they taken up the power of the Well (as Rashek didn't do a very good job)? Actually, as far as Preservation was concerned, Rashek did a bang-up job as the Hero of Ages. All that was required is that the power was used, and therefore kept out of the hands of Ruin. The mists were either 1) a masquerade by Ruin in order to smear Preservation's power as evil or 2) searching out allomancers and Snapping them, depending on circumstance. (the Deepness was probably the former, and he reused the trick during HoA) Edited March 19, 2016 by Landis963 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinxer Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 The mists were either 1) a masquerade by Ruin in order to smear Preservation's power as evil or 2) searching out allomancers and Snapping them, depending on circumstance. (the Deepness was probably the former, and he reused the trick during HoA) I believe we have WoB (maybe the annotations?) that it was a sort of combination of those two: the mists did seek out and snap allomancers, but Ruin increased their severity in order to smear Preservation's power and cause more, well, ruin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Elodin Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 Who has Dalinar talked to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 Who has Dalinar talked to? Regarding what, exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Elodin Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 Who are all the smart people Dalinar has talked to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 Who are all the smart people Dalinar has talked to? Adolin. Navani. Hoid. Arguably Shallan and Jasnah. Everyone else is iffy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Elodin Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) Hmm. How about strange people. Edit: Was/Is Gavilar Invested? Edited March 21, 2016 by Master Elodin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Hmm. How about strange people. Edit: Was/Is Gavilar Invested? On Dalinar: Hoid. Renarin. Arguably Shallan and Kaladin. Everyone else is iffy. On Gavilar: That depends upon the nature of the Investiture. He got the visions from Honor, but that might not count. As far as we know, he had no Surgebinding ability, from spren or Honorblade, or even something else entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Elodin Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) I think that Gavilar was at one point a vessel for the Unmade. Edit: Oh! It's Zahel! Edited March 21, 2016 by Master Elodin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Gavilar was one of the Sons of Honor (the same creeps that Amaram belong(s?) to) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PallonianFire Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 On a WoB hunt regarding the character(s) named Felt. Anyone know of a WoB about it being a coincidence that a guy named Felt shows up in both Mistborn and Stormlight? I swear I've seen it before, but can't currently find it due to the problematic nature of searching a database for the word "felt". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 On a WoB hunt regarding the character(s) named Felt. Anyone know of a WoB about it being a coincidence that a guy named Felt shows up in both Mistborn and Stormlight? I swear I've seen it before, but can't currently find it due to the problematic nature of searching a database for the word "felt". Try searching a topic "Felt the worldhopper". Do we know whether Autonomy is the only Shard on Taldain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagerunner Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Q: Is Bavadin the only shard on Taldain?A: He is the only shard on the planet. Q: Is he the sun? A: RAFO Q: Are there any other shards in the Taldain solar system?A: There is only one for that solar system. Source: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/6587-san-francisco-signing-audio/page-2#entry114024 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 The resourcefulness of those who search the WoB's never ceases to amaze me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sovereign Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 The resourcefulness of those who search the WoB's never ceases to amaze me. The scary part is when you start to just remember them; what signing/event/personalized book/etc they came from, and when they occurred. I'd say I'm around 60% on the WoBs on Theoryland... My memory is weird... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PallonianFire Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 The scary part is when you start to just remember them; what signing/event/personalized book/etc they came from, and when they occurred. I'd say I'm around 60% on the WoBs on Theoryland... My memory is weird... That's terrifying. I'm pretty good at WoT interview quotes, I couldn't tell you what signing or even tour a lot of them came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 The scary part is when you start to just remember them; what signing/event/personalized book/etc they came from, and when they occurred. I'd say I'm around 60% on the WoBs on Theoryland... My memory is weird...I just memorize the words. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asperity Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 Something that just hit me. So with the "Three of Sixteen ruled but now the Broken One reigns" quote. We have a safe assumption that it refers to Honor, Cultivation, and Odium, right? And based upon that, it's pretty much been confirmed that Odium is the current "ruler". But we don't know why Odium is considered broken, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondesu Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 Something that just hit me. So with the "Three of Sixteen ruled but now the Broken One reigns" quote. We have a safe assumption that it refers to Honor, Cultivation, and Odium, right? And based upon that, it's pretty much been confirmed that Odium is the current "ruler". But we don't know why Odium is considered broken, right? I have been thinking that it's actually Honor who rules, broken and shattered but still reigning. Odium is obviously still trapped and held back. jW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagerunner Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 If it weren't for the explicit statement (IIRC in one of Dalinar's visions) that "Odium reigns," I would agree with you wholeheartedly, Jondesu. Honor makes much more sense as the Broken One, since he's been actually shattered. It just seems like too straightforward a connection, without enough wiggle room on what "reigns" means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argel Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 Hmm, what about "broken" as in a horse? No longer running wild, now caught ("trained"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondesu Posted March 26, 2016 Report Share Posted March 26, 2016 If it weren't for the explicit statement (IIRC in one of Dalinar's visions) that "Odium reigns," I would agree with you wholeheartedly, Jondesu. Honor makes much more sense as the Broken One, since he's been actually shattered. It just seems like too straightforward a connection, without enough wiggle room on what "reigns" means. I had to go look that up to remind myself of the context. It was actually the Stormfather talking to Kaladin as he's riding the storm in his mind/vision while he sleeps (not when he's with the king and the others, but the time he's in the bunker and the bridgemen say he was trying to walk out into the storm). Because of that, I have to question the reliability of the statement that Odium reigns, since we know the Stormfather is broken mentally and may be wrong there. jW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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