Mid-Range Game 67: 'Twas the Night Before SA5

[Illwei]

14 minutes ago, neil the beguiled said:

why are ash and i on the same tier? and over aeoryi too?

edit:

nvm i cant read

your responses to my posts have been extremely insightful

EDIT:

Aman it's a few of your reads lists

Edited December 17, 2023 by Ooklil the Wei

[neil the beguiled]

2 minutes ago, Ooklil the Wei said:

your responses to my posts have been extremely insightful

im doing good at this highposter with no substance thing.

id disagree with that entirely if my last few logs werent mostly saying hello to you but i personallky think ive been putting a lot of input when i can in the game. but also meh. 

why did you decide to open the game shading half the active posters btw?

[Amanuensis he/him]

15 minutes ago, Ooklil the Wei said:

Aman it's a few of your reads lists

Huh. Interesting 

[Illwei]

5 minutes ago, neil the beguiled said:

why did you decide to open the game shading half the active posters btw?

Why do you choose to follow them blindly?

[neil the beguiled]

3 minutes ago, Ooklil the Wei said:

Why do you choose to follow them blindly?

[FONT=Comic Sans MS] i dont. [/FONT]

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this is a cruel world i live in.

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but like. i dunno its not as if ive been following people blaindly, ive been making my claims even if theyre not doing the best. i think kas isnt an elim but he also hasnt been reight either. and theres not much to say that i have been either, but like. i dunno. to say that ive been blindly sheeping is just wrong. i dont have any pelts to show for it but ive at least got one unflipped vote who isnt village.

Edited December 17, 2023 by neil the beguiled

[Aeoryi she/her]

2 hours ago, Ooklil the Wei said:

Whats up im not reading up i joined the losing team lets go guys

Currently, only the SK really is losing 

1 hour ago, Ooklil the Wei said:

Wow there's a lot to read up on and a lot of it is hard to read so I've done a skim and have chosen to responded to some things that aren't important at all

@Ookla the Resolute it was a blackout game in which the wincon was to, to quote: 

and the factions were, to quote:

Devo claimed calamity and at the very least I assumed that killing her was not neccessary, since the wincon was not along the lines of "Eliminate all threats" or "when only your faction is alive."

So yeah, that's how the solo faction won in that game, and it's still something i get tilted over to this day. hahah!!!!!!

I see potential in this one. Better formatting perhaps, some more graphics....and Aeoryi could be going places....

Also, To Kas.....

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Please tell me I'm not and never have been this bad....please...
Reading Aeoryi just........................

Too many quotes in one post, so uh I'm just gonna post this for now : )

EDIT:
meant to @Kasimir

Hi

Spoiler

I swear I am not a disappointment to both aman and Illwei 

 

3 hours ago, Coffeecat said:

Are you confident then that Araris is village?

No. I just am struggling to see a logical e!Araris team

[Coffeecat she/her]

6 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

No. I just am struggling to see a logical e!Araris team

Fair enough

Also Hiiii illweiiii

 

[Aeoryi she/her]

1 hour ago, Amanuensis said:

@Ooklil the Wei I recommend the bottom of this post for colorized VCs

Would help if I posted the post link @Ooklil the Wei

think to get the context you really have to read from here

@Ooklil the Wei

Basically, Aeoryi was being annoying and then Kas and Aman and JNV and Aeoryi voted on her and then she made a pointless potential elim teamslist that had a whole lot of Aman in it and then aman wasn't very happy about that and kas was conspiring at about midnight so when I woke up I basically told them i didn't have the capacity to defend myself if no ones listening and then coffee defended me by saying posting reads instead of defending is a strange thing to do and TKN backed them up kas tried to concinve them otherwise aman and kas then proceed to read aeo who has basically given up at this point but essentially bottom line is that aeoryi self-voted 2h to eod c1 and tied themselves with archer to prevent the death of Ash for no reason and that was probably enough but then kas argued that aeo would probably self vote no matter what and then TKN argues sk!Aeo may self vote but the raven sk kill seems to cruel to be her and then aman and kas talked about the self voting point until the IM Elandera came in and basically told people not to solely meta read someone and for a certain someone (aeo) to stop gamethrowing (to a degree) and don't be emotionally manipulative and then stuff happened, ash was going to get trained by aman and aeo but then we got sidetracked when we thought JNV was acting sus (which illwei agrees with) aeo makes some rough team comps around e!JNV then talks about their kindness in correlation to their evilness and then yeah kas and i voted on JNV and then i think that's when you came in

Any questions?

[Illwei]

yeah i have one question what on earth are you saying and why are you tagging me in it (/lh)

 

aeoryi i've like read the whole game so i don't understand if you're responding to something i've said or what

 

EDIT:

that all sounds super harsh but just assume its not

Edited December 17, 2023 by Ooklil the Wei

[Aeoryi she/her]

Just now, Ooklil the Wei said:

yeah i have one question what on earth are you saying and why are you tagging me in it (/lh)

 

aeoryi i've like read the whole game so i don't understand if you're responding to something i've said or what

Oh yeah no I really wanted to summarize the game

Anyways, what's your opinion on the C1/C2 eod trains?

Spoiler

I was going to call it Elim TMI but then decided against it

 

[Illwei]

5 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

Oh yeah no I really wanted to summarize the game

Anyways, what's your opinion on the C1/C2 eod trains?

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I was going to call it Elim TMI but then decided against it

 

What's Elim tmi and what were you gonna call that

Also don't understand anyone's response to my comment about aeo reminding me of me

I haven't looked a lot at the votes yet because when i do that i do that and it takes time and i thought i didn't have time but then i was gonna watch something with my gf and then she got mad at me like usual so now i'm not so here we are

EDIT:

I think that archer's death was bad but obv village motivated so no real conclusion on that

Edited December 17, 2023 by Ooklil the Wei

[Aeoryi she/her]

2 minutes ago, Ooklil the Wei said:

What's Elim tmi and what were you gonna call that

Also don't understand anyone's response to my comment about aeo reminding me of me

I haven't looked a lot at the votes yet because when i do that i do that and it takes time and i thought i didn't have time but then i was gonna watch something with my gf and then she got mad at me like usual so now i'm not so here we are

EDIT:

I think that archer's death was bad but obv village motivated so no real conclusion on that

Elim TMI is when your Elim friends tell you stuff and you know more inherently that other players. 

I have been referring to gut as Elim TMI this game

[Illwei]

1 minute ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

Elim TMI is when your Elim friends tell you stuff and you know more inherently that other players. 

I have been referring to gut as Elim TMI this game

ok well you did not understand my question so nvm

[Aeoryi she/her]

Just now, Ooklil the Wei said:

ok well you did not understand my question so nvm

What was your question anyway 

Oh I was going to say my Elim TMI says JNV is elim

[Illwei]

1 minute ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

What was your question anyway 

What were you going to call TMI and then decide not to

I simply do not have the energy to expand on every question i ask clearly in response to a statement made, especially today. So gn.

Edited December 17, 2023 by Ooklil the Wei

[Aeoryi she/her]

Just now, Ooklil the Wei said:

What were you going to call TMI and then decide not to

I simply do not have the energy to expand on every question i ask clearly in response to a statement made, especially today. So gn.

Sleep well

(I answered your question, it was merged)

2 minutes ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

 

Oh I was going to say my Elim TMI says JNV is elim

 

EDIT:

TKN lurking again

@Ookla the Bald what is your opinion on JNV 's e!meta? You were their latest Elim partner

[Aeoryi she/her]

Everyone is so quiet this cycle

ON the plus side, I've never immolated popcorn before this day

[Aeoryi she/her]

Happy rollovet! 

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

1 hour ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

Sleep well

(I answered your question, it was merged)

 

EDIT:

TKN lurking* again

@Ookla the Bald what is your opinion on JNV 's e!meta? You were their latest Elim partner

*reading and vote checking

/shrug

I was really out of it that game, so I don't really remember. They generally are more active when evil but rl's gonna rl.

So, I felt the votes today were weird and I looked at them under two suppositions, trying to find the elim teams. I know, nothing not done before, but it helped me and I think it can help all of us a little. 

C3's votes and who I think they point to. 

Spoiler

I supposed first, JNV is e!. It gave me pretty good results, looking at the vote movements. 

The disinterested voters really have to be at least one teammate. This is because there is no way JNV’s partner is one of me, Neil, Coffee, or Aman, because they would certainly double up to try to create a counter. That left the non-voters and the JNV voters. Kas is out, Aeoryi feels pretty village to me and I felt there wasn’t enough worry at the sudden train. That leaves Ash, Illwei, and Araris. I don't think Illwei comes in this slow as e/e with JNV. So therefore, if JNV is e, Ash and Araris seem the most likely teammates.

E!JNV=JNV, Ash, Araris team 

V!JNV was a good bit harder. I had to use a little bit less logic and a little bit more opinion, but in the end I felt comfortable with this conclusion:

Araris/Neil, 2 of (Illwei, Coffee, Aman, Ash) 

Illwei's slow start suggests a pairing with Araris rather than Neil, though vil!lwei is also quite likely. Coffee's park on Araris doesn't quite feel like a bus/distancing, though I would like some extra opinions on that. Aman feels like a brick wall I have no idea what to think, and Ash is a cop out.

Feel there's two teams here.

Neil, Ash, Coffee, (Aman? Replacing either Ash or Coffee)

Araris, Illwei, Coffee, (Again, Aman could replace either. I think there might be a slightly better chance of Aman here)

Of these three groupings, none are shared between all. Three appear twice, not counting Aman. Araris, Coffee, and Ash.

In conclusion, my elim team guesses are e!JNV=JNV, Araris, Ash, v!JNV=Neil, Ash, Coffee/Araris, Ash, Illwei. I think we should go one of Araris or JNV today, and as there is already a train on JNV, (Neil) I will join it. I would like to do the same thing going through with v/e!Araris, but I wouldn’t get any significant insight from this cycle, and I don't want to nor do I have the time to go through previous ones.

Here's my extra in-depth VC that I made for this.

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Aeoryi(Resolute) (1) Aman-1|4|, Kas-1|5|, Aeoryi(Resolute)-2|6|, JNV-1|7|

Coffee/Silber (0) Aeoryi(Resolute)-1|2|

Labyrinth/Alpha(929)/Illwei(Ooklil) (1) Neil-1|3|

Ash (1) Aeoryi(Resolute)-3|8|, Aman-2|13|, Aeoryi(Resolute)-5|14|

Araris (1) Coffee/Silber-1|1| Aeoryi(Resolute)-4|9|

JNV (3) Araris(Pookla)-1|9|, Kas-2|12|, Aeoryi(Resolute)-6|15|

Neil (1) TKN(Bald)-1|11|

 

[Aeoryi she/her]

Wait actually @Amanuensis why I am Elim to you

[Mat he/him]

1 hour ago, Ookla the Resolute said:

Happy rollovet! 

You were many hours late :P.

[Aeoryi she/her]

Just now, Ookla the Destined said:

You were many hours late :P.

Oh, while you're here MR GM sir, could we have a post-rollovet VC to celebrate?

[Kasimir he/him]

5 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

• Covfefe: Very wishy-washy and a bit of a doomsayer. Both of those things are red flags to me but Kas says it’s within their V-meta so /shrug

Honestly, for Coffee, my V lean was just based off the you push and one or two posts that felt very comfortable. I do think part of it is me feeling Coffee trips a few Creccio flags, so I'm being more careful there, but the point I want to make is Coffee is so far off meta at this point regardless of alignment I think we just gotta shrug and do what Coffee suggested - treat them as a new player. It's where I ended up mentally, even if it means that there is less of a baseline. There are reasons I'm okay with a Coffee secondary E!wise and suggested as much.

5 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

1. Aeo: I seriously don’t believe she’s Village at this juncture but again deferring to Kas’ judgment here

If you're right, you tell me 'I told you so' after the game for screwing over the Village I guess. I don't know bro I don't really trust my judgement anymore. Something sleep deprived something I guess. Last three games were disasters on stilts.

Kind of mentally at the place where we were begging Stick for death in MR56 because I feel like we're just going in loops. Or maybe this is just me waking up from a sleep schedule nuked to hell and back.

5 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

1. Kasimir: Very likely V, maybe SKas, but if E and misleading me I will cry

What happened to being happy if I've gotten over my Elim issues ?

It's not much consolation but I would be crying too because E!rand.

5 hours ago, Ooklil the Wei said:

TKN has been more villagery.

Can you share why you think so? I do feel that way vibe-wise but I'm concerned I'm not reading TKN right.

2 hours ago, Ookla the Bald said:

I was really out of it that game, so I don't really remember. They generally are more active when evil but rl's gonna rl.

That's my main concern wrt waking up to no response tbh.

@JNV Hey Quokka Buddy. If you're Village talk to me. I absolutely could be tunnelling and don't want you dead if I'm wrong  

2 hours ago, Ookla the Bald said:

Illwei's slow start suggests a pairing with Araris rather than Neil, though vil!lwei is also quite likely.

Can you share why?

2 hours ago, Ookla the Bald said:

Coffee's park on Araris doesn't quite feel like a bus/distancing, though I would like some extra opinions on that.

I lean tunnel (or I guess target locked mode if E!Araris) - I go back to Coffee's post on Araris last cycle which just more or less assumed E!Araris and sussed Aeo on the basis of E!Araris. I don't think there was ever working shown and normally your post goes "Here's why X is Evil" not "X is Evil, also Y looks Evil because of X" when voting for X.

If you read Coffee charitably, then Araris is sus because of Aeo, but this properly means Coffee should be pushing Aeo, not Araris, and his backing down on Aeo is weird.

I'm going to just blow up the post here, because I think it's worth highlighting:

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Cash: votes wiz for being the last one alive to vote Archer

Aeoryi: votes araris without apparent reason

Kasmir: votes me as hedging(?)

Coffee: i voted wiz some time here to have them as a vote somewhere

wiz: votes araris due to them also voting Archer?

Aeoryi:votes TKN due to lurking

Neil: votes Araris for no real reason

Kas: switches from me to Cash due to me being so nice and smart

Coffee: i switched to a more formulated vote on aman

Aeoryi: votes on Devo? Again i struggle to see their reasoning. SUS

In context, this is the bit where Aeo calls Devo Villagery for voting EoD on her, until I pointed out that Devo always votes EoD and I struggle to see the basis of any alignment ascription there unless Aeo's gonna flip red. (You could argue about the late voters sus thing sure but Devo always votes EoD so realistically, it wasn't going to go anywhere.) I agree with Coffee on this one, but am unsure if I'm being overcharitable, cf. Coffee actually just accusing Aeo for lacking reasoning.

Worth asking as well why the switch to Devo without reasoning is sus but the other unreasoned votes don't trigger Coffee IMO.

Cash: switches to Devo as well?

Devo: votes cash due to not liking being voted on

Kas: relatively baseless but ok vote on Araris, although it does move araris to the lead

Aeoryi: switches to cash again, putting them on three like Araris. Im starting to believe araris and Aeoryi are elims, with this vote being to take some heat off of araris.

To be charitable, you can class this as a statement sus of both Aeo and Araris, but IMO it's purely an Aeo sus: it just says, Aeo sus, vote likely to take pressure off Araris, therefore Araris also sus.

Coffee: take my vote off of amaunensis cause i dont think they are as suspicious any more

Aman: votes on bald to get a reaction

Aeoryi: votes on Bald, switching off of cash due to being a returning player. They cite Araris being a suspicion on all their configurations, yet dont vote them. Again i am sus

Fair observation that Aeo susses Araris repeatedly but doesn't vote him. This is colour-coded as an Aeo sus.

Cash: switches to vote on Wiz

Aman: vote to araris, makes me lean vill on aman

Aeoryi: votes on cash, quote ??? im REALLLLY sus of this, especially since immediately after…

Sus of Aeo.

Araris: votes on cash as well, putting himself on a tie. Really feels like a desperate elim play to save themselves from death, since they probably asked Aeoryi help in the doc.

I'm classing this as a statement just sus of Araris, but it boils down to: sus for self-pres and on the basis of hypothesised connection with Aeo.

And with that its over for now… im soooooo sus of Araris and Aeoryi

edit: kas was not voting on araris? im kinda dum ok

Like...what's the point of that entire post as analysis? I've colour-coded it: pinkish is Araris sus, mint is Aeo sus, orange is both, please don't take them as my thoughts on their alignment, I'm tired and just wanted colours that didn't look like hell on the colour-picker.

Counting just off colour codes (grey bold are my comments): 2 Araris sus : 4 Aeo sus therefore vote Araris.

You could argue Coffee was being pragmatic but they're clearly not today.

I think the most charitable read here is Aeo sus, therefore Araris sus, but the 'therefore' is doing a lot of work because of order of implication here: if your evidential basis for E!Araris is E!Aeo, whom your analysis is showing sus af the Village move here is to exe Aeo, not Araris, and then go for Araris if Aeo flips E.

Anyway I'm linking the OG post.

I think the question is, could this be gerrymandered? Maybe, IDK. The fact the conclusions don't fit the reasoning is kinda just weird to me. 

2 hours ago, Ookla the Bald said:

Aman feels like a brick wall I have no idea what to think

Still with V Aman for now but acknowledge I could just be pocketed af and too tired to care.

Edited December 17, 2023 by Kasimir

[Ashbringer he/him]

Aaaaaand I need to actually be awake in the morning tomorrow so I ran out of time. Smh. That's more on me than my schedule though.

[Kasimir he/him]

18 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

Aaaaaand I need to actually be awake in the morning tomorrow so I ran out of time. Smh. That's more on me than my schedule though.

>>

bro ilu but also

All the best with RL!

Edited to add:

VC according to Tallybot:

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Vote Tally
JNV (5): Amanuensis, Kasimir, Ookla the Bald, Ookla the Resolute, Winnie the Pookla
Araris Valerian (1): Coffeecat
Aeoryi (1): JNV
Illwei (1): neil the beguiled

Dislike dominance of JNV train, willing to sit a bit more, unsure. Really would like to hear from @JNV rn because something feels off and JNV was on Shard earlier so lack of JNV presence isn't reassuring.

Edited to add:

Honestly, is it worth just exeing Ash rn.

He's gonna be a crapshoot at lylo at this rate if we end up there (sorry Ash, but at this point, I am no longer confident you'll be able to get back into the game as backlog continues to increase with each cycle) and it feels like I'm forced to either accept him as maybe Village or to be forced to make a decision on pretty much frick-all at lylo.

(I'm not an optimist I guess and after more sleep am now more pessimistic about whether I'm right on JNV.)

Admit my frustration with the situation may be bleeding through - understand about RL but there's only a point to which you can issue promissary notes you can't cash.

Edited December 17, 2023 by Kasimir