Long Game 97: Midnight Whimsy

[Archer he/him]

1 hour ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Why’d you sign up if you’re too bored of blackout games to play C1 :P. /s

I posted a VC like an hour before the cycle ended :P. Good point on Szeth. I didn’t use mine so I can’t help with that, though.

Eh, that’s too quick of a clear imo. Elims can be bored too.

Oop. I never saw that post, I think I was writing a post when you posted it and then immediately left to go eat turkey 

 

I've got a soft theory that the elims wouldn't want to assume that exing Szeth would work, so they'd make sure the second wagon was acceptable. But unless Devo was reacting to the pressure on DeTess, I don't think anyone cared, based on the late round lack of vote movement. 

21 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

Wait Wait the turn ends today? Uh... @Szeth_Pancakes is this correct?

SMH the GM is a liar, we've established this 

 

Araris, did you receive a PM from Mark? 

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

1 hour ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Devo, what was your reason?

Agreed with the position that it's overall good for vanillagers to pass magic, and voted for the person who opposed this over the person who endorsed it.

[Mark IV he/him]

1 hour ago, Archer said:

Araris, did you receive a PM from Mark?

Nop

[Szeth Pancakes he/they]

1 hour ago, Aeoryi said:

Wait Wait the turn ends today? Uh... @Szeth_Pancakes is this correct?

No. Fixed o.0

[Archer he/him]

1 hour ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

Agreed with the position that it's overall good for vanillagers to pass magic, and voted for the person who opposed this over the person who endorsed it.

For the benefit of newer players, Devo has a reputation for late round voting, so I'm not jumping to any conclusions relating to the timing of the vote. I don't love the choice, but I realize that I had the benefit of a PM interaction with them that seemed villagey. 

Fun fact! I lost my ability to complain next turn after submitting one on Szeth. Either it went through and was added to his tally or it was burnt doing nothing. 

Bonus fact: my PM with Experience is closed, implying they're super dead

[Aeoryi she/her]

14 minutes ago, Archer said:

For the benefit of newer players, Devo has a reputation for late round voting, so I'm not jumping to any conclusions relating to the timing of the vote. I don't love the choice, but I realize that I had the benefit of a PM interaction with them that seemed villagey. 

Fun fact! I lost my ability to complain next turn after submitting one on Szeth. Either it went through and was added to his tally or it was burnt doing nothing. 

Bonus fact: my PM with Experience is closed, implying they're super dead

i'm submitting a complaint on szeth then as well. My pm with xp is still open...

[Szeth Pancakes he/they]

3 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

i'm submitting a complaint on szeth then as well. My pm with xp is still open...

It is most definitely not ;P

[Aeoryi she/her]

1 minute ago, Szeth_Pancakes said:

It is most definitely not ;P

now it isn't

huh coulda sworn it was open ages an hour ago.

Also do we get to know exp's role (if he had one).

1 hour ago, Mark IV said:

Nop

I'm confused why this is relevant...

maybe they recieved a doc labelled elim...

25 minutes ago, Archer said:

For the benefit of newer players, Devo has a reputation for late round voting, so I'm not jumping to any conclusions relating to the timing of the vote. I don't love the choice, but I realize that I had the benefit of a PM interaction with them that seemed villagey. 

Fun fact! I lost my ability to complain next turn after submitting one on Szeth. Either it went through and was added to his tally or it was burnt doing nothing. 

Bonus fact: my PM with Experience is closed, implying they're super dead

 i mean regardless of past players can switch they're playstyle so.

[Mark IV he/him]

21 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

I'm confused why this is relevant...

Because I said something in our PM and I believe Archer wanted to confirm if I was ... behaving consistently with my statements. 

That's just my guess. 

Maybe it had something to do with Araris' vote on me last cycle instead. 

[Aeoryi she/her]

Just now, Mark IV said:

Because I said something in our PM and I believe Archer wanted to confirm if I was ... behaving consistently with my statements. 

That's just my guess. 

Maybe it had something to do with Araris' vote on me last cycle instead. 

Wait- can you PM me? It might be better to talk there.

 

[DeTess she/her]

Okay, nearly got sniped by the exe D1, so this is a promising start of the game. Historically speaking this would mean Mat is an elim, but I'll try to look closer at vote shenanigans later.

I'm getting worrying vibes from Aeoryi. They seem to be playing quite different from last game. Maybe its just the early pressure on them, but it might also be an elim tell.

Archer is also giving me worrying vibes. His focus on Szeth here feels like it might be a smokescreen? I usually get bad vibes from Archer though.

@Archerif you had gotten confirmed you couldn't exe Szeth, who would you have voted?

[Aeoryi she/her]

1 hour ago, DeTess said:

Okay, nearly got sniped by the exe D1, so this is a promising start of the game. Historically speaking this would mean Mat is an elim, but I'll try to look closer at vote shenanigans later.

I'm getting worrying vibes from Aeoryi. They seem to be playing quite different from last game. Maybe its just the early pressure on them, but it might also be an elim tell.

Archer is also giving me worrying vibes. His focus on Szeth here feels like it might be a smokescreen? I usually get bad vibes from Archer though.

@Archerif you had gotten confirmed you couldn't exe Szeth, who would you have voted?

I mean chances are exing the gm does nothing 4 the game. Maybe someting for elims. Archer being like elim is like saying that tkn is a neutral sking kandra.

Im not defending archer here since its archer but ngl i could se devo being elim over archer.

unfamiliar with smokescreen.

Mat being elim- I would say unlikely but if he's village gonna bet he's getting nk'd.

or maybe people would say stuff so that way we can read them that woyld be nice.

Lets try not to exe stink d2 please this time. Unless something spills outta him. 

In hindsight i prob shoulda voted szeth but exp was a bit strange 2 me smh.

[DeTess she/her]

19 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

 

unfamiliar with smokescreen.

What I meant was that it seems Archer is using it as a talking point to avoid having to look critically at the actual players. I've seen him make a number of comments village reading players but no suspicions beyond his Szeth vote, which made me wonder if he was purposely avoiding putting suspicions of players out there.

 

Regarding Mat, in a number of previous games I almost got exed D1, and the one responsible for either putting me in the lead or the tie was always an elim. I don't have any proper suspicions of Mat yet, but want to look at the votes to eee if anything can be gleaned from it later.

[Aeoryi she/her]

1 minute ago, DeTess said:

What I meant was that it seems Archer is using it as a talking point to avoid having to look critically at the actual players. I've seen him make a number of comments village reading players but no suspicions beyond his Szeth vote, which made me wonder if he was purposely avoiding putting suspicions of players out there.

 

Regarding Mat, in a number of previous games I almost got exed D1, and the one responsible for either putting me in the lead or the tie was always an elim. I don't have any proper suspicions of Mat yet, but want to look at the votes to eee if anything can be gleaned from it later.

but i mean there aren't many players to be suspiscios of since most are in hiding (but shall come out to submit the nk prob)

I for one cannot think of many suspiscious players besides:

Devo

Szeth

Frusteration

 

thats all but mainly szeth. too elimmy for my likeing :p. 

 

[Archer he/him]

2 hours ago, Mark IV said:

Because I said something in our PM and I believe Archer wanted to confirm if I was ... behaving consistently with my statements. 

That's just my guess. 

Maybe it had something to do with Araris' vote on me last cycle instead. 

I had a theory that Araris received a similar PM to mine and used it as the basis of their vote. I was too lazy to make a PM to ask Araris it directly / was looking for ways to drag Araris into the spotlight more anyway. 

2 hours ago, DeTess said:

 

@Archerif you had gotten confirmed you couldn't exe Szeth, who would you have voted?

My hazy perception of the game state was that it was 1. Szeth 2. Me   and there was a solid chance the Szeth votes would be ignored. I was okay with this. Combination of low bandwidth, frustration with the game format, and confidence being exed wasn't permadeath had me not really caring. If I'd suspected anyone, I might have made a push, but I didn't. 

Experience was a dropped ball that I regret allowing, so I'm going to try to do some poking in the near future. Just haven't gotten to that groove yet. 

One thing that bothers me right now is how many one on one PMs I've received. They're unrestricted, aren't they? Y'all should be more efficient 

[Aeoryi she/her]

27 minutes ago, Archer said:

I had a theory that Araris received a similar PM to mine and used it as the basis of their vote. I was too lazy to make a PM to ask Araris it directly / was looking for ways to drag Araris into the spotlight more anyway. 

My hazy perception of the game state was that it was 1. Szeth 2. Me   and there was a solid chance the Szeth votes would be ignored. I was okay with this. Combination of low bandwidth, frustration with the game format, and confidence being exed wasn't permadeath had me not really caring. If I'd suspected anyone, I might have made a push, but I didn't. 

Experience was a dropped ball that I regret allowing, so I'm going to try to do some poking in the near future. Just haven't gotten to that groove yet. 

One thing that bothers me right now is how many one on one PMs I've received. They're unrestricted, aren't they? Y'all should be more efficient 

hey, i haven't pm'd anyone yet and i have recieved.

nah you just need to use pms better silly

[STINK he/him]

The boosters have lost the fight against my mighty and powerful immune system, so what's up peeps

I will try to read through the D1 thread and get back on top of things and then just my usual things I guess idk really

Wishing you all a good Tuesday

[Frustration]

I think the Szeth votes counting is a good sign we were on to something.

I'd also note the continued use of emoticons.

[DeTess she/her]

So, I've been looking back a bit over the votes last night, but without many flips yet it's difficult to draw any solid conclusions. I initially thought there would be something useful there because of the three-way tie before devotary broke it, but Szeth is highly unlikely to be an elim, given that he's the GM.

I don't really like how Mat threw me into the tie without any explanation though. @Matrim's Dicesome explanation of that vote and/or the PoE you posted would be nice.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Unless Szeth is Affected, there doesn't seem to be any reason to try and exe him. My first reaction is that elims wouldn't consider seriously voting the GM right away. But it could be done as a  joke or a reaction to a villager doing it. If the GM isn't elim then exeing him is just a free turn for the elims to send in another NK. So far I haven't seen any indication that the game can't be won by exing all the elims in the normal way.

[Mat he/him]

Archer dodged DeTess' question, noted.

 

1 hour ago, DeTess said:

I don't really like how Mat threw me into the tie without any explanation though. @Matrim's Dicesome explanation of that vote and/or the PoE you posted would be nice.

Sure

Village reads--

Aeoryi: I actually agree that they're playing differently from their first game, but given I aggressively pushed them at the start of the turn that sort of makes sense to me. I don't like their voting patterns, but again from their PoV it makes some sense. The main reason for my read, though, is their response to my accusation-- they shut down, immediately gave up, and gave off a sense of annoyance that I think follows a villager mindset much more than an elim one. Them later citing Exp's misdirection as a reason to vote him I think also follows this villager mindset. I'm slightly skeptical of that last part though because someone said that it was Aeoryi's idea to gambit around me? @Aeoryi can you clear up exactly who's plan it was to do the gambit around PMing me

JNV: PM vibes. They've been free with info and nice to chat with, if a bit inactive >> I don't like the Szeth vote, honestly, but early interactions look good imo

Archer: Been solvy in PMs and I like the angles he's been pushing in thread. I think Araris is right in that elims probably wouldn't launch into trying to exe the GM, and I think Archer's hyperfocus on that is a village mindset. 

PoE--

Experience: Had him in my PoE because I really wasn't sure, but I don't think I ever was going to vote him. PM vibes were mostly good and I trusted Archer's PM vibes as well. I think I also had him in my PoE because I didn't love his reaction to my accusation, but that obviously was a bad read :joy:

DeTess: I disagreed with your reason to vote Exp, mostly, so it was kind of a Mark sheep. I thought Exp's statement was fair, and that it was obvious he wasn't advocating not passing magic altogether and instead was just noting the possibility of giving the elims more power, which is an understandable worry imo. I preferred your exe to Exp's and while I was mildly interested in what would happen if Szeth got exed I wasn't going to vote there, so tying it up seemed like the best choice given my Exp paranoia and my read of you.

Frustration: I hate when people read people as elim because "it seems like they're being coached" but it kiiiinda feels like Frustration is being coached xD His Aeoryi vote just felt so out of left field and I don't think his explanation for it actually made sense. I just don't know where it came from. @Frustration can you respond to this post please and thank you

TKN: Threw him in there because of engagement (or lack thereof). No real read but I feel like he should play more

Speaking of which @STINK glad you're feeling better but can you backread and make some reads, that'd be great to do thanks! :D. :D. :D.

Anyway hopefully that helps, I gtg go do calc now unfortunately, have fun yall

 

[Archer he/him]

2 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Archer dodged DeTess' question, noted.

 

Sure

Village reads--

Aeoryi: I actually agree that they're playing differently from their first game, but given I aggressively pushed them at the start of the turn that sort of makes sense to me. I don't like their voting patterns, but again from their PoV it makes some sense. The main reason for my read, though, is their response to my accusation-- they shut down, immediately gave up, and gave off a sense of annoyance that I think follows a villager mindset much more than an elim one. Them later citing Exp's misdirection as a reason to vote him I think also follows this villager mindset. I'm slightly skeptical of that last part though because someone said that it was Aeoryi's idea to gambit around me? @Aeoryi can you clear up exactly who's plan it was to do the gambit around PMing me

JNV: PM vibes. They've been free with info and nice to chat with, if a bit inactive >> I don't like the Szeth vote, honestly, but early interactions look good imo

Archer: Been solvy in PMs and I like the angles he's been pushing in thread. I think Araris is right in that elims probably wouldn't launch into trying to exe the GM, and I think Archer's hyperfocus on that is a village mindset. 

PoE--

Experience: Had him in my PoE because I really wasn't sure, but I don't think I ever was going to vote him. PM vibes were mostly good and I trusted Archer's PM vibes as well. I think I also had him in my PoE because I didn't love his reaction to my accusation, but that obviously was a bad read :joy:

DeTess: I disagreed with your reason to vote Exp, mostly, so it was kind of a Mark sheep. I thought Exp's statement was fair, and that it was obvious he wasn't advocating not passing magic altogether and instead was just noting the possibility of giving the elims more power, which is an understandable worry imo. I preferred your exe to Exp's and while I was mildly interested in what would happen if Szeth got exed I wasn't going to vote there, so tying it up seemed like the best choice given my Exp paranoia and my read of you.

Frustration: I hate when people read people as elim because "it seems like they're being coached" but it kiiiinda feels like Frustration is being coached xD His Aeoryi vote just felt so out of left field and I don't think his explanation for it actually made sense. I just don't know where it came from. @Frustration can you respond to this post please and thank you

TKN: Threw him in there because of engagement (or lack thereof). No real read but I feel like he should play more

Speaking of which @STINK glad you're feeling better but can you backread and make some reads, that'd be great to do thanks! :D. :D. :D.

Anyway hopefully that helps, I gtg go do calc now unfortunately, have fun yall

 

I answered the question! I wouldn't have changed a thing. If you want to know who I'd vote besides Szeth, probably would have stabbed Araris. No reason to trust them and I don't feel bad doing it because their vote was pretty underexplained iirc. That said, revealing your item theme that early in the game isn't very e!Ararisy. Pretty sure he's slow to claim when evil. 

Exp told me they and Aoeryi both were interested in doing a shenanigan, but Aeoryi came up with the plan.

+1 on JNV being free with info and me getting good vibes from it, although it could be because they're info fishing with little to lose. There's too many people PMing me for them all to be village and I'm trying to spot the mole. 

Mat, was your DeTess vote influenced by the fact that by adding to Mark's, it had weight, or would you have done it independently? 

 

[Frustration]

20 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Frustration: I hate when people read people as elim because "it seems like they're being coached" but it kiiiinda feels like Frustration is being coached xD His Aeoryi vote just felt so out of left field and I don't think his explanation for it actually made sense. I just don't know where it came from. @Frustration can you respond to this post please and thank you

Yeah I was looking at that earlier.

 

For some reason I cannot find the post in question. I can find XP saying not to pass Investiture because it might go to Elims, but I cannot find the response post, but I am sure it was there.

 

Though I do have to say I find it interesting that you find my vote out of left field when you were the one pushing me to vote.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

Hi, I'm here. Not super liking Aeoryi right now, but I think this is probably just how they are.

Otherwise, don't really have any other thoughts. I guess I like Mat, he feels like he's in his v!meta. But that's about it. 

[Mat he/him]

27 minutes ago, Archer said:

Mat, was your DeTess vote influenced by the fact that by adding to Mark's, it had weight, or would you have done it independently? 

I probably would have voted there anyway, because I have a DeTess/Frustration team theory, but Mark's vote certainly didn't hurt.

15 minutes ago, Frustration said:

For some reason I cannot find the post in question. I can find XP saying not to pass Investiture because it might go to Elims, but I cannot find the response post, but I am sure it was there.

I'm not :eyes:

15 minutes ago, Frustration said:

Though I do have to say I find it interesting that you find my vote out of left field when you were the one pushing me to vote.

The fact that you voted wasn't out of left field, but who it was on felt that way. From your play so far I hadn't expected the kind of vote you gave.

Edited October 10, 2023 by Matrim's Dice