Long Game 97: Midnight Whimsy

[Experience he/him]

6 hours ago, DeTess said:

I don't like this comment. It seems intended to discourage vanillagers from using the action they have, which in turn nerfs any village mages. Meanwhile, any elim mages will have built in support from any vanillas in their team.

For now, experience.

I fail to see how this nerfs village mages? Like yes, village mages could do more if we all gave them the magic, but we just don't know if someone is village or not. I'm not sure the chances of passing magic to an elim is worth trying to pass it to a village mage. In the initial rules, there's no way to confirm someone as villager, which means we probably don't want to be passing magic to others until late game when we're desperate. I think they should still be farming magic (or whatever that action is called) to have it just in case though.

[Mat he/him]

Frustration 

Szeth_Pancakes

 

[DeTess she/her]

25 minutes ago, Experience said:

I fail to see how this nerfs village mages? Like yes, village mages could do more if we all gave them the magic, but we just don't know if someone is village or not. I'm not sure the chances of passing magic to an elim is worth trying to pass it to a village mage. In the initial rules, there's no way to confirm someone as villager, which means we probably don't want to be passing magic to others until late game when we're desperate. I think they should still be farming magic (or whatever that action is called) to have it just in case though.

Hmmm, I'm really not seeing where you're coming from here. Sure, we can't hard clear anyone, but that doesn't mean people can't form reads and stuff, and I think it'd be better to gather magic and pass it to someone you trust then basically do nothing. Sure, there's a risk of passing to an elim, but if they then proceed to do elimy things with the power that will be an important clue in its own right.

[Aeoryi she/her]

8 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Slight evil lean on Aeoryi for caring so much about their death (but also you’re self voting so ???)

Slight evil lean on me for being hypocritical  but no I think there is a difference between defending yourself to an extreme and simply caring about the vote state without doing anything about it 

Do you want me to simply not care about my death? Either:

• i get called elim and dont die
• i die anyway if i don't defend myself

Experience

to save myself.

10 minutes ago, DeTess said:

Hmmm, I'm really not seeing where you're coming from here. Sure, we can't hard clear anyone, but that doesn't mean people can't form reads and stuff, and I think it'd be better to gather magic and pass it to someone you trust then basically do nothing. Sure, there's a risk of passing to an elim, but if they then proceed to do elimy things with the power that will be an important clue in its own right.

there r ways to do elim tings w/out seeming elim.

i am going to mention kill action now pls don't kill me

if they don't use the magic w/out reason they prob submitted kill order. so if they do any action then they are proven vil@age right? 

im to tired to add caveats to my righting its 1 am pls help

[Mat he/him]

46 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

Do you want me to simply not care about my death? Either:

• i get called elim and dont die
• i die anyway if i don't defend myself

Experience

to save myself.

You weren't defending yourself though. You gave up, immediately self voted, and asked multiple times about the votestate. That looks weird from my PoV, but I'm willing to give it a pass because I think your reaction to my vote leans village.

I don't think Exp is elim atm, and I don't think self pres is necessary. Why the vote? 

[Experience he/him]

Aren't most of the votes on myself and Szeth anyway? 

How many hours do we have until rollover?

[Frustration]

20 minutes ago, Experience said:

Aren't most of the votes on myself and Szeth anyway? 

How many hours do we have until rollover?

It's 5:30 PDT, so 8 hours ish.

[Mat he/him]

11 minutes ago, Frustration said:

It's 5:30 PDT, so 8 hours ish.

Any thoughts on any of the players?

[Frustration]

26 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Any thoughts on any of the players?

Everyone is jumping to accuse someone, so I can't get anything there.

Honestly this is a lot harder when you can't see faces...

XP seems trustworthy, going for the cautious route of avoiding helping the Elims, while DeTess seems to downplay the risk of helping them...

I'm still not sure enough to vote any which way.

[Aeoryi she/her]

7 minutes ago, Frustration said:

Everyone is jumping to accuse someone, so I can't get anything there.

Honestly this is a lot harder when you can't see faces...

XP seems trustworthy, going for the cautious route of avoiding helping the Elims, while DeTess seems to downplay the risk of helping them...

I'm still not sure enough to vote any which way.

v0te szeth

[Experience he/him]

That won't actually do anything. 

@Szeth_Pancakes can you confirm.

Honestly feels somewhat like an elim ploy to seem to be voting but not giving any information.

Gut feeling that one of mat or Archer could be elim. Archer ig

[Archer he/him]

Theory: you can tell when Szeth is in "RP GM" mode by whether they use emoticons. Eg. :/, :). Etc. Can anyone disprove this based on their experiences? 

Szeth tried to dissuade Devo from pursuing the heavy complaints strategy, and we know they're a bastard GM, so my instinct is that we should pay more attention to that. But as Devo points out, if exing and complaints have an identical effect, the game will be very short. My guess is everyone has two lives (real person and character - character work being a special request from the GM, likely to emphasize the difference) and we need to end both lives. We should be able to test this by checking whether the exe victim today stays in thread. But we shouldn't test this on willing villagers in case that chips away at how many lives we have. 

In the early game, I'd like to test out voting and complaining about Szeth in case that's a secret wincon. And because I trust the gambit twins Aeoryi and Experience (more so Experience because I've seen first hand them act game solvey), and Mat, who seems willing to get rid of mix candidates by being trusting. Bad elim strat, that is. DeTess seems normal too. And Devo did analysis publicly they could have done privately. Really don't feel like murdering anyone, honestly 

Edit: this is what I get for saying nice things about XP :O. 

Edited October 9, 2023 by Archer

[Aeoryi she/her]

5 minutes ago, Experience said:

That won't actually do anything. 

@Szeth_Pancakes can you confirm.

Honestly feels somewhat like an elim ploy to seem to be voting but not giving any information.

Gut feeling that one of mat or Archer could be elim. Archer ig

said the 1 still votin in me- oh wait

3 minutes ago, Archer said:

Theory: you can tell when Szeth is in "RP GM" mode by whether they use emoticons. Eg. :/, :). Etc. Can anyone disprove this based on their experiences? 

Szeth tried to dissuade Devo from pursuing the heavy complaints strategy, and we know they're a bastard GM, so my instinct is that we should pay more attention to that. But as Devo points out, if exing and complaints have an identical effect, the game will be very short. My guess is everyone has two lives (real person and character - character work being a special request from the GM, likely to emphasize the difference) and we need to end both lives. We should be able to test this by checking whether the exe victim today stays in thread. But we shouldn't test this on willing villagers in case that chips away at how many lives we have. 

In the early game, I'd like to test out voting and complaining about Szeth in case that's a secret wincon. And because I trust the gambit twins Aeoryi and Experience (more so Experience because I've seen first hand them act game solvey), and Mat, who seems willing to get rid of mix candidates by being trusting. Bad elim strat, that is. DeTess seems normal too. And Devo did analysis publicly they could have done privately. Really don't feel like murdering anyone, honestly 

then which life does the eliminatrr kill? irl or rp live?

[Experience he/him]

3 minutes ago, Archer said:

Theory: you can tell when Szeth is in "RP GM" mode by whether they use emoticons. Eg. :/, :). Etc. Can anyone disprove this based on their experiences? 

Szeth tried to dissuade Devo from pursuing the heavy complaints strategy, and we know they're a bastard GM, so my instinct is that we should pay more attention to that. But as Devo points out, if exing and complaints have an identical effect, the game will be very short. My guess is everyone has two lives (real person and character - character work being a special request from the GM, likely to emphasize the difference) and we need to end both lives. We should be able to test this by checking whether the exe victim today stays in thread. But we shouldn't test this on willing villagers in case that chips away at how many lives we have. 

In the early game, I'd like to test out voting and complaining about Szeth in case that's a secret wincon. And because I trust the gambit twins Aeoryi and Experience (more so Experience because I've seen first hand them act game solvey), and Mat, who seems willing to get rid of mix candidates by being trusting. Bad elim strat, that is. DeTess seems normal too. And Devo did analysis publicly they could have done privately. Really don't feel like murdering anyone, honestly 

Edit: this is what I get for saying nice things about XP :O. 

Ok yeah it was bad timing. But this seems very counterintuitive. You stress the fact that we need to kill someone to know if they are still irl but in game.

Then you end it all off with "actually no I don't want to kill anyone"

Like. Not lynching is one of the most useless things we can do. It's one of the villages only tools. If you don't want to lynch those listed, why not vote on someone less active rather than nobody at all?

[Mat he/him]

33 minutes ago, Experience said:

Like. Not lynching is one of the most useless things we can do. It's one of the villages only tools. If you don't want to lynch those listed, why not vote on someone less active rather than nobody at all?

Counterpoint: Szeth isn't nobody. He's a GM who has lied to us :P.

I don't like your Archer vote because it's based mainly on a disagreement of principle. Sure, you can say an elim would look for an easy way out of voting, but that's not how Archer plays.

Mark

[Experience he/him]

10 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Counterpoint: Szeth isn't nobody. He's a GM who has lied to us :P.

I don't like your Archer vote because it's based mainly on a disagreement of principle. Sure, you can say an elim would look for an easy way out of voting, but that's not how Archer plays.

Mark

Meh.

I'll leave my vote on him for the time being. I don't see any better options atm

[Mark IV he/him]

21 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

I'm setting up an Aman gambit and betting "Removed" and "Killed" are very different.

What'd Aman do this time? 

14 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

PSA I likely will be using my complaints as a CC

 

CC = crowd control = killing inactive players? 

12 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Slight evil lean on Aeoryi for caring so much about their death (but also you’re self voting so ???)

 

Honestly, Aeoryi's self vote and activity initially made me think they could have been trying to die quickly. But their posts since, in self defence, make me think it was more for activity and to see reactions. Mild village read here, for me.

11 hours ago, DeTess said:

I don't like this comment. It seems intended to discourage vanillagers from using the action they have, which in turn nerfs any village mages. Meanwhile, any elim mages will have built in support from any vanillas in their team.

 

I agree with your opinion on the advice, and I feel pointing out that villagers might make mistakes and pass investiture is mostly just stating the obvious. However, it does tell me something vague about Exp here. Not sure what I can conclude from this yet. More concretely though, it feels too outrightly elim-y for an elim to actually try suggesting the village not do anything, you know? Gives me more of a village read on Exp as well. Maybe just not a "vanillager" (funny term XD).

4 hours ago, Archer said:

I will be submitting a Complaint and vote against Szeth this round. Mostly interested in how player-like their positionality is. Also too busy today to start from scratch with my game playing mindset based on the new info. 

Experience 

Szeth_Pancakes

The last time the GM was lynched, I remember hearing bad things happened. But maybe this time won't be that bad. Maybe we'll just make fools out of ourselves. Regardless though, seems more counter productive for the village, given our win-con is literally "when all of the Affected are defeated". Unless the GM's affected

But yeah, Szeth's name's not gonna go in red for me

 

1 hour ago, Frustration said:

Everyone is jumping to accuse someone, so I can't get anything there.

 

But is anyone jumping to defend anyone? I'll have the go over the votes once, if I have the time. Else could someone make a vote tally counting vote changes as well?

 

59 minutes ago, Archer said:

Theory: you can tell when Szeth is in "RP GM" mode by whether they use emoticons. Eg. :/, :). Etc. Can anyone disprove this based on their experiences? 

Szeth tried to dissuade Devo from pursuing the heavy complaints strategy, and we know they're a bastard GM, so my instinct is that we should pay more attention to that. But as Devo points out, if exing and complaints have an identical effect, the game will be very short. My guess is everyone has two lives (real person and character - character work being a special request from the GM, likely to emphasize the difference) and we need to end both lives. We should be able to test this by checking whether the exe victim today stays in thread. But we shouldn't test this on willing villagers in case that chips away at how many lives we have. 

I won't confirm the exact words of my GM PM, but Szeth did use emoticons in our GM PM and gave me a straight-forward answer to a mildly tautological question I asked. I think that might just be the GM being the GM. Can't be sure though, that's just my two cents.

Testing your theory on "unwilling" (I assume by that you mean inactive ?) villagers might not net us information if the villager stays inactive for another cycle, no? I'm not saying we should exe/complain out an active villager, just that either way, we'd be taking a risk. Unless you mean something else by "willing" villager (given that active villagers might also be unwilling).

Continuing:

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In the early game, I'd like to test out voting and complaining about Szeth in case that's a secret wincon. And because I trust the gambit twins Aeoryi and Experience (more so Experience because I've seen first hand them act game solvey), and Mat, who seems willing to get rid of mix candidates by being trusting. Bad elim strat, that is. DeTess seems normal too. And Devo did analysis publicly they could have done privately. Really don't feel like murdering anyone, honestly 

Why are they gambit twins? Is that from this game? Or some previous game?
Elims can act game solvey, especially if they don't know some of the game mechanics either. And especially so if they do know some mechanics that the village doesn't. Unless this is also a reference to something not from this game. 

What's a mix candidate? 

18 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Mark

Because inactivity or because of something else? Cause I'm right here typing out this post :3

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I need to make another pass over the thread to see what stands out (and to decide on my vote), but for now these are my thoughts. 

 

Edited October 9, 2023 by Mark IV
Typo fix

[Aeoryi she/her]

3 minutes ago, Mark IV said:

What'd Aman do this time? 

CC = crowd control = killing inactive players? 

Honestly, Aeoryi's self vote and activity initially made me think they could have been trying to die quickly. But their posts since, in self defence, make me think it was more for activity and to see reactions. Mild village read here, for me.

I agree with your opinion on the advice, and I feel pointing out that villagers might make mistakes and pass investiture is mostly just stating the obvious. However, it does tell me something vague about Exp here. Not sure what I can conclude from this yet. More concretely though, it feels too outrightly elim-y for an elim to actually try suggesting the village not do anything, you know? Gives me more of a village read on Exp as well. Maybe just not a "vanillager" (funny term XD).

The last time the GM was lynched, I remember hearing bad things happened. But maybe this time won't be that bad. Maybe we'll just make fools out of ourselves. Regardless though, seems more counter productive for the village, given our win-con is literally "when all of the Affected are defeated". Unless the GM's affected

But yeah, Szeth's name's not gonna go in red for me

 

But is anyone jumping to defend anyone? I'll have the go over the votes once, if I have the time. Else could someone make a vote tally counting vote changes as well?

 

I won't confirm the exact words of my GM PM, but Szeth did use emoticons in our GM PM and gave me a straight-forward answer to a mildly tautological question I asked. I think that might just be the GM being the GM. Can't be sure though, that's just my two cents.

Testing your theory on "unwilling" (I assume by that you mean inactive ?) villagers might not net us information if the villager stays inactive for another cycle, no? I'm not saying we should exe/complain out an active villager, just that either way, we'd be taking a risk. Unless you mean something else by "willing" villager (given that active villagers might also be unwilling).

Continuing:

Why are they gambit twins? Is that from this game? Or some previous game?
Elims can act game solvey, especially if they don't know some of the game mechanics either. And especially so if they do know some mechanics that the village doesn't. Unless this is also a reference to something not from this game. 

What's a mix candidate? 

Because inactivity or because of something else? Cause I'm right here typing out this post :3

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I need to make another pass over the thread to see what stands out (and to decide on my vote), but for now these are my thoughts. 

 

i've only played 1 other game and exp was running it.

 

[Frustration]

1 hour ago, Archer said:

Theory: you can tell when Szeth is in "RP GM" mode by whether they use emoticons. Eg. :/, :). Etc. Can anyone disprove this based on their experiences? 

Szeth tried to dissuade Devo from pursuing the heavy complaints strategy, and we know they're a bastard GM, so my instinct is that we should pay more attention to that. But as Devo points out, if exing and complaints have an identical effect, the game will be very short. My guess is everyone has two lives (real person and character - character work being a special request from the GM, likely to emphasize the difference) and we need to end both lives. We should be able to test this by checking whether the exe victim today stays in thread. But we shouldn't test this on willing villagers in case that chips away at how many lives we have. 

In the early game, I'd like to test out voting and complaining about Szeth in case that's a secret wincon. And because I trust the gambit twins Aeoryi and Experience (more so Experience because I've seen first hand them act game solvey), and Mat, who seems willing to get rid of mix candidates by being trusting. Bad elim strat, that is. DeTess seems normal too. And Devo did analysis publicly they could have done privately. Really don't feel like murdering anyone, honestly 

Edit: this is what I get for saying nice things about XP :O. 

Oh dang this is getting meta.

6 minutes ago, Mark IV said:

I won't confirm the exact words of my GM PM, but Szeth did use emoticons in our GM PM and gave me a straight-forward answer to a mildly tautological question I asked. I think that might just be the GM being the GM. Can't be sure though, that's just my two cents.

Interesting, they didn't use emoticons in mine.

Can you actually kill the moderator, is that like a thing?

[Experience he/him]

4 minutes ago, Frustration said:

Oh dang this is getting meta.

Interesting, they didn't use emoticons in mine.

Can you actually kill the moderator, is that like a thing?

Usually it's not a thing. But this is blackout, so it technically could be.

[Mark IV he/him]

4 minutes ago, Frustration said:

Can you actually kill the moderator, is that like a thing?

Not usually, no. I'm just bringing it up because this is a blackout, so maybe that might be a thing here. But I wouldn't bet on it this early in the game when we know so little about the mechanics. 

Edited October 9, 2023 by Mark IV
*sad ninja noises*

[Mark IV he/him]

Sorry for the double post, but it's been some time since the last one, so I figured this would be better.

Randuir DeTess (oops) 

11 hours ago, DeTess said:

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I feel like vanilla is kinda scary. Cuz all they can really do is pass magic and it's not good for us if they end up passing it to an elim.

I don't like this comment. It seems intended to discourage vanillagers from using the action they have, which in turn nerfs any village mages. Meanwhile, any elim mages will have built in support from any vanillas in their team.

For now, experience.

This feels kinda like a forced vote on Exp. While I did say I agreed with your sentiments about their post, to me it feels like you're just looking for someone to vote for here, kinda like an elim would. I guess you could argue it is D1, and people are going to be giving more attention to hunches and subtler cues. But then I'd argue the same thing (does that make me a hypocrite?  ). 

I had a longer post planned out. I'd quoted all the relevant posts and then I switched to the most recent quarter of the thread and all the quotes were lost. It is well past my bed time, so I'm afraid this is all I'll say for now. 

Aeoryi, still waiting for the spiders, btw

[Aeoryi she/her]

7 minutes ago, Mark IV said:

Sorry for the double post, but it's been some time since the last one, so I figured this would be better.

Randuir DeTess (oops) 

This feels kinda like a forced vote on Exp. While I did say I agreed with your sentiments about their post, to me it feels like you're just looking for someone to vote for here, kinda like an elim would. I guess you could argue it is D1, and people are going to be giving more attention to hunches and subtler cues. But then I'd argue the same thing (does that make me a hypocrite?  ). 

I had a longer post planned out. I'd quoted all the relevant posts and then I switched to the most recent quarter of the thread and all the quotes were lost. It is well past my bed time, so I'm afraid this is all I'll say for now. 

Aeoryi, still waiting for the spiders, btw

wait 4 aeoryi to get her phøne first

[Szeth Pancakes he/they]

6 hours ago, Archer said:

Szeth_Pancakes

Haha. Don’t. Do that :3

[Mark IV he/him]

20 minutes ago, Szeth_Pancakes said:

... Do that :3

Sure thing, boss