The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted August 13, 2023 Posted August 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, STINK said: Right 10 minutes which of you lot is the one being voted I'm making it simple here those of you care lmk Vote either Archer or Steel, it doesn't really matter as long as you vote one of them.
Kasimir he/him Posted August 13, 2023 Posted August 13, 2023 To make sure everyone is on the same page: Here are all the scans. Sart scanned Village, individually. TKN scanned Village via a scan of Archer, TKN, Drake. At least one Elim in <Ash, STINK.> At least one Elim in <Kas, Steel, Archer> At least one Elim in <Kas, Wonko, TKN, Archer, TJ> Let's spell this out: Doesn't look great Archer and I appear twice in an E!scan but that's the way this works. The case for V!TKN regardless of Archer's alignment is pretty solid because Archer allowed the TKN exe - in an E!scammer Archer world, he has no reason to allow TKN's exe when I explicitly asked him if he wanted me to pull off and let TKN get scanned. V!credences for Mat and Araris have to improve if you believe the scans: this is because we now have three individual scans (again, unless you believe E!me which is not an option for me anyway) that point to the location of three separate Elims. A team of four isn't impossible, but given the scans, would probably imply at least one Elim in <Mat, Araris>. E!Wonko worlds don't have much sense. Explicitly: If I'm committed to or endorsing some moderate credences in V!Archer, I'm left with having to commit to E!TJ, E!Steel, and one Elim in <Ash/STINK.> If I don't commit to E!Archer, it's hard to understand how Archer's play is working at the moment, or what he's doing. I don't disagree with TKN that E!Archer could've just put in kills while claiming to scan. In a internal trust group landscape, it's really the easiest way to play final few - kill me and Sart while we protect him, and then keep announcing ambiguous Evil scans in <STINK, Ash> to kill them. Szeth was never going to resist anyway. I don't feel like it's a substantively difficult play for an Elim of his capabilities, which makes me more willing to be okay with V!Archer, I guess. I do feel it's clear it's a bit of an <Archer, STINK> choice right now. For V!STINK, you really can only choose Archer or Steel - largely to do with the fact that Ash is unexeable, even if you know for sure Ash is Evil. Sorry guys. Can't really bring myself to vote STINK at this juncture, and don't feel like voting Archer, but I'm not interested in vote manipping the results. 44 minutes ago, Sart said: If it's Ash, I feel like we've already lost. It's not impossible to fight him, but in a world where he has an active E!partner, Tehlu help us all.
STINK he/him Posted August 13, 2023 Posted August 13, 2023 No cause if I say archer Steel someone's gonna get mad at me
Archer he/him Posted August 13, 2023 Posted August 13, 2023 (edited) If Wonko's not committed to killing me, there's not much point in self voting Archer Archer Steel Steel Edit : so mad at stink rn >:((((( Edited August 13, 2023 by Archer
STINK he/him Posted August 13, 2023 Posted August 13, 2023 At least one Elim in <Ash, STINK Can't quote on mobile easily but Ash Ash Archer Steel Why has no one explicitly said this if this is wrong it's the scanner like fr
Kasimir he/him Posted August 13, 2023 Posted August 13, 2023 Just now, STINK said: Can't quote on mobile easily but Ash Ash Ash is unexeable smh
little wilson she/her Posted August 13, 2023 Author Posted August 13, 2023 Term 3 Month 3 - First Blood Mysterious Bulletin: Quote No cap on a stack like where's the RP these last few cycles fellas Someone was attacked but survived! Szeth was attacked and died! He was a Re'lar Vintish Nobleman Student. Archer was elevated to Master Archivist. Steel and Stink were brought on the horns. Steel was charged with Conduct Unbecoming and expelled. Stink had the charges dropped. Steel (4) - Kas, Kas, Archer, Archer Stink (2) - Sart, Sart Ash (0) - Stink, Stink Player List Matrim's Dice - expelled Kasimir The Known Novel - expelled Steeldancer - expelled JNV - insane Wonko the Sane - formerly insane Archer Drake Marshall - insane Ashbringer TJ - expelled Araris Valerian - expelled Szeth Pancakes - Student Stink Sart 1
Kasimir he/him Posted August 13, 2023 Posted August 13, 2023 I'm struggling to understand why anyone reasonable would flip Szeth when TJ is the obvious choice here. Brain going back to E!Araris tbh. But not my problem. Looks like it's either E!Archer or E!STINK. Ash did not take action. Hope no one tried to assassinate him. @Sart Was that you?
Archer he/him Posted August 13, 2023 Posted August 13, 2023 (edited) a flip! hurray! i've got a thing called Fae Lore now and when I target a skindancer, it cancels their actions. so I'm just gonna park that on Ash... scan results: T3M2 vote manip on Ash - yes SD involvement T3M1 writeup (stink) - no SD T1M3 vote manip on Kas - no SD can't vote Ash out so I don't actually know what to do beyond this. if we could cancel Ash's votes, that'd be great, somebody get on it. and somebody tell me how you get rid of a master. maybe in PMs edit: probably two assassins r something Edited August 13, 2023 by Archer
Araris Valerian he/him Posted August 13, 2023 Posted August 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, Kasimir said: I'm struggling to understand why anyone reasonable would flip Szeth when TJ is the obvious choice here. I attacked TJ, I’m assuming that’s the “attacked but survived” result in the writeup. Shame too, that was a waste of 18 talents, and I’m just a Ruh.
Wonko the Sane he/him Posted August 13, 2023 Posted August 13, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: I attacked TJ, I’m assuming that’s the “attacked but survived” result in the writeup. Shame too, that was a waste of 18 talents, and I’m just a Ruh. That’s actually pretty good news. It robs us of a flip, which sucks, but it’s decent evidence that TJ did not give any fellow eliminators a gram. Edited August 13, 2023 by Wonko the Sane
Kasimir he/him Posted August 13, 2023 Posted August 13, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said: That’s actually pretty good news. It robs us of a flip, which sucks, but it’s decent evidence that TJ did not give any fellow eliminators a gram. Could he have made one? I think OoA allows it. Unsure - have asked Wilson. Ash's missing votes from the write-up indicates he spent the time making an item, so if the kill in question is provably the SD sabotage, then he cannot be SD. He claimed it was going to be tenaculum but lbr, more likely bone-tar. 1. Is anyone willing to claim the Szeth hit? 2. Is anyone counterclaiming an Assassin hit that isn't Araris? Note to people in Imre: this is pretty important to get clear if you are Village. Please come clean, thank you. I'm going to assume for the moment this hasn't happened. A. Ash's Alchemy play IMO indicates that Ash likely anticipated the Szeth hit. I'm more inclined to believe the Szeth hit came from a SD asset in Imre. At this point, leaning TJ. B. TJ's surviving an Assassination from Araris IMO indicates that TJ lied about making a Bloodless - but let's be real, it was always pretty clear it was likely a lie since there's no fundamental reason not to go for broke. I think there's prima facie reason minimally to go all assets on Ash at this juncture, at any rate. Willing to hear arguments about Archer. Edited to add: Sorry - to spell out my thoughts: I think TJ's survival suggests minimally that there's something fishy/weird about TJ, which lends credence to Archer's scan. V!TJ IMO should never have hung on to that gram and should've sought to offload it ASAP - he'd know his flip was mission critical. Edited to add 2: 32 minutes ago, Archer said: can't vote Ash out so I don't actually know what to do beyond this. if we could cancel Ash's votes, that'd be great, somebody get on it. and somebody tell me how you get rid of a master. maybe in PMs Assassinate tf out of him tbh. Which hoo boy is gonna take a while. This is 100% a Herdazian standoff. And yeah dwai I can sit on him with R&L, you sit on him with Fae Lore. Edited August 13, 2023 by Kasimir
Sart he/him Posted August 13, 2023 Posted August 13, 2023 43 minutes ago, Kasimir said: I'm struggling to understand why anyone reasonable would flip Szeth when TJ is the obvious choice here. Brain going back to E!Araris tbh. But not my problem. Looks like it's either E!Archer or E!STINK. Ash did not take action. Hope no one tried to assassinate him. @Sart Was that you? No, for obvious reasons. I was Lashed, so I couldn't take any actions.
Kasimir he/him Posted August 13, 2023 Posted August 13, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Sart said: No, for obvious reasons. I was Lashed, so I couldn't take any actions. I was more asking if you were attacked, apologies. I felt you would be the logical target and my instinct when I read the write-up was that you would be a logical target in a final few. Edited to add: 40 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: I attacked TJ, I’m assuming that’s the “attacked but survived” result in the writeup. Shame too, that was a waste of 18 talents, and I’m just a Ruh. Wouldn't say it's a waste, honestly. I think knowing that TJ lied about the Bloodless and made zero attempt to get rid of a gram is pretty anti-Village, which is helpful when it comes to his alignment anyway. I stand by the assertion that if you are a Villager killed in flipless and know that your alignment matters, the correct Village thing to do is to get rid of the gram ASAP - your flip is necessary to prove the scanners are Evil. V!TJ knows better than this. Edited August 13, 2023 by Kasimir
Araris Valerian he/him Posted August 13, 2023 Posted August 13, 2023 Szeth’s death could be due to sabotage, right? If the Elims are trying to avoid narrowing POE at the university. Though that doesn’t explain all the other missing sabotages, or why they didn’t hit me, since I’m a bit more active and visibly trying to buy assassins. (By the way, for anyone that hasn’t run the numbers, betting on 2 or 3 numbers at the Loaded Dice has a pretty high expected value for Ruh/Cealdish. I prefer 2 since winning too much locks you out, but 3 is slightly better on average)
Kasimir he/him Posted August 13, 2023 Posted August 13, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: Szeth’s death could be due to sabotage, right? If the Elims are trying to avoid narrowing POE at the university. Though that doesn’t explain all the other missing sabotages, or why they didn’t hit me, since I’m a bit more active and visibly trying to buy assassins. (By the way, for anyone that hasn’t run the numbers, betting on 2 or 3 numbers at the Loaded Dice has a pretty high expected value for Ruh/Cealdish. I prefer 2 since winning too much locks you out, but 3 is slightly better on average) That's why I'm asking for anyone who made the Szeth kill to come forward. But fundamentally, Archer scanned STINK as Village and Ash as Evil, and these are isolated scans - to be clear, this now means that any world in which Szeth died from sabotage is a world in which TJ put in a sabotage order (possible) because Archer has now committed to a set of definitive scan results. VM on Ash would've yielded the net of my alignment, Archer's and Ash's. VM on me yields the net of TKN, Sart, and me, and we know TKN and Sart independently scanned Village. Either way, I think it's pretty much de facto an E!Ash world. Edited to add: Sorry, to be clear, it has to be TJ because Ash used full Alchemy, which blocks him from filing complaints. This is why his votes didn't even show up as Ash, Ash and were completely elided. Edited August 13, 2023 by Kasimir
Ashbringer he/him Posted August 13, 2023 Posted August 13, 2023 … okay something’s not adding up here.
|TJ| he/him Posted August 13, 2023 Posted August 13, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Kasimir said: B. TJ's surviving an Assassination from Araris IMO indicates that TJ lied about making a Bloodless - but let's be real, it was always pretty clear it was likely a lie since there's no fundamental reason not to go for broke. No, I actually started the a Gram. I submitted that venom art I showed you along with my application and they gave me a Gram to start off with. I did create a Bloodless in T2M3. I'm in Imre this term. I thought there was nothing for me to do at University anymore. I did not realise I would lose my general action slot and couldn't create items in Imre. The only people who I knew were in Imre were Araris whom I suspect and TKN, the scan whose source is the same as the one who said I was evil, so you'll need to forgive me if I couldn't get rid of the Gram to these two. Edit - and no I did not sitch an assassin on szeth either Edited August 13, 2023 by |TJ|
Kasimir he/him Posted August 13, 2023 Posted August 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Ashbringer said: … okay something’s not adding up here. Interested in your explanation of events - I feel like E!Archer doesn't remotely need to go through this dog and pony show to win at this juncture. 2 hours ago, |TJ| said: No, I actually started the a Gram. I submitted that venom art I showed you along with my application and they gave me a Gram to start off with. I did create a Bloodless in T2M3. I'm in Imre this term. I thought there was nothing for me to do at University anymore. I did not realise I would lose my general action slot and couldn't create items in Imre. The only people who I knew were in Imre were Araris whom I suspect and TKN, the scan whose source is the same as the one who said I was evil, so you'll need to forgive me if I couldn't get rid of the Gram to these two. That's a lie, I'm afraid Edited to add: Sorry IM got too overzealous calling TJ out and doubleposted. My bad.
Ashbringer he/him Posted August 13, 2023 Posted August 13, 2023 Just now, Kasimir said: Interested in your explanation of events - I feel like E!Archer doesn't remotely need to go through this dog and pony show to win at this juncture. At the moment my explanation is, I’m at work and my break is almost over and I am trying to figure things out too quickly But how would Archer scan “vote manip on Ash for T3M2”? I thought those scans needed to be on past events. And my votes weren’t manipulated, they vanished because they never even counted because of my double crafting.
Kasimir he/him Posted August 13, 2023 Posted August 13, 2023 (edited) [TAG: RP, 354 words] 10 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: But how would Archer scan “vote manip on Ash for T3M2”? I thought those scans needed to be on past events. And my votes weren’t manipulated, they vanished because they never even counted because of my double crafting. Pretty sure he got the Turn wrong. I am aware this checks out because the plan last Turn was for Archer to scan the vote manip on you from T3M1 - that's the whole point of Archer voting you last minute while everyone else voted Szeth, telling everyone it was for mech reasons, and then my Soothing Archer, hence that vote vanishing. I clarified with the GMs both that a Soothe could be scanned and the expected results of doing so. In other words, for this to be incorrect, Archer would have to be Evil. It's pretty much bifurcated into E!you or E!Archer at this juncture. The fact that TJ is implicated in a clear lie further implies he's Evil, which supports V!Archer. lxxxiv. advanced sympathy ii Master Emon paused in the midst of his calling attendance. “Ah, Re’lar Renlin, I see you’re still with us.” “Not for the want of trying, sir,” Renlin called out, to a chorus of laughter. Renlin’s utter dislike of sympathy was almost legendary. Not for the first time, Kevan wondered if Renlin would’ve been better off taking Alchemy, but given the upheaval in that particular department at the moment, all things considered, the current state of affairs probably wasn’t the worst. Master Emon sighed. “Still at war with the Chancellor’s Office, then.” “Kevan too, sir.” “You’ve joined us this time then, El’the Kevan?” Kevan shrugged. “I try, Emon,” he admitted. “You know how it is.” “Yes,” Master Emon said, briskly, with just a hint of ice. “I suppose I do, life in the Medica is busy, and especially for El’the. Bob did promise me you’d be making up for Advanced Sympathy II in another term, just not right now. I take it then you’re caught in administrative limbo just as Re’lar Renlin is?” “I think you mean administrative hell, sir,” Renlin said. “And the Chancellor’s Office is the portal.” Master Emon peered at both of them. He sighed. “What would Chancellor’s Office do if I had you both barred from my class for this term?” “Probably tell you you can’t do that, sir,” said Renlin, glumly. But Kevan was thinking. Master Emon had a point, he thought. In theory, Masters had a significant amount of leeway over how their department was managed, and how they taught their specialist disciplines. It was, very technically, Master Emon’s right to bar whoever he wanted barred from his class, even if it was a hell of a workaround… “Renlin,” he said slowly. “I think it might just work. Master Emon bars us, we tell Chancellor’s Office we can’t do anything about it, and then the ball’s in their court. What can they do but work with us to get us settled into another class, since it’s against policy, as they keep telling us?” The real tragedy was that it’d taken them half a term to stumble on this solution. Edited to add: @Araris Valerian - Care to share your starting EP with us? Just to confirm. Edited August 13, 2023 by Kasimir
|TJ| he/him Posted August 13, 2023 Posted August 13, 2023 18 minutes ago, Kasimir said: That's a lie, I'm afraid ????? fym a lie? Come to Imre, I'll give you the Bloodless :P.
Kasimir he/him Posted August 13, 2023 Posted August 13, 2023 (edited) [TAG: RP, 273 words] 12 minutes ago, |TJ| said: ????? fym a lie? Come to Imre, I'll give you the Bloodless :P. Why would I waste my time in Imre when I have your teammate to sit on with R&L bro? C'mon V!you would do the same. Edited to add: To be clear, I am willing to listen to credible cases on Archer. As I've said, at this juncture, it is very clear that given Archer has now offered isolated scans of the surviving players, and he has made clear predictions on their alignments. Therefore, V!Archer entails E!you, just as V!you entails E!Archer. Same deal for Ash. Edited to add 2: lxxxv. wind The wind blew in the courtyard, scattering leaves across the pavingstones. Kevan watched them dance, thought about the change of seasons, the way the months passed. Thought about the way the students at the University had slowly dwindled; expelled, to madness (skindancer sabotage, some whispered, and maybe it was true, but studies at the Arcanum were always stressful, if you really thought about it), and— Master Bob’d spoken to him, said he was getting tired. Kevan thought about that. He did feel the tiredness in his bones, in his marrow, in the very core of him. Somehow, it was shocking—to see the lines about Master Bob’s eyes, to see the way the excitable Master Physicker seemed to sag in his comfortable worn-leather armchair. Rhetoric and Logic. Physicking. Sometimes, Kevan felt caught between the two fields, between the two different worlds. In the end, you always had to choose, and the lives he couldn’t save—“The physicker’s choice,” Master Bob was lecturing again, in his head, only it was Master Anders now, discussing Tehlin ethics and the Amyr, and the greater good, and the monstrosities you did for it. The leaves danced and whispered in the wind. Maybe if he was someone like Kvothe the Bloodless, he would’ve seen patterns, chasing the wind. But he was a child of Yll, a child of the rugged green coast by the Centhe Sea, and the water was in his blood, and the water and the Omethi were one. Kevan walked, aimlessly, in the courtyard as the wind rustled through the boughs and shook the leaves, and thought of change, thought of the premise of an ending. Edited August 13, 2023 by Kasimir
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted August 13, 2023 Posted August 13, 2023 53 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: Szeth’s death could be due to sabotage, right? If the Elims are trying to avoid narrowing POE at the university. Though that doesn’t explain all the other missing sabotages, or why they didn’t hit me, since I’m a bit more active and visibly trying to buy assassins. (By the way, for anyone that hasn’t run the numbers, betting on 2 or 3 numbers at the Loaded Dice has a pretty high expected value for Ruh/Cealdish. I prefer 2 since winning too much locks you out, but 3 is slightly better on average) This is actually true for everyone I believe, 2 and 3 have the highest average gain (1.5/+50%). Note on Imre @Kasimir, the gram is now out of stock. The Bloodless is too, but we can guess why that is.
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