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Fine by me. Rules are rules. In fact I only got pulled back by it. Rest of the argument still stands. If the Spiritweb can be altered one way it can be altered back again.

edit. Even though I fail to see how this could still be considered a spoiler.

Additionally if your Spiritweb can be altered one way it can be altered back to its original form aswell. Use ability often enough to stretch it out and become a Savant. Use Forgery enough to press it back into ita original bounds.

If you were able to restamp your Spiritweb through Forgery you should be able to reverse an effect on it. Done enough it may even last.

Different Shard could have been created. Imagine if only 8 were created. With 2 Shards forming pairs. I also think there could have been entirely different Shards, but would like to stick to this example since it already occurred in the series. Preservation and Ruin formed another functional Shard. Harmony. Or it could have been Discord... The same Shards combined could lead to a different outcome. Same as the makeup of each Shard could lead to a different outcome. Like everyone else gets a part of Odium and its just 15 (with all 15 having 1/15 Odium). All Shards would be a little filled with hate, but none completely.

I think I have to correct myself. Devine Breath can be stored in the Nicrosil mind. So regular Breath should aswell. This Breath is still "just" Investiture stored. Burning the Nicrosil mind would result in more Investiture. Not necessarily Investiture in form of a Breath. Given all the necessary factors are right. Breath is stored, the Nicrosil mind is unkeyed, the Breath is also unkeyed and accessible and the user compounds it. Then I'd still say that the outcome would not be additional Breath, but additional Investiture. I still think Heightening can't be achieved this way. Though its not relevant where the initial Investiture comes from. Whether its from a Breath or something else. We already saw that other forms of Investiture could give you Heightening. Albeit this form would also be more in line with what Breaths do. So it may still not be possible to reach a Heightening by simply becoming heavily invested.

I am way out of the loop and may get this wrong... You would not be able to access the breaths like this as they are not really stored in the Nicrosil mind. If they were you still could not access them as they are keyed. I doubt even unkeyed would be possible. If its your own breath? Technically its just investiture. You increase its amount while burning. You are not increasing the quantity stored. There would still, at any time, only be 1 Breath or less (if already burned) inside. The additional Investiture you'd be pumping in would not be a Breath. If you were to take the Breath back after you burned some of it you would get less Breath back than you put in.

The really good thing about the cosmere series is the magic system and world building. The characters are not relatable for the most part.

a thousand years battlehardened immortal being getting scared of a glowing mental patient. not a fan

the Investiture she was made up from was reverted back to its original form. pure, unaltered Investiture. no inprint, no consciousness, nothing. just energy.

I am glad Teft got killed. never liked that character.

Kaladin progressed in his oaths in fights. or under different form of stress. well, mostly. we know that Radiant Orders kept existing. the Skybreakers for example. my point is that the Radiants stop to fight the Singers once the Fused leave and that the next generation is so far away that the old generation Radiants, the ones which are on high oaths, died away. leaving weaker or maybe even fewer Radiants.

yeah. boggles the mind. I tried to justify it like this -> Singers become Voidbringers -> new generation of Radiants exists/appear, but they are few and of low oath. -> Listernes win. a lot. like, almost annihilating human kind (80-90% loss) -> Radiants become more, oaths get higher -> Listerners lose more and more -> breaking point -> Radiants become unstoppable -> Listerners get beaten back, everyone back to Braize now, Singers lost a a lot, humans lost a lot. Radiants won't commit genocide so the fighting subsides as the humans are too few to actually keep on waging war. also, everythings in shambles and they focus on rebuilding rather than killing the enemy for good. populations slowly recover on both sides. old Radiants die off. and eventually the next cycle starts. this has holes, ik, but its the best I could come up with.

and the spren are reluctant... imagine if they were willing. idk how the Singers ever stood a chance.

refresh my memory. he only tried to take a bond away which is a Connection between 2 entities. an Oath binds the person to an abstract concept. its personal. I doubt there is something like a Connection there that can be shifted. also, a Connection between Odium and Dalinar is not the oath/pact itself. its the result of them. if that were the case then Odium only needs to gain Ishars sword to shift his oaths to just about anyone. this is dangerously stupid for a story. its too easy. a pandoras box.

humans are still the bad guys on Roshar.

hes chewing on Invested spheres, duh! seriously. hes either getting it out of spheres or hes slowling running dry on Breaths. he has to get past the weeping every year somehow. at the moment I believe he can suck it in like Radiants. no fancy magic mumbo-jumbo required. theory: Vasher stores Breath in an Invested sphere and when he reclaims his Breaths the Stormlight comes out along with it.

strongest possible parallelism paired with unorganic material. unless the ninth hightening is a base requirement here too then I can see that working. at least for 1 or a few. stone can also be based on, well, "organic" material. something that was alive before. like shell limestone. that could possibly still constitute as something far removed from life instead of unorganic. often it does. not for basic laws of the cosmere. Aluminium works outside of perception too for example. I am not sure if that can apply here so you may be right of course.

additionally to what @Halyo_Alex said the statues are not Radiant anymore. the bond has been severed and everything from the former person was dragged into the Beyond. its regular stone statures. Vasher is still holding a lot of breath judging by the fight with Kaladin. I guess a couple hundred and upwards. he only needs 1 for regular Lifeless. granted, idk how much he'd need for Kalads Phantoms type stuff. still seems possible to me at least awakening a few. if the breaths stick he'll likely won't do it. as I mentioned it should be regular stones now. perfectly shaped like a human. maybe those are easy to awaken.

he found the honorsprens stache of nigh perfect gems. encasing Invested things in aluminium is my actual bet though.

hes not misleading there. he answers truthfully. what hes not confirming is the questioners assumption that Wit meant Cultivations Vessel. instead of saying "yes, he meant Cultivation both times" he says that the old character and the Dragon are the same. its not the first time Brandon has answered questions in that way. when the person asking wasn't satisfied and kept pushing he RAFOed the follow up questions. while expect both to be the same I would not take that as confirmation.

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if something like this becomes possible down the line I'll drop the series. its downright stupid. Dalinar made the deal. its on him and no one else and it can not be shifted to someone else. same goes for Odium and the Champions. if shifting Oaths arround like that were possible then Odium would have found a way to rid himself of his boundaries long ago. hard no. god, please no. unharmed by either side... well, theres not just 2 sides anymore. so far the suggested loopholes are not an overall interesting read in my eyes. that includes the ones I came up with. for example, ending in a draw or voiding the pact has the hugest repercussions and is therefor the most dramatic outcome. its rather anticlimatic for the actual battle though.

Moash was so good. Vyre is so rust. since hes Vyre now I do not care. he stopped being a character in Rythm of War.

definitely not dead or Kaladin would have / should have reacted differently.