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In more than 50% cases, Mistborn wins. Healing is great, but without reverse lashing, Skybreaker would be flying duck for coins to rip through their body constantly from front and back. All Mistborn needs to to is to keep distance and he wins, which would be challenging. If Radiant get dangerously close, Mistborn burns bendalloy and get out of Shardblade's way. Skybreaker would run out of Stormlight eventually. And it takes one touch with chromium, and Skybreaker's Stormlight within him is gone (which could be done with bendalloy). Division won't stop projectiles from distance, especially that they start learning about it after 3rd Ideal, they don't have access to it before. Did Szeth start learning about Division after all? He was supposed to train Division with Nale after OB, but he was placed in a cell in Urithiru, and I don't remember if there was something about him training with Division. Edit: If this is happening during night, Mistborn wins 90% of the time.

Ishar didn't stole his Honorblade until after OB - he said that Unmades were present in Shinovar, and only after OB, Shins started to behave weird (shooting arrows into Windrunners, something wrong in CR, no communication etc) everything was fine before OB, and Shins not only reported incoming Everstorm, but also congratulated Dalinar on finding Urithiru. Unmades appeared in Shinovar after OB, and only after that, Ishar reclaimed his Honorblade. Also there is only one remaining Honorblade that allows to fly - which is in Nale's hands. Taravangian really freaked out when he saw Szeth, as he thought that Szeth is gonna kill him. He then realised how unstable Szeth is, and sold him quick lie, to ease his madness. During fight with Dalinar and Kaladin, Szeth finnaly saw a sign that he wasn't a Truthless at all, and all killing he did was unnecessary. That messed him up even more. Taravangian needed to control he to fulfill Diagram. It wouldn't be the first or last time when Taravangian lied. And Chana did unbound and abandon her Honorblade, so after her death, her blade should not disappear.

Welcome to the Shard It was a lie, Taravangian freaked out and lied to maintain control over Szeth and force him to fight Dalinar and Kaladin. If Szeth learned that Radiants are coming back, it would mean he was never a Truthless.

There is this nice big WoB, that has links to other WoBs, about spiking Miles and taking his A-gold, and then Miles would still be able to heal and regain his allomancy - you referring to this, so I put it below. think with Breaths it would work similar. Breaths are connected to soul, even if Nalthian loses them, they are tuned to his Identity. If Nalthian views himself with Breath being part of him, than I believe he could heal it back, like Miles after being spiked.

I've just found this WoB, Rashek did not make them I do think they were either suppressed/drained or switched, and Ghostbloods were the one that did it. The Malwish general (who has just been sent to Elendel) expected this, Terriswoman was very eager to get out of Elendel on Malwish ship, and she proposed using Bands (I think?), and Kelsier was suspiciously just on a little trip south. Also TenSoon, arguably the most skillful Kandra, was "out of practice in being human". I would not be surprise if Harmony wanted to bring Bands south.

I dont' think so. First of all, if it contains Atium, Harmony should know what it is, but he didn't. Trellium repulses Harmony investiture and it shields form Harmony sight, weird thing for Atium or corrupted Atium to do. More importantly, we got spectrographic analysis of Trellium, which is just one spike in one wavelength. If it was an alloy, there would be at least two spikes, both big one for Bavadinium and Atium. The spectrograph shows that it's clearly just one metal, and it's god metal. And there are metals that are red, like copper, so why not Bavadinium? Or its red color indicates that it contains corrupted investirue, spike's hemalurgic charge, comes from Harmony afterall, which might get corrupted after being pulled out from mistings and ferrings by Trellium spike.

Ooooh I didn't see that I can choose Mistborn/Full Feruchemist. It's kind of pointless to made a poll that includes beeing them and Fullborn, as everyone will choose being Mistborn/Feruchemist/Fullborn, unless they can't read like me. Why wouldn't you choose being Fulborn and compound everything? I picked steel, because flying is the best, and Duraluminto play with connection, but I did consider Brass, cause I don't like being too cold and too hot (boring).

Is Nahel Bond a magic system? Surgebinding comes from Nahel Bond but not everything is that dramatic - bonds between sprens and chasmfiends for example. Or bonds between sprens and Singers. Are those bonds one magic system? Or are bonds just natural phenomena, that sometimes results in magical Surgebinding. I would classify this more as an natural phenomena rather than magic system. Fabrials are technological recreation of the effects of natural bonds, using the same principles - not a magic system in my opinion. Surgebinding is a magic system, and it's used by Heralds, Radiants, and Fused. It's manipulation of basic physical forces. Voidbinding would be a magic system - however it works, or it's defined, it's different enough to be seperate system. Old magic too - quite soft magic system. Manipulation of spiritual web. I don't know If Singers bonds should be a magic system. I think not - they are bonding sprens, which is natural, and sometimes gain some limited versions of Surgebinding or Voidbinding, which itself is not its own magic system. All the other weirdness like Fused, Heralds, Unmade, sprens etc, would be just a natural phenomena, explained by laws binding Shards and Investiture. Completely normal phenomenon. But that's all from in-world perspective. That's how they would classify this, Kriss for example. For us everything could be rightfully classify as magic system, From Shards to sprens and bonds. So that's why I would try to design in-world classification. Total 3 magic system on Roshar planetary system - Surgebinding, Voidbinding, and Old magic

The Autonomy had advanced army right outside of perpendicularity, ready to destroy Scadrial. Telsin plan to blow up Elendel only put that on temporary hold, as she promised Autonomy, that she would control Scadrial after that. Ironically Autonomy seams to be control freak - managing Set, Telsin, as well as architectural and philosophical growth of Bilming according to her vision of how people's autonomy should look like (the same as everywhere else under her control). Scadrial fast technological advancement was direct threat to her plans for Cosmere, so that's why she decided to destroy it.

You can't push metal enclosed in aluminum. The revolvers usually has slightly uncovered cylinder so you can push bullets in them, or if fully covered, the bullet that is in the barrel can be pushed/pulled if aimed at misting. Wax pushes bullets after firing, so that's why he uses regular bullets. But Vindication II is for duels with allomancers and made fully out of aluminum (coppermind about Ranette, TLM ch 19) so no wooden handle, therefore no safety mechanism. Only with wooden handle there can be this feature, but as I said, that would make this gun useless in fights with allomancers.

Putting safety feature for steel/iron misting in gun made fully out of aluminum defies the purpose of making it out of aluminum in the first place. Any small piece of metal put in that gun would make it visible for every steel/iron misting and they would be able to push/pull it. So Vindication II doesn't have that safety thing. The main feature of this gun type is special chambers for bullets to kill mistings - they are still there, and they can be switched with the simple button on the handle. And tbf did this safety feature was ever used by Wax to prevent someone else from shooting at him? I don't remember anything like that.

That would be intresting, but Scadrial would fail in this enterprise for sure. Scadrial has no infrastructure in CR, no transport vessels, nothing that could even transport troops to other system not to mention whole army, with equipment and supplies. Scadrial can't do it, and it would take years to create such network from scratch. Roshar on the other hand, has already something. I don't believe that what Roshar has would be enough for full scale interplanetary invasion with proper supply chains, but with small presence of Basin forces on that new planet, Roshar would easily overcome them with what they already have. We did discuss some fabrial applications recently a little. And yes, Roshar has 10 years to catch up with tech, but they don't develop in that time motors, trains, guns or anything like this. Many advancements would be made (fabrials), but not on that scale. Your proposal of painrial usage is not possible. Fabrials has limited range. They won't be able to affect rocket launching crew stationed 50km away, nor artillery crew that can be even further away than 10 kilometers. Moreover fabrial gems are susceptible to damage from shockwave of nearby explosion (they can be protected from it to some extent) or, damage from iron/steel mistings (which might be not possible depending on how invested the wiring is). And of course leechers and grenades will drain any fabrial. Those painrials would also affect Roshar troops in the same way. But yes, fabrials would be extensively used by Roshar, and that would provide them great support.

0 - manifested from investiture alone and sentient - Sprens (to Vasher frustration of changing the categories) 1 - dead body and sentient - Returned, only one type appearing naturally 2 - dead body and not sentient - Lifeless 3 - object and not sentient - Awakening 4 - object and sentient - Nightblood You want them to speak? That's type 4 - you can do it like Nightblood, but I would suggest making it not like like Nightblood. But just put enough Breaths until they start to speak? That's a no. Awaken them to move and put so much breath so they speak - no, they will just move, but putting more Breaths in it doesn't make them move more efficient - they can be only so efficient as material is capable of withstanding and what it can make. Akawening already takes the most efficient amounts of Breaths to power it, depending on command and how life-like material is. Putting more is just a waste. But like every investiture, if you put enough of it in one place, like really a lot of it, it can gain sentience - like sprens. But that's not a Breaths characteristic, just investiture thing.

Yes they are, which I agreed to it. Yes, you disproved it, that's why morality was my point, not to tall they can't do it, but they shouldn't. And with getting emotional I mean that we are so stuck to our sides and so eager to prove we're right, that we immediately jumped into killing those who don't want to leave the factory, instead of thinking about damaging the factory without harming them - like sticking workers to the ground outside the building. "Let's kill them just to prove you're wrong [noise of lightsaber]". In our modern world, Roshar doesn't have that yet, They have blacksmiths that are more valued captured alive than dead. And they have burned cities with civilians. They don't have that developed concept of our modern distinction between civilian or military. If a lord rebel against his king, king has full right to slaughter every single person in lord's fiefdom as a punishment. That's why morality is the best judge now. Yes, morality won't give us anything, just bigger hole to jump into, but it is important. What Dalinar considers moral or immoral defines how war would be waged. Oh I thought about this, but that just wouldn't happen. Laws don't allow it, and Set lost so no one would tolerate this. But a volunteers, especially elderly and dying ones... but no. I've got questions about gold compounding making war factories, but I don't think know if I want to dig deeper into it. A single gem? Probably not efficient, and wouldn't kill. Many gems - make it like a rail gun and it would work very well. How portable it would be, I don't know.

It's not alumium, it's Nightblood. The most invested object in Cosmere with twisted command to destroy evil, leaking corrupted investiture, as its so full of it. That's just bad combination. Aluminum contains it, but Nightblood is not fully cover in aluminum, its handle is still uncovered, and that's most likely contributes to certain abilities of him, like talking in mind, felling others, maybe stronger strikes with it. It's not just getting smacked with almost 1.5m long piece of metal, it is getting smacked with metal full of investiture. And when you unsheathe Nightblood, you have our favorite monster. Aluminum sheath is not part of Nightblood. Creation of type 4 entities is intresting, and we don't know much about it.

Not much, he would slowly die, very slowly. Maybe in few years or so. Investiture resist soulcasting, but it can be done. It depends on how much Breaths they have. Some time. But it would run out. If Radiant is restrain in such a way that he can't use little Shardknife then he's dead - unless soulcasting is involved. I do not consider Awakaning to be the most dangerous, but most practical and versatile. Dalinar is much more dangerous. But Vasher is nonetheless a person you don't want to mess with. If you connect gems in such a way that light would flow into Nightblood, that it could work. But not for long. Nightblood needs exponentially more investiture to be fed with. Clothes wouldn't have that amount of strength, material would rip faster. Nightblood can kill while sheathed and that's without drawing any investiture. It can even pierce a body in a sheath. Vasher draw him fully so he can just cut through walls and ceilings (I wonder how they fix those) to quickly get from the bottom of the pallace to top to help Vivenna. Time was crucial there. And someone with the healing would do just fine, but he would be surprise what sheathed Nightblood can do. Depending on where would he be hit, Nightblood can kill him even. But sheathed Nightblood does just a normal damage, just extra strong.

Uff, I'm not the only one confused here. But what Ookla means and why this name?

I do like them more without healing, it makes it more engaging and thrilling. Awakening is my favorite magic system, maybe because it's so practical, easy to use, and grounded. You can just use it every day during your normal work and in house duties and it would be so easy - Awaken broom to dust the floor. It's a good question about aluminum alloy. I think it would depend on alloy, and how much aluminum loses/changes its material properties in alloy. Awakaning can do so many things. You just need to imagine it. Edit: ok frustration

Lifeless with Awaken mistcloak would be great in fighting. I did also think about Awakaning ropes or clothes around a chain - clothes for movement and cheap Awakaning, chains provides stronger punches, rigid structure, that can't be cut, and will protect clothes from being fully cut - clothes can swirl in such a way to cover the cut and maintain mobility. And of course lots of stripes with metal spikes on ends for multitasking. Aluminum for now is preaty expensive and rare. I don't think Kalad's phantoms are invested enough to stop a Sharblade, maybe slow it down, but not stop. Here is better idea - small lifeless bugs with dimond jaws that would go inside the Shardplate and cut gems out of it, or crack it. Or eat into eyes. It does take less Breaths to Awaken lifeless and dress it up, than making phantom, as they require Breath for joints to move. So you can use Breaths to hold material together and make it move on it's own. You can use any material, the cheeper the better, as you can simply put something inside it, like metal, stone, aluminum, and it will perform task you can imagine, strengthen with non-awaken material you added.

My opinion is that the limits of Awakening is only your Imagination and the property of material your're Awakening. I would say that Breaths enhance a little limits of that material, but not too much. Little strawman won't be able to pick up human, but a thread can stiffen enough to pick locks. You could Awaken a cloak to hide you, IF you first made that cloak to look look like a rock, or tree, or something - basically a camouflage but the cloak will take a shape of an object when commanded. Unless you use a material that can change colors. You can make an motor, without burning anything - Awaken belts to spin the gears and here you go. Awakaning a bandage to move and bandage your wounds would be a great idea, but it wouldn't heal the wounds. You would you make an army of hollow knights when you can be Susebron and Awaken clothes on enemies from a distance and suffocate them? Here is my question - can you Awaken object in such a way, that it will go and Awaken another object? Probably not, but if you made type 4 entity then could they move and Awaken clothes to suffocate your enemies, when you commanded?

Why without Perpendicularities? Adonalsium invested multiple worlds, like Roshar, it's highly likely that his Perpendicularities were scadered around Cosmere, or even created by Adonalsium purposefully. And also there are some way of creating perpendicularities, either by magic systems we don't know about, or stacking lots of Investiture in one place. I don't think they had Interstellar travel.

Yes, by definitions of the laws, which, quoting you "Roshar doesn't have". That's why I'm asking about morality of unnecessary killing of workers, not laws. Skybreakers aren't even on Scadrial Yes, I admit, I was wrong with violating Oaths, that's why I was talking about morality. I do think we need to step back and chill out here. We've become to emotionally invested in proving point, that deosn't exist. Instead of finding 404 ways of how Windrunner can use surges to destroy factory, without harming anyone (perfect opportunity), we're going full Anakin here, and killing not just a men, but a women and children too (they would be working there, men would be called for other duties, not necessarily fighting). Soon we will be searching justifications for soulcasting air in Elendel into mustard gas. So let's just stop this as there is no more points to be proven now.

Do you consider killing workers and civilians as a right and moral thing do to? Do you think Windrunner would consider it as a right and moral thing to do? Do you think Dalinar would consider killing civilians as a right and moral thing to do? Do you think Azir would consider this a moral thing to do after all of the suffering that Sadees bring them in the same way? The moment you start killing civilians you stop fighting against Basin army, you are fighting against every sinlge person who lives there, who now considers you a threat to their own live and will do anything to protect themself and their close one from you.

Yes, let's commit war crimes and slaughter innocent unarmed civilians because they are working to feed their families. What've happened with this discussion? It's not even about Oaths now, it's just about what's right or wrong, which is important to every Windrunner and their spren.