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Maybe there are soulcasters that can make only very specific material, like bronze, and those which can make all of one of the ten essences like all metals which are much rarer? I'm pretty sure, that in WoK Shallan thought that soulcasters that can make everything exist and not only Jasnah has one, but they are extremely rare. There are soulcasters that can soulcast material into three different ones. But yeah, technically steel is not a metal, so only iron.

They can make any mine with huge cave on the bottom of it, to hold the water, or by finding underground river, to which water will flow. They can prevent highstorm water from enetering a mine, by placing the entrance on the eastern wall, not on the ground, and on the higher ground, or by sealing it before highstorms. They can soulcast a strombunker on top of the entrance to a mine. It's not like their houses and basements are being flooded every highstorms. Roshar has iron mining (the WoK chapter in Shinovar, soulcasted iron is there heavily valued), and soulcasters wouldn't be able to meet the needs of the entire Roshar, and there is very few of them. Soulcasted sword out of wood will never be as good as forged one. It's not just about shape, it's about using proper type of steel and proper hardening and thermal processing to give desired properties to a sword. One of the ten essences is metal and one of the soulcaster from Aimia was for metal so, if it's for making any metal than steel can be made as well (plutonium too )

Jasnah who is 4th Ideal Elsecaller, order much better at Soulcasting and more focused on that than Lightweavers, order that does it differently than Lightweavers, is closer to average? It's like saying that Rashek is closer to average Mistborn. Shallan is below average, but Jasnah is far above average.

I'm not changing anything, this is just physics. Matter is energy, they are the same. They can transfer only under some circumstances. Both of these statements are true. Energy can manifest in a different way, like kinetic energy, or heat, both of them are still energy, but if you want to transfer energy from kinetic to heat, you need f.e. friction. Energy can manifest as a matter, it is still energy, but if you want that matter to transfer into other form of energy, you need to do something to it. Atomic nucleus is made of protons and neutrons. But, surprise, each one of them is made out of 3 quarks, they are the elementary particles. When you sum up the masses of each quarks in nucleus you get far less than the mass of the whole atom. Where is the rest of that mass? In energy. From Wikipedia: Mass is literally energy, and if you want to release energy, you need to breaks the bonds within atom, which decreases its mass. Are we gonna argue physics, because we're both not qualified to do it? Now if you understand that matter=energy, you just need to add Investiture to it - matter=energy=Investiture - that's it. This is the composition of natural world in Cosmer. Nothing that is Investiture can't be supernatural because Investiture IS natural part of the Cosmere. People just don't know that yet. Lift powers her surges by eating matter, Nightblood when drawn can be fed with regular matter. Because matter is investiture and these two can change matter to investiture. And he for sure know every law regarding metals? Right? Like for example superconductors won't break Wax's laws of physics? Wax doesn't even know what he doesn't know. He has no idea how god metals should behave, as he doesn't know any laws and equations that govern them. Wax is not qualified to say if god metals are natural or not. If I saw something weird, I would think that I don't know enough to say what it was. People witnessing light pillars say it's aliens, but they just don't know it is simply natural optical atmospheric phenomena. For them it is supernatural because they don't know what it is. For Wax god metals are supernatural because he doesn't know what they are, what are their properties, how should they behave, and what are the natural laws governing them. When something breaks laws of physics it deosn't mean that it is supernatural, it means that your laws and your understanding of physics are wrong. And what all of this, which is talked about for a second time here, has to do with religion after TLM? I've lost the connection.

No, we're not. You are saying that matter is not interchangeable with investiture, I that because in our world matter and energy are interchangeable, in Cosmere Investiture is interchangeable with matter and energy, as investiture has the same relation with matter and energy, as matter in our world has with energy. Matter (all things that has mass) is form of energy. Not like water and ice - as both of them are matter. Matter can be transform into energy UNDER VERY SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES, like the one happening in nuclear fission - forcing neutrons to split enough atoms to sustain fission. Or fusion - extreme temperature and pressure forcing light elements like hydrogen to fuse together. The same way energy can be transfer into matter - the fission of two atoms heavier than iron or nickel absorbs energy and thus converts energy to mass. Even simple fire transforms matter of wood into energy of heat and light. Now add investiture into it. UNDER VERY SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES Investiture can be transfer into matter (mass) - Shards creating worlds. Investiture can be transfer into energy (Breaths moving Vasher's little strawman), and both energy and matter can be transfer into investiture. Investiture is energy. The same way matter is energy. Sazed made flowers and animals out of pure investiture. Those flowers are now matter, but they can be change into investiture under very specific circumstances. You don't need mass to make gravity, energy itself will have gravitational effect - you can just put enough energy in one place and it will form a black hole. The same way, you can put enough investiture in one place, and it will form a god metal. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that under very specific circumstances investiture can become just an iron bar, and the other way around. There's different from god metal which is a physical metal (as it has mass and atoms) but heavily invested. That's literarily how Little Boy bomb works. 2 pieces of uranium smashed together with explosion. That's it. They touch, and suddenly exceed critical mass, and city disappeared. But not any uranium, but enriched to ~80% U235 - that's problematic. Making bomb carried by plane is problematic. Forcing neutrons to return back to uranium instead of escaping the bomb - that is problematic. Physics of it was already known before Manhattan project, but making it real cost money. Fat Boy worked differently, sphere of 6kg plutonium, of size right above the limit that would make it go critical, and explosives all around it. You detonate regular explosives, it compreses sphere of plutonium - it goes supercritical, and another city disappeared. Thermonuclar bombs (fusion) works like Fat Boy, but next to the sphere of plutonium surrounded by explosives, you put deuterium (Hydrogen with neutron) and make sure, that energy released by fission, will compress hydrogen, sparking fusion. Putting too much radioactive material (not every element works like that) in one place will make it go critical, critical mass for U235 is 52kg in a sphere of 17cm at normal density. That's a bomb. But you can't have 100% pure U235 so - that's why Manhattan project was needed. It doesn't have to be. You don't need to convert matter into energy, as you can convert investiture contained within a god metal into energy (boom) and matter (atium + lerasium). Or that reaction works on just strong nuclear forces, or it was radioactive but radioactivity was not discovered yet - we don't know yet, but there are few options. And Wax for sure knows ALL of Cosmere laws of physics, right? Right?? He don't even know about atoms, or protons/neutrons. Not to mention quarks or quantum physics. He has limited knowledge, and works only with what is known so far on Scadrial. Laws of physics are not absolute, they are evolving - like Newtonian gravity evolved to general relativity. I've already told you about it on previous page NO IT"S NOT LIKE THAT. Matter is not a form of investiture like Ice is a form of water. That's not how it works. Think of Investiture as energy in our Universe. This is much more different than water and ice. Under specific circumstances matter can be transform into energy - like in Little Boy bomb, 1% of it's 64kg uranium core was transformed into energy. Just 1%. From matter into energy, like Einstein equation E=mc^2 predicted. That's how investiture works. Investiture is energy, but it take a loooot to change it from investiture into energy or matter, and form matter/energy into investiture. Shards can do it. Wax can't (or managed to do it once but didn't understand what had happened). It's not like you heat up piece of metal and it changes to the Msts - that's not how it works. You just need Einstein on Scadrial to prove that Investiture and matter is just energy, which is the base of Cosmere natural world. Then Wax would conclude that laws of physics are not being broken at all.

I disagree. Marasi did have important character development. Since AoL all she wanted was to be in position to enact laws that would benefit society. She became successful constable and detective, but on meeting with Kelsiar, she realized, that Ghostbloods knew so much about Set's plans long before meeting her, and if they only would have informed Police, this could be all stoped years ago. But because of their secrecy. they narrowly avoided disaster. She can't work from shadows, and do nothing when she has power to act. She can't withhold information if that's something important (that's her thing since AoL again!). I think that Marasi decision was a right one for her character. She finally choose a position in which she can act and change Basin for better. As an ambassador and mayor she can change for everyone things in a way that as a Ghostbloods can't.

I'm talking about Investiture as a whole, matter as a whole (baryonic matter), and energy. E=mc^2. Energy can be transformed into matter - like it had happened at the very beginning of our universe, and matter can be transform into energy, like in nuclaer weapons. The same way Investiture can be transform into matter and energy. Investiture in Cosmere is just different form of energy. The whole planet Scadrial was literally made from investiture of two shards. Wax experiment doesn't prove what you're saying. Regular matter is different form of energy, in the same way that both regular matter and energy are different form of Investiture and opposite. Regular matter can be transfored into investiture - that's kind of what Nightblood is doing, especially at the end of Warbreaker. Shards can transform Investiture into pure regular matter and create a planet from it. Matter is just energy. That's it. Investiture in Cosmere is also energy. You can change them into each other, but they are still the same thing, governed by the same laws of Cosmere Physics. These are the states and form I'm talking about - matter, energy, investiture. Matter can manifest in different way - like hydrogen or helium, energy can manifest as electromagnetic radiation or heat, and the same way Investiture can manifest as mist or Stormlight. Brandon did not give us Einstein equation for the Cosmere, but it is working in the same way like E=mc^2, but includes Investiture in this equation like E=mc^2+ic^2 or whatever it would be.

In our universe matter is just different form of energy E=mc^2. In Cosmere, Investiture is just different form of matter and energy. That's it. They are interchangeable in the same way you can change water into the ice and into water vapor. It's still water, just in different states. Khem, khem - Little Boy - all it did was just send one piece of uranium block to smash with other piece and boom. And putting just enough radioactive material in one place can cause criticality, as it exceeds its critical mass. There were a lot of accidents with criticality just because someone did not follow rules and put too much plutonium/uranium in one place. And again, the same thing we're talking here since last page - our laws of physics are different than cosmere one. Their laws of physics include Investiture, most people doesn't know that yet in-world.

Please. He first catches him with all metals, and the moment he touches him, he stops burning them and leeches with duralumin for a fraction of an second. Than he can again burn all metals. Is it that complicated? Their dimensions were described in the books. Cadmium bubble is the size of the room (AoL ch 12), Bendalloy is several feets. just for 2 people to fight in it in very close distance. Even if the resulting sphere had only 1ft, it would still stoped Skybreaker for a very, very long time. Than he can try doing it again, or just cut off his spheres in the first place. Or wait to leech until he've used most of his light. Or while leeching stab him in heart, forcing him to use more light and Mistborn can fly off, and resupply metals. There is like 100 different moves that both of them could do, do we really need to go through all of them? That's pointless. In range of Bendalloy bubble, the effects cancel each other out and time is normal there, but Cadmium bubble is larger and where not in range of Bendalloy, it is still standing and slowing time

He can simply stop using all other metals when he's starting to leech with duralumin. What's the problem with that? Or later use vials. Here is another idea, that Mistborn can use - burning both cadmium and bendalloy at the same time. It gives him a protective shell of slowed down time around him, and when Skybreaker approach, he would get stuck in cadmium, giving Mistborn a lot of time to react and even shower him with rain of coins and metal, as for Mistborn, times moves normaly. That's mean that he can't really move when making bubbles (unless he's savant in both metal, not likely), but that would still work as a trap, or even better, burning metals only when Skybreaker is already in range of cadmium, stoping him. Time bubble of cadmium is the size of the room, and for bendalloy around 5-15ft, so there is a lot of space affected by cadmium, and he can even change their sizes. If he's a savant in both cadmium and bendalloy, he can burn them constantly, except just for the time, when he's shooting coins. That would make him untouchable - until he runs out of bendalloy.

Yes you are still ageing in time bubbles, time dilation is effecting them etc. If you are out of the bubble, your ageing is not changed, inside it is. Chromium slows down ageing, bendalloy speeds it up. So if Wayne makes a bubble, and spends there 5 minutes, from his perspective, form outside's it was 30 sec or whatever short time, but he would age full 5 min, as 5 minutes passes for him. If Marasi makes a bubble and spends there 30 minutes (her perspective), but for everyone outside, the bubble was there for whatever long hours, she would age only 30 minutes. Physics works like it should work with changing of how fast time passes. But it's only affecting what's inside the bubble, because only in the bubble time changes accrues.

For Hazekillers that weapon would be great. But for Mistborn? It's much heavier, bigger, and slower than daggers It would be much harder to carry them around covertly and silently (especially when you add shield), they would restrain movements, and in air fights they would face much stronger air resistance than dagger. Mistborn are not warriors, they don't need shield or heavy weapon, they're assassins relying on speed and mobility. A dagger is fast and mobile. A club with a sharp edges - not much. And Mistborn only needs to use daggers in fight with other Mistborn, and with anyone else, coins and metal is their main weapon.

Chromium is not anti-investiture. I don't think it would work like that. Chromium leeches kinetic investirure, the one that is being used (leecher can drain metalmind only when feruchemist is tapping it) - trying to leech spren would be like trying to leech someone's soul.

You know, he's a Mistborn, he has duralumin, he can leech while burning it. It will be instantaneous, faster than division could affect his hand.

That's what people in Cosmere believe in. But there are also those who believe that aethers predate Adonalsium, are independent of its creations and are equals to Adonalsium. IF Adonalsium created the univerese, than it also created aethers, as they could only came from it. If aethers did not come from Ado, and even predate it, than it couldn't create Cosmere. Who is right?

I do agree, that making that piece of art takes more time than burning flesh, but that still take some time, and that was my point. It's not instantaneous. Form surrounding? I do think that they fight at least in sparsely populated area. Fighting in the middle of nothing doesn't make sense. And that's just when Skybreaker is getting to close, to push him away just for a moment, so Mistborn could avoid him, and gain distance. Again, that's when Skybreaker is getting very close, or even is striking - you just need to nudge the side of the blade just a little bit to avoid being hit by it. That can be done even with bare hand by human. Mistborn can do it with pewter, hand, daggers or coins, he can put a coin on blade and push it, or push from distance - but they are close, so even a very short contact with the blade will change it direction and miss the Mistborn, plus Mistborn is also dodging at that point as well. That is the very thing that Vasher did to Kaladin in their duel in RoW ch 15, using sheets and 2 fingers.

Yes, and I've already talked about it There are many ways to avoid Shardblade, I'm not saying it would be easy, I agree, it would be hard, but still he can do it. Mistborn can also use emotional allomancy plus duralumin to temporary paralyze Skybreaker. Even rioting just his anger, caution, sadness or some other emotions will cause him troubles. He can push metal plate, something that won't easily penetrate Skybreaker body, and push against it, with or without duralumin, to move him away. He can push coin into his blade to deflect it, or even into his hand to make him drop it. And he can alos use electrum to see his future a little, helpful in a fight, not as good as Atium, but still helpful.

Yes, and that's what Mistborn wants he to do - force Skybreaker to heal constantly, and when he runs out of Stormlight, it's over.

What if, and that is just an easy but lame explanation, Marsh just don't want to kill people any more, as he killed enough of the when controlled by Ruin? I can understand why Marsh wouldn't want to kill again, as that just awakes his painful memories of things he done before Harmony. But, that's boring tbf. I think that Kaladin is still not aware of what Zahel truly is, and what he can do, what Awakening is etc. Zahel didn't admit to doing anything with sheets during their duel. Kaladin just don't have any idea what Zahel can really do. Moreover Kaladin just doesn't care about other words as he cares only about people close to him and all problems they face - guy coming from other world just doesn't help with that in any way. Lack of medallions was disappointing, Ghostbloods lack of awarness of what was awareness happening was also weird, by that might be intentional to show Marasi and us that being too secretive may cause them to miss on action.

I do think so, even if that's just in PR, for Mistborn it might look like his lines, if made good enough. But Lightweaver needs to know exactly how it looks, and he can't, as he can't experience that and see them.

RoW ch 47 - Nale got shot by Cord in the face with an arrow. Don't you think that if you could use Division to stop projectails arrows, Nale, with almost 7000 years of experience and 5th Ideal Skybreaker, would do this during a battle? OB ch 107 - Malata needed "few moments" to make "masterful relief" on a table with Division - this suggest that Division takes some time. Both of that suggest that Division can't be use to stop coins, or it would take more time to destroy coins than for them to penetrate through the body. Division works on human (Malata OB ch 107), but we don't know how, most likely in similar way to what Malata was duing with the table, but in a different way. Division is the force of decay, so it might first make the hand dry, then kill the tissue making it dead, lastly turn it into dust. It still takes some time, which might be enough to drain Skybreaker out of Stormlight. There is also a possibility, that the Skybreaker must be aware of someone touching him, so that also might bring some latency to his use of Division. Mistborn need to just make a bendalloy bubble close to Skybreaker, but not include him, and then reach from the bubble (as long as some part of the body is in the bubble it is affecting him) touch Skybreaker and drain him. That migh collapse the bubble, or bring Skybreaker into the bubble, or have no effect onto the Skybreaker (no idea what would happen), but that will cause confusion for Skybreaker, and give Mistborn enough time to drain him out of Stormlight without getting his hand burned.

This was just to list the diffrences between soulcasting for Lightweavers and Elsecaller. Personally I think that those differences are because of how important some forms of art are for many of them. And some will always struggle to perform tasks in certain way, as they need their own way do to it. You don't expect painter to sing an opera. But that my thoughts detached from topic. Oh, true than, but the rest is still valid. Soulcasting air is very difficult, and those are Jasnah words. And how many people on Roshar knows what mustard gas is? Or what is atmospheric composition, that air is not just THE air, and composes of N2, O2 and CO2?

Voidbinding is NOT what Fused and Regals are doing. Fused are using just Surgebinding. Voidbinding is something different, not explored yet, most likely Renarin is Voidbinder. WoBs: And here is a WoB explaining how many magic systems are on Roshar:

You always focus too much on soulcasting invested people, so I did some digging Simply burning steel/iron enough to see lines would make them to hard to just soulcast. Add to this copper, bronze, pewter and tin, that Mistborns burns all the time, and you won't soulcast them for sure. Edit: but that's not needed as connections are the thing that stops Soulcasting. Soulcasting for Lightweavers is slightly different than for Elsecallers. Soulcasting air from a distance would be very difficult for 3rd Ideal Lightweaver. Most Lightweavers in RoW have troubles with Soulcasting and often use some visualisation method to help with it. Their skill, and familiarity with those substances, those things not being one of ten essences, time needed to convince soul to change. Just for example.

A WoB for you. It looks like not necessarily burning more of it, but more efficient.