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Possibly mental speed, but not confirmed on Marsh. Was it said that lynch-pin spike doesn't grant any ability? On compounding in Era 1 it's hard to say. Inquisitors were certainly using Feruchemy and were controlled directly by Ruin who knows about compounding. Great analysis @therunner I agree that double spiked inquisitor is weaker in term of strength than Lerasium Mistborn. However I will point out that Inquisitors were controlling the armies of Koloss, or at least it looked like that. So it might be that Ruin allowed them to take control over Koloss in order to trick Elend and Vin. Except feruchemy... Because compounding makes "new allomantic metal" available only for compounder. It also gives more investiture in form of attribute from burning that was initially stored in that metal. So that's a "new allomantic power" someone has. It was described like this either in book or some WoB. You missed my point. That's what you are saying: "they didn't do that, so narratively it's like they didn't have that powers". Vin couldn't burn atium, so "narratively she didn't have that power". All powers that Dalinar had weren't use in the fight with Nale so "narratively it's like he didn't have that powers". It's what YOU are saying with that logic, not me.

I think no because it's a brain issue. Pewter and gold makes your brain ignore signals sent by pain, Tin enhances that feeling, but if your brain still ignores those signals, you wouldn't feel it anyway. So it's not the feeling issue. But it might be some magical blocade or threshold for pain that tin can overcome. Hard to say.

I didn't find WoB on this one, I find the one telling that blind person can see atium shadow.

The number is relevant, as Elend didn't have feruchemy. Yes I'm aware of that, all original spikes (9-11 during FE) grants 1 power each. Inquisitors have all physical and mental powers from those spikes, plus Atium and some feruchemical powers like gold healing. However while Marshes spikes doesn't have to grants new abilities, they can double what he already had - eg double A-steel makes him twice as powerful. And he had access to compounding. It's all about how you define "power". For me compounding is a power. Do we know who was stronger in eg steelpush, Lerasium Mistborn or inquisitor with 2 A-steel spikes? On the "narrative level" Vin didn't have Atium while Zane had, which makes him more powerful than Vin. See, there is still an example of you being wrong. So how the h this works? "Narratively speaking" Dalinar used only the power of connection, while Nale use the powers of Gravitation, healing and his Shardblade. He still "wins" 3 to 1. It's so arbitrary to decide what is narrative important and what's not... For me it's more narratively important that Nale had access to both of his surges and was extremely experienced fighter, vastly outpowering Dalinar and he still lost to Dalinar despite all of that. Dalinar overcoming such a powerful enemy is more narratively important than what powers were used at a given moment.

I don't interpret it this way. It depends only on Kelsier deciding that Harmony is doing harm or causing danger to Scadrial for some reason. It doesn't mean that Harmony will harm people, it means that Kelsier might think that is the case. Afterall Kel has a habit of conspiring to kill gods. Also Sazed has future vision, he could already see the future in which Kel is opposing him or even in which he turn into Discord. He might just suggest to Kel that it only depends on Kel which way their relation will go.

Oh, you really want to open this pandora box? Well, here we go again. Earth wins against everyone. Period. This is not a competition, this is an execution. I agree on your ranking of "who will be the last man standing against Earth". Nalthis - I won't even start this one. Sorry Awakening Scadrial - early WW1 tech vs our 100 years later. There is no comparison. You can add in a few Mistborn to it, Earth wins just by using expeditionary force. Sel - bullet is faster than drawing. Eventually Elantrians will get hit by one and killed. They might cause some problems but overall we're talking drones 20km in the air vs glowing dudes and drawings. Roshar - Biggest challenge, not because of land army, as guys with sticks are no match for tanks, but Radiants will cause trouble. Not that much. Shardplate is NOT bulletproof. It can be damaged, and every soldier carries an automatic rifle, so they can spray Shardplates until it breaks apart. Not to mention tanks, artillery, jet strikes or precise missiles strikes or bombs. Here is counter for any power in Cosmere Flight - we got jets that can move faster than the speed of sound, rockets and missiles that travel Mach 5. We are better at it than Windrunners - they can fly 200mph, f16 makes 1300mph at 15km. Good luck for Windrunners. Transportation - we have satellite coverage of the entire planet. We will know instantly where and how many enemies appear. We can counter them with fast and mobile strikes teams, missiles and jets. Healing - big explosions kill them. Just don't stop firing. They will run out of healing very fast. Even Fullborn can be killed if you separate him from his metalminds with powerful explosion. Illusions - satellites + infrared vision (yes it's a wave, but they don't know it, they can't fake it) + cameras everywhere. Almost every single person on Earth has a camera in his pocket. Transmutation - industry with extreme levels of production. We can produce more than them. Division - we can do it better. Look at history. Future vision - hard to counter, that's why we have AI that can keep up with changes. We use armor only on vehicles. And they need to close the distance. Tank driving away will defeat 8/10 orders of Radiants. Tank firing - 10/10. And tank is not alone. And of course we are dominating in the field of weapons of mass destruction. 14000 nuclear warheads ready to launch in a short timeframe. Possibly lots of chemical weapons hidden as well. I'll wait for Era3/4 Cosmere to challenge Earth, until then it's not looking good for Cosmere.

That's why I counted the abilities that each has. Marsh has 21, Elend 16. Marsh is more powerful by your definition. Period. Don't ignore the numbers. It was perceived multiple times in the book, it was suggested to us that he was burning other metals than steel. But he didn't know it, and by my logic that makes him less powerful, but by your logic it doesn't matter if he knew or not, he had those powers. I worded my statement very precisely, as I knew you would answer in that way: Moreover we are talking about power levels. You can't just ignore one power granted by the surge of Division just because it wasn't used. It doesn't matter if it was used, he has Division, he has 2 surges. That's what matters. I'm not discussing what he can do with Division or Shardplate, which is what you are doing with Dalinar, I'm pointing out that he has those abilities, like Dalinar has Bondsmith abilities. Saying that Dalinar can remove someone from Oathpact is not equal to saying Nale has Division. Btw, Dalinar's Oath to "unite people'' might make him unable to divide Herald and Oathpact. No, Wax fired as well. ch26. It was a fight which Was lost. It doesn't matter, I'm talking about power levels. I can't ignore someone's abilities and surges just because he didn't use it. He has Division, 2 surges, he holds Honorblade, it makes some compounding effects. He is more powerful that regular Radiant.

Definition of ability: possession of the means or skill to do something. talent, skill, or proficiency in a particular area. So if power is defined by ability, and ability is defined by skill, it means skill is part of power. We're gonna argue semantics, I will use definitions of words. That's why it's pointless to argue semantics. It does matter by your own definition, as Marsh has access to 21 abilities in total, while Elend only to 16. Marsh doesn't have useless ones like gold/aluminum/malatium etc, and has more combat focus ones and feruchemical powers like F-iron etc. It's your main point: If you disagree on this one then I will use your logic and claim that Wax is much more powerful than Dumad, as Wax at this point was weak-Mistborn, and has access to every allomantic ability, but he just did not use it. Just because he didn’t use them doesn't mean that he was weaker - which you used as an argument for your own claims to prove Dalinar is more powerful, while denying the same argument to prove Nale is more powerful. He didn't even use his powers, so in terms of storytelling he might as well have not had them. Dalinar has a lot more power than Nale. Dalinar, or any other Bondsmith, has never stripped anyone of heraldship so in terms of storytelling he might as well not have that power. This is what is called "gunfight" - gun + fight - they fought, he lost. Definition of gunfight - a fight involving an exchange of fire with guns. Both siedes fired a gun, therefore there was a gunfight, therefore there was a fight. Which was extremely weak. He just attracted Syl, we don't know if he bonded with her or spoke first Ideal. By the WoB I posted "strength is not as much an issue with Surgebinding as is the strength of the spren bond". His bond at that point was almost nonexistent, therefore Helaran with Shards vastly overpowered him. His Shards consumed much more Stormlight than Kalladin at this point - again, WoB I posted talks about it. But did affect the power level of Nale, and this discussion is about power. In every confrontation Nale is more powerful than regular Radiant due to the compounding effects of Honorblade and Oaths. Both Radiant and Nale have access to 2 abilities (2 surges) and same amout of investiture (by your definition) but Nale has also unknown ability/investiture coming from his compounding so he is always stronger.

I consider "skill" an important part of "power", as without proper skill, any power is just useless. In that sense most opponents main characters faced were more powerful than main characters were. Wax and Dumad fight is however interesting as it was pointed out, Wax had to improvise. However it was not the first time we see this in books. Also Elend vs Marsh fight at the end of HoA, Marsh by @Frustration definition of "power" was vastly more powerful than Elend, because Marsh had access to feruchemy and compounding, Elend didn't. Some inquisitors might also be more powerful than Mistborn like Vin or Kel, because they could be made out of full Mistborn not just Seeker. I don't think we know who that might be. Sazed vs Marsh in HoA. While both Vin and Zane both were spiked, Zane got more combat oriented ability, which in fight made him more powerful than Vin. And he had Atium, Vin didn't. And fight at the end of BoM when Wax had to face both his uncle and sister who both hold multiple spikes, and therefore have more power than Wax, before he got Bands. Kaladin vs multiple Shardbearers in SA - when in many of those fights Kal was lacking skill to use his powers, didn't progress in Oaths enough to gain new powers or like in his fight against Shallan's brother, he didn't have them at all. Kal vs Amaram. Adolin, Dalinar and Gavilar fighting Szeth. Dalinar vs Eshonai in WoK - Eshonai is more powerful as she was bonded with spren. So Wax vs Dumad was far from being first fight like this. It's always like this. Nale has Honorblade and is 5th ideal Skybreaker so he gets some effects out of this combination, which by some definitions can be consider more powerful By the definition of the word "power" - the ability or capacity to do something or act in a particular way - compounding is the ability to do something that others can't do, thus it gives more power. Also, without skill you don't have ability to do something, but you have capacity to do it in the future. This whole topic just turned into an argument "which definition of word power is the right one" - shocking answer, all are.

You can store allomantic bronze sense So anything that your body can feel/sense, even if granted by other invested arts, can be stored in tinmind. If you were able to sense electricity, you could store that. Inquisitor's steel sight should also be storable.

Stories that Wit tells are there for a reason. They're there to reflect on the character, help him a bit. They're for character development.

"Shadows for Silence in the Forests of Hell" short novella from "Arcanum Unbounded". Shades are very, very scary things. I wouldn't recommend going on vacation to the Forests of Hell.

While flying with A-steel sounds fun, pewter has far more useful daily applications than steel. It makes you stronger, faster, endure more and be less tired. So much useful. For Feruchemy steel, being fast is just great. Compounding - Steel 1000%, it's unlimited speed. Running around faster than the speed of sound? Count me in! And steel is everywhere.

You need two gears or two separate rods, and a belt running between them, the belt is Awaken and spinning. So even if you or I don't know how motor is made, we both know what it does. Spin. Making a motor with Awakening is extremely cheap and easy, I'm really surprised that they didn't invent it yet and went fully into industrial revolution. Jet engine, I don't know if Awakening could make it, as it heats up and compresses the air inside it. But a propeller engine - easy. Breaths spinning the propeller would also generate electricity for the whole plane. However it's easy for us to imagine Awakening in our daily life, on Nalthis they are far behind us in tech, and making helicopters without understanding advanced aero engineering is far beyond their possibilities for now. In the future of Cosmere, that should be common, because as you point out, no fuel is needed. But for now I think wings could be a good starting position from which aviation on Nalthis could advance further.

You really think you could avoid an explosion a millions times greater than the Hiroshima bomb? Which would most likely also be present in CR. I think only with automatic devices of some sort, but that's beyond what is currently possible. You basically convert all of the black hole's mass into pure energy via E=mc2 as the black hole last far shorter than 1 second. Even Slider would not be able to create a bubble with that time.

The problem I see with Kaladin is that he wants to help everyone too much. He doesn't know where to draw a line. And when he was captured by Parshmens in OB and decided to HELP them, I knew how it's going to end. And it ended so tragically in Kholinar. Kaladin is a great soldier, but he is too good of a person to be a soldier, he still is a surgeon in his heart that needs to help everyone, including Moash. And this is how he always was - he helped boys in Amaram army, and he failed them, he helped slaves escaped several times and he failed them, he try to heal one slave during his way to Shattered Plains, and he failed him, as much as he failed all the Bridgemen that died under his command. He failed them in his mind, while in reality he didn't, it wasn't his fault. And yet despite all of this, he jumped straight into helping his enemy, despite knowing that they are at war with each other, and people close to him will die again from each other's hands, not by his fault, but he will see it as his fault again. After swearing the 4th ideal he is on the right path to overcome his need to help everyone. That's part of his character and his PTSD, he need to learn where to draw the line, so he can fight and kill those who needs to be killed.

For me the best part of this interlude was Lift. She is a great and funny character. I like her. And it has little hidden secrets spread here and there. The person trying to kill Lift is the same person that killed Ym, the shoemaker in the second interlude of WoR. That person is... let's just say interesting. And it's not the first or second time he appeared in books. What I love about interludes is that they not only give us a little break from main characters and main events, but also introduce us to other new side characters, in other parts of this world. We have Szeth, Rysn, Lift and many others from all around the world. We can look at what is happening at different parts of Roshar while the main heroes struggle with their challenges. This makes the whole world alive and more immersive. And that gives us, the readers, important information that we couldn't from the main characters pov. The problem with Szeth in SA is that there is so little of him there! I also want to know more, but so many questions are still left unanswered. However, I'm not trying to discourage you, because Szeth storyline in WoR is satisfying. There will be answers provided to you.

Well, theoretically, it might be possible to make tiny quantum black holes in Supercollider on Earth. So you need to take two objects and lash them together with such force that some parts of those objects would collapse into a black hole. It is difficult, as with that force of an impact, the objects would just explode and disintegrate. However it might be easier to generate high speeds with lashings - eg. infuse something with strong reverse lashing, and lash a regular object with high speed just next to it, with speed so high that it won't hit the reversed lashed object, but miss it closely, gaining speed, creating some sort of gravity assist we use to accelerate spacecraft. This could recreate a particle collision environment that can result in black hole. The second option would be to lash an object not in any direction, but towards its center of its own mass. With very strong gravity, the object would crush that mass, finally reaching sizes below Schwarzschild radius (every mass has it, if the mass is compressed below that radius it collapses into a black hole), But both of those options would require great amounts of investiture, I wouldn't say shard level, but still very great. Maybe some Bondsmith boosting with perpendicularity next to them would create black hole. However as you make it from very, very tiny objects, it would almost instantly evaporate due to Hawking Radiation, killing everyone near it. A 1000 kg object collapsed into a black hole would "live" for 4.7E-8 (0.000000047) second and would explode with energy of tens of thousands nuclear bombs. So it's a bad idea.

Good point and great solution. I was thinking about wings as a thin but highly curved surface, somewhere in between the shape of the upper and lower wing's surface, with a thickened part on the leading edge, to mimic the desirable aerodynamic effect. However material simply folding on itself to fully recreate proper wing cross-section is even better. Yes, that's what I had in mind, I was just lacking proper words for it. The Awakener needs to copy the mechanism of birds fly, for it he must observe how they fly. With time and observations he can learn how to mimic that flying motion, as well as gliding and hovering. Another great point. There are several ways I think it can be recreated. First one is by movement of the body, leaning your upper body left, or right, which will result in a slight turn. Second is movement of legs - leaning them left and right - to mimic the rudder on the plane. These are just body movements that don't need to be included in the Command and visualization. However it's tiring, so it can be viewed just as a stepping stone towards fully functional wings. So the third idea is the coat, that is tied up to your legs, will do the leaning of your legs left and right for you. This can be initiated by leaning your wrist left and right, just like the yaw axis. The very last component could be remaking a fully functional tail section of a plane or bird. The material would have to be sewn into the legs section of the coat, and Breaths would do all the shapes and movements. Yes, however all the elevator and flaps are doing is changing the airflow around wings, which creates necessary force to lift the wing or lower it down, to maneuver along the 3 axis you describe. However, the Awakened wings would just do it, they would just turn and twist as needed to position the wings in the right configuration for any maneuver, as they are powered by Breaths. So flaps and elevators are not needed, as Breaths provide necessary force instead.

I was leafing through Warbreaker and I thought - what are the limits of Awakening? Can an Awakener fly? Awakener can't control gravity like Windrunner can, or push himself away from metals like Mistborn can. The best Breaths can do is to pull you up with a rope. That’s not really flying. But I could Awaken material to expand when I fall which would act like a parachute. Still no flying. I can’t strap jet engines under my arms so is there any solution to it? Well, birds fly… And this makes it so much easier. That’s it. I just need a material in the shape of wings that will just flap up and down like birds do. Awakener can fly! But that will just make you go up, and you don’t want to get stuck in the air with the only way down being falling after you recover Breaths from wings. You need control. And those are two basic components necessary for flying: wings and control. Wings Let’s talk about wings first, that’s easier. An average adult male human would need a wingspan of at least 6.7 meters to fly. That’s a lot. But here is a trick, the faster wings flap, the more lift they generate, so 6.7 meters is a maximum length your material needs to have. The Awakened material can become stronger than muscles so wings can flap much faster than normal birds can without getting tired and without damaging material. Moreover you don’t need any rigid metal/wood structure to give shape to the wings, as Awakening will grant wing shape and stiffness to it. And that will allow wings to fold on my back without restricting my movement. With this you need less than 6.7 meter long material in the shape of wings, and a coat with hood, and with seperation for each leg. Wings would be sewn strongly on the back of the coat (close to the center of mass), and the coat itself could be tied with straps and belts to your whole body. A single hair on top of the hood for Awakening focus, and this, with a human shaped coat, will reduce the cost of Awakening. And then the only thing left to add is a little handle, rope coming out of the left sleeve with a handle at the end which is straight piece of wood, and can be held by your hand - why? For control. Whole construction, wings, coat, straps and a handle, needs to be perceived as a single object for Awakening to work as needed. And that is easy, as it all can be made out of the same material and color sewn together, so there are no different or separate parts. Afterall a jacket doesn't differentiate itself into buttons, pockets or sleeves. Control And here is the answer to control. Vasher could Awaken rope to respond to specific stimuli in the form of taps. He could make rope pull him up, lower him down, even let go and hold something as well. 4 different responses. With a similar trick, my wings can react to my fingers, and I only need 4 responses as well! start/stop flapping flap faster flap slower extend/fold on my back That’s it. I can make those commands by tapping on the handle - 3 taps and wings flap slower. Or tie it to the specific finger - thumb tap -start/stop, index finger tap - flap faster. Easy. But I want more. I need to change direction of my flight, I want to turn left and right. And to achieve this, we need to look at how planes turn. The plane turns by lifting one of its wing, while lowering the other, which creates so called “bank angle” Bank angle - The angle between the wings and the horizon, as viewed from the rear of the airplane. An airplane with its wings level has zero degrees of bank. So how do I do the same? Well, with my handle! If I could make wings respond to tapping with my fingers, I can make wings to align themself horizontally with the handle I hold in my hand. When I hold the handle leveled, the wings are also leveled, when I twist the handle left, wings are also banking left, maintaining the same bank angle with horizon, as the hantle has. I can call it complete at this point, as now I could perform a normal flight, but there is one thing that can be added, but it’s not necessary - vertical control. Flapping faster or slower is just one way of gaining altitude, the other is controlling the angle of attack of my wings, to pitch up and control my lift. The angle of attack is the angle between the wing and the direction of the oncoming wind. Increasing this angle increases the lift, but this is at the expense of drag which quickly increases. How do I do this? With the Handle of course. Just by lifting or lowering the handle with wrist movement only, I can slightly increase or decrease the angle of attack thus controlling my lift. Birds have an angle of attack of around 6-15 degrees so I don't need more than that. The one additional thing is to make whole coat strap and tie itself onto you - it’s easy, just by tying the first strap, all straps hold onto you and tie themself up, later, when you untie one of the strap, all straps untie itself. With this I can quickly put wings on and fly, or take them off and fight on ground without worrying that wings get damaged. This however is not necessary component of the wings. And thus the Awakened wings are complete. But wait a minute - isn't that too many things needed for a Command? And the simple answer is no. The Awakening command could be something like “Upon call, fly like a bird” or "Fly upon my commands" - Vasher used similar commands. Hoid in OB used even more difficult one. The hardest part is visualization. Mental image that accompanies Awakening is at this point extremely complicated. We have three different components - tapping the handle, twisting the handle and lifting the handle, and even forth one, self-tie straps. Vasher could probably already make wings which just respond to tapping, but the rest provide more complexity. However I would not call it impossible. I was thinking about it the whole day, and right now I can quickly imagine how all necessary components work within a few short seconds. A skilled Awakener can do it even faster. Of course, to come up with this idea and to perfect this mental image, it would take him weeks, months, or even years, but it is possible. Vasher already uses very complicated Commands with even more complicated visualizations, and Vivenna was able to copy his Commands after seeing him use it once or twice. Making wings that basically imitate birds, a living creature, can be done. And that’s how a skilled Awakener can take up into the sky. It may take him years to achieve this, but I think it can be done. For simplicity, to make wings easier, he can strap them to his arms, and reduce the visualisation significantly, however that can make his arms tired (wings are moved by Breaths, taping on the handle to control them or bank arms to turn), and with that Awakaner is unable to throw Awakened ropes at people dawn below. Sitll for a prototype it would be much easier to make and could be a stepping stone towards fully controlable wings. I also came up with the conclusion that zinc ferring would be great Awakener as he can speed up his mental speed and create better mental images faster as well as come up with better commands or create completely new ones. Being a zinc ferring would make Awakening so much easier, and developing working Awakened wings would be much faster. Copper ferring can recall necessary mental image in a short moment, so he could also be better at using very complicated Commands. Do you think any other invested arts can also help in making Awakening easier? Can Awakening replicate other invested arts or surges with their effects? What do you think about my wings idea? Is there an easier way for Awakener to fly? tldr - wings with a joystick.

The difference is, you Awakening "yourself", or using it to store your memory RoW spoiler So a single Breath can be useful for memorizing. But other than this, there isn't much use for one Breath. Vasher's little straw man costs 25 Breaths (he had around 50 in prologe and half were used on this), and it is the simplest multitasking tool. Maybe you can Awaken it for less than 25 by using a simpler command, like "stand up", but this is just useless. Fetching keys was a complicated command afterall. However I was wondering, Mistborn and RoW spoilers

I never realized it would be hard to choose without alloys. So I've picked up iron (some form of flying), zinc for useful mental speed, and gold for compounding, which was the easiest choice.

Status: used to be slave (ardent) used to be a Darkeye Profession: soldier/duelist Artifacts: used to have Iron soulcaster, now have stolen dead Shardblade No powers I used to be an Ardent Soulcaster bonded to the holy Solucaster of Iron. I served Highprince of Jah Keved who was famous for his brutality as he treated even Ardents like mere slaves. I've become a savant and my body slowly turned into iron. To avoid death by petrification, I've abandoned Soulcaster and Artent's duty, and run away, secretly stealing Shardblade that belonged to the Highprince, known as a "Soulsweeper" out of spite. The Soulsweeper's blade is thin but long, sharp on one side, while the other edge curves like gentle sea waves on a calm day, with only the blade's tip being sharp on both sides. Whole blade is curved very gently like a saber. Its hilt is secured by a highly patterned crossguard, which beautifully centers on a teardrop shaped yellow topaz attached to it. I ran away from Jah Keved to avoid being persecuted and arrived at Alethkar when I started learning swordsmanship by practicing dueling without shardblades. I have to hide my Shardblade to avoid being caught and prosecuted by stealing Highprince Shard. My body, that mostly turned into Iron from all those years of soulcasting, limits my movements and speed, yet provides impenetrable armor that no regular sword or weapon can break. When War of Reckoning started I joined the army of Hightprince Sebarial as one of many mercenaries, still hiding my Shardblade. I participated in the battle of Narak and became severely wounded from Regal's lightning strike. It took me more than a year to recover, however my weird state of Soulcasting Savant only complicated matters. As I found out, Iron body and lightning strikes are very bad combinations. After Taravangian betrayal I could finally reveal myself as a Shardbearer and use Soulsweeper without the fear of extradition. I fought in Emul alongside other Radiants and Shardbearers. My iron body, despite limiting my movements, proves to be on par with even Magnified Ones. When fighting I use mainly Ironstance and Stonestance, especially Stonestance for defense as it's considered "the immovable stance", fitting well with my slow speed. I had the privilege to stand face to face with my former master and Highprince in Emul and I took immense satisfaction when he recognised his Shardblade just moments before it swept his soul away. After this I've sworn to continue fighting against Voidbringers and with this repay Almighty my sins of abandoning Ardent's duty. No idea how to give points to all those "used to be" but it's around ten. There is a future foreshadowed (bluntly) within these words. Can you find it?

If she just tapped them all, she would explode with power - weight, strength, speed etc - and allomantic powers (or not as she didn't have metals in her stomach) - that would be very visible (like Marasi in BoM, who was leaking mists from her), yet it didn't happen. She could be a nicrosil fering and just tapped all the nicrosilmind that grants abilities, and now Bands are still invested, but don't grant any allomantic and feruchemical powers. Or they had some investiture blocking/leeching tech that was used. However leeching from metalminds is possible only when metalminds are tapped (per WoB). It also might be a ruse, some sort of duplicate, and true Bands were replaced with fake one, when she grabbed them, or even earlier.

I am, on the other hand, a full fanboy of reverse-bond theory. During the trial it was Adolin who gave Maya strength and breath that made her speak. I suspect that Maya would take more and more from Adolin which would make her stronger, maybe even give her unique abilities, and create a new type of bond. In this case it would be spren who is "the Knight" and Adolin who "fills the cracks in Maya's soul".