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I already did it, several times. Dawnshard ch 19 - you should read it. Dawnshards are commands, they aren't granting commands, they are them. If you building your house out of bricks, can a brick become your house? Surge is usage of investiture, and it require investiture, command and intent. Command on its own (in person or not) can't become a Surge. They aren't on the level of Dawnshard, they aren't on the level of divine understanding of Command, to achieve this, you need to expand your spirit web, which is what Dawnshards are doing, and to do this, you need to infuse it with investiture, which is what Dawnshards are doing. Dawnshards are Divine Command, made out of investiture, so the divinity could happen - if you take that investiture away and use it for surge, Dawnshard will no longer be a Dawnshard. Again, can you take piece of spren and fuel Surges with it?

You're right, I confuse it with Whimsy somehow. Still there is a Shard with similar intent to Wisdom, but it doesn't have to be survival shard as Brandon RAFO it. This Shard might simply realized that survival is not a good option, and that might be Virtuosity, so some other unknown/known shard.

Can Identity manimulation trick your spirit web into thinking it should look like someone's else spirit web - like feruchemist storing his identity and taking someone else's one? Maybe with some connection manipulation?

Because it's a command. Command is just a command. Nothing more. They might provide Commands to investiture, which created the Universe, or whey might be use with something. But creating surges doesn't mean the provide surges. They are Commands, and Commands only. What about the rest of the quote, which clearly states that Surge requires Command, and the greatest Surges require god-like Commands, which are Dawnshards?

Yes, there is some Shard with intent similar to Wisdom, but it's not Wisdom, and thinks now that survival isn't the best option. So it's not Wisdom. "There is a Shard with a similar intent." Wisdom is a shard, we know it now. So there is another shard that is not Wisdom, but has similar intent. From second WoB we know that this Shard realized that over time. But still we don't know if that's survival shard. These WoBs might refer to Virtuosity (it is similar to Wisdom), and it doesn't mean that she was the survival shard. Those WoBs might not be about survival shard at all.

No it wasn't? A shard with similar intent to Wisdom was described like this. Not Wisdom. Here is a WoB that was rreferred to in previous RAFO WoB. He didn't say its Wisdom.

We know it. Nikli separated Suegebinding from a Command for a reason. Why is he calling Dawnshard Commands? How can Command grant a Surge when Command is a requirement for a Surge? It's all there in quote I provided to you, which you deny. There is nothing outstanding about Rysn, exept for a fact that she isn't Surgebinder.

Are mists a gas? They are water molecules stuck to particles in air. I think you can do it with right intent or not, but it wouldn't do anything visible, as gases are too dissolved to catch a lot of molecules from it.

Shard is not just an Intent. It's a power shaped by its Intent. Dawnshard is a Command, lacking power. Vessel is just a vessel. It provides mind for a Shard but mind and an Intent for that Command. But where does investiture comes from? You still need Surgebinding. Dawnshard is investiture in form of a powerful Command. You can't split it from it and to something with it, as you would lose the Dawnshard in process. Dawnshard merges with your soul and expands it. Can you just take part of your soul and fuel surgebinding with it? You need investiture from other source to use Dawnshard. You need Surgebinding. In Dawnshard novel, ch 19, Nikli specifically talks about Surgebinding, which reqires both Intent and Command. To use the most powerful forms of Surgebinding, you need to achieve the level of understanding comparable to deity. That's what Dawnshard is for, to give that understanding to you, so you can use the most powerful forms of Surgebinding. Dawnshard is not a Surgebinding, nor does it provide Surgebinding. It's only a Command. Surgebinding is all invested arts. Again, you refuse to accept books and WoBs as evidence while they specifically talks about it.

Treachery sound like a cool Shard name. And fits well, complete opposition to Honor. His invested arts must be great. Tolerance also is good one Justice is theorized to be name for Shards of Odium and Honor combined. Looks like this Ai subscribes to that theory. I'm surprise that there is Ambition but not Odium. Why?

This moment is just wholesome. Kaladin cares about everyone. And he cared about Shen also in Way of Kings - during one of his last attacks, when they were using bones of Parshendi, he let Shen stay in tha camp so he wouldn't have to witness what they did with those bones. It's interesting to see your opinion about Moash. That was me as well, when I read the book for the first time. I just wanted my favorite characters to finally clash. But on the other hand I didn't because one of them could end up being killed and I didn't want any of these to to be dead!

He doesn't talk about making her Returned, but I think just making her Lifeless, Awaken or type 4 like Nightblood. Her body now is soulcasted into stone, most likely, and it is possible to awaken that, and even would be easy to do. What he suggest can be done. However I think it's unlikely, as Dalinar already overcome it, accept that he killed her, and was ever forgiven by her voice. So bringing her back now would lack emotional stakes that were present in OB. Adolin is unlikely as well, but now he seams to hate his father for what he's done, and that he wrote about it in his book. He is angry about it. He would not fight for Odium, but Rayse is dead, long live Taravangian! I can see, how Todium could trick Adolin into thinking that Taravangian doesn't want to fight this war and in the Duel, but want to make peace, as he now holds the Shard, but can't because he's forced to fight in the Duel. So he need Adolin to stand against his father and convince him to withdraw from it, surrender or release Todium from the contract. That would make Adolin willing contestant, but also a tricked one as well.

I don't know how to interprete that WoB. It's vague on purpose. What I know is that time dilation is effect of investiture and it works like gravity. So technically speaking, every Bondsmith can access a lot of investiture to make this effect - but he would just hold it, not use it. So i'm not sure if Dawnshard would multiply that effect. Again, that WoB is just vague for me. I treated Dawnshard as a surge multiplier, so every regular action can just be much more powerful. But you're right, we don't know what Dawnshards can do, we know one can destroy a planet with some surges. How Sleepless soul works? Do they have one soul spread over multiple hordelings, or each hordling has its own soul? I do think they have one, therefore if Sleepless is a mistborn, all hordlings can use it if each of them have access to metals. But Sleepless can form Nahel Bond. Why wouldn't you choose speed, mental, strength, fortune, health compounding? It's so powerful and so cheep So why can't Rysn use Dawnshard, why was she forbidden from bonding and acquiring surges, why was she allowed to have a Dawnshard if she could use it like you suggesting? How would Command on its own be able to act and do task, it's only Command? That's what Dawnshard is, powerful Command.

Odium could be stabbed. Sprens too. Stormfather should work the same, he's still spren, and in that vision-like place, it might be possible. I'm not taking whole Stormfather, just tiny bit of him, this one ability. It can be a big spike, or if two are nesseserry, I can still fit it, by losing some other powers - and I still am net positive with points. However I don't think there is anything indicating that more spikes would be reqired. That spren's ability, so I can't do it with stolen power. Can you use Dawnshard on it? It's Stormfater doing it, not you, and that's effect of huge amounts of investiture focused in one place. But zinc compounding would easily keep up with regular compression, and you can't move or react to PR in the meantime, I can. I can boost my soulcasting and create wall behind me in just right time so you crush into it! Boosting soulcasting maybe even powerful enough to just soulcast invested people without any troubles. Not a Dawnshard, but all others. But dueling with Dawnshards is hardly possible, so Dawnshard probably wins this.

Spectrograph would show two spikes, not one. Harmony would recognized Atium, and where did they get that Atium from?

Investiture isn't equal to investiture. Soul is investiture, can it power Surgebinding? No. It already has different purpose. Task is work, winning the competition is not work, it's a goal. Task is active use of investiture, like e.g. soulcasting. Dawnshards act by supercharging that task. Dawnshard is investiture and investiture is what makes Dawnshard, you can't take it away, as it will stop being Dawnshard. The same way you can't take part of your soul and fuel Surgebinding. Or like you can't take part of the Spren and use it to fuel Surgebinding. Dawnshard is not form of Surgebinding, is a Command and Command only. Dawnshard's holder provide intent, Dawnshard provide commnad, Surgeninding provides investiture performing task. https://coppermind.net/wiki/Dawnshard https://coppermind.net/wiki/Investiture We do know why, she doesn't have access to surges or any other invested arts. She can't use investiture. That's it. Sleepless specifically forbade her Surgebinding, so she couldn't use full power of the Dawnshard. Dawnshards are not a orbs you hold in hands. You become a Dawnshard when it chooses you and you accept it. It expands your spiritual web and soul. You don't hold them, you are them. I don't know if you could be more than 1 Dawnshard, but I don't think there is any WoB on that.

Oh, yeah, I forgot you took a Sleepless. How would Sleepless feruchemist work? Does every single hordling have to has its own metalminds or, just one of them? Probably everyone need its own. But zinc, copper or chromium etc? All cremlings combined makes up mind of a Sleepless, so does everyone needs zincmind of its own, or one is enough? Cremlings in living plates must look funny.

Dune part two.

The simplest answer is, like you said, Scadrial system art is just artistic version, not to scale. Look at the size of the sun, and the distance between it and Scadrial - 1AU of new orbit there is twice the diameter of the sun. Definitely not to scale. The orbit change was drastic enough to heat up surface of the planet, but not to boil its oceans away. Ashmounts were only on northern hemisphere, within Final Empire, not on southern, as Malwish did adapt to much higher temperatures in 1000 years. So planet was still in habitable zone, but close to boiling point of water, and did not provide great conditions for humans to live in. Over time, without ash, it might turn into Venus-like conditions via runaway greenhouse effect, as water vapor is a greenhouse gas. But not in 1000 years. With my post I just wanted to point out that reason that Venus is so hot, is mostly due to its atmosphere, not "some of it". Some plans of terraforming Venus, with Earth-like atmosphere, and without changing its rotation speed, can result in maximum temperature of around 35 °C. But that's plans of terraforming.

Yes, I believe so. But I don't remember if there is any hard confirmation.

Without the person that has access to investiture trying to carry out some task, not just a person. You providing the person with no access to investiture, and no task. Investiture that you already hold can't perform any task. Heightening-like attributes are passive, not active. And they are the result of great concentrations of Investiture. They don't perform any active tasks. At best you could supercharged one ability of one Dawnshard with another Dawnshard, but that's passive one, not active, this won't do much in a fight. You need kinetic investiture, you provide only static investiture. So yes, you would be invested via static investiture, and that would create Heightening-like attributes. But no kinetic investiture. You need invested arts to use Dawnshard full potential. And Rysn can't provide the intent? She can. But she has no investiture that allows her do perform tasks. Your line of argumenting "Dawnshards provide investiture therefore I can use them with full power" are not what we see in books, and what we know from WoBs, as that would mean that Rysn also has investiture from Dawnshard that she can use fully, she can't and there are WoBs to prove that, and book says that she can't use it and she is not allowed to bond a spren. I don't know if regular Breaths can be stored in Nicrosil, as it stores ability to use investiture, Divine Breath can be, but regular I don't know. I cheated the system while following its rules! I use hemalurgy in its intended way Hemalurgy is for cheating the system, to get something that you shouldn't have. I don't think so - Coppermind WoK prolog - "It is also not possible for a wielder of an Honorblade to Surgebind while wearing Plate, due to interference from the gemstones." But you can remove gauntlet or very tip of your finger.

Do we know Scadrial's sun luminocity? If it's lower than Our Sun, it might make Ashmounts just barely saving the planet.

Dawnshards are commands, they invest their vessels, but they do not come with invested abilities. They can't be used without some form of surgebinding or any other invested art. From Coppermind about Dawnshard:

Venus temperature is due to runaway greenhouse effect of its atmosphere. It's 96% CO2 that traps heat inside. And it's around 100 times denser than Earth's atmosphere. Venus might have been in Sun's habitable zone in the past, when Sun was dimmer, but right now if Earth was in Venus orbit, the oceans would boil.

And no invested abilities so you can't use any Dawnshard.