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If Callandor is not invested but is just a gateway for investiture to pass through it would be like, again RoW spoilers: This would mean, that while Callandor is passing investiture, it's getting slightly invested (temporary), preventing it from being immediately destroyed. However Nightblood would most likely draw more investiture than Callandor could provide and collapse/sever the link between it and True Power, ultimately consuming the sword after it. It would be like trying to power Nightblood with an Aon.

Yes, that was what I wanted to write, but do it wrong. Only 2-3 times stronger rest is somewhat bigger. My reasoning here was, while Shardplate increases strength, so does pewter and it's additive. So for example, I put some random numbers into it, Pewter gives 2x strength, while Shardplate 10x, which would result in 12 times stronger punch, while without pewter only 10x. So pewter Kal would be slightly stronger, faster etc. If his plate would get damaged and locked he would still be very fast, and we've seen how Kal can fight someone with Shardplate and dodge, blades and punches, so losing the Shardplate is not a death sentence yet. But the advantages of pewter are not the great in fights with plate, that's why I consider them mostly equal fights.

Just for clarification, it's not the speed or faster travel that changes the terminal velocity, it is the force of gravity that does it. The bigger is the force of gravity, the bigger force of air drag needs to be to equalized gravity which results in 0 acceleration. Terminal velocity is the speed in which there is no longer any acceleration. Stacking multiple lashings results in greater gravitational force, which means a bigger force of air drag is needed to cancel it out, and therefore you can accelerate longer which increases terminal velocity. I know you know this, so I just want to clarify that so there is no confusion. Edit: However the drag force does depend on the speed you are traveling. The greater this speed is, the bigger this force gets. If the speed is greater than terminal velocity, drag force would be bigger than force of gravity, which would result in negative acceleration slowing you down.

Feruchemy is far more practical in daily life. And I take steel for compounding, infinite speed is just so useful and powerful.

I don't think they are. They're currently fighting a global war, and their leaders are using SIngers as puppets just to return, killing thousands of them. They had to migrate and leave their homes after Everstorm came, some might get killed due to Hightstorms and harsh traveling conditions and many were forced to war immediately and were thrown at walls of Kholianr and fields of Herdaz. Most Fuzed care only about winning the war not about maintaining Singers population. I would say Singers are currently at a steep decline, however there is tens of millions of them, so the effect of that would not be seen yet. Also Singers now have access to human slaves and workers on occupied grounds, so workforce is provided when they change to mate form. Singers can choose mate form whenever they want, become pregnant and maybe even go back to their form and work after that while being pregnant. Kids seams to be growing faster than human kids and are more independent - they don't need their parents, their parents can work, while the babysitter takes care of those who needs it.

So from Coppermind about Stormlight: I admit I don't remember if Stormlight gives more strength or speed, but Coppermind suggests it doesn't, so Kal with pewter would be 2 or 3 times stronger, and somewhat faster, more agile and more balanced, than Kal with Stormlight. Kal with Stormlight can heal however. Both don't feel exhaustion. So while pewter makes you stronger, faster and able to withhold wounds, Stormlight can heal, so I would say they cancel each other out. I assuming dead shards are used in this fight, for simplicity and to make it more equal. So in the fight without shards, Kal with pewter would have just a slight edge, as both can take more damage, but he can strike much harder than the other, draining other Kal's Stormlight faster. Pewter Kal would be much harder to hit because of his speed and balance. With Shardblades, I say the balance shifts to Stormlight Kal. He can heal a Shardblade cut, pewter Kal doesn't. He needs to only strike him once and precisely, and he wins. Stronger hits are not that advantageous with Shardblades. With Shardplates and blades - I think this would be mostly an equal fight, with a very slight edge for pewter Kal. He can strike harder and therefore faster damage the Shardplate, and he can immobilize Stormlight Kal that way - Stormlight would be drained out of him to repair damaged plate, so he would last much longer. Kal with pewter could most likely move with locked Shardplate on him. That's why I say it's equal. With only Shradplates - I think it would look similar to the one with Shardblades, but Kal with pewter can strike and break the plate more easily, while Kal with Stormlight would have a much harder time doing that. Mostly equal fight.

WoB confirmes that Kel is lying to Ghostbloods Also Kel as a sliver is harder for Harmony to control via Hemalurgy, that also might apply to hearing and talking to him. Also also, why would Kel Soulstamp himself become without Allomancy? All he tries to do is to make invested arts common among people of Scadrial. This would be counterintuitive, as if he has that kind of Soulstamp, then they are just one step away for making Soulstamps granting Allomancy, and they have access to Dor to fuel it. This would also mean that Shai would know his is without powers while stamped, contradicting the WoB, but just a little bit. Interesting but I don't think this is the case. I think Kelsier learned how to see the world through the spike to replace his eye - it's more similar to how Awakened objects see

Did you read RoW?

Aluminum is already used like everywhere, That includes weapons and missiles. So with surveillance covering most of the Earth, it might not take them long. Against Scadrial they would figure it out very fast.

Alright, let me clarify what I meant. I'm assuming you want to create a fully aware, fully sapient/sentient Awakened body with free will. In the image of what Returned are (Returned are Type 1), but not like they are made. It might be possible, but by the categorisation it won't be Lifeless or Type 2 anymore, as it is now much more "alive". Yes, we know Lifeless are aware, some are more than others, like Clod, but they are not fully sapient/sentient yet, and definitely don't have free will. To create that, we need more than just putting Breaths into the body, we need a new Command. Command for Lifeless is "Awaken to my Breath, serve my needs, live at my Command and my word". It doesn't provide any room for free will. But new Commands can be made. By WoB you provided (nice one), it also would require the right Intent. If you don't want free will, then with the right intent and enough Breaths, you could bring the dead body's personality back. That Lifeless might be also more aware. But would it be fully sapient/sentient? I don't know. So you have lots of Breaths and dead bodies. Can you Awaken it with right Command, and right Intent so it gains full sapience/sentience, full awareness. total free will. and starts talking and reasoning like Nightblood? Would its personality take the shape of a deceased person's personality, or would it be determined by your Command/Intent? For this I don't have an answer. It might be possible, similar to how Nightblood was created. But there is no number of Breaths that you can just put into the body and it will become fully sentient. You need more than that, you need Command and Intent at least - that's why I said it's not possible in the first post, as simply putting more Breaths into Lifeless won't necessarily make it sentient. And that's what I was arguing about. Failing to make a sapient Lifeless means no sapiency, so no Returned. You get just regular Lifeless. What I meant is success in making sapient Lifeless would make him more like Returned, much less like Lifeless. I wouldn't call it Lifeless anymore. So yes, it's a flaw in categorisation as you are making something that is not categorized, but that result would be much more closer to Type 1, than Type 2. Type 1 is "Spontaneous Sentient BioChromatic Manifestations in a Deceased Host - Returned". Impractical? You think that the ability to create Cognitive Shadows by a regular person is impractical? For now only Shards or huge amounts of investiture can do it. If there is a way for Awakener to make artificial Returned (Cognitive Shadow) it would be extremely practical. You could bring dead loved ones truely back to live.

I already talked what I think about it. Was that reverse lashing or was it an adhesive full lashing? Quote? Coppermind, RoW Ars Arcanum - "The Surgebinder must maintain contact with the object to Reverse Lash it"

Yes, that's a difference but tanks not only have computerized fire control but also machine guns on them. And if there are multiple targets, there will also be multiple tanks with infantry and IFV. Tanks are not alone on battlefield. Again, many anti-aircraft systems are missile based, most probably. Missiles that are attached to jets - yup, they can correct its own course to hit any given target. Not to mention manpads - those are rockets fired by infantry that can correct its course to hit the target - famous Javelin or TOW. They are not fully self guided, but they all can change directions during flight - that's what matters in this case. Reverse lashing won't work if the rocket is guided by laser beam, heat signature, radar, optics, wire or whatever is used - it will correct itself to remain on course and hit Radiant. Moreover missiles move at such speeds that reverse lashing won't have time to change their course. Not to mention, Reverse lashing requires touch to work, Windrunners can do it only to things he touches, so lashing a rocket to a door frame he stands next to would be just as harmful.

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You can't. Fully sapient Lifeless, like Returned, is impossible to make as a Type 2 Biochromatic entity. If it gained sapience it won't be Lifeless anymore, it would be Returned. Lifeless is only "Mindless Manifestations in a Deceased Host". Making it not mindless would make it not Type 2 anymore. Intent matters. Moreover, the number of Breaths doesn't determine the strength or intelligence of Awaken object. Vasher Awakens with hundreds of Breaths, and no object ever start "talking" to him. Intent matters. It's also Law of Comparability - "The amount of Breath required to Awaken something isn't necessarily indicative of its power once Awakened". But Lifeless already are sapient to some degree. They have a brain, they can "think" or at least better interpret commands. Someone might argue that Lifeless are sapient in that way, but we know we're talking about Returned level sapiency. That's just impossible. The question you should be asking is can you Awaken Returned and how much Breaths would it cost - 2500 Breaths, that's how much Divine Breaths is worth, but can humans do it without Shard. I don't know. But that's interesting to speculate. You would need to catch someone's souls in CR and infuse it with Investiture and Command. It might be possible with right Intent and Command, but it might also require some way to connect the soul back to its body. That artificial Returned won't also have access to Fortune and future visions like Shard made Returned. Yes you can. His body is already dead and separated from his soul. Your Breaths replace that soul. Yes, he's more invested, you can take that investiture away. In that case I would say no, as Breaths power them. More Breaths doesn't mean stronger Lifeless or awaken objects (Vasher explained it). So Lifeless made out of 50 Breaths would be as strong as Lifeless made out of 1 Breath, if similar bodies were used. The same goes with all senses and other abilities. Lifeless retains a level of skill and abilities that it had in life. This is an interesting question. Clod couldn't regenerate his body, Jewels had to maintain it, sew the wounds and replace muscles. This means Lifeless body doesn't have regenerative functions of the living body, because well, it's dead. So Kandra-lifeless won't have them as well, as this is the same process we're talking about, but Kandra can do it much faster than humans. So I doubt they could do it or even change shape.

That's why I love Adolin, he's such a nice guy for everyone. This chapter shows the best of him, unlike Kaladin where it's the worst of him. You are getting closer to the end of WoR. You'll have a lot of action soon. Not every Order is like this. Windrunners value morality and oaths, while Skybreakers are all about following the law. Some Orders can lie and perjure all they want (khem khem Shallan). But all Orders has to live up to their Oaths and Ideals. That can cause problems to Radiants. Kaladin and Shallan in chasm is one of my favorite sequence in WoR. It's so therapeutic for them, so nice to see them finally getting close. For some it's where Shalladin ship first sailed. Yes, that's a secret out It's so nice to wake up to this surprise of so many new reactions from you. We all had moments when we couldn't stop reading, and you choose the right one for that. This was another great fight scene. Chasmfiends are so cool, I was sad they had to kill it.

Terminal velocity happens when drag force of the air is equal to the force of gravity, both of those forces cancel each other out resulting in 0 acceleration. Terminal velocity isn't killing or hurting anyone. Again, it's not about them being hurt by greater speeds, it's about their muscles that can't move as fast as the speed they currently have. At some speed they simply won't be able to push themself any further as if they try, it will slow them down or they will stumble and fall down. It takes less time than you think, tank turret can fully rotate in 9 seconds. You're kidding me? AA-missiles? Air-air missiles? Almost all missiles contain some form of guidance and control mechanism. That's how they stay on course. Missiles have speed of Mach 5, ICBM of Mach 23. Reverse lashings just won't do anything to them.

I think in that case it is because the masses of the air are "pushing" Windrunner along with them, so the air doesn't produce that big drag force, or the drag force is pushing them with the air. Their body is their limit. They need to use muscles and there will be a moment when they can't move any faster as they can't keep up with the acceleration they want to gain.

I have to be realistic, I don't like changes, I would be a perfect fit for Preservation in all its negativity. That's why I doubt I would want to be shard. For a hybrid - all of them so I don't have to worry about conflicting natures of different parts of me. If not for this option, Cultivation, Endowment or Invention would be nice to balance my negativity

My point was a tank can just drive away, and only Windrunners and Skybreakers can catch up to it. The Abrams tank M1A1 has a speed on road: 45 mph (72 km/h), off-road: 30 mph (48 km/h). Even Edgedancers can't move that fast. Tank won't just stand and wait for Radiant to walk up to it, as you suggested, it will drive away. And tank can engage from several kilometers, and doesn't need to stop to fire. Radiant can't do that, most powers presented by them so far require touch.

Which I pointed out was a bad example. Those are parts of his surges. They are not from some external source. He can do it because of his surges. Yeah, I feel you. I just wanted to point out definition of few words. Miles was said to be constantly healing. Miles has a concentration of investiture bigger than Wax. With compounding he gains more investiture than he used it as an input.

You mean magic that some people have the ability to perform and magic that does something when used? Sounds like it's fitting the definition of power perfectly. Did I miss the chapter when she was walking on her hands at 10 mph? Yes, that's what you've been ignoring this whole time. Those are your definitions? You should start this discussion with that, instead of telling that Oxford English dictionary is wrong. By those definitions compounders are more powerful, as they can concentrate large amounts of investiture in their metalminds in form of feruchemical attributes, and this is something that no other people can do. So by YOUR definition Miles was more powerful than Wax, as he had huge concentration of investiture in his metalminds, which Wax didn't have. Then I have to ask you, why did you argue otherwise?

I'm presenting you definition of words by Oxford English dictionary. By those definitions skill is important factor of ability, and ability is defining factor of power, therefore skill is important factor of power. I base my arguments on a world renowned dictionary. Your comparison is plainly wrong and without any logic, based on nothing. It isn't valid. It doesn't matter what Division can do, what matters is that Nale has Division. Like I said before it's pointless to discuss it any further, when you're unwilling to acknowledge the definition of words you are using.

Again, how many times do I have to repeat this? He had Feruchemy, Elend didn't. Definition of power is "the ability or capacity to do something or act in a particular way." - Marsh has the ability to use some feruchemical metals and has the capacity to compound that. Therefore he was more powerful that Elend was. By the same definition of the word "power", compounding is the ability to burn your own metalmind and get feruchemical attribute from allomancy - this ability is not present in someone who is not a compounder, therefore it's a power. Miles was more powerful in this regard as he had the ability (power) to burn his metalminds, which Wax didn't. All I'm doing is using the definition of words. Elantrian who has learned new Aon gains more power as ability is defined by skill - "possession of the means or skill to do something / talent, skill, or proficiency in a particular area." Taking the entire books into account, we know Skybreakers are capable of using Division and Honorblades grants unrestricted powers to its wielder. We also know from those books that Heralds are extremely skillful fighters. Narratively Dalinar was facing a more powerful enemy than he was. Discussions about semantics can become rather bloody. That's why they are so pointless, as every side is right.

Excuse me, the what?? So 6 BILLION people who are Radiants/Mistings/Elantrians etc? For comparison, US population is 332 mil, and have 1.35 million active military personnel with additional 0.8 million in reserves - that's 2.15 million which is 0.6% of US population! Additionally they have 17 mil that can be drafted - which is 5.1% of its population. There are around 28 mil active military personnel in the whole world (google), which is 0.35% of world population. If we assume 5.1% of people in the world can be drafted into the army, then Earth has around 408 mil people that can be drafted. However Earth doesn't have equipment nor supplies for even fraction of that number. And you are giving 6 billion surgebinders to Cosmere? Like what? That's 700 mil Radiants in each order (without Bondsmiths). To say that's crazy is understatement. In that case even Scadrial wins... I think you all are missing one point with Soulcasting from CR. When Shallan soulcast from PR, she touches the object and can talk to its cognitive manifestation. However in CR, she needs to first FIND the bead that represents that object (like it was shown in Jasnah unreleased chapter), and that beed doesn't need to be in the same place. So when you have a fast moving object, that often changes its location, its cognitive manifestation doesn't need to follow it. You won't find jet's cognitive manifestation where jet is flying in PR. Moreover, there is more trash on Earth than there are objects on Roshar. Finding cognitive manifestation of an jet or tank in CR will be like finding a needle in earth size haystack. Good luck with that. (I imagine that Earth cognitive manifestation of objects are not mists or beads, but just pieces of trash...) No windrunner, skybreaker or elsecaller would EVER catch up to a jet 15km in the air moving 6.5x faster than they ever could. Just no way. They will never even get close to a jet. The sonic boom that jet generates would cause them harm. Adding to it, jet can fire laser guided missiles and shoot down from the sky all glowing people. They can't but US spy satellites have a resolution of 5cm. Yes, they can see any object larger than 5 cm. They can see every glowing man on Earth. They can easily spot unusual concentration of people in some building and report their movements. The only way for Roshar or Sel (with reasonable numbers of Surgebinders) to "win" that war is to fight from CR only - which is so boooooring. And it would still take a lot of time to destroy Earth resistance.

Well, you should see this coming after his imprisonment Yes, Shallan's story is much better in this one, more action, mysteries, training. This chapter is great example of this.