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That would be a very good idea, to have confrontation between two Heralds on opposing sides. However it's unlikely that would happen in Urithiru now - Taln is in Azimir, abandoned and forgotten by the Coalition. The Azish gate might soon stop working because its spren became Enlightened and who knows what they decide to do next. This confrontation would need to happen in Azimir, which still makes it quite likely.

I think it's most likely about Kaladin becoming Dalinar's successor as the king of Urithiru - he already asked Kaladin about it in earlier WoT chapters The tower and the crown are glyphs forming Dalinar's crest, Kaladin might adapt it to himself by adding a spear, when he becomes the king of Urithiru (the fallen title) after whatever happens to Dalinar. WoT ch 5:

Breaths are easy to use as a fuel because they attune to your Identity when transferred. Stolen pieces of the soul are not (which even prevents Compounding). Moreover, Breaths aren't doing anything, they are not programmed to do any specific task unless used in Awakening. Stolen pieces of the soul are. You steal stuff which does something to you and is responsible for giving you strength or abilities. The same with Feruchemy - it's tuned to a specific task. You can't fuel your healing with stored strength even if you can access both metalminds and both have the same identity. Both investitures are coded to do something else. If you strip that coding out of investiture and align Identities, then you may be able to use it as raw fuel for everything. That's what Set was trying to achieve. They were trying to steal pieces of the soul and program them to give specific powers, which is something that can be done with raw investiture, at least according to Moonlight. This WoB is talking about a reverse situation - trying to use raw investiture for anything requires something to tell it what to do. Invested Arts are that thing - metals in Allomancy, Aons in AonDor etc. But when you have not-raw investiture, but "used" investiture like fragments of the spirit web or Feruchemical storages, that investiture was already told what to do. You have to get rid of that first and stripping it out of its identity is not enough.

Hello, welcome to the Shard. This topic should be in the Cosmere section because it's about two different book series. I'll ask mods to move it there. What do you mean by this? You mean her body? Her body isn't real. Hoid made a Lightweaving for Design and attached her to it. Moreover, Hoid did suggest that giving spren an actual body ended to be a very bad idea. Yumi ch 5: If you mean how she behaves, then yes. The higher the Oath, the more sapient and intelligent spren become. We saw this happening to Syl, to Pattern and even to the Stormfather. They can probably even grow beyond who they were without the bond as the Stormfather now is capable of understanding why Radiants or Heralds abandoned their Oaths, when before he could only hate them for this. OB ch 38: OB ch 113:

There are pigs on Roshar. I really can't find the person you're talking about. There was Pigherder in Hearthstone, but that's just it. No WoBs on that person too.

You're right, you would need to find pure, Allomantic metals in the planet to burn it. Most don't exist like that in nature. Even copper or iron are mostly found as ores, being bound to a bunch of other elements. It's about proximity to the soul. You swallow metals so they can get inside of or close to your soul, to become a part of your spirit web. I don't know if a mere Connection created by Ishar would be enough to consider metals in the planet as being close to or a part of your soul.

They would not have powers of that Fused, but they theoretically would be able to bond spren using Fused gemheart.

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It should have. Hallandren's jungle is the way it is because it's saturated with investiture leaking from perpendicularity located in this area. It was a painting, but yes. A cherry on top is the fact that Endowment was involved more than usual in the creation of Nightblood and I can't say more without spoiling things. This is something that will be explained in the sequel, but this can also be achieved without anything special going on. If they all Returned not at the same time, and weren't immediately taken by the Cult of the Returned, they could have reminded each other that they are siblings. They could have come from a different country, not everyone treats Returned like they do in Hallandren, for example Returned in Idris are treated differently and they generally stay for a week with their family before they die again. Or they'd regained their memories, but intentionally or not they failed to fulfill their reasons for Return. Another rather far-fetching possibility, they were scholars when they were alive and they made themselves into Returned. If you're invested enough in the moment of death, you will become a Cognitive Shadow - this doesn't mean Returned specifically, so that's why it's far-fetching (still it's my headcanon for now ).

You can do that with any Radiant Order, the trick is that whether a knight is upholding his Oaths depends on their and their spren interpretation. There are some limits to this, but you can have an evil Honorspren, who would consider killing all humans as a way to protect all spren from another Recreance for example. Spren are capable of being evil because they have free will. RoW spoilers: You can also have an insane spren that also allows them to twist the interpretation of Oaths to do evil things. But in those situations Oaths are still the limiting factor - your character needs to have some goal in mind, some justification which makes them believe what they are doing is right or maybe even moral, their Oaths needs to represent it. WoBs:

No, I don't think it's probable. While they definitely share a Connection and Dalinar can reach Nohadon through that and see echoes of the past, they are not the same person. We know Dalinar when he was younger, we saw him through his Oathbringer flashbacks, he was known by others to be a child, like Gavilar or Navani - they knew him and watched him grow up. He can't be ageless so he can't be Nohadon who just forgot everything. Also, Nohadon lived around 5,000-6,000 years ago, he would be closer in age to Heralds and that means if he was still alive, he would most likely suffer from some kind of mental problems. Dalinar does have PTSD, but we know why - the Rift. Spiritually this also wouldn't really make sense. Nohadon's spirit web being attached to Dalinar, as some kind of reincarnation would also suffer from insanity and would also be somewhat visible. Simply speaking, Dalinar was inspired by Nohadon and understands him well because Dalinar is struggling with the same problems Nohadon was struggling with. Nohadon's life resonates well with Dalinar because Dalinar can learn from him and he strives to be like him. This forms a Connection between them and Dalinar with his Bondsmith powers can reach through that Connection into the Spiritual Realm, take out one of the possibilities existing there and create a version of Nohadon he can interact with (that's what happened when Dalinar had a vision of him in OB). Or Nohadon is still alive and through that Connection Dalinar can reach him. But I highly doubt they are the same person, even though mechanically speaking it is somewhat possible. But we will probably see Nohadon when Dalinar goes to the SR.

It was. RoW ch 112:

The vision takes place during the 8th Epoch, year 337 (said in WoK ch 19) - that's well after the establishment of the Knights Radiants, who existed since at least the 6th Epoch and at that time the Stormfather already existed as one of the Bondsmith spren. In previous chapters the Sibling said they are around 6000 years old and the Stormfather is older than they are - and from the Nohadon vision we know that during his times Knights Radiants weren't a thing yet (which means he lived before the 6th Epoch), but Urithiru already existed. And this means the Stormfather is older than Radiants and he already existed when the Starfall vision happened. Also, Highstorms predate the Shattering so they've been around for a very, very long time.

Anti-Stormlight did no lasting damage to Shallan as expected unfortunately, but a new thing (I think) seems to be that Radiants of higher Oaths are less porous to light. Why? What changes about their body that they leak less light? Was it mentioned before? I don’t remember that part. And in the end they captured all of Ghostbloods except for the three main guys. Of course they did, of course the mission went almost perfectly. I’m so utterly disappointed by how all of this was executed. Shallan basically single-handedly destroyed the Rosharan cell of Ghostbloods in one sweeping strike, one of "the most powerful secret organizations in Cosmere." Just like this, with barely no effort… Lift spending time with Gavinor and telling him to do stuff he isn’t supposed to do seems like a foreshadowing of the child champon theory. But truthfully, everything in this book seems like a foreshadowing of some theory. It’s like Brandon is reading them all… I think there might be some error with the chicken because at the end of RoW Dalinar said that Wyndle is carrying this red chicken with him, but now Lift said she hasn’t seen him since her imprisonment. She also healed the bird when she saved him in I-5 so why is it still hurt? It’s error or did he just leave Wyndle before Lift found him? Or maybe Wyndle is hiding him? Maybe that’s not Wyndle at all, maybe that's a Wyndle-Faker?? Lift stares at people a lot - she’s crushing on everybody who's passing by her - she’s definitely growing up. She should file a complaint to Cultivation at this point. Oh no! Dalinar doesn't have time to play with swords with little Gav. That’s very bad and sad. Poor Gavinor just wants to be loved by somebody. This breaks my heart! Odium will be pleased. Renarin’s visions are interesting. The first one seems to be about him becoming a king of Aletekhar under Singer rule, next one is the Everstorm, next one is from Dalinar’s vision (death rattle rattles in my mind!) which seems to suggest somehow that Dalinar will confront Odium in this vision, maybe, something idk, 12 people in Shinovar, that’s the Bridge Four finding peace in Shinovar (physical Syl, Sig and Rock are there). And the last one is BAM as seen with Atium - well, they see the future so it works the same. And because of her, they could see what she might be able to do once freed. And in the end looks like we have now know exactly when the Last Legion abandoned Odium - during the False Desolation.

When Adonalsium was Shattered, all investiture in Cosmere was assigned to each of the sixteen Shards. Even though they settled somewhere else, their investiture is everywhere in Cosmere, on every planet. On the planet with no Shardic presence, spirit webs of newborn people would most likely be made out of investiture present in the system - which is investiture of all sixteen Shards, more or less equal. This investiture isn't identityless, as it's still tied to Shards, but those Shards simply aren't aware of this (usually).

No, I think it's very unlikely that Heralds were on Braize physically with their bodies. Braize has no livable atmosphere and Fused and Voidspren are not physically on the planet. Instead they are all as souls and spren in the Cognitive Realm. Heralds would have no need to have their bodies there. Moreover, we know that every time Heralds return to Roshar, new bodies are created for them by the Oathpact - which simply means when they die their souls are separated from their bodies, which are left behind on Roshar as corpses.

You did say they were "Lifeless Knights Radiant or Fused in their plates" so that implies living Shards with access to Surgebinding. A dead plate still looks and "shines" in such a way that Tress would have mentioned it. She just said it's armor, not "a futuristic, out of this world armor with no seams between segments, that looked like a piece of art" - nope, it was just armor. Moreover, Riina's soldiers were said to be impervious to cannonballs and a Shardplate, with all of its power, isn't - even a few bullets shot by Wax can destroy a Shardplate segment. If Wax can do it with a gun, then a cannonball, shot from an actual cannon, can definitely break a Shardplate. Their programming did account for immobilization - which means if they had Shardplates, the first thing they would try to do is to use the strength given by the plate to free themselves. Then they would call for help. And if they were Autonomy's Men of Gold and Red then what are they even doing on some backwater planet, serving as Riina guards? Do you think Autonomy's private army, capable of breaking plantes, would be given to Riina just so they can guard her tower? That doesn't make any sense. And where are their guns? They had futuristic guns in TLM, in Tress they had just primitive shields and spears - why downgrade them? Why also there are just a hundred of them in Tress, if there were thousands of them in TLM? And if they were Fused/Radiants, then the timeline doesn't fit at all for them to be Autonomy's army in TLM. Scadrial is not the first place where the Men of Gold and Red appeared. They had a history of subjugating planets on Autonomy's order that predates the events of SA. Fused and Spren, dead or alive, are also incapable of leaving Roshar as of RoW - they are tied to it by the nature of their investiture and simply can't get off the planet. We only know that Hoid was able to find a way to leave with Design and appear in Era 2, but that's not telling us how would Autonomy gather hundreds of Shardplates and Shardblade, Radiants or Fused to create her Lifeless army and get them off Roshar hundreds of years before Hoid did it. I don't think Riina's soldiers were Autonomy's Men of Gold and Red. I also don't think Riina's army used Shardplates or Shardblades, because those armors and weapons aren't described like them. Instead, I think they were Lifeless modeled after Kalad's Phantoms - bones encased in metal. Kalad's Phantoms were taller than normal people, they were impervious to basically any weapon on Nalthis and metal would make them impervious to cannonballs. Why even use a Shardplate when you can make your own?

There is no need for a spoiler box for content that's not in the spoiler zone. RoW and SA is fine to be discussed openly in the Cosmere section. I think this might be impossible for Sja-Anat to achieve. It was already incredibly hard for her to corrupt the powerful spren of the Kholinar Oathgate, the Bondsmiths spren are just several magnitudes above True Spren like Glys or even Sja-Anat. They are the most invested entities on Roshar (excluding Shards) and even Sja-Anat herself is far less invested than they are. She probably doesn't have enough power to Enlighten them, even if they were to agree - which they won't do anyway. Unmaking and Enlightening are also two different things - Enlightening changes the spren, Unmaking rips their soul and mind to pieces, killing them and making them into something else. For the Sibling to work with Odium, they needed to be Unmade, not Enlightened. OB ch 97: RoW I-2: RoW ch 89:

No, that's not a Shardplate - Shardplates glow, those armors don't glow. It's a detail hard to miss when you see a Shardplate for the first time. Shardplates also give the strength of 10-20 men, they would rip those vines apart with no problem if that was a Shardplate. That armor is nothing like a Shardplate. Moreover, death breaks the Nahel Bond between the knight and the Radiant so Lifeless won't be able to have Shardplates or Shardblades on their own. Spren can decide to break the bond as well - they can't be forced to stay with someone they don't want to. Furthermore, Lifeless souls are replaced with Breaths - a fake soul with a different identity, so they normally can't use abilities they had while being alive. The original soul of either Radiants or Fused that gave them powers is gone, Breaths can't replace that. After death, it's just a normal dead corpse, it has no powers. Arsteel is an example of this. He was Returned before he died, as the Lifeless Clod he isn't like Returned, he can't do things Returned can - his Divine Breath left his body when he died. If they were wearing a dead Shardplate, that dead (or living) plate might interfere with their Awakening, just as dead plate prevents a Radiant from using their Surgebinding - it's not attuned to their Identity. WoK ch 1 - description of a dead Shardplate: RoW ch 110 - living Shardplate description: WoK prologue:

I honestly can't see anything in the text that would suggest it. And we have a confirmation in OB I-6 that Fused needs Singer's bodies every Return. The new way of reborning is new because Fused doesn't have to go back to Braize, they inhabit the Everstorm and can take over bodies of Singers whenever they want - but they needed Singers previously as well.

You mean Fabrials are Ashynite Surgebinding? No, they are magic-tech. Fabrials are actually a safer way of doing Surgebinding than Nahel Bond and they would be incapable of destroying Ashyn, even when a Dawnshard is involved. Ashynite Surgebinding is also related to the Old Magic, which is separate from Fabrials. The magic of Ashyn right now is disease-based, but it wasn't always like this and the destruction of Ashyn changed it. There is also no mention of Splinter presence on Ashyn in Rosharan Essay in Arcanum Unbounded. Brandon kind of counts Fabrials as a Rosharan magic system alongside Old Magic and Surgebinding. With all of this (and probably more) it seems unlikely that Fabrials originated on Ashyn. Yumi spoilers:

The fact that it's a god metal will prevent a Shardblade from cutting its Connections - which truthfully I don't know how would that even work. Shardblade would just bounce off Harmonium. Shardblades cuts in all three realms - it always cuts the SR first (it cuts soul first when cutting living things). Shardblades can cut Connections.

I don't fully understand what you mean. The term Surge and Surgebinding is a Rosharan name for all kinds of magics and invested arts. Just because the Eila Stele calls what humans used a Surge, doesn't mean they referred specifically to the Rosharan Surgebinding. The Ashyn was destroyed using Ashynite Surgebinding, people came to Roshar using Ashynite Surgebinding, Rosharan Dawnsingers would recognize it as Surgebinding and call it as such. The Eila Stele said that they came from another world using Surgebinding. So Heralds didn't receive their Honorblade before they arrived on Roshar (if that's what you were confused about). But there is some weirdness involved here. People were asking why would Heralds get Honorblades if they weren't meant to fight in repetitive Desolations? Why did Honor give them weapons, if they were meant to just trap Fused forever on Braize? There is some uncertainty here and it's possible that Honorblades were given to them before the Oathpact was made.

I disagree. In my opinion for Preservation's general plan it was enough that Allomancy existed. People could have realized what Allomancy was and that it could be used to burn Atium, but they needed to work on this on their own, make the right choices. Leras gave them tools, they just needed to connect the dots and figure stuff on their own. If they had been incapable of doing so, Scadrial would have been lost (if Ruin was freed back then). That you think Mists just weren't appearing before Rashek's times? That's not true, they were always on Scadrial after Ruin was imprisoned, but only during the night. Preservation left them to be autonomous, they were lying dormant waiting for the Well to be filled, then they were activated and started to persist during the day longer and longer. That was always happening. Even during Alendi's time, there were people who disregarded the threat posed by the Deepness? Why would they do this if Mists were unknown before? Because they weren't, they knew the Mists, they knew they posed no danger, they didn't think they could change. TFE ch 22 epigraphs: That's one possibility. The other is that the First Generation knew some of it before Rashek's Ascension. We don't know how much of what they knew came from Rashek and what was originally part of their religion. Ruin didn't have just one perpendicularity, he had many. There were several smaller perpendicularities in and under the Pits of Hathsin and that's because the Pits contained a massive amounts of investiture which can pierce all realms if there is too much of it in one place. Wherever the Pits were, there were Ruin's perpendicularities. And because we KNOW from Alendi's journal that one of Ruin's Shardpool was spotted close to the Well, we know that's where the Pits containing Atium were located. Additionally, we know that Rashek didn't just move the Well to Luthadel, he shifted the entire crust of Scadrial so he could place Luthadel on top of the Well, in lower latitudes - this means that the location of the Pits relative to the Well was preserved. The Well and the Pits were always close to each other. Because of this, because Atium was almost exactly at the north pole, high in the highest mountains, far away from any human settlement, people would have no idea about it at allo. I proposed that the religion of Terris contained some information about Atium, something like saying there is the physical body of gods somewhere out there or stuff like this. Not naming it, not saying exactly what it does, just vague clues about its existence - enough to make people realize what needs to be done when the time comes, but not enough to make Ruin realize its true meaning. Also, we know that ancient Terris were knowledgeable about Realmatics, they were studying if trees can think - it's possible they were able to use the Well or Pits to travel into the CR.