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You're right, Kalad's Phantoms are just oversized, they have human bones inside after all. It's just an additional layer of stone around those bones that makes them oversize - at least that's how I imagine them. But they aren't that big as in the image - blame artistic freedom. But this doesn't have to be a Phantom - people of T'Telir create new statues every year and place them around the city. Maybe they just create huge statues from time to time? Warbreaker ch 8:
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Ehh, you're really missing my point here. The plan was a general one, accounting for all of this whenever it would happen. Yes, there would be a person who would take up Preservation and kill Ruin (probably the same person as the one chosen to pick up the power of the Well). Yes, there would be clues prepared for people about Allomancy and Atium. Yes, there would be an army of electrum Mistings who would burn Atium away. All of those things and others are included and planned for, but not to specific individuals. The part you're missing is that the success of Leras' plan relied only on choices people made. If people back then, or even during Era 2 made wrong choices and didn't realize what Allomancy or Atium is, they would not defeat Ruin. Leras only hoped what he left them would be enough to help defeat Ruin, but they would need to make those connections themselves. The success of Leras' plan was never guaranteed, but it could have been executed before or after Vin's times as there were people with the potential to do what was required. But Allomancy existed, Alendi was using it unknowingly, people were being Snapped by Mists and electrum Mistings were being created - tools were given to them by Leras. They appeared earlier too. Alendi kept talking about the Deepness - the Mists. They existed before they started to Snap people. They were left there by Preservation to do just that - Snap people and give them weapons in form of Allomantic abilities. Well, we know where Ruin's perpendicularity was back then - at the North pole, high in the Terris mountain, near the Well, far away from anyone. That's where Atium was and that’s why nobody knew about it. It’s very likely some of the Worldbringers knew about it too from their religious teachings, as the First Generation of Kandra were fully aware of what Atium was, the whole deal between Preservation and Ruin etc. I've never said that. I said the opposite, I said it was a slow decline. I said he was a big part in past Leras' plan. But just because present Leras didn't remember what the plan was and didn't know how important Kelsier was, doesn't mean past Leras didn't know present Leras would make right choices to assist people and push them towards the right path. That wasn't present Leras then, that was Leras from 1024 years ago and his state was different from the state of present, Era 1 Leras. He probably still didn't remember what the plan was, but was in much better shape and could do much more than Leras during Era 1. Even Sazed said in HoA epigraphs that in the past, Leras was powerful enough to force inquisitors away with a simple gesture. I repeat again, it was a slow decline happening over thousands of years. Leras was active during all those times, he was doing what he could to prepare people to fight against Ruin. He was preparing Vin to be the Hero from birth, he was preparing Alendi as well, he acted when it was obvious Alendi was going to free Ruin and thanks to him Rashek was put into a position where he could take his place. Leras was an active participant throughout all of this. He might have forgotten what the full plan was, his future sight might have been unable to reach that far, but he was using it and making the best choices possible, even if he might have not fully known why they were needed.
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If Kaladin is so strong without Stormlight, than with it he would be even stronger and would most definitely see the difference. He didn't match him in strength, Kaladin stated the Regal was still stronger than he was. RoW ch 43: Yes, Kaladin caught his swinging arm earlier, but that's not enough to state he matched him in strength. Based on this quote, what Stormlight does is heal your muscles when they are pushed beyond their normal capabilities, allowing you to do more with the same strength.
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What are the limits to awakened objects as weapons?
alder24 replied to Sythrin's topic in Cosmere Discussion
Here is a WoB explaining mechanics behind those paintings. They were not Awaken, they were not created using an Awakened tool, the magic of Cosmere makes it so a small part of an artist's soul ends up in the painting, which allows a highly invested person to interpret it and see the Intent behind its creation. -
Just to clarify, "centuries" was a bad stylistic choice, I didn't mean it literally. Well, 10 millennia is still 100 centuries, so... Anyway, Leras definitely played a very long game, definitely knew Ruin would be trapped for a while, definitely knew prophecies will be tampered with and religions are important etc. That's why I said there would be people out there with the potential to pick up both Shards, not ready to do it. Look at Sazed again, look at him in TFE. At the beginning of the story he was not suitable for this role in the slightest. Throughout the following years he learned to become a rebel, a friend, an advisor, an administrator, a holy man, a leader, a warrior, he faced grief and lost all his faith, he studied all religions in hope of recovering his faith and eventually he started to believe in one faith once more. It was a long journey full of extremes, he nearly lost his life on so many occasions, or faced impossible choices. He had the potential and thanks to Preservation's planning this potential was cultivated in the right time, allowing him to grow and become a person who could hold two Shards. I believe other people like him appeared in previous centuries, people with potential, who either made wrong choices, or their potential wasn't fully explored because Ruin wasn't released. In other words, Preservation made sure that no matter what Ruin did and when Ruin got free, there would always be a person who had a potential to defeat him and he would receive needed push to put him on the path to Ascension - whether or not they would succeed, depended on their choices, but he left them hints so they could make right choices.
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My problem with the Contest of Champions.
alder24 replied to Slappyface's topic in Cosmere Discussion
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The strength enhancement is a bit unclear. As you pointed out, there are moments where it seems Stormlight gives some boost to strength, on the other hand Kaladin in RoW specifically stated that it doesn't. RoW ch 39:
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What are the limits to awakened objects as weapons?
alder24 replied to Sythrin's topic in Cosmere Discussion
I think yes, but it would be hard and not as direct as you want. Nightblood is an attempt to replicate a Shardblade with another magic system. Lightning is created in Surgebinding via use of a specific Surge - Awakening might try to replicate that. Invisibility is just Lightweaving - Awakening might be able to replicate that (or instead just replicate octopus camouflage ability, which is spectacular). Gusts of winds are just a surge of Adhesion, Awakening might be able to replicate this. I say might because it's hard to say. However we have the Father Machine which is able to create machine parts out of raw investiture, command investiture across the entire planet, manifest it as objects, create physical walls, sky, heat and all of those other things - a machine that can create lightning, wind or illusion given enough investiture would be trivial in comparison. The hard part would be to find proper Command and visualization. -
That's too. But the way Mraize described it indicates he was talking mostly about insanity. RoW ch 82: But does Thaidakar know about this? If he doesn't know, he won't use it, insanity will affect him then. He might have tools at hand, but he doesn't have the right knowledge. I think it's about Connection - they want to transport Stormlight off-world and to do that they need to disconnect it from Roshar. But Mishram also can create Voidlight and grant forms of powers, which might be important as well. RoW ch 13:
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New? I cannot count how many times did I said I adore Warbreaker the most I actually agree with you. I'm not overhyping past Lares, I think his predictions were more general rather than specific. I don't think Sazed was the Chosen One, foreseen by Leras from the very beginning as the one and only who will merge two Shards. I think he saw there would be people on the path to Ascend to both Ruin and Preservation, not one person but many throughout centuries, but they would need a little push to put them on the correct path at the right time. That was the purpose of Terris' prophecies, the sign of 16 and other clues, to assist those people when the time was right and guide them towards this unlikely chance. Sazed was one of those people. Leras set up his plan to be activated the moment Ruin was released from his prison, whenever it happened. It could happen during Rashek's times, it could happen earlier, but Preservation's plan ensured there always would be someone who could defeat Ruin and combine both Shard - however their success rested entirely on choices they would make, but Preservation gave them all necessary tools. And yes, present Leras was an important part of past Leras's plan. Did I explain it well? I think it’s a bit messy. But Leras didn't foresee how important Kelsier was. He didn't even foresee that Kelsier would let himself be killed by the Lord Ruler. But just because Leras didn't know Kelsier's role in his plan, it doesn't mean that when he pushed Kel into the Well, he didn't see it would be beneficial to Preservation, without knowing why - he most likely did see that. The same would apply to other situations. Leras was reacting to what was happening, seeing into the future to find out which choices he could make in that moment would be beneficial and in most cases he didn't know why they were good for him. SH ch 1-1:
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Of course he does, but that's not the point. He clearly said he gave them knowledge (among many other things), he clearly admitted that was a mistake, he clearly said he believes people should discover things on their own. He learned from his mistakes. As you pointed out, he is still just like any other human - prone to be wrong, prone to making mistakes and false judgements, but just like any other human, he's able to learn from them. He is still very fresh as a Vessel, he's missing human interaction, he's very inexperienced and he doesn't really know what he's doing. He's a flawed person who somehow gets a hold of an infinite power of a god - that's what Cosmere is all about. Giving more hints about technology is against Sazed's policy right now - there is no proof he intentionally revealed the idea of a film to Kandra. SoS ch 7: Precise plans? He knew all of this? He knew it here for example? SoS ch 7: Or here? SoS epilogue: Maybe here? BoM ch 28: Certainly as you said, he knew exactly what was about to happen in Bilming before TLM - oh wait, never mind that, he didn't. TLM ch 17: And of course, the evidence for the fact that he didn't realize what Wayne's role was in all of this until the very end. TLM ch 71: The future sight didn't make Sazed know all what was about to happen, it showed him billions of possibilities, it was up to him to determine which ones were likely to happen and even then he missed a lot. The further you look into the future, the harder it is to predict anything. Sazed isn't omniscient, he doesn't know everything, he can't see everything, can't be everywhere, he isn't infinite. The future sight has its limits and you simply CAN'T know what will happen - you can only guess and hope for the best. That's what Sazed was doing all this time and at every point he was outplayed by Autonomy. He was not in control at all, he didn't have a master plan accounting for all possible scenarios - he was reacting to what was happening and got Fortunate in the end. And yes, he had his own plans, he did his own moves, tried to resolve the problem on his terms, he did a lot, he prepared for this in advance, but at every point he was outplayed by Autonomy. All his victories throughout MB 4-6 in the end weren't as important as what was about to happen in TLM. Defeating Vanishers was insignificant, Bleeder was a minor inconvenience, the Bands were a dead end - it all came down to the Bilming. He was outplayed by Autonomy, who wasn't even Invested on Scadrial - he was playing checkers, while she was playing 3d chess via a zoom call from Mars - he got lucky by turning off the internet at the last moment. I'm not trying to say he did a terrible job, he did a very good job, the best he could despite his inexperience and very limited knowledge. He knew the danger was coming, he knew he needed Wax without knowing why, he tried to prepare and yet he was caught off-guard in the end. SoS ch 7: Yeah, sure he could know, but that's irrelevant, isn't it? At no point in SH did Kelsier recite the exact words that were written on that plate. He knew Spook sent his message and that was the whole point of it. I don't know what you want to prove by bringing this example up. The Vessel CAN'T ever achieve "all-encompassing awareness" because their mind is not infinite. It takes a conscious effort to realize something and if the Vessel doesn't know, they can't realize it. Vin didn't know about Leras' plan and the location of Atium, he only realized it when Ruin discovered it - that's why she could see the past because the Power knew it, saw it, witnessed it, but Vin didn't know the Power knew and didn't search for it. And Leras' "all-encompassing awareness we saw from his dying days" was so bad that he couldn't concentrate on two separate locations - just Kelsier talking was enough to distract him when he tried to stop Vin via Sazed in SH ch 2-3. Leras' mind was gone, he was a shell of what he used to be, nearly mindless. The power had more mind that he had and it acted on its own choosing a new Vessel, which was Vin. Leras from the past did predict that, Leras from the present knew that, but Leras from the present lost most of his capabilities, future sight abilities and knowledge. He was barely holding on. It was a slow decline happening over thousands of years. I will debate this. The present Leras had no idea what Kelsier's place was in all of this, which is evident by the text. The past Leras might have predicted Kelsier's involvement. However, I will dare to raise an interesting possibility - he didn't predict Kel at all in his grant plan. Kelsier was a happy accident, a result of events unfolding over thousands of years. The distant future can't be known, it can be guessed at best, but even then something will be wrong. Preservation had excellent future sight abilities, but it's impossible for him to predict everything. And those small mistakes accumulated to the point that Kelsier was needed as a correction, to make the future happen as Preservation wanted thousands of years ago. He was the right person, at the right time, doing the right thing. When we're dealing with predictions so distant, there will always be discrepancies unaccounted for. The present Preservation had mostly no idea how important Kelsier is. He might have seen that Kel was needed to train Vin, he might have seen that making Kel into a Cognitive Shadow was beneficial in some one (but only in the very moment he did that, because earlier he urged him to move on), he might have seen that Kel will help Vin Ascend. But all of that was merely a reaction to what was happening at a given moment, not a part of present Leras' plan. Past Leras' play maybe, we don't know. Present Leras didn't want that at all, just look how he reacted to Rashek's death. Possible. No, present Leras didn't want Kel to leave at first. Not present Leras. Past Leras before imprisoning Ruin might have been able to predict this all. Might. I would argue, he made sure that no matter of Ruin's manipulations, his message would still be known when the time comes. I'm guessing you were responding to two SA WoBs, so I will quote a fragment from the second WoB without spoilers: Things from the future will affect things before they happen because in the Spiritual Realm everything is one and time is irrelevant. Harmony being blinded before TLM affected his ability to see the future in some way long before Era 2. His inability to see Set members spiked by Trellium, would cause ripples back in time, which would affect Sazed. Even Set members that weren't spiked, by sheer proximity to Telsin and other Trellium bearers, would be harder to see for Harmony. Nah, I'm a Warbreaker fan in the frst place.
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Why was mistsickness so much worse for the Oracles?
alder24 replied to Lewis Nethur's question in Cosmere Q&A
I don't think there is an answer post-retcon, but pre-retcon answer was it was just harder to Snap people into Atium Mistings and that required more power. I think that post-retcon explanation is simply that Preservation designed it this way to make it obvious that those people are important, those people are special, they are part of a plan - it was the sign of 16. -
Discord and Harmony - A big clue in Way of Kings
alder24 replied to kalamitous_emoashions's topic in Cosmere Discussion
WoB: And yes, the Vessel does have a non-negligible influence over their Shard’s intent and it's interpretation: -
I think you're trying to dig too deep for some hidden meaning. What Sazed said is pretty much self-explanatory - he created a paradise and he gave humanity some amount of new knowledge and hints about possible future tech in the Words of Funding, this made humanity lazy and stagnant, he now considers this as a mistake and thinks humanity should discover things on their own, without any Shardic intervention (hints included). There is no evidence that Sazed's mention of film was an intentional play that was meant to encourage technological progression and discovery of film. Contrary, we have multiple evidence of Sazed being unwilling to say anything more than necessary and not sharing any truths or science advancement with people, kandra included. Too much to quote, just look again at TLM ch 19. He was not in control, he didn't know what was happening, he didn't know the danger was so imminent. He tried to fight against Autonomy, but was outplayed on every occasion. And he's nice enough not to eavesdrop on people. Because Kel personally dictated those words to Spook in his dream? Only after Ruin discovered a Kandra who carried Atium out of the Trust. Those things require conscious effort, Sazed mind isn't infinite, he has to focus and search for things he knows about first to find what's important, otherwise he will simply miss it - just like Vin missed everything that was happening in the Kandra Homeland before Ruin's attention shifted there. He saw them because they are of his essence - it's not that hard. Leras was almost dead and mentally incapable of knowingly doing things to fulfill his grand plan. He forgot what his plan was, he was barely able to stand against Ruin at this point. He didn't even want Kelsier to leave to find Ire, he wanted him to stay by saying they can’t help him. He didn’t use them for his plans, not consciously. SH ch 3-2: SH ch 3-3: He knows Set was building a bomb and planned to use it, he knows there is Autonomy's army coming to destroy Scadrial, he knows and pre-planned some things (like Marasi meeting Ghostblood), but he said it himself - he couldn't see, he didn't know what Trell and set were doing, he was caught off-guard by Wax's discovery. He didn't know the bomb was ready, he didn't know the danger was right here and now. He went into a full panic mode and the fact that he was blinded only made things worse. Sure, he knew a lot more than he knew in SoS and BoM, mainly because Autonomy revealed herself to him and gave him an ultimatum - after he was blinded. He could still see something, but only because the danger was so near. Those things from the future would ripple back and affect Sazed's ability to see even before they happened. That's how SR works - all things are one in the Spiritual Realms and things from the future can echo back, affecting you in the present. Slight SA spoilers: Full SA spoilers: Seeing infinite possibilities isn't that useful, it's hard to make use of them and it's wrong to rely on them too much. Bilming was a blind spot for Sazed. TLM ch 71: SH 3-3:
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SoS ch 7: TLM epilogue 4: There was an awful amount of technological knowledge available in the Words of Funding, some of it came from Sazed's Coppermind (which contained knowledge often forgotten in TFE), some came from Sazed wanting to speed up progression even more. He literally included detailed city planning documents for Elendel in his books. This was very much contradicted by what Harmony said to Kel in TLM. He wants humanity to progress organically, even hinting is too much. Gods can make mistakes, Sazed is no different. You know what I meant. Harmony doesn't directly share his knowledge with Kandra regarding technology and science. They have to discover everything on their own. They can't just ask him what F-nicrosil can do. Don't think so. It looks like he didn't know until they were brainstorming ideas on the ship. Wayne was a happy accident. Fortune was at play here of course, but Sazed wasn't aware of Wayne's importance at all. TLM ch 71: And Harmony was certainly not in control during TLM. He miscalculated, he didn't know that he had a single day till disaster happened, he didn't expect Set to escalate things so quickly. He was panicking this entire time. He failed to resolve this problem without the help of Wax, he was losing against Autonomy over and over again. Kelsier was right - Sazed didn't have it in hand. TLM ch 19:
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How many Ghostbloods agents did Marasi see? Only three. Why? Because the rest were either in Elendel or on assignments in the field collecting information about the Set and observing their movement in great detail. That's hardly any proof for Ghostbloods not having access to medallions or primer cubes. Contrary, we know they do have them as Kel was using an Malwish airship when Marasi and Moonlight contacted him, which requires weight medallions and primer cubes. We also know Ghostbloods have access to a wide range of invested arts - Awakening, Forgery, Aetherbounds, Metallic Arts and possibly even Surgebinding in TLM, with a stockpile of the Dor, aluminum and vials of metal ready for action. If they had so many things in one small city on Scadrial, I fully expect the Rosharan cell to also have access to a wide variety of invested arts, especially Metallic Arts. TLM ch 40: But in nature this is happening without the need to imprison spren drugged by music - Lesser Spren willingly bond with animals and Singers. Yes, this is a good start to resolve problems between Navani and the Sibling, to find a compromise, but from the Sibling's perspective, who did appreciate Navani and her scientists efforts, this still is imprisonment of spren. They said "All spren being free would be preferable" and the only way to achieve this (without destroying all of the fabrial technology) is to create fabrials by manifesting spren. The Sibling doesn't have any problem with this, the Tower is quite literally filled with those ancient fabrials. The difference is that fabrials are made by spren who willingly manifested as a device - no imprisonment is happening. Of course, with the recent Corruption of the Oathgate spren, it's clear that it's best not to force spren to be manifested as fabrials forever, but the solution to this is the same one as created by Navani - from time to time just replace them with new ones, so the fabrial spren could be free again. And while the ancient fabrials weren't as advanced as modern ones, I don't see any problem with this. A Shardblade and a Shardplate will create any metallic shape imagined by their knight, Yumi can manifest Hijo into any tool she can imagine - it's just the matter of proper visualization. I see no reason why Lesser Spren can't manifest as the very same fabrials used today on Roshar, if it's properly explained to them. You can always add an advanced wire cage, if for some reason they can't create it (aluminum). And to be fair, a giant plug in a gemstone seems like a pretty big imperfection to me - this should increase the rate of Stormlight leakage. It was such a big deal, when Navani finally discovered the secret of ancient fabrials, this also in my opinion should solve all problems between her and the Sibling and for me it's weird that she didn't go in this direction instantly. However, I don't believe what Navani and Rushu did is the full solution to their dispute with the Sibling - just wait till they try to make a conjoined Fabrial by ripping a spren in half. What's Navani's solution to this? She made a step towards finding a compromise, but it's not solved yet. And I doubt Bondsmith is needed to manifest spren as fabrials - Fused made a fabrial and they don't have any Bondsmith.
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I didn't say that Sazed doesn't know, he certainly knows what's going on, but this doesn't change anything. Sazed is very, very careful when it comes to Shardic interventions, especially if it's sharing knowledge. You can see what he thinks about this in his conversations with Wax and Kel. He considers he made a mistake by sharing so much knowledge in the Words of Funding, now he doesn't tell people anything about science and technology - that includes Kandra. Kandra's knowledge of Feruchemy comes from the Words of Funding and their own experimentations, but not from Harmony - he didn't even tell them if the Band of Mourning were real or not. They all have to work and discover things on their own. Just because Sazed saw the future and knows how to produce Lerasium, doesn't mean Kandra knows this as well. And he already made use of Lerasium dust as instructed by his future visions (which weren't even that clear, as he didn't fully know why he needed Wax in Elendel and he didn't think he needed Wayne at all). So no, I don't think Kandra are making more Lerasium, they simply can't and Harmony doesn't want to make more mistakes by solving problems for them.
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Moonlight's Invested Ink = Tears of Edgli Dye
alder24 replied to Atlas333's topic in Cosmere Discussion
I feel like, because it's mixing different investitures, this shouldn't work unless you were to somehow unkey investiture of the Tears. Yes, the ink normally doesn't fuel the stamp, but without the access to Dor from Sel, it's the ink that should provide investiture for a Soulstamp to function. And you can't just take Stormlight and fuel non-Rosharan invested art with it. Similarly, you shouldn't be able to use investiture keyed to Endowment to fuel non-Endowment art. In the book we saw Moonlight use Dor as the ink for her Soulstamps, when she transformed into an Elantrian. TLM ch 54: However, she previously used a glowing red ink, which certainly wasn't just pure Dor. This makes it highly likely that she is using another type of investiture and the Tears of Edgli fits the most. I still feel it should be unkeyed first but I may be wrong because, I don’t know, it’s not physical investiture like Stormlight is or something? TLM ch 44: -
This Oath was not a binding oath, it was a suggestion and it was something that Honor already agreed to when Odium came to the Rosharan system for the first time - Honor allowed Odium to settle on Roshar. I also don't think Honor needed a Danwshard to trap Odium, just make some Oath and exploid a loophole.
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I'm sure Ghostbloods are ready for Shallan's ittle hunt (I hope so, otherwise I will be totally disappointed), but I'm not so sure Chana will be there. I don't think Chana was a Ghostblood, I think Shallan either was a Ghostblood, or was used by them to kill Chana. There are several things pointing me to this conclusion, for example Shallan remembers using a Seon as a kid, Mraize knows awfully lot about Shallan's childhood and her Radiant powers and even advised her to find truths in WoR, Mraize calls her Little Knife and thought Veil is the real Shallan when Shallan's identity was revealed at the end of WoR, Shallan's mother said "she's one of them," which we all assume meant "Radiant" but could also mean a Ghostblood and lastly and most importantly, Thaidakar said to Gavilar that they put things in motion in the context of bringing back Radiants - and what's a better way for Heralds and Radiants to return than killing a Herald and starting a new Desolation? If Chana was a Ghostblood, Thaidakar would not need Kalak that much - he still needed Kalak to find out where Mishram is, but his secondary objective was to capture him to learn how to avoid going insane as a Cognitive Shadow.
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Is spiritual identity shaped through the cognitive
alder24 replied to AonOmi's question in Cosmere Q&A
Everything in Cosmere exists in 3 Realms - Physical, Cognitive and Spiritual - and everything has 3 versions/Ideals of self in those Realms. There is the Physical version, the Cognitive version (your self-perception), and the Spiritual Ideal of self (the ideal version of yourself). Yes, your physical appearance is manifested as your Spiritual Ideal filtered through your Cognitive Ideal, which is your self-perception and that's how healing works in Cosmere - your physical body is trying to match your Spiritual Ideal filtered through your perception. Perception can also affect other entities, entities that are living investiture - Spren and Cognitive Shadows like Heralds, or Fused. Because they are made entirely out of investiture they are susceptible to perception of others and they can slightly change based on how people view them. So yes, perception can affect others' Spiritual ideals. Spren were made how you said - pieces of raw investiture gained sentience either on its own, or because Shards made them sentient and they were shaped by perception of Singers and humans over a long period of time. There was even an interlude in either WoK or WoR in which ardents were measuring sizes of Flamespren, which locked them in the size measured by ardents - perception of observers affects the appearance of those spren. Identity is something else. We're not sure what it is, but it seems to be like a pointer in investiture which tells it to whom it belongs. It may be related in some way to the Spiritual Ideal, but we have little information about Identity. Identity is a property of investiture and the Spirit Web. Connections are bonds between people, objects, places and even time - they exist within the Spirit Web. Lot's of WoBs:- 3 replies
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Yes, this has been confirmed by Brandon - Era 3 will be set up in the '80s with the cold war between Malwish and the Basin. They already have nukes and the cold war has already started with relations between the Basin and Malwish deteriorating in epilogues of TLM. WoB:
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I mostly agree with @Trusk'our - Lerasium was produced only once by Wax in his lab and Kandra were unable to replicate this process. I believe this is because Wax had a proper intent - he did the experiment without any desire to use god metals in any way, without any desire to change. However, I also believe that you can only create one god metal and it depends on your intent. You either create Lerasium or Atium, but never both. If you want to use products of Harmonium-Trellium reaction in any way or change yourself, you get only Atium, if you don't want to do that (or at most if you want to use it to Preserve someone) you get Lerasium. TLM ch 15: So Sazed told a half-truth in my opinion - Wax created only Lerasium, Kandra tried to replicate this knowing god metals will be produced, so they had some desire to use it, thus they didn't get any Lerasium, they got only Atium. Set tried to split Harmonium specifically to gain power and control, they also unknowingly got only Atium in their tests (but they had never discovered it). But Wayne's explosion was just a Harmonium-water reaction, Harmonium was not split, no god metals were created, no Lerasium fallout. However, the Basin has a small stockpile of Harmonium and Trellium, they will create a few warheads in the future, so it's possible we will see Atium/Lerasium fallout, if they are used in the cold war scenario. Good catch @Quantus, it's fun to think that instead of a deadly radioactive fallout, you get fallout giving you magical powers.
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Interesting idea, but Hoid is not an Avatar nor a Cognitive Shadow of Adonalsium. He was one of the people who killed Adonalsium and we have a WoB confirming he's not an Avatar. He's not Adonalsium because he killed him with 16 other people who later Ascended. He even was offered a Shard during the Shattering, but he refused to take it (Stormlight letters mentioned this). However, he seems to regret taking part in the Shattering and his ultimate goal is to "make that which once was," which probably is about restoring Adonalsium. Having invested art of the Shard you want to Ascend helps you Ascending, so that might be the reason why he's collecting all invested arts - but this isn't certain at this moment in time.
