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After reading this WOB again I’m leaning toward Nohadon’s abdication being his journey and maybe based on Honor/Cultivation teachings and not related to Tanavasts life as a mortal(If he even did that) I think he got the mortal blow in that fight and slowly went mad and in his last moments attached his shadow to the Stormfather. This WOB states there is no funny business around Tanavasts death. I think Brandon will surprise us with something much more clever but I don’t have any clue to what atm, just had to share some thoughts

I read that as they entered the vision fully, the migration would happen after the destruction of Ashyn so I think the wind and screams are the chaos and panic during the migration.

Wow, I just read a wob about this. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/6/#e310

I don’t think this will happen and that’s kinda annoying but, since they are visiting a memory of Hoid’s, Brandon could theoretically show us the Shattering of Adonalsium…

You are absolutely correct. Will edit my post^^

I believe they chase Kalak so hard because of his knowledge about Ba-Ado-Mishram, he is the only one who knows what happened according to him.

Very good points! And the we let them in quote I had totally forgotten about. I really don’t think half of what we are told is true. Cultivation even said it after Dalinar went to the ardents for truth, they told you the truth you crafted for yourselfs or something.

Yeah I agree, I think a lot happened in that time but I can’t get over why honor and cultivation didn’t do more for the Parshendi, he could have given them 10 “Heralds” to deal with the humans.. Good point about honor opening him self to an attack. I agree with you on all this but the unchained bondsmith part. Honor placed those restrictions so he should be able to remove them at will. But a point in your favor is, it could be the agreement that opened him for an attack, and a self sacrifices was necessary to be able to have a bondsmith unchained. Cause I think what Odium excels at is just that, manipulating other shards to make an agreement they can’t keep and open them self up for an attack. Even more reason to stay far away from contracts with this Shard.

Yeah I agree with you that time is really valuable but I still feel there’s a lot missing here. I think Odium hasn’t killed Cultivation yet because can’t as long as he’s bound by the agreement, but the moment he’s free he says he will kill her, not try. So he’s pretty confident in his ability to at least kill the vessel. And investing something doesn’t seem to make him vulnerable as he has made the fused and unmade while not opening himself to an attack. Breaking of an oath seems to be the key for letting him get attacked. He is so invested in Roshar at this point that he is a part of Roshar. Proven by Navani. So I don’t feel his been that careful in his investing. And Cultivation set the plan for the Odium switch a long time ago so I don’t feel she just used a moment of weakness. And she was also prepared for it not working as future stuff is iffy. I agree that they never shattered cause the opportunity never came. But I feel there are a lot of moments where they should have had an opportunity, like his investing of the Parshendi to the point of immortality and creating the unmade. Or when the humans left Shinovar but that you could get around if the humans made the oath and not Odium. And why not help the Parshendi but die for the humans?

I know we are not supposed to know everything yet, but as I laid this out I feel we don’t know anything yet. Cultivation and Honor is on Roshar with the Parshendi as their people. Odium enters system and is allowed to settle with the humans on Ashyn. At what exact point honor and cultivation locked Odium to the system we don’t know. Odium tempts Ishar to mess with the surges and destroy Ashyn. They are at the point of arrival on Roshar still Odiums main guys as he is brought over with them.(Original human voidbringers) Humans get to live in Shinovar on the condition they stay there and not use any surgebinding. The Parshendi is at this point still backed by Honor and Cultivation as I understand it. The humans leave Shinovar and slaughter Parshendi to the point that the Parshendi ask Odium for power and become the fused. Why didn’t cultivation and honor shatter Odium the moment “his” people broke their oath of staying in Shinovar. Why not help the Parshendi in any way? Then when the humans gets slaughtered by the fused, honor helps the humans with 10 heralds to seal the Fused away aka his former people. Why switch sides at all? It then escalates to the point that Odium and his Fused are able to kill Tanavast. Its even said he died defending mankind so he was willing to die for the humans but not the Parshendi. Tanavast got killed by Odium with full Honor power and Champion options. He then sets up visions to find a new champion and he says in the visions that the most important thing the humans can win is Time. How can more time get them any closer to defeating Odium? Why is a contest even important? Odium would never agree to terms that would destroy him, proven by the fact that he can’t agree to certain terms with Dalinar or it would destroy him. So I’m left to believe Honor and Cultivation never wanted/tried shattering Odium. Honor and Cultivation can’t have seen shattering odium as a good option. So to my understanding team Honor and Cultivations only real win condition is merging Odium with another shard. Which a contest of champions won’t help them do. And that leads me back to why is the contest of champions this important when the chances of Odium sneaking in a release term is this high and “the good side” basically doesn’t have a winning term. Thoughts?

Thanks for that WoB had forgotten that

Is it confirmed that the previous bondsmiths could open perpendicularities? I thought the Stormfather was suprised that Dalinar could open it, and Dalinar explains that they are something new?

Thanks for replying Agree with the school, was more thinking in the lines of someone to turn to for guidance in that area. on another note, Vasher needs to meet Navani so she can get some juicy info out of him

Not really a theory, but havent seen it disscussed alot. As we progress the cosmere our characters are beginning to understand the importance of Intent, and ive been trying to think of what role Vasher will play in stormlight. I would argue that the best use of Intent we have seen is Vasher telling his cloak to protect him. That is such a loose term open to interpetation, that it really needs 100% control over your Intent. Soo im hoping we will see Vasher not as a swordmaster, but as a teacher of Intent. Thoughts?

I believe Nightblood is the destruction Dawnshard.( Explaning the insane effect of the Command he was given) I think the Unite them Dalinar hears is Tanavast saying unite the Change Dawnshard, the Destroy Dawnshard and the splinters of Honor. Then Dalinar would have the Commands of a God(Destroy and Change), the Intent of a God(Honor) The two things required for the ultimate level of surgebinding and the capacity to defeat/change Odium. Thoughts?