Dostaglou

I know this sounds crazy; hopefully just less crazy than the Heralds themselves. What makes me think this is three things: The perfect gemstone called Honor's Drop Reminds me of Atium, Ba Ado Mishram and the Unmade, and even Leras giving some of his power up to humans Odiums quote "No, we killed you. We killed you!" The "We" seems really strange. Hard to believe Rayse would share the spotlight with the Fused or even the unmade. The cause of the Recreance The motivation can't be as simple as "The Aharietiam was a lie". The basic idea is this: The Heralds were tired of the war and tortured so they abandoned the Oathpact. When they did so, they wounded Honor. Even while wounded the Oathpack still stood with Tal and Odium was trapped so he could not exploit this. The Heralds eventually wanted to escape the Oathpact entirely. They live in constant fear that Tal will give in or that one of them will be killed. So they decide, perhaps on the whispers of Odium, that the only way to do to this is to break their Bond to Honor; and thus capture or kill Honor. Conversely Honor wants force the Heralds to remember their oath. Remember why they fought/fight. Honor conspires with Ba Ado Mishram to give her power while Odium is trapped. He gives her the kind of power of bonds; the power to form connections with the Parsh. This starts the false desolation. Honor plays both sides During this time the Heralds experiment with trapping Honor's power and leads them to create the Honor's Drop. Odium is crucial for the insights and urgings. Eventually Melishi traps Mishram in a perfect gemstone and then traps her in the spiritual realm. But the power that was trapped was not Mishram's alone. It was in part honor. Between power needed to capture Odium, the broken oaths, the siphoning by the Heralds earlier, the trapping of Mishram was the straw the broke the camels back. Honor was killed; and the Heralds helped do it. It is the totality of this that broke the Radiants: Humans were the voidbringers The heralds destroyed their home and then abandoned the oathpact They caused the enslavement of a whole people Honor was the source of Mishram's power From there the Radiants decided to abandon their oaths. But since Honor had been so weakened and the power of connection so twisted with Mishram, this was the final act that killed him.

Ah. I think this part is what I didn't catch well enough. That probably explains the issue in and of itself Oathbringer Chapter 34 "Resistance". It is near the end after time slowed and he had his outburst at Fen ( Transcription by me as I use Audible ) : "These people wearing unfamiliar clothing. He'd of expected everything in the past to be crude but it wasn't. The doors, the building, the clothing. It was well made just lacking something he couldn't define". It was this part in particular that left me thinking that Dalinar was picking up on something that was off. With regards to the life of Roshar being so dependent on the storms, I don't doubt that some powerful storms existed just that the "Highstorm" and in particular the "Stormfather" might not have. The difference being the difference between a category 1~2 vs a category 5 hurricane.

I think I am coming back to the idea that the Stormfather isn't as ancient as we'd think. On re-read of Oathbringer, when Dalinar brings Queen Fen into the visions, he remarks on the wooden structures. Later he says that something about this era nags at him. It has been remarked a few times that wood is a poor material given the highstorms. We aren't led to believe the area seen in Starfalls is Shinovar and its implied that it is in Alethkar or near it. I vaguely recall other areas where the weather being odd is hinted at. Then there is the word "desolation". This makes me think that perhaps the Stormfather IS the desolation. He literally causes desolation upon Roshar. So perhaps there is more to the notion of Stormform bringing forth the Stormfather and the first desolation.

I was doing a re-read of the WoR and something struck me this time through: the singers have a Stormform but everyone claims the EverStorm is brand new. Perhaps this could be ignored a bit given that the form also gives them other attributes but the listener's songs talk about the form bringing on the storms. It is also noted that the listeners think of him as a "traitor". This implies some kind of connection, bond being broken. In Eila Steele and WaT seem to say the original gods were Wind, Stone and Spren. There is also mention that people used to worship the Wind until it was usurped or forgotten in place of the Storm. All this makes me wonder: did the singers create the Stormfather and through some act of Honor he was corrupted?