StrikerEZ

13 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

I would like to think that the more public information, the better.

The problem there is that in this game (and every game, really), information is everything. The elims inherently have an advantage because they have more information than the village. Both on a meta level and on a pseudo level (assuming at least one MetaElim is a PseudoElim). Part of what makes the elims in any game more powerful is their better knowledge of the game state compared to the village. Yes, the village having more info can be useful, but it also makes the elims more powerful. I really think we should all be extremely cautious of what information we share.

46 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

If I'm going to be honest, this game is weird enough that I doubt something being "frowned upon" will be that much of a barrier. I mean, once we get a better idea of the meta elim bet, throwing the game is a suitable option on the table.

Throwing the game, on either team, is absolutely against SE policy and can get you banned. Also, pretending to be someone you are not in one of the docs is also against SE policy and can get you banned. Source: former SE moderator here.

And now I see that you meant throwing the PseudoGame as a PseudoVillager to ensure the MetaElims don't win their bet. That's different as it's part of the rules of the game basically.

Anyway, I will not be claiming an alignment, Shardworld, or either of my roles. I have already said this in my Shardworld doc, but to reiterate: I would also like it if my fellow Shardworld inhabitant(s) did not reveal my location.

EDIT: fixed a word

Well, I guess we better get this insanity started. Gonna toss a vote on CadCom because I don’t think I’ve seen him show up yet. @CadCom get in here pops.

I personally think it’s actually simpler than it seems:

If game go too good for PseudoVillage, then MetaVillage (some of whom will be PseudoVillage and PseudoElim) try to make PseudoElim win. And vice versa.

24 minutes ago, Through the living Wahr said:

You can use the Shardworld Action only on Pseudo Turns, that means today you only choose the World. Nothing else.

So going forward we’ll do both Shardworld actions and selections on PseduoGame turns?

23 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Waitup you speak Spanish or just kidding around?

Nah, I just took it in high school. I actually barely remember most of it, unfortunately.

31 minutes ago, Myst said:

My one anonymous game was so confusing, I rely a lot on knowing who is who and their past games, and so having to throw everything aside like that was a shock.

I feel like I’d be recognizable now, or at least you’d know I was one of 2-3 people. I definitely wasn’t then but now I think I would be

I miss playing the anonymous games. It's been over three years since the last one I played. But yeah, they are very tricky. Back when Kas played more regularly, it was always super easy to catch which account was him though.

1 minute ago, Hoid Slayer said:

I still wanna gut Araris though

For no reason, if other than an insatiable bloodlust

To be fair, considering Araris's propensity for murder, that's not a bad instinct to have.

1 minute ago, Hoid Slayer said:

@Taupe Gecko@Mauve Crocodile@Azure Mouse@Ivory Dragonfly@translucent teddy

No, no, I know what the anonymous accounts are. I've played several anonymous games. I've been around for almost a decade.

What I meant was I wasn't sure what that had to do with making reads of other players.

1 minute ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Hey, I’m just saying, all the anonymous accounts are animals

I genuinely have no idea what this is supposed to mean.

2 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

What does that say about me or @Hoid Slayer?

Elims, the both of you. Zero doubt in my mind there.

4 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

I’m getting bad feelings about the teddy bear

Ah yes, the most reasonable way to form a read on someone: based off their profile picture.

18 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

Initial gut-reactions - Myst village, Striker evil 

¿Por qué?

6 minutes ago, Myst said:

You’re forgetting conversions, 4 meta Elims and 2 conversions seems a lot to me

The rules say either 1 or 2, depending on player count. I’m saying I think we’re starting at 4, and only going to have the potential for one conversion.

11 minutes ago, Myst said:

Ah dang it, you’ve found me out. I guess the only thing to do now is tell you my other teammates lol

Araris, Coder and I’s plan of releasing the online equivalent of Koloss on the shard is over it seems

Now what are the odds that you've actually done this as an elim, expecting us to not take you seriously?

To be real though, even if you've done this, I genuinely don't expect the elims to only have 3 players. That would only be ~17% of the playerbase, which is way too low. 4 MetaElims is at least ~22%.

18 minutes ago, Myst said:

That’s true, perhaps the fact that I’m saying this will make them not do it.

Hence the mind games

19 minutes ago, Myst said:

For now I think the best bet is just to position myself to be able to react either way

Hmm. Only a MetaElim would think of things in terms of bets.

2 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

Which way would you go though? Would you bet on the pseudo-village or pseudo-elims to win?

I know you weren't asking me, but I felt the need to answer anyway. This would entirely depend on who my teammates are and what we think are our odds are of winning depending on the various possibilities for who would be our elim(s) and villager(s) in the PseudoGame. Like, if I was a MetaElim with TJ and Araris I would definitely want to try gambits, which would lead me towards betting on a PseudoElim win I think.

11 minutes ago, Myst said:

Just in case my position wasn’t clear, I actually disagree with that.

IMO it’s much better to go with the quickest route - nevermind that we’ll figure it out which side they’re going after, they’ll be able to win their bet quick enough that it won’t matter 

Just because you think it's much better for them to do that doesn't mean that they for sure will. They might disagree with you and therefore take a different course of action. or just do things differently just because.

Just now, Qianweilian said:

So we have to anticipate what they're going to bet, and the elims have to anticipate what side we anticipate the elims are going to bet on?

Yes. It’s an insane series of mind games.

Just now, Qianweilian said:

Wait, I don't completely understand. So a pseudo elim team composed of meta elims might just throw the pseudogame? Or vice versa.

Yes that is exactly what could happen. 

4 minutes ago, Myst said:

No, I know that, that’s why I said they needed to blast through the Pseudo game, the sooner they win their bet there, the sooner they get their conversions.

Okay. The way you said it sounded like you were saying they got both either way. And even rereading it with your apparent intent in mind, it still reads that way to me.

6 minutes ago, Myst said:

Why would they do that?

Why not just win the pseudo game fast enough so that they get their conversions, and even though we know one or two of the meta Elims, they have two conversions to use - which keeps the overall numbers the same and causes all sorts of chaos

If things start going well we’re all going to understand why. Unless they go minimal interference on the Pseudo game - risking losing it - it’s going to pretty obvious what they chose PD4 onwards, if not sooner.

So IMO it’s not whether we find out what they bet on, it’s whether we can stop them in time

I think you're misunderstanding the rules. The MetaElims only get the conversion if they win the bet. If they lose the bet, they don't get the conversion and instead get half their living players revealed.

There's no execution this cycle, right? This is sort of a limbo cycle where we're just testing the waters and waiting for the MetaElims to make their bet.

12 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

Yeah. I'm pretty sure the only thing that actually is happening is the elims betting (whatever that means?)

Basically, the MetaElims are trying to bet on their ability to rig the outcome of the PseudoGame. They don't know which of them are going to be PseudoVillagers or PseudoElims yet. So, let's say, for example, that our MetaElims were Alvron, Striker, DrakeMarshall, and Amanuensis. All of these players are known for doing gambits or silly stuff, and might want to bank on their ability to do gambits to ensure an elim win in the PseudoGame.

Or, maybe the MetaElims were Kasimir, Stick, Burnt Spaghetti, and TJ. They have a lot of players that are good at solving as villagers and might want to bet that a couple of them will become PseudoVillagers and use their reputation as good solvers to steer the PseudoGame towards a PseudoVillage win.

If the MetaElims win their bet, then they get a conversion in the MetaGame. If they lose their bet, half of the living MetaElims get revealed in the writeup after the PseudoGame ends. 

As an example, let's say MetaElim Team #2 (Kasimir, Stick, Burnt Spaghetti, and TJ) bet on the PseudoVillage winning the PseudoGame. Instead, the PseudoElims win. Let's say that all of them are still alive in the MetaGame at that point. Now, on the next MetaGame cycle, two of them get revealed as MetaElims to the entire thread. So now they're severely handicapped in the rest of the MetaGame.

So the MetaElims really want to be careful about what bet they make here. And the MetaVillagers, in response, want to be on the lookout for if the PseudoGame seems to be going too well in one direction or the other. Some of us MetaVillagers will be PseudoElims. And, depending on what we think the MetaElims bet on, we might want to throw the game as PseudoElims to make sure that the PseduoVillage wins the PseudoGame, therefore making the MetaElims lose their bet.

There's so many layers of plotting and scheming going on here, so I'm quite excited to see what craziness we all get up to.

EDIT: made a little fix where I mixed up Pseudo vs Meta

20 minutes ago, Through the living Wahr said:

Right, because I am blind I overlooked that he was already signed up.

I am honestly unsure how signing up twice would work

The answer is that it wouldn’t.

15 minutes ago, Through the living Wahr said:

Of course, Sign Ups are still open for a few hours.

 

I think Qian was asking if they could be signed up twice.

1 hour ago, |TJ| said:

It has! Excited to play with you again, Striker!

Me too! And hopefully we aren’t traitors against each other.

Ah I didn’t realize we’d changed that. That’s fine with me then, you can put me down for just one. I’ve got like 2 or 3 LGs I haven’t run yet, but I’ll just wait until a few more people have signed up and add another slot.