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The Coppermind has what little is known about the reference. My guess is it can invlove the unmade, but is not exclusive to them. The comment about the Deaths occurring outside of a Desolation is important, I think, but it could also be much more esoteric than a "monster" - such as the Thrill driving men to kill one another or (which is tied to Nergaoul similar to how the Midnight Essence is tied to Re-Shephir).

A whole lot of Secret History/SA spoilers and speculation:

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From The Coppermind

There are multiple Words of Brandon about that

How far are you in the book, so that spoilers are avoided? Also, have you been reading the annotations as you go?

Cosmere spoilers

I always felt this was akin to (Mistborn Spoilers):

Very interesting idea. I had always thought that the main reason for Ruin's control was that Hemalurgy was Ruin's metallic art. I hadn;t considered that the soul damage of Hemalurgy might make it possible for any Shard to influence that being. Especially with a spike of that Shard's godmetal granting complete control - but it certainly seems plausible. The discrepancies are present, and seem much more than can be accounted for *just* by Paalm's experience. Granted, another possible influence for consideration. If Trell is Autonomy (or an Avatar thereof), what portion of the effects and discrepancies we see might be attributed to the properties of a Spike of Autonomy? This level of control seems counter to that intent. Just grist for the mill. . .

Thanks, I'd forgotten that. Did it say if it as right after the incident, cause I still had the impressions it was kept hidden until the searchers gave up?

It could also be that the Unmade are more tied to a Surge (and therefore loosely connected to two Radiant Orders through their shared surge) and possibly the Voidbinding version of that Surge. So, using your example, Re-Shephir is likely connected to Illumination; which is why Shallan and Renarin more strongly felt her presence in Urithiru (as they both share the Surge of Illumination).

Nice post and it makes a lot of sense. I had always thought that the Sleepless kept it inside the storm barrier of Akinah for a period of time - long enough that search craft from Steen and Liafor to stop searching the waters around Aimia. So, at the time Yalb finds the ship, it has only recently been set adrift by the swarms, far from Aimia in the Southern Depths. Which is why the scout ship found it while patrolling contested territory near the archipelago west-southwest of Tukur.

Well, Vin's spike was the post of her earring. . .

Right, but I took that to be a Radiant style bond, not necessarily a Form bond in the gemheart (looking for actual quote, since wording may matter)

This is Spoilers (that's when I stopped reading and posted what I did):

Could this topic name please name "Spoilers" in the topic title - some of us are avoiding previews - including (especially) for First of the Sun. Even the title is a bit of a spoiler. maybe something like "Fabrials as seen in Sixth sequal preview [Spoilers]"

Actually, we don't know what, if anything, is in a Fused's gemheart. Fused don;t reside in a Listener's/Singer's gemheart - that was the crux of the lie that Ulim told Venli (that the Fused coming were "just" spren that would give them a new form). The fused Souls displace the Singer soul in the entire body, but we don't know if there is a Voidspren in the Fused Gemheart granting thier "form".

I love how that, on reread, you can almost chart the stages of logic and feeling that lead TenSoon to his proclomation to the Second generation in HoA. And I feel like it all starts in WoA Ch 22: That conversation, and the realization that Vin's anger doesn't have to do with any aspects of being Kandra, but because she saw [OreSeur] as a person that should have tried to save his friend or help the crew try to save him. I think this was the turning point for TenSoon.

Here's some other ideas/options: All of the below are accomplished in Calibre by converting to epub, then opening the book for editing (right click the book > Edit Book) Separate the Introduction from the Prologue: Open the Introduction file (make sure the File preview is on in View > File Preview) Scroll to the Prologue header in the file preview. The third icon on the left (looks like a piece of paper with and up and down arrow in the center) is the split button, click on that The click just above the Prologue Header (you will see a line showing the Split location) Now your prologue is a separate "file" from the introduction Fixing the headers: You can use find/replace (CTRL+F) to remove the book title header portion, collapsing the header to one Chapter Line per file Find: <h1 class="block_3" id="toc_id_[0-9]+">The Aether of Night</h1> <p class="block_4">Chapter Replace: <h1 class="block_3">Chapter You will also need to find/replace the </p> at the end of each Chapter line with </h1> This will allow you to use the next Table of Contents tweak Table of Contents Open the ToC editor (6th icon from right, next to "spell check", looks like a finger pointing at lines of text) CTRL+A (select all Delete Click "Generate ToC from Files" This willl create a Table of Contents based on each file's header and already labelled as that header CSS I retained <body class="calibre"> as the body I changed all of the paragraphs to <p class="calibre1"> I used <p class="calibre1r"> for Right aligned text I changed all of the underlined portions to <span class="ital"> I used <p class="block_1"> for empty lines I used <h1 class="block_3"> for the headers I used <p class="block_4"> for the scene breaks

Nope - but that's probably because a lot of military time has conditioned me to any acronym in the XoX format as being X of X, so the small 'o' immediately makes me think Aether of Night.

Further WoB about the number of Aethers: So i would guess the stain (described as a liquid substance) came from an Aether that was not in AoN.

Concur. Also possible: Hmmm, a Royal that is bad at art. . . Sounds like Serene (Elantris) One member of the noble families has to join the monastary - Sounds a bit like Idris (Nalthis) Corpate - made from beings turning their essense into Metal in the physical realm (Roshar) - sounds like Spren and original Fabrial tech to me. An earlier version of the Five Visions (Nalthis) - a religious creed that eventually calls the magic from which it sprang a heresy Blue wine? Sounds like Roshar. . .

Well, do we have any indications on the timeline for when the diagram was developed in relation to Gavilar's Death? If we know Gavilar had dealings with Nale, and Nale already had Nightblood, then it's possible (if unlikely) that information could have spread through Gavilar's "meetings" - an indirect "interview" with Nalan about the sword. Unlikely, but possible. . . Personally though, I think Nightblood came to Roshar with a third party (the criminal Azure is chasing - possibly Yesteel) - who came from Nalthis with Nightblood (but may not be from Nalthis if it was a Worldhopper who took Nightblood and left for Roshar) - and that third party is who was interviewed by agents of the Diagram.

TWoK Ch. 60 Here's the WoB: My guess is that what Venli saw Dawnsingers accomplish (in the stone of Urithiru) were forms granted by Sapient Spren before the arrival of humans, but because that bond did not fully pull the Sapient Spren in the Physical Realm (just the gemheart, like other Form Bonds), the Spren did not retain/regain as much memory and understanding as they do through the Radiant Bond with humans. I think the surges granted by the Dawnsinger bond are the same (or very similar) as how we see the Fused use surges now (meaning that was the original version of the Surge on Roshar, and the Radiant Bond with Humans "evolved" the surge based on human perception). But since Singers can fully see Spren (as shown in the Eshonai Flashback where she describes the Gloryspren including the wings, body and tail), they had a mode cordial relationship with the Spren in Shadesmar (which accounts with Leshwi having Honorspren friends before she was Fused) especially if bonded with one of their number.