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Affirm - Relevant WoB

From Khriss' Essay: So, it seems likely they are not in physical bodies while on Braize; though they may "experience" it similarly to Kaladin's "visions" of Braize in RoW.

Unfortunately, logic doesn't really touch on much of Hemalurgy. Also, it seems to have been changed by Harmony during the Catacendre (though we don't know how much); and I'm sure Sazed's feelings and attitudes colored some of that (if it did occur).

RIght, but that's due to changes made by Harmony during the Catacendre. now that Koloss are a breeding species, they have a chance to inherit Allomancy or Feruchemy in the sDNA, like anybody else. I think of Hemalurgy like a recipe. If you change 1 ingredient (Allomancer instead of Human before spiking) the final result will not turn out the same. Sometimes you can ge other ingredients to get a similar result (type of spike(s), placement of spike(s)) and sometimes the change will not lead to useable results (like TLR's millium of failures). If the WoB said that there is a way to use Koloss spikes on a Misting and still end up with a Koloss that may (or may not) have access to their original Allomancy; then his comment "build them right" seems to imply (to me at least) that either something about the type of spike or its placement would need to change to get that result. And while we know WoB has said that a Hemalurgic spike might be burnable with allomancy to incorporate the changes, wo have no indication of how or if that would affect the power of Ruin from controlling the person doing so. One one hand, the spike's absence may indicate less control; on the other hand permanently adhereing those changes to your spiritweb may make the control easier and more complete. Without more information, it seems it could go either direction.

Good to know - but note his final clause. It seems like you couldn't spike them in the normal way either.

As long as you are enjoying it, that's what counts.

Welcome back. Two whole chapters in one week. . . it's a streak. You are asking good questions.

@Elegy I'm sorry if I offended you, but the way you said "pretty bad reputation" seemed to take for granted that everybody thinks the same way. If you had said "reputation on this site" I might have had a better idea of what you meant. So, for the record to the OP - many people (but not all) on this site are less than satisfied by the White Sand Graphic Novels; both for the reasons Elegy mentioned, as well as a few other quirks (most of which can be easily found and delineated on Coppermind or other threads in this forum). Amongst my friends that read Sanderson, but are not (yet) so invested in the Cosmere that they are aware of things like 17th Shard and Coppermind; White Sand was very popular (except the whole "buy out" nonsense - but that's a different story). My experience is that those who enjoy that medium have found it to be an acceptable "first attempt" (not horribly bad, not amazing) with a good story that is mostly well told in the adapted script. Amongst those who generally dislike the medium, the mistakes stick out more and general consensus is lower-than-average. For my part, I would say it is better than the Ender's Game and Anita Blake adaptation Graphic Novels, but not as good as the Dresden Graphic Novels.

White Sand Graphic Novels are based on the White Sand Prose (Unreleased - noncanon - second attempt); which was based on White Sand Prime and Lord Mastrell (the first two books of the original planned trilogy). If you're just not a Graphic Novel fan, then you can probably just read the Coppermind and Arcanum entries to understand the differences. If you normally do like Graphic Novels, they will be re-releasing all three volumes as an Omnibus (since Scalpers bought out Vol 1 before Vol 3 released so they could overcharge on Amazon and EBay), they are worth reading.There is some world-building detail lost, but it is offset by details gained in the visuals. From where do you get this? Or is it just your opinion (though reputation implies more than one opinion)?

Consider the WoR Epigraph on this topic: This may indicate that for Odium's intent to be channeled for good, it would have to be held with another Shard (Harmony-style) to give it the context that is lacking.

I don't think putting Koloss spikes in a Lurcher would create a Koloss either. You aren't starting with a normal human spiritweb - so you likely won't create a Koloss spiritweb.

Koloss spikes come from regular humans. Using other spikes would not create a Koloss, it would either fail or create something else. From the Words of Founding: Koloss are Humans with 4 spikes that each stole human strength from non-metalborn regular people. Change the spikes and you will change what they create when added to a host.

I don't think we know enough about Dakhor to answer this, but I suspect that if you stole the ability to use Dakhor with Hemalurgy, it would do nothing to your bones, nor grant you any abilities - except the ability to "chant" bones into growing into the shapes that provide the abilities. Remember, the bone form is analogous to a character in AonDor. Hemalurgy wouldn't steal "Aon Ashe" (for example) from an Elantrian, it would steal the ability to access the Dor via AonDor. Likewise, from a Monk it would steal the ability to access the Dor via Dakhor Chants - not steal the bone forms themselves.

It would depend on the metal of the sword and where/how it pierced the target; but yes, spikes can be made from regular people with no allomantic or feruchemical traits. That's how Koloss and Kandra spikes were made (e..g why would TLR waste 4 allomantic spikes in 1 Koloss, when those could go to inquisitors?). In the book they say it as "the strength of five men" because it's the person being spiked and 4 spikes that stole physical strength from normal people. HoA Annotations - Human: Excerpt from the Words of Founding: Another reason TLR put down rebellion after rebellion, each 5 Skaa in the rebellion made a new Koloss for his armies. . . Also, note the reference to the Blessing of Potency - so if two spikes from normal Skaa, stealing physical strength created 1 Blessing of Potency, then it is likely that the other blessings were also created from using spikes on regular people stealing awareness (tin - Blessing of Awareness), Intellectual acuity/memory (copper - Blessing of Presence), and emotional fortitude (zinc - Blessing of Stability).

Miles did not see a Gold Shadow every time he tapped healing (F-Gold). The one time we see him experience the Gold Shadow (A-Gold) he deliberately burns non-metalmind gold (AoL Ch 15):

Please don't double post. If there hasn't been a new post since your last post, just edit the last post (Edit button on the bottom, next to the Quote and Multi-quote buttons).

If Honor (or any other Splintered Shard) were to be reformed, I would expect it to be during/near Book 10 of Stormlight Archive (or after that for any Shards outside of Roshar). Reforming a Splintered Shard would be too huge for the SA5 "pause" finale I can see this happening, if not in SA5, then either btwn 5 and 6 or in SA 6. Furthurmore, I think it will be a Singer/Listener. Not sure what you mean by "Mantle." Do you mean that you think TOdium will kill Koravari, but another vessel will pick up the Shard before it can be Splintered? (as done in Secret History) Sibling already knows how to make non-Spren Fabrials; but didn't realize that Humans had lost that knowledge. So, I expect Sibling to teach Navani about it, but I also expect Navani to maybe consider a volunteer version of creating Spren Fabrials if they can't duplicate the Spren Fabrial mechanics with the older methods. I would expect that TOdium's plans will be entirely different than ROdium's plans (other than getting free from the Rosharan System), but until ROdium's Oaths that bind him are fulfilled or removed, he will have to play the script. By the end of SA5, I think his plans will significantly differ from ROdium's previous goals. Since TOdium was all about preserving Humanity, I think he might not be against a Roshar where Singers and Humans can coexist - but only if they all answer to him and help his plans to leave Roshar. . . Adolin's arc has been all about what to do with himself in a world with Radiants. I expect that to continue. I also expect he will continue to try helping Maya - and that will be the purpose he has been looking to find. I doubt he will become an Edgedancer in TKoW (though possibly in the back half) - more he will devote himself to "remembering" the "deadeyes" and helping, not just Maya, but finding a way to apply what he learns with Maya to helping as many Deadeyes as possible.

Please, for Ado's sake, stop the insanity.

I guess I can see that. It would make this WoB make more sense: Also, when you consider the other magics of Sel (ChayShen, Forgery, Dakhor, Resealing, Bloodsealing, etc.), they all seem open to anybody willing to put in the time and effort to learn. So, if AonDor used to be like that but they built Elantris to concentrate that power into fewer people, then it would explain why AonDor is the only one we have seen so far that requires an external method to gain access to the magic. Of course, the follow-on questions then become: Did Aona help them do this, or was it done after the Splintering once the Dor was in the Cognitive realm? If the latter, could some of the other magics do something similar to increase potency by decreasing access?

I think this is a misinterpretation of the original WoB: The question is biased and assumes a mechanical means, that BS at first doesn't address, then RAFOs. (see below) City Age: Building Elantris So this shows that AonDor was used to build the city; which means the people that would become the modern Aonic peoples had to experience the Shaod to gain the magic. Timing We know that the Shaod is linked to the city, but correlation =/= causation. So, if AonDor existed first, then the Shaod had to exist first. But if the city may have been built before the Splintering of Devotion, then I think it's likely that the Shaod was used by Aona to select people that exemplified Devotion (and therefore had a connection to her**). I think that after the city was linked to the post Shaod state to provide the amplified power; so when the land changed (and therefore the magic changed) the amplification from the city became a reduction instead because the Connection was broken. However, I don't think the city actually had anything to do with continuing the Shaod selection that started with Aona. I do think it was possible that after the splintering the city was modified to ensure a continued Connection to the Dor that suddenly shifted to the Cognitive Realm. **Note: Examples we see in Elantris:

Exactly. We must remember that Sazed is an unreliable narrator, since he was trying to obfuscate certain facts about many things. So, in the Words of Founding, when he says: He isn't "lying" per se, but the use of the term "developed" seems intentionally misleading to imply he made them with the power; rather than learning/understanding how to make them once the power was comsumed.

But, the wounding of Ambition and the disaster on Threnody was before the Splintering of Devotion and Dominion, which was well before Mistborn Era 1 (since that is only ~300 years prior to the Stormlight Archive, and Odium has been trapped in the Rosharan system for at least 4000 years).

I think you are reading more into this WoB than is present. BS likes creative misdirection in his answers, he agrees that Sens can go off world, and he agrees that to do so requires the Seon to move into the Cognitive Realm, survive the conditions there and leave the area of Selish Shadesmar. However, he neither states nor implies that those are the only requirements (because that was not the question, so he could be misleading if he wants). This is not actually the case; in Secret History we see the guards worry that a Threnodite Shade can leave their system and e see that Alonoe disagrees. However, since we never actually see a Shade leave the Threnodite CR, we have no data on which was correct.

Don't forget the other half of that transformation. Rashek turned all of the world's living Feruchemists into Mistwraiths (probably leaving bones from all of them), then restored his companions to sapience with blessings and creating Mistwraiths. It was never said if the second half occured while he still controlled the power of the well (it's an assumption in context, but could be "unreliable narrator" - especially if Gen 1 had a hole in their memories like TenSoon developed post-Catacendre. Likely, having remodeled the continent, we know he moved the well to Era 1 Luthadel but he probably moved a city there too (why build from scratch?). so he left the well and killed the first people to try standing up to him to make the spikes with the knowledge he gained while holding the power and returned his friends' minds.

Okay. I could have sworn we saw a Skybreaker (Szeth?) use a reverse lashing in Edgedancer or Oathbringer; but maybe I was mis-remembering. I see the coppermind now says it is a combination of Gravitation and Adhesion (Since RoW makes that point with Kaladin). Doesn't affect the point of the post though - but it does make me curious if the Magnified Ones expend light for their carapace transformations. . .