Long Game 73: The Forgotten Coup

[Ashbringer]

[Quintessential]

Oh lol I slightly understand now XD

[Ashbringer]

Where is everyone...

@Sart, can we get a vote count?

[Alvron]

Storm it people.  How am I meant to do my notes if you keep PMing me every minute or two?    Kidding.  I'm loving the PMs as it's not something I get very often.
Stiker on the other hand needs lots more PMs.  Lots and lots more.  He needs to drown in PMs if he is going to truly become SpiderEZ.  Plus it might drive him  to Madness.

[StrikerEZ]

3 minutes ago, Alvron said:

Stiker on the other hand needs lots more PMs.  Lots and lots more.  He needs to drown in PMs if he is going to truly become SpiderEZ.  Plus it might drive him  to Madness.

Hey wait, I know I’m trying to be SpiderEZ, but I do have a life outside of SE.

[Condensation]

I didn't really have anything to say. I mean, people don't seem to be fans of fluff... and my suspicions aren't nearly fully developed yet. I've got most all of the rule clarifications I need, and I can chat with people in PMs. So this has become irrelevant, really.

[+Lotus]

Daughter of the Prime Forest listened with interest as the man berated them.

Did he know who he was speaking to? Even the youngest First of the Last knew to listen when she spoke. She was a demigod, immortal and eternal. The Servant of the Mad god seemed to be going along with it, however, though he was fiddling with a small glass marble in which a miniature globe was trapped inside.

The man was yammering on about something called the Forgotten, at which point the Servant of the Mad god tossed his marble up into the air and gave a cool smile.

"I'm a forgotten, you know." He said with a smile and a wink, "they're always forgetting me. I swear Daughter of the Prime Forest would forget me if I didn't keep reminding her."

The man sat there, slowly blinking.

"What's wrong with him?"

"Probably in shock."

Daughter took the opportunity to slip out of the tent. "We need to blend in."

"Sure."

She gave him a serious look.

 

[Sart]

Alright, time for a big old rules clarification post.

First off, here's the Order of Actions

Day: Vigor, Making, Silencing, Bribe, Acid, Grabbing an Item, Map, Steal, Revocation, Giving an Item, Gun, Lynch
Night: Vigor, Forbiddance, Making, Warding, Clock, Grabbing an Item, Map, Steal, Revocation, Giving an Item, Gun, Kill, Crab, Lantern

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Would a spring powered crab see that someone had an item they used up that turn?

No it would not. it would see any items they grabbed during the night though.

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Are new items ever added to the camp supply besides those forfeited when a person dies or is hit by that line that makes you lose stuff?

New items are also added if someone uses a Map. New items are not added at the start of the day.

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Does the Thief start with any items? 

PAFO (Play And Find Out)

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How does the Non-Rithmatists teach action work?

It is a Night action. The target learns a random Specialization that they do not already know. They do not learn the identity of the Non-Rithmatist.

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How does item passing work? Do I know who passed me the item?

You can pass an item during the Day or Night. If given an item, you will not be told who gave it to you. You cannot reject an item. That means if a Forgotten gives the Non-Rithmatist the Shadowblaze, the Non-Rithmatist must accept that "gift".

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Does a Bribe remain Valuable after use? If Player A uses it on Player B, does it get added to Player B’s inventory? Can it be passed after that?

It does not. This is a change from the original game.

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Does an item remain in one’s inventory after use and retain its value?

Most items are one-use only. The exceptions to this rule are the Shadowblaze and Lanterns.

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If the thief targets a person who picks up an item in the same round, is it possible they can steal that item?

Based on the Order of Actions, that is correct.

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Can I attempt to take multiple items from the Camp Supply at once?

No. Taking a single item from the Supply is one action, and you only get one action per turn.

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What is the vote minimum?

I messed this up on the Day 1 thread vs the official rules, leading to some confusion. To be clear, there is no vote minimum, and I edited the Day 1 post accordingly.

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Can we vote to abstain?

It's an interesting idea, but the answer is no. To function properly, this game assumes that the threat level will vary, and having no vote defeats that.

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Can we choose not to use a Specialization when drawing lines?

Yes. For instance, you can use Lines of Silencing and choose not shut someone out of PMs. Just be clear about that in your action submission, since the default will be to use the powered up version.

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When's rollover?

I'm actually going to extend this cycle slightly. Rollover is now going to be a 8 PM CST. It just works better for my schedule, and this will be the rollover time going forward.

[Mat]

People I'd be ok with exeing (in [rough] order):

• Connie: Thing Illwei said/Gut in PMs
• Striker: Mild disagreement/Weird fixation on me/Gut
• Archer: I don't like their vote, even for D1
• Quinn: Very slight gut

People I would not be ok with exeing:

• Me: Obvious reasons are obvious  
• Gears: Gets killed early a lot and his claim is noooo reason to kill him
• Random Bystander: Is new
• Araris: Gut vil. That can't possibly go wrong.

Everyone else I could care less, I think.

Edited January 30, 2021 by Matrim's Dice

[Burnt Spaghetti]

1 hour ago, Sart said:

No. Taking a single item from the Supply is one action, and you only get one action per turn.

To be clear is turn like, Day is a turn and night is a turn, or like, turn is one day+night?

 

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I. Dont think we're gonna have a thread analysis burnt if I'm honest  

Though to be fair I've also been surprisingly bad at keeping up with pms as well >> I'm failing at my spider duties D: 

[StrikerEZ]

People I’d be okay with shrekking (in [rough] order):

• Mat: Not a fan of the way they voted on me. Feels very much like an elim trying to get a player exed when they see an opportunity to. I might be tunneling, but I’d rather find out sooner rather than later so I don’t keep tunneling on him and distract myself too much.
• Maybe Connie or Quinn? I’ve been getting odd vibes from them in the thread/PMs, though I feel less sure about that not that Mat also wants to shrek them. 

People I would not be ok with shrekking:

• Me: I am clearly the most village player ever.
• Kas and Alv: older players that I would like to have fun playing with.
• Random Bystander: Is new
• Illwei, TJ, and Burnt: I’ve been having fun with them in PMs. I bet at least one of the people in this list of people I don’t want to shrek is probably an elim, but I’m enjoying talking to them right now.
• Araris: He feels like he’s really trying to figure out the best way to handle the protection of the camp, even if I have my concerns about his method. This is very slight right now.

[Mat]

The second person in SE to steal my formatting this week hehe

I don't see what sets me apart with... literally everyone else that's voted, though. Either you're tunneling cause my vote is placed on you or doing the very thing you're accusing me of. 'Course, we both might be tunneling

[StrikerEZ]

17 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

The second person in SE to steal my formatting this week hehe

I did that on purpose. Thought it would be funny.

18 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I don't see what sets me apart with... literally everyone else that's voted, though. Either you're tunneling cause my vote is placed on you or doing the very thing you're accusing me of. 'Course, we both might be tunneling

You have a reasoning for your vote, while most others (at least as far as I can remember) don’t really have any reasoning for their votes. Which is definitely concerning.

Anyway, my reasoning for voting on you is that you chose to paint that target on my back, after other people had commented and chosen not to themselves. There’s nothing inherent about what I did that paints a target on my back from the elims. And if you’re worried that I’m painting a target on my back for the elims to use...one you yourself painted there...why did you vote on me?

That’s honestly not much to go off of, but for a D1 vote it’s enough for me. 

And I’m still not sure why me saying I’m going for a book in thread is such a big deal anyway. By the start of the night turn we’d be seeing who got the books anyway, so if the elims really want to know who has it, they can just wait a bit to see then anyway. Plus, I might not even end up getting the book I want, considering I know of one other player going for the same book I am.

Anyway, tl:dr: Mat’s really my only elim suspicion right now, so I’m voting for him.

[Kasimir]

6 hours ago, StrikerEZ said:

• Kas and Alv: older players that I would like to have fun playing with.

Should it have hurt? Duncan supposed he was flattered his little brother wanted to keep him alive - for now. (Maybe the for now hurt, more. Or maybe it would have before the guilt. Before that time he came back from Nebrask. Before everything fell apart, really.) [OOC: Flattered, but also, if you gotta execute us, you gotta. I understand and knew what I signed up for   ]

He was dryer than he'd been in a long time and he hated it. Everything was too much. Too raw. He jumped when he thought he saw the shadows move but it was just a Rithmatist coat flapping in the wind.

Truth was, if Duncan could find old Duncan, the one before Wyatt, the one who'd taken camp security seriously, he'd have looked more into the conversations between Frederick [OOC: Striker] and Joshua. [OOC: Mat] Look where the noise is, Matt had once told him, back when Duncan was in training. [OOC: If I were playing this seriously, I'd look at where the noise is. V-E fight? Or V-V? We need more information but just knowing where the battle lines are drawn can itself be informative once we get certain allegiances laid out. Don't really have a concrete read on the parties right now.] Back when Duncan was raw and new to the business of defending a camp. He took a deep breath, and tried to pry apart the memories from the parts of his head that didn't seem to work right, anymore.

The way shadows skittered and set him on edge. Wyatt and the eyes that bled to black and Dig still and lifeless on the ground and Rlint broken like a man shouldn't be and bleeding his life out and Duncan shoved his shaking hands into the pockets of his battered coat.

Maybe they were both on the level. Maybe Blackbane was, too. After all, Blackbane had intervened a little, had he not? [OOC: Alv had in fact gotten involved IIRC. I'm Sir Not-Even-Taking-Notes this game!] Maybe even Elysian was. [OOC: Araris is interesting too because of a few disputes on his plan. Half the issue is always working out what the general Evil team profile is.] But Duncan wasn't sure he trusted, anymore. Maybe not even his baby brother and that thought was like stepping on broken glass. 

But old Duncan was gone and all Duncan wanted now was a drink. Something that didn't seem likely.

Something to chase the dark away, even if it'd gotten a grasp on his soul.

Edited January 30, 2021 by Kasimir

[Quintessential]

Reading people is hard. I'm starting to understand why everyone likes being elim so much XD this isn't something you have to worry about then...

On the subject of Striker and Mat, I didn't really get anything from the actual conversation; maybe I should go back and reread it about fifty times and analyze each individual character for clues or something, but I'm trying to... not get so absorbed in this game as I did in the last few. 

I think that Striker stating he's going after a Book is completely NAI since everyone wants those anyway (well, except the Thief and the non-Rithmatist I suppose) and if he gets it during the day then everyone will see that. However I did get some odd vibes from Striker in PMs... basically he said the elims might not even care that I have a Specialization, so it probably doesn't matter if I don't protect myself. Which, having been elim the past three games, I would wager is not the case because in my experience the C1 elim kill is generally a shot in the dark so anyone with a Specialization would become a prime target. It sort of felt like an elim trying to convince me to leave myself vulnerable... Idk, null elim for him but that's kind of a small thing so not enough for me to vote on him.

Complete null on Mat at the moment.

To be clear, I'll still do the RNG plan for Defense, unless we think of something better before Day's end. But I'm hoping I can just protect myself at this point : P

[Gears]

Quick post-by-post analysis, just for fun. Anything not commented on is null. Please read the paragraph length commentary on a few posts, namely 32 Matrim, 81 Araris.

1. Flyingbooks: RP 
2. Alvron: Likes guns 
3. Quinn: Use maps!
4. Gears: Analysis, RP, elim claim [has some strange ideas that will later be critiqued]
5. Quinn: Apologises for PMing Gears [Quinn, you are neither forgotten nor forgiven]
6. STINK: Votes Gears for claiming elim. [I accept this and let it go.]
7. Quinn: Laments the repetition. 
8. Matrim: Thinks 4 elims. [23/4 = 5.75, 23/5 = 4.6. I'd think 5 more likely.]
9. GAME MASTER: PMs out. [ALL HAIL]
10. Araris: Votes Gears [The second vote on someone for a bad playstyle is far more suspicious than the first.]
11. Condensation: Exists
12. STINK: PMs are neat
13. Ash: RP
14. Kasimir: Busy, votes Gears [The third vote on someone for a bad playstyle is far more suspicious than the first.]
15. Mist: RNG votes Random Bystander [I have opinions about RNG votes, but I will withhold them.]
16. Illwei: RNG votes Kasimir [I have opinions about RNG votes, but I will withhold them.]
17. TJ: RP as thief 
18. Quinn: TJ!Thief?
19. TJ: Maybe, maybe not!
20. Quinn: Ah.
21. Devotary: Lots of good analysis, can budget defense [I have an inability to read people who do good analysis, along with my inability to read people who are chaos demons, along with my inability to read people in general.]
22. Quinn: Started with Specialisation. [Awfully free with information... Alright then.]
23. Matrim: Doesn't like the Gears train [which I appreciate], votes Quinn [I have opinions about reasonless votes, but I will withhold them.]
24. Quinn: Concurs, votes Quinn [I have opinions about reasonless votes, but I will withhold them.]
25. Alvron: Analytics =/= randomness, likes Gears's opening post [which instinctively puts me on edge, but thanks], DEFENSE [good points]
26. Mist: Will be giving offerings to the Gods of Luck and Chance always. [I have opinions. So many opinions. But carry on.]
27. TJ: Thief RP
28. Lotus: RP
29. Gears: RP
30. Striker: Overprotecting not awful here [which is fair, especially given the prevalence of Defense items and Maps], going for a Book 
31. Lotus: RP
32. Matrim: Can't afford overprotection [OK, let's think about this mathematically. We will need >= 1 Defense each night. Worst case, 5 elims, mix [mis-X for you lot] every cycle until XLo, elims have Shadowblaze. C1: 16-5-1-1, need 2 Strength. C2: 14-5-1-1, need 3 Strength. C3: 12-5-1-1, need 4 Strength. C4: 10-5-1-1, need 5 Strength. C5: 8-5-1-1, need 6 Strength. C6: 6-5-1-1, need 7 Strength. C7: C8: 5-4-1-1, need 6 Strength. C9: 4-3-1-1, need 5 Strength. C10: 3-2-1-1, need 4 Strength. C11: 2-1-1-1, need 3 Strength. C12: 1-0-1-1, need 2 Strength. Total: 47 Strength for no attacks whatsoever. Assume sacrifice worst cycles [6, 7], 34 Strength. Assume sacrifice best cycles [2, 2], 43 Strength. If 5 elims, every Rithmatist started with Chalk, we have 16 Defense now. 10 Defense in the Camp Supply, 3 Maps, if Maps grant current Camp Supply, we're more than covered with 56 Defense over the course of the game compared to a requisite 47. The Defense cost is higher if the elims hit the thief and non-Rithmatist first, but lower if they don't have the Shadowblaze at all times, so I think this is an OK estimation. Oddly enough, we need less Defense when there are more elims, since less mixes. In conclusion: I think we can afford a few extra Defense early on, especially this assumed that the elims had the Shadowblaze for all 12 hypothetical cycles.], votes Striker for wanting Books [which I don't understand]
33. Illwei: Rules exist
34. Kasimir: RP
35. TJ: Votes Matrim for voting Striker on flawed reasoning [which is a valid point]
36. Gears: RP
37. Matrim: Realisation, acknowledgement, over-Defending bad.
38. Order: Items in day, Lines of Warding in night [telling the elims that was not the best idea, unless you were lying]
39. Random Bystander: RP
40. Matrim: Why did Striker mention Books? [If it's not a smart play for elims, then it's not a suspicious play]
41. Illwei: #shieldthestriker
42. Ash: Votes Flyingbooks for a joke about Books 
43. Flyingbooks: Misses the joke
44. Ash: The joke
45. Order: Misunderstands Lines
46. Flyingbooks: Continues to miss the joke, PMed Striker, wants Books
47. Lotus: RP
48. Matrim: Corrects Order
49. Order: Realisation
50. Flyingbooks: Striker = Book coordinator
51. Ash: Striker =/= Book coordinator
52. Striker: Votes Matrim for their vote on him and their disparaging comments towards over-Defending.
53. Flyingbooks: Coordination = good
54. Matrim: Don't coordinate in thread, elims easily get info
55. Striker: Never said coordinate in thread, doesn't like false narrative [which is a little harsh, Matrim is elaborating on why they don't want to over-Defend, but also valid.]
56. Matrim: PM coordination also bad [which I disagree with, but legitimate opinion]
57. Striker: Points out good PM communication
58. Illwei: Votes Ashbringer [so many opinions]
59. Kasimir: Laments futility of existence
60. Striker: Life is life
61. Flyingbooks; Votes Archer for PM reasons [so many opinions]
62. Matrim: Archer exists?
63. Illwei: Votes Kasimir again [so many opinions]
64. Ash: RNG!
65. Araris: Going after books NAI
66. Alvron: How to invoke the Gods of Luck and Chance
67. Ashbringer: 23-sided dice?
68. Alvron: Cards
69. Ashbringer: 22?
70. Illwei: Death
71. Ash: ?
72. Kasimir: Self-voting.
73. Quinn: Retracts Quinn, notes that Thief can just stockpile bribes.
74. Reading: Not a million pages!
75. STINK: Chalk?
76. Striker: True. Chalk?
77. Ventyl: Exists, Striker why tell everyone?
78. Lotus: Chalk.
79. Mist: Exists.
80. Striker: Yes.
81. Araris: Gods of Luck and Chance? [I don't think this is a good idea. I'd rather divide the player list into random groups that are each responsible for 1 Defense total and that group decides in PM who donates and that person RNGs which turn to do so or just coordinate in thread and RNG which turn to act upon. Though that is subject to all elims just blocking everyone, that means they'll be out of chalk.]
82. Ashbringer: Fortune.
83. Reading: Gods of Lunch and Chance
84. Matrim: RNG! 
85. Devotary: 4?
86. Archer: Votes Flyingbooks [I have so many opinions], thief friend, distribute acid
87. Ash: Mix, 2
88. Quinn: Reject the Gods of Luck and Chance!
89. Striker: Likes RNG, but flaws. Needs everyone, RNG unreliable, etc.
90. Matrim: Common sense.
91. Araris: 20% better.
92. Reading: Will succumb to peer pressure, doesn't like it.
93. Quinn: Swayed by maths [don't give in!]
94. Random Bystander: Probability is weird.
95. Devotary: Coordination needs accountability and PMs
96. Striker: If probability, use 20%
97. Kasimir: Sure.
98. Quinn: Sure. [I still don't like the plan.]
99. Condensation: OK.
100. Illwei: Votes Condensation for PM spoilers
101. Condensation: Denies, Greek mythology 
102. Ventyl: Questions
103. Matrim: PM leak...?
104. Gears: Flawed and decent ideas hand in hand [So my opinion on the RNG plan still stands. The No Vote idea has been smote, so I drop this argument and discard it in the Eastern Sea.]
105. Araris: Can just ask.
106. Quinn: D1 X done to death, kill someone to get the withdrawal out of the way [SE is a drug cartel, and we're all a bunch of murder addicts.]
107. STINK: D1 X already hashed.
108. Order: But different!
109. Araris: Argument flawed
110. Illwei: Lamentations [Ash, why have you co-opted a perfectly good word into a name? I liked that word, and now I'm invoking the name of a god whenever I use it.]
111. Flyingbooks: No vote min?
112. Order: Aye.
113. Araris: But voting
114. Quinn: Vote min?
115. Araris: Hmm
116. Striker: KILL!
117. Quinn: LoW, def items useless for elims
118. Araris: Def items =/= useless
119. Quinn: But no use when using
120. Ash: KILL!
121. Condensation: Shadowblaze != important;
122. Kasimir: Shadowblaze = important;
123. Quinn: Shadowblaze = important;
124. Condensation: Shadowblaze = important;
125. Ash: Shadowblaze = opportunityRP;
126. STINK: Shadowblaze
127. Ashbringer: Lamentations [Ash. Honestly. I liked that word. I really liked that word.]
128. Quinn: Fight!
129. Ash: Time.
130. Quinn: ?
131. Striker: Ominous
132. Quinn: Confusion
133. Ash: Time.
134. Quinn: Comprehension
135. Ash: VC?
136. Alvron [Sidenote: Thoughts on new name of "Wraith"?]: PMs! Bury SpiderEZ!
137. Striker: Wait, don't.
138. Condensation: Exists.
139. Lotus: RP
140. GAME MASTER: Rule clarifications, all hail. All hail. ALL HAIL
141. Matrim: Murder list: Kill Condensation, Striker, Archer, Quinn, don't kill Matrim, Gears, Random Bystander, Araris [that trust will get you killed some day]
142. Bubbles: Exists, no Twilight!Bubbles.
143. Striker: Murder list: Kill Matrim, Condensation, Quinn, don't kill Striker, Kasimir, Alvron [Wraith], Random Bystander, Illwei, TJ, Burnt, Araris [that's a... large pool of murder free people]
144. Matrim: Why self?
145. Striker: Has reasoning [?], has bad reasoning [Ah]
146. Kasimir: Thanks, but murder addiction. Note Matrim, Striker, Araris, Alvron.
147. Quinn: Reads? How? No read on Striker, Matrim, RNG plan.

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The Servant of the Mad God smirked as the Daughter of the Prime Forest tried to reprimand him for his refusal to meld with the fold. He was a Servant of the Mad God, after all, and madness in this world was not following the rules and scriptures of society. He had to do it. Until he was considered sane, he had to continue onwards with this path. Once accusations of sanity crept his way, he would abruptly change Doctrines until no one dared to consider him sane. Unless he didn't. Unless he decided to be unpredictable. Unless he wanted to unnerve them by the sheer audacity of seeming sane. For isn't sanity true madness for the mad? And so anything and everything he did could be considered mad.

Several people had promised him their corpses. Having not put a time frame on collection, he would be visiting someone tonight. He had to investigate the effects of his altered Chalkling dust tonight. There were so many options. The flame-drenched one, the eager one, the fear-stricken one, and dozens more. So many corpses, so little time. Ah well, he didn't really remember where everyone's quarters were, so he would just stalk through the night until he found a new test subject. Maybe he could make them something new.

[Mat]

9 hours ago, StrikerEZ said:

You have a reasoning for your vote, while most others (at least as far as I can remember) don’t really have any reasoning for their votes. Which is definitely concerning.

:/ If just reasoning itself is suspicious, that's a problem. Because it shouldn't be.

9 hours ago, StrikerEZ said:

And I’m still not sure why me saying I’m going for a book in thread is such a big deal anyway. By the start of the night turn we’d be seeing who got the books anyway, so if the elims really want to know who has it, they can just wait a bit to see then anyway. Plus, I might not even end up getting the book I want, considering I know of one other player going for the same book I am.

It's less about the book now. I misunderstood what Alv said when I brought up the book.

2 hours ago, Quinn0928 said:

I think that Striker stating he's going after a Book is completely NAI since everyone wants those anyway

Again, not about the book anymore.

13 minutes ago, Gears said:

I think we can afford a few extra Defense early on, especially this assumed that the elims had the Shadowblaze for all 12 hypothetical cycles.

When I said that, I wasn't thinking mathematically and did no calculations, so it's understandable that you disagree  

14 minutes ago, Gears said:

votes Striker for wanting Books [which I don't understand]

It wasn't even just about the book do I need to go back and quote the post for you all to read again?

16 minutes ago, Gears said:

• Araris: Gods of Luck and Chance? [I don't think this is a good idea. I'd rather divide the player list into random groups that are each responsible for 1 Defense total and that group decides in PM who donates and that person RNGs which turn to do so or just coordinate in thread and RNG which turn to act upon. Though that is subject to all elims just blocking everyone, that means they'll be out of chalk.]

And the blocking possibility is why I don't want to do something like that. The RNG removes that worry, and Araris and Devotary already showed that the math checks out fine.

@Sart can I get a vote count?

To all the people on Gears: Why?

[Kasimir]

7 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

To all the people on Gears: Why?

[OOC: 1. Not playing seriously which means I'm not going to perform my usual analysis, 2. If you think there's a better candidate, who would you want executed? 3. I know what game Gears wants to play and I'm not interested in entertaining it.]

Edited January 30, 2021 by Kasimir

[Mat]

1 minute ago, Kasimir said:

If you think there's a better candidate, who would you want executed?

Currently I'm voting Striker, who finds me suspicious for having reasoning. 

[Ookla-son-son-Ventyl]

Hmm, I’ve decided to vote for Matrim. For two reasons: One, I don’t want Striker to get CMed Day One like he’s so often found himself being. Two, I think that the reason Striker finds Matrim suspicious is valid. If I’m remembering correctly, Matrim voted on him because Striker said he was taking a book. I think taking a Book at this point his NAI, so for Matrim to be suspicious of Striker for it seems a little like an elim looking for a way to mis-CM a villager. 

Though, if we could, I’d rather we didn’t lynch anybody this turn. But sense there’s no real way to do that, I’ll go with the person I’m most suspicious of.

[Araris Valerian]

10 hours ago, StrikerEZ said:

Araris: He feels like he’s really trying to figure out the best way to handle the protection of the camp, even if I have my concerns about his method. This is very slight right now.

10 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Araris: Gut vil. That can't possibly go wrong.

Thread pocket accomplished .

My vote on Gears had decent reasoning when I made it, and I haven’t really seen any reason to move it. Like I’ve said, I’ve spent enough cycles diverting from a D1 Gears kill, and this was a good opportunity to create pressure early. I’m sort of suspicious (of the general population) that nobody has been pushing strongly for any targets (Gears or otherwise).

Edit: Although Matrim has a couple of votes now. That feels a bit better.

Edited January 30, 2021 by Araris Valerian

[Mat]

1 minute ago, Ventyl said:

Hmm, I’ve decided to vote for Matrim. For two reasons: One, I don’t want Striker to get CMed Day One like he’s so often found himself being. Two, I think that the reason Striker finds Matrim suspicious is valid. If I’m remembering correctly, Matrim voted on him because Striker said he was taking a book. I think taking a Book at this point his NAI, so for Matrim to be suspicious of Striker for it seems a little like an elim looking for a way to mis-CM a villager. 

Though, if we could, I’d rather we didn’t lynch anybody this turn. But sense there’s no real way to do that, I’ll go with the person I’m most suspicious of.

...It’s not about the book. I’ve said that so many times -__- 

[Ookla-son-son-Ventyl]

Just now, Matrim's Dice said:

...It’s not about the book. I’ve said that so many times -__- 

Then why did you vote on Striker originally?

[Mat]

2 minutes ago, Ventyl said:

Then why did you vote on Striker originally?

Exhibit A:

On 1/28/2021 at 7:53 PM, Matrim's Dice said:

Quinn

So, I don't think we can to afford to overprotect if we don't have to. Later cycles we'll be very sorry if we've used up all of our chalk, and the more paranoid folks should have us covered until then.

And didn't Alv say that going for a book puts a target on your back? Striker! Welcome to the game  

Bold mine just now. This was the reason I voted Striker originally, and I included the book thing as sort of a second afterthought because I misunderstood what Alv meant.

Realization here:

On 1/28/2021 at 8:04 PM, Matrim's Dice said:

Oh.

Seconding Illwei's 'I need to go read the rules a bunch more times :P' That makes more sense, but my brain went with 'elims want powerful stuff=going for books is a cause for an eyebrow raise'

I still don't like the overprotection thing though

Where I back off the book thing entirely on page 2 and people still think it's my reason somehow.

Exhibit B:

10 hours ago, StrikerEZ said:

You have a reasoning for your vote, while most others (at least as far as I can remember) don’t really have any reasoning for their votes. Which is definitely concerning.

Anyway, my reasoning for voting on you is that you chose to paint that target on my back, after other people had commented and chosen not to themselves. There’s nothing inherent about what I did that paints a target on my back from the elims. And if you’re worried that I’m painting a target on my back for the elims to use...one you yourself painted there...why did you vote on me?

That’s honestly not much to go off of, but for a D1 vote it’s enough for me. 

And I’m still not sure why me saying I’m going for a book in thread is such a big deal anyway. By the start of the night turn we’d be seeing who got the books anyway, so if the elims really want to know who has it, they can just wait a bit to see then anyway. Plus, I might not even end up getting the book I want, considering I know of one other player going for the same book I am.

Anyway, tl:dr: Mat’s really my only elim suspicion right now, so I’m voting for him.

Bold mine, again. Striker is seeming to suggest that it's suspicious for me to have reasoning, Which it's not...

To the second paragraph: I never said that and am confused to what you're talking about. 

TL;DR I am voting on Striker for him suggesting we overprotect now (which may cause a speedy loss in the later cycles) and for continually voting me for less and less stable reasons. Not that they were stable in the first place, as they came directly because I voted him 

Don't make me vote Gears in self pres though :P. I don't want to.

[StrikerEZ]

@Matrim's Dice Well, I think we’re both misunderstanding each other. I’m not voting on you for having reasoning at all I’m voting on you because I think you’re using faulty reasoning. If you’re not voting me for the book thing, then why?

EDIT: Well, I should’ve looked at Mat’s post before I sent mine. I’ll wait for him to respond to this before I respond to his post.

Edited January 30, 2021 by StrikerEZ