Guest Breaker Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 Ventyl, it seems to me that it falls to you to adequately defend yourself, likely in implicating someone else.
Mat he/him Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 I don't like how close the votes are. I would suggest those on alternate trains to move their votes to condense it, as there almost surely will be manip and a Cambric vote. I won't be on until after rollover, most likely.
Guest Breaker Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 If anyone wants to make a case for me to move my vote, we’ve just over an hour left. I’m listening.
Straw he/him Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Breaker said: My honest opinion is that this sounds like bad faith interrogation, that the intention behind the initial statement was rather clear. If I am wrong, and you do read this differently from me, I genuinely do apologize for such a harsh accusation. Further, I hope I'm not stepping on the toes of your investigation, if this was a purposefully shallow attack. ??? I was confused because Archer's first game was as an elim so I'm not sure how to interpret what he's saying. Since on one hand it didn't seem like he thought you were an elim but on the other hand if you were playing like he did his first game, and he was an elim, then I'd read his post as an elim read on you. It wasn't an attack, and I'm not sure how you'd really read it as an attack on Archer. Archer also kind of answered my question before I posted my post, but I'd written it around the same time as Xino's second to last post and forgotten to send it until later (hence why I also didn't have reads on the newest posts and why I missed BrightEyes2 posting).
Guest Breaker Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 Apologies for the confusion, then, Straw.
BrightEyes2 she/her Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 I will vote Ventyl . The reasoning makes sense, and that should also prevent a tie.
Guest Breaker Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 I do feel a bit bad Ventyl may never offer a real defense after the point where he became the primary target. Maybe the last hour of these games are often very active and he’ll show?
Ashbringer he/him Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 20 minutes ago, Breaker said: I do feel a bit bad Ventyl may never offer a real defense after the point where he became the primary target. Maybe the last hour of these games are often very active and he’ll show? In most games, the last hour of D1 is usually very active. Most games don’t have their last hour on Christmas Eve I... don’t really like exeing Ventyl D1, because this seems to be more his style. But I get the arguments more than most Ventyl exes, so I’ll just keep a no vote for now.
Liranil she/her Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 Just to try and prevent a tie, Ventyl. Their switch to Matrim did seem a little fishy, but even if they're village, one village exed is better than two or more.
Guest Breaker Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 (edited) Safety first. Ventyl. (Eye the early adversaries of Ventyl if they’re a good guy?) Go ahead and kill me if you can, monsters of the night. I fear not a one of you. Edited December 25, 2020 by Breaker
Elandera she/her Posted December 25, 2020 Author Posted December 25, 2020 (edited) That's the turn. Rollover will take a while. Edited December 25, 2020 by Elandera 1
Elandera she/her Posted December 25, 2020 Author Posted December 25, 2020 (edited) “This should not even be up for discussion,” argued one of the varvax members of the DPS. “The Delver Resistance Project is clearly within our jurisdiction.” Keras stood apart from the arguments as the assembly squabbled. The members of the Department of Protective Services were not backing down. They clearly did not want to relinquish control over the project. But Keras’s own department would not be so easily cowed. They had the greater numbers. The arguments continued as it listened, fiddling with a metal contraption. It had said its piece already, so stayed quiet as the flurry of words flew through the air like arrows of ages past. But none quiet enough to be considered too aggressive for the council. One voice, which Keras recognized as a fellow member of the DSI, started to rise above the rest. It started to cut off the other voices. Keras shook its head. Too aggressive. Too much. It looked up finally, wondering if it could recognize the being speaking. Ventyl. They weren’t saying much, but it was enough. Enough to draw attention. Enough to be singled out. Keras observed Kaviq making a gesture to the High Minister’s assistant—the one leading the meeting. A gesture to officially take over the speaking platform. Metal clanged around the room once again. “Kaviq, you have the podium,” he said as the crowd quieted. “I move that Ventyl be removed from the assembly hall. Their actions today show they are far too aggressive for such a position among us. Too emotional to stay rational in such a discussion.” Keras shook its head. That was what it had feared. Another seconded the motion and a vote was held. Not in Ventyl’s favor. Keras watched as the being was removed from the hall. A small silvery badge was passed from Ventyl to the varvax security team. Their symbol of office, stripped from them for their own aggressive actions and words. That small moment left them with one fewer voice to their cause. *** In a side hall, Fade listened to the private discussions of what he suspected to be members of the Department of Protective Services. He was not truly a figment, but extensive training in the art of stealth and espionage allowed him to near that level of skill. They didn’t know he was there. No one knew he was there. He was invisible, practically intangible with his reflexes, truly skilled in the art of spying. There was a reason many thought him to be a figment. Words piqued his curiosity. This information would be invaluable to the Department of Species Integration. “Why that one?” one voice said. “I would have thought to kill the dione, the one that started this whole mess.” “No,” a different voice said, rebuking the first. “Keras is too protected. We would be caught if we were to try to kill it.” The two had nearly gone after Keras? Truly a horrid thought. But who was their target? Fade leaned in closer, straining to catch every sordid detail. “So we just have to find Fade,” the first voice said. “A difficult task, considering he’s a figment.” “Oh, not so hard,” the second voice replied. “He’s right outside.” Metal scraped and thudding steps drew close within moments. They were just on the other side of the door. Fade fled on fleet feet towards the meeting room, but his pursuers caught him in just a few steps. How had they known? How had they detected him? He was a master of stealth, he had trained for decades to know the way of air, how had they found him? His breath caught in his throat as they held him by the arm. He tried breaking free, but their grips were too strong. “He’s not even a figment, after all,” the second voice said. “Killing him is easy enough.” He opened his mouth to scream, but a single gloved hand covered it. There was something on that glove. Or in that hand. The world started to grow dark, starting at the edge of his vision, which was swirling like a galaxy. “Take him to the Nowhere, where no one can find him again.” Cycle Two Ventyl has been deposed! He was a member of the Department of Species Integration! Araris Valerian has been killed! He was a Heklo and a member of the Department of Species Integration! Vote Count Ventyl (6) - Quinn0928, Matrim’s Dice, Liranil, xinoehp512, Breaker, BrightEyes2 Snipexe (2) - Straw, Archer Matrim’s Dice (1) - Ventyl Archer (1) - Araris Valerian, StrikerEZ Player List Spoiler @Ookla the Shadowed @Quinn0928 @Straw @Somebody from Sel @Matrim's Dice @Dannex @Archer @Snipexe @Liranil Ventyl DSI @Ghanderflaffle Araris Valerian DSI Heklo @StrikerEZ @Ashbringer @xinoehp512 @Breaker @BrightEyes2 This turn ends in approximately 46.5 hours, on December 26, 2020 at 7:00 p.m. PST. Also, Gears wrote the majority of the writeup. Go give them all the upvotes. Seriously. I wouldn't have been able to do this without their help. Edited December 26, 2020 by Elandera 9
Guest Breaker Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 Hey, I was trying to get killed! This is disrespectful. I demand I be assassinated tonight.
Mat he/him Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 (edited) I wonder if Araris got off any PMs before he died... I'll look at his posts if I have time later tomorrow night, if not then the 26th. So a vote removed off of Archer, which is an interesting choice. It doesn't look like there was a Cambric vote. Of the votes on Ventyl, it's hard to pinpoint which seems the most suspicious, but I'm reasonably confident there's an elim in the train somewhere. It'd have been fairly easy to vote 'just to be safe' and get away with it, so I'd look at the later voters, especially those who emphasized this as their reason. Since Breaker was one of these, it makes me wonder if ^that post is some form of distancing from the elims as a whole. Edited December 25, 2020 by Matrim's Dice
Guest Breaker Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 (edited) Gears and someone else warned me newbies tended to survive at least two rounds, so I’m goading people in the early rounds to buck the trend. If you recall, I announced that I was fine being killed early, well before I moved to kill Ventyl. I did not sus Ventyl, but I’m wanted solidarity and control. But you can vote me out, if you like; I’m a role-less civilian, so I’m expendable, and I won’t feel bad about it. Kill me, if you dare, anyone. I await your challenge. I fear nothing. Edited December 25, 2020 by Breaker
Ashbringer he/him Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 My guess is either the Archer vote removal is just a Village Dione (Soother) trying to tell us they exist. Or an Elim Dione trying to tell us that they exist and want to be interpreted as a Village Dione. Trying to bandwagon to avoid ties helps lower the usefulness of vote manip, but that goes for both sides and generally isn't an enviable position for vote manipers. (Then again, I'm not entirely sure what the meta is with Village vote manipers anyways.) Araris as a first kill is interesting... Araris tends to get fear-killed. Which means I doubt any of the heavy-hitter analyzers was pulling the strings on that kill, more of someone who was scared that they couldn't escape his intuition. And then again, the only real heavy hitter I know of here is Straw. (Snipexe, Xino, XP/Shadowed, and Striker are all experienced (one more than others ), but I haven't really had much experience with them as players; and Mat and I can be dangerous, but simply don't have much experience to back it up.) Which is interesting considering my position yesterday. I'm probably reading too much into that, but that's my current thoughts.
Guest Breaker Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 I actually kinda interpreted the Araris kill similarly, although I also considered it to potentially be a way to throw suspicion at me, given what I said last cycle.
StrikerEZ he/him Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 40 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: And then again, the only real heavy hitter I know of here is Straw. (Snipexe, Xino, XP/Shadowed, and Striker are all experienced (one more than others ), but I haven't really had much experience with them as players; and Mat and I can be dangerous, but simply don't have much experience to back it up.) Which is interesting considering my position yesterday. Which one of us are you saying is more experienced than the others? Also, I’m annoyed on behalf of Ventyl. He always ends up offline right when things swing around towards him. It sucks getting exed when you weren’t even around to defend yourself. As for Araris, I’d look toward more inexperienced players as options for our elim teams. In my experience, newer players are more likely to fear kill than older players. Araris might not necessarily be a fear kill, but I think it’s one of the more likely options for why he was killed. As of right now, I think it is probable that the elims have a...whichever or the roles that’s basically a soother. There was a point where Archer was part of a big tie, and I could see one of them soothing one of the votes on Archer. For now, I’m going to place a vote on Archer again. I don’t like the way that the vote so quickly shifted onto Ventyl, and I don’t like that Archer had a vote moved off as well.
Guest Breaker Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 (edited) I’m going to apply some pressure, in response to the events of the last thread. Archer. I am the bone of my sword. Edited December 25, 2020 by Breaker
Quintessential she/her Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 I guess it's possible that this vote-manip was a villager demonstrating existence, but since no one had PMs during C1, that would be harder--typically a person trying to prove themselves would say in PMs who they were going to remove a vote from beforehand. Unless they were just trying to demonstrate general existence? But we knew there would be a Dione in the game, and as Ash pointed out, this isn't necessarily AI... Anyway, I think it's more likely that the Dione in question removed one of the votes on Archer back when Archer was tied for most votes (since nobody actually moved off of them, the vote-manip would have stayed on Archer), and then wasn't on to cancel the action after the relatively last-minute swing onto Ventyl. That suggests to me that Archer, and the Dione, are more likely elim, if the Dione was willing to protect Archer D1, so I'll join you in voting Archer.
Archer he/him Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 (edited) Well that could have gone better. Looking at my feel notes from last night, I had Araris down as neutral, so he would not have been my first choice to kill if I were Elim. What I suspect happened was the vote remover (village) went offline early when we were closer to a tie and submitted their action before the three people at the end put their's in. Or maybe they foresaw last minute vote switching. Or the vote remover (Elim) is attempting to frame me, in conjunction with a kill of one of the people who voted for me. If I were Elim, I might have requested the vote move from a fellow Elim or used the ability myself, but I would have cancelled it once the margins were padded on the main train. It's much too obvious. The only danger I was in was Araris' legacy of randomly voting for me and deciding not to switch because he didn't have a good reason to. He never voiced any real suspicions of me and probably would have changed his vote this cycle. Breaker's role claim seems off to me. I think they're a villager, but I think they're trying to stay alive. Or maybe they'd prefer to watch from the dead doc. Quick Edit: is the spy's win condition that they die? That'd be too obvious of them, right. Right? Double Edit: Nevermind Very unfortunately, my plan which I referred to last cycle relied on the Heklo reaching out to me. I made that invitation in the RP of my first post, and was hoping to be able to build a village network behind the scenes. Now that he's dead, I will now have to rely on being more open with my thoughts and hoping I'm not Elim killed for it. So much for scheming. Expect some analysis tomorrow, I'm pretty busy today. Oh, and Merry Christmas everybody! Edited December 25, 2020 by Archer
Guest Breaker Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 I’ll start trying to stay alive next round, probably. But my objective was to die before round 3 to prove my friends wrong. I therefore continue the aggressive strategy. Come at me.
Ghanderflaffle she/her Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Breaker said: I’ll start trying to stay alive next round, probably. But my objective was to die before round 3 to prove my friends wrong. I therefore continue the aggressive strategy. Come at me. I mean I did it in my first game, but it was bad luck instead of somebody killing me. Aaaanyways, I feel it's most likely the vote manip was placed early in the round and never removed.
Liranil she/her Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Archer said: Very unfortunately, my plan which I referred to last cycle relied on the Heklo reaching out to me. I made that invitation in the RP of my first post, and was hoping to be able to build a village network behind the scenes. So I haven't looked back at the rules, but can't there be more than one Heklo?
Quintessential she/her Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Liranil said: So I haven't looked back at the rules, but can't there be more than one Heklo? I think what Archer means is that they wanted to be able to PM someone this turn, but that nobody reached out to them. I would guess that there is in fact more than one Heklo. Also, @Elandera what is the order of actions for kills vs. actions? That is, if Araris tried to create PMs between two people other than themself, would that action have gone through? And do PMs stay open indefinitely? That was something I wasn't sure about from the phrasing in the rules, I think...
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