BrightEyes2 she/her Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 I am removing my post on Breaker. I had nothing on him anyway. Since at this point I don't think there is anything I can say to clear me, I am just going to say that I think Matrim is also suspicious to me. That is in addition to those I mentioned in my original post. It has been an honor playing. o7 Niki hoped that her status as a former Tenasi pilot would help her escape judgement. She had spoken up in hopes of contributing in a world of politics that was unfamiliar to her. It failed. In fact, it backfired quite spectacularly. As security approached and took her badge, she held her head high and saluted. Not because she was bold or as aggressive as they presumed, but because maybe in her death she would be heard and make a difference.
Mat he/him Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, BrightEyes2 said: Niki hoped that her status as a former Tenasi pilot would help her escape judgement. She had spoken up in hopes of contributing in a world of politics that was unfamiliar to her. It failed. In fact, it backfired quite spectacularly. As security approached and took her badge, she held her head high and saluted. Not because she was bold or as aggressive as they presumed, but because maybe in her death she would be heard and make a difference. Wait wait wait you claiming Tensai pilot? Edit: Also I find it annoying that 90% of those who have expressed suspicion on me have done so almost immediately after I voted them Edited December 27, 2020 by Matrim's Dice
Mat he/him Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) well that'd be a stupid thing to false claim BrightEyes2 Breaker Edited December 27, 2020 by Matrim's Dice
Mat he/him Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Breaker said: Matrim's Dice. I legitimately don't understand.
dannnex male Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: I legitimately don't understand. I believe he said earlier that he intends to vote anyone who votes him. Which does seem counterintuitive to his goal of dying... Edit: wait so why didn’t beaker vote for any of the other people who voted him. I’m very very confused. Also the cycle is over in like 20 seconds. Edited December 27, 2020 by Dannex
Guest Breaker Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 Brighteyes2 Nobody joined my last-minute crusade. But I just suspect Matrim and will use my chances to hit him. No offense.
BrightEyes2 she/her Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 I am going to put my vote back on Xinoehp512.
Mat he/him Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Breaker said: Brighteyes2 Nobody joined my last-minute crusade. But I just suspect Matrim and will use my chances to hit him. No offense. None taken. Tis the game. Edit: Are you trying to confuse the GM and me as much as possible? Edited December 27, 2020 by Matrim's Dice
Elandera she/her Posted December 27, 2020 Author Posted December 27, 2020 And that's turn. No more votes, no more shenanigans. 2
Gears Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) “Clearly, we are getting nowhere.” “Maybe we would if members of the DSI stopped mysteriously disappearing.” The metallic gavel snapped the room into silence. As each day progressed, the bickering became more forceful. Kaviq twitched its fingers in irritation. The superiority was supposed to be better than this. They might as well be humans at this point. Besides, how could anyone think of siding with the DSI? “There are some among the assembly here that are creating more problems than solutions. It is time for them to be removed. Niki, come forward.” The Tenasi stood and to Kaviq, she appeared weak. Hesitant. “Niki. You have been accused of being part of the disappearances of assembly members. Whether or not this is true, we cannot let such things continue. You are dismissed from any further duty with the Superiority.” The High Minister’s assistant cleared their throat and looked down at the device in front of them. “Cooper! Come forward.” The eager intern stood, smiling despite what Kaviq knew was inevitable. “You too have been accused of similar machinations. Your internship with the DSI cannot continue. You are dismissed.” Kaviq grinned as he watched the intern deflate at the words. Two more voices against their cause were silenced. Wonderful. *** Gerlik’s scent shifted to something similar to a citrus—sharp and clean—as he entered the assembly hall. It should match the many scents used by the cleaning drones to keep the area sanitary. He wanted to remain unnoticed. It was his job, after all, to help Keras discover the plans of Winzik, Kaviq, and the rest of the DPS. He’d been sent to follow one specific target. He’d located the being in the assembly hall and became familiar with their scent. Enough so that he could follow it even when the being was no longer there. Voices drifted to him on the drafts of air coming from a small room. Gerlik forcibly tempered his scent to be less noticeable as he continued to follow his quarry. “This is becoming a problem,” said one of the voices. Gerlik stopped, shifting closer to the door. He immediately recognized the speaker as Kaviq, one of the leading influences of the DPS. The one who often bore the scent of smoke. “Yeah, I don’t know how they keep finding us. Little spies keep looking for us.” They were on to him. Gerlik sprinted away as fast as he could, dodging another figure crouching outside the door. He couldn’t be caught, he had to report to Keras! As he ran away from the room, he heard a slight sound, almost like… footsteps. He was being followed. Evasive Manoeuvre 4: Lead and Corner. He moved towards a narrow corridor that dead-ended by the maintenance shaft entrances. The footsteps followed him into the narrow corridor. Then, he turned, facing his stalker with his weapon drawn. He took a laser pulse to the lung before he could even twitch his trigger finger. Ordinarily, he would be fine, since he was a figment. However, as he began moving towards his attacker, he felt himself began to… disintegrate. “How?” he gasped as the cloud that composed him began to separate. “You?” The figure grinned. He couldn’t see them but he knew they were grinning. “Yes,” they replied. “Me.” Gerlik wanted to reply, but couldn’t muster the energy to move. As one last final insult, his attacker sprayed some air freshener at him. How dare this person spray him with evergreen scent. How dare... how… da… He fell apart at long last and did not reform. *** Faleast moved towards the slightly open door carefully, trying to keep noise at a minimum. The Department of Protective Services was not very wise, leaving the door open like this. Hadn’t they ever heard of closing the scudding door? Honestly. Stop it with the meta references,, AraRaash hissed. The fourth wall is already broken enough. Besides, I still think this is a bad idea. You’re the one that’s directly referencing the walls! Faleast retorted. Now hush. I need to focus. AraRaash grumbled, but blessedly quieted down, letting Faleast listen more closely. “So we are decided?” someone said. “The figment?” Faleast drew closer. They were talking about who to kill! This was his chance to gain some information. “Yes,” said another person, this one much more authoritative. “He knows too much.” “Alright,” the first one said. “Now to find him.” The other one moved to speak, but paused, smiling in Faleast’s general direction. “Never mind,” said the first one in an oddly jubilant tone. “We’ve got ourselves another spy.” Faleast scrambled away, but one of them grabbed him before he escaped. I told you! AraRaash yelled as the more authoritative one approached him. “So look what we have here,” the leader said. “A little spy.” Rusts, could you be any more cliche? Faleast grumbled. At least be a little creative. One of the people pulled out a gun, and Faleast prepared to drop vital functions. “Any last words?” the one aiming a gun at him said. “Yeah,” Faleast replied. “Could you aim for my head? I really like this uniform.” In compliance with his “last” request, the man shot him in the head twice. Faleast gasped and let his heartbeat slow. Fine, Faleast said mentally. You were right, I shouldn’t have spied on the obviously evil people. Yes, AraRaash said back. Listen to me next time. Not a chance! he replied as he let his eyes close. I’ll be a bit more careful, though. Just for you. *** Keras put the gear train into the mechanism and set it spinning as it contemplated the day’s events. It had lost a valuable spy, and several members of the Department of Species Integration were lost. The Departments were inordinately vicious today, choosing to remove two people, and that pilot had killed someone like a human. So uncivilised. It stood and began moving back towards its workshop. The mechanism was nearly complete. If it was given enough time, perhaps it could finish the stupid, intricate thing that had been driving it mad for months. A housing shell for the object it had found. A capsule, with a fascinating chain of light inside. A program in a strange language with holographic capabilities and communicators. Perhaps it was an AI, and thus should be destroyed at once to avoid the delvers. Perhaps it was simply a sophisticated communications system. Either way, it had to know the entity’s capabilities. And thus, the mechanism. If it could actually get the thing to work. As Keras passed by Kaviq, it had to bite back the urge to bare its teeth. Was it really that angry with the Department of Protective Services? As it analysed its emotions, it realised that yes, it was that angry. Kaviq and his cronies were picking them off one by one, and it couldn’t do a thing to stop them. So many dead or gone, and still, no progress. It was just so frustrated. It reached the workshop and buried itself in the land of metal and machines, but that ember of anger still burned bright. Cycle Three BrightEyes2 has been deposed! She was a Tenasi Pilot with the Department of Species Integration! Archer has been deposed! He was a member of the Department of Species Integration! Ashbringer has been killed! He was a Heklo with the Department of Species Integration! Matrim’s Dice has been killed! He was a Figment with the Department of Species Integration! Vote Count Quinn0928 (1) - Straw Breaker (1) - Somebody from Sel, Matrim’s Dice xinoehp512 (1) - Archer, BrightEyes2 BrightEyes2 (2) - Liranil, xinoehp512 Archer (2) - StrikerEZ Matrim’s Dice (1) - Breaker Experience has been replaced! Welcome TJ Shade! Player List Spoiler Experience/@TJ Shade @Quinn0928 @Straw @Somebody from Sel Matrim's Dice DSI Figment @Dannex Archer DSI @Snipexe @Liranil Ventyl DSI @Ghanderflaffle Araris Valerian DSI Heklo @StrikerEZ Ashbringer DSI Heklo @xinoehp512 @Breaker BrightEyes2 DSI Tenasi Pilot This turn ends in approximately 47.5 hours, on December 28, 2020 at 7:00 p.m. PST. Upvote Elandera for being nice enough to let me post the turn and writing a good portion of the write-up! Edited December 27, 2020 by Gears 7
Guest Breaker Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 So, I’m basically the only one under any scrutiny to escape slaughter. Now that I’m no longer trying to die, I’m gonna have to try hard not to die. Joy. At least I was right about ashbringer. Down to business. Tomorrow’s personality is more quiet, so I’d like to investigate Xino, since so many before us did, and I seriously maintain that Liranil is my prime suspect.
dannnex male Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 Oh geez. This is one of the craziest writeups I’ve ever seen. So much to think about. 1. Vote Manipulation a. One vote removed from Breaker b. One vote removed from Xino c. One vote added to Archer 2. Deaths a. Brighteyes and Archer were both deposed via voting, but Archer had a vote added via Cambric. b. Ashbringer and Matrim were both killed, one by the Elims, and one by a Tenasi Pilot. 3. Roles a. Brighteyes was a Tenasi Pilot, presumably the one who killed either Matrim or Ashbringer. I’ll look back at their posts to see if they were suspicious of either of them. b. Ashbringer was a Heklo. I haven’t had any PMs opened so I don’t know what to think of this. Didn’t somebody say that they thought there was going to be only one Heklo? That might be worth looking into. c. Matrim was a figment. Unless he shared the results of his actions with somebody, that’s a waste. Maybe this explains his mildly suspicious ‘gut reads’ from earlier. Maybe they were actually reads based on the results of his scan.
Guest Breaker Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 I’m still candid until I go to sleep, so I’d like to announce that I’ve been placed in a PM.
Liranil she/her Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Breaker said: So, I’m basically the only one under any scrutiny to escape slaughter. Now that I’m no longer trying to die, I’m gonna have to try hard not to die. Joy. At least I was right about ashbringer. Down to business. Tomorrow’s personality is more quiet, so I’d like to investigate Xino, since so many before us did, and I seriously maintain that Liranil is my prime suspect. Just so we're on the same page, can you outline your reasoning for me as your prime suspect? I know I've been sus of you for a while (and still am a little), but is there more to your suspicion than that? As for my thoughts so far... I always work better with numbers, and this vote count gives us some good ones. There are at least two Diones since none of those who died were Diones, and two votes were removed, one off Breaker (either Somebody's or Matrim's) and one off Xino (either Archer's or BrightEyes'). A Cambric also added a vote to Archer, which lead to a tie and their death. Based on that, I'd say the Cambric is definitely an elim since I can't see a villager adding to a tie like that, unless they did that early on before all of the craziness happened in the last hour or so. As for the Diones, it could go either way. Edit: Ninja'd by Dannex 30 minutes ago, Dannex said: Matrim was a figment. Unless he shared the results of his actions with somebody, that’s a waste. Maybe this explains his mildly suspicious ‘gut reads’ from earlier. Maybe they were actually reads based on the results of his scan. Hmm, that's worth looking into. I'm going to reread Matrim's posts and see if that helps. And I think Archer was the one who thought there was only one Heklo, so that doesn't help much. 30 minutes ago, Breaker said: I’m still candid until I go to sleep, so I’d like to announce that I’ve been placed in a PM. So based on Elandera's order of operations, there's still at least one Heklo alive, too. Edit: didn't mean to double post, I though Breaker's post was in between my two. Edited December 27, 2020 by Liranil
|TJ| he/him Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) Hey, I've gone through the stuff till now, and it looks like I've walked right into a massacre eh? Let's get to it. First off all, Breaker, I'd like to tell that whoever informed you about "We don't kill new players early" gave you partial information. It's a norm, not a given. If a new player is behaving suspicious, we'd definitely go after them. And it'd be the same if elims felt a new player is being dangerous in their analysis. This is evident in this very game, seeing as BrightEyes was eliminated in the second cycle. Archer was a prime elimination candidate in the last game (his first game) in C2 as we found him suspicious. Gears was NK'd within the first 3 cycles in his first game here. So if you're dangerous or suspicious enough, you will get killed irrespective of the new-player shield. I also disagree with Quinn when she said Breaker is village because he's being vocal. Just because it happened once doesn't mean a different team of elims would advice the same thing. Or that Breaker would be amenable to the plan of keeping quiet even if they did. Coming to the massacre of the last cycle, I believe BrightEyes killed Matrim as they mentioned suspicion on Matrim multiple times, which makes Ashbringer the elim kill. Maybe there is some accuracy to the suspect pool he arrived at after PoE. I went through the reason for his eliminations, and they seem valid, but I'll talk about them a little later. EDIT: I hit enter by accident, there is a lot more I have left to say. So currently editing the post. Before the vote manipulation, let's look at the last set of votes from the time Elandera posted the last vote count. Person of Interest are Breaker, BrightEyes, Matrim and Xino. So I'll be stating votes in Breaker-BrightEyes-Matrim-Xino format. Time of vote count. Breaker had 5 votes (from SfS, Matrim, Liranil, BrightEyes, and Breaker themself). BrightEyes had xino's vote. Matrim had one from Danex. Xino had one from Archer. 5-1-1-1. Matrim shifts from Breaker to BrightEyes to make it 4-2-1-1. Nothing to analyse as Matrim has since flipped village. Breaker shifts to BrightEyes, which can be seen as self preservation (but later voter will disprove this). 3-3-1-1. Dannex removes vote off Matrim, which seems insignificant compared what happened afterwards, so I don't exactly know what to make of it. I have other reasons to be suspicious of Dannex, which I'll tell later. 3-3-0-1. Liranil shifts from Breaker to BrightEyes. Tie-break gives her good points, but the since BrightEyes flipped village, some of those points have to be docked. 2-4-0-1. BrightEyes removes a vote off Breaker. BrightEyes now leading the elimination comfortably. 1-4-0-1. Matrim changes the vote back to Breaker following the Tenasi Pilot claim. 2-3-0-1. At this point, any sort of vote changing would have to be scrutinized carefully, because we have candidate leading the elimination. Any vote hopping away from BrightEyes will have to considered as an act to tie more people for a mass kill. At this juncture, Breaker moves away from BrightEyes to vote on Matrim, foregoing self-preservation. To possibly hope for a triple tie? Take 2 villages down with him? (Quadruple tie taking 3 villagers if we include the Cambric vote). 2-2-1-1. Breaker changes back to BrightEyes Seeing as no one joined on Matrim, and noticed that the tie would be blamed on them? 2-3-0-1. BrightEyes adds a vote to Xino. 2-3-0-2. Breaker again changes to Matrim. 2-2-1-2. Now that there's a triple tie, he could definitely have been hoping again for someone else to join him on Matrim making it a 4-way tie (5 including Cambric vote). And even if they didn't, there's a 3 way tie, and they'd escape because of vote cancel and someone else would die because of Cambric vote. That's 3 villagers dead only due to the vote, if they had their way. And no one did. This is the reason I'm suspicious of Breaker, all the vote hopping had no intention other than to create a massive tie. I cannot see any other reason for it. They knew they'd be safe because they knew someone with a vote manip would save them. If not there's no reason to vote against self-preservation. They could have vote for BrightEyes or Xino to prevent a tie, but they specifically voted for a player with no votes on them to keep the tie. This makes Xino village in my eyes, because he was supposed to have died in the tie, but was saved mostly by a village Dione who didn't want a tie, or he's a Dione himself. The Cambric is most definitely an elim as no village would have added a vote in that situation. Also, Xino was the one to break the tie for the Ventyl elimination, so I feel that he's moderate village. Removing the dead villagers from the Ash's suspect pool, we have: Quote Quinn, Dannex, Snipexe, Striker, Xino Removing Xino for the above mentioned reasons. Quinn seems like the games we've played before, so I want to read her as village. But the point is Quinn would play quite similar to the way she's been if he lands elim, so there's no way to know the difference until she lands elim once again. Village for now. That leaves us with Dannex, Snipexe and Striker. Striker defending Ventyl is NAI imo. He's been doing that in all games when Ventyl has come under scrutiny for being chaotic. Snipexe gave a very articulate post of their thoughts in response to suspicion from Straw, which I liked. Would like to see more from both of them. Dannex has been making posts and it seems very much like he's trying to appear village by talking but not actually contributing to the elimination discussion. Some tiny suspicions include Liranil, who was the 5th person to vote on Ventyl, yet gave the reason that it was to prevent a tie. Straw's first post saying "I still stand by the 3 elims guess" felt a little off to me, because I feel like that's a statement someone would make if they're alignment had changed. But that is making deductions based on previous roll, so I won't follow that path. Have a gut read that Snipexe/Straw is v/e in that order. Breaker. For the reasons stated above, and for voting 6th on Ventyl and still giving "Safety" as the reason, when there was no danger of a tie. Not a single thing that Breaker has posted till has told 'village' to me or seemed like it was something that helped the village. Edited December 27, 2020 by TJ Shade
Quintessential she/her Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 8 hours ago, Dannex said: Ashbringer was a Heklo. I haven’t had any PMs opened so I don’t know what to think of this. Didn’t somebody say that they thought there was going to be only one Heklo? Matrim was a figment. Unless he shared the results of his actions with somebody, that’s a waste. Maybe this explains his mildly suspicious ‘gut reads’ from earlier. Okay, so some of you may remember that I mentioned having an open PM last cycle? It was with Matrim. He never did claim to me, much less tell me the results of his scans, but he did say he had another PM open with someone who claimed Heklo, but said that they hadn't opened the PM between me and Matrim. So, confirming what we already knew, yes there were two Heklo, and one of them was in contact with Matrim. Which one--whether it was Ash or the as yet unidentified Heklo--I'm not sure. 8 hours ago, Liranil said: Hmm, that's worth looking into. I'm going to reread Matrim's posts and see if that helps. And I think Archer was the one who thought there was only one Heklo, so that doesn't help much. So based on Elandera's order of operations, there's still at least one Heklo alive, too. Archer thought there could only be one of each role, so he thought there must be only one Heklo. 2 hours ago, TJ Shade said: I also disagree with Quinn when she said Breaker is village because he's being vocal. Just because it happened once doesn't mean a different team of elims would advice the same thing. Or that Breaker would be amenable to the plan of keeping quiet even if they did. Right, I was actually going to say that. Before the end of last cycle, I hadn't seen him do much of anything sus, so I was willing to read his alignment based on my idea of what a new elim/new village player looks like. Since his voting patterns last turn were... ah, not great, I'm now reading him as elim. 2 hours ago, TJ Shade said: which makes Ashbringer the elim kill. Maybe there is some accuracy to the suspect pool he arrived at after PoE. Or maybe that's just what they want you to think! In seriousness, though, I thought it was common practice for elims to kill people with incorrect reads to try to mislead the village. Is that not the case? I still think the list is useful, I guess, especially since we at least know Ash is village and wasn't deliberately ruling out elims to protect his teammates. 2 hours ago, TJ Shade said: Before the vote manipulation, let's look at the last set of votes from the time Elandera posted the last vote count. Person of Interest are Breaker, BrightEyes, Matrim and Xino. So I'll be stating votes in Breaker-BrightEyes-Matrim-Xino format. I'm slightly confused why this doesn't look at Archer as well, seeing as Archer actually died from the vote... but whatever : P I'll read the rest of the vote analysis before complaining XD 2 hours ago, TJ Shade said: Liranil shifts from Breaker to BrightEyes. Tie-break gives her good points, but the since BrightEyes flipped village, some of those points have to be docked. 2-4-0-1. I mean, if Liranil's village she wouldn't know that BrightEyes was village, so idk whether docking makes sense? Regardless, I read her as village for now. 2 hours ago, TJ Shade said: And no one did. This is the reason I'm suspicious of Breaker, all the vote hopping had no intention other than to create a massive tie. I cannot see any other reason for it. They knew they'd be safe because they knew someone with a vote manip would save them. If not there's no reason to vote against self-preservation. They could have vote for BrightEyes or Xino to prevent a tie, but they specifically voted for a player with no votes on them to keep the tie. I mean, to be entirely fair I've voted against self-pres before, or not voted self-pres (though in retrospect it was kind of dumb XD). However, the rest of your point is good. Breaker's voting was weird, too weird, I think, for it to be just his desire to fulfill a bet by dying before C3. 2 hours ago, TJ Shade said: This makes Xino village in my eyes, because he was supposed to have died in the tie, but was saved mostly by a village Dione who didn't want a tie, or he's a Dione himself. The Cambric is most definitely an elim as no village would have added a vote in that situation. Also, Xino was the one to break the tie for the Ventyl elimination, so I feel that he's moderate village. Hmmm okay that makes sense. Given that, my read on Xino is now village. Also, there is a slim chance that the Cambric added the vote onto Archer earlier on at a time when it would have put him in the lead, or farther in the lead (does a time like that exist? I haven't actually gone back to check oof), and then the Cambric wasn't on to remove the vote when it became clear that there would be a tie. However, still probably a good assumption that the elims have a Cambric, since both the Dione removals seemed vil and I can't imagine there are three Diones... 2 hours ago, TJ Shade said: Dannex has been making posts and it seems very much like he's trying to appear village by talking but not actually contributing to the elimination discussion. I'd love to be able to give a sophisticated "Hmmm I had noticed that as well" in response to this one, but unfortunately if Dannex is trying to avoid being noticed too much, it's working on me. I have him down as neutral right now just 'cause he hasn't posted enough for me to get a good read on him. Which could be the point... slight elim for Dannex. My updated reads: Village: Liranil, Xino, TJ (in-depth analysis post just now, makes good points, etc.) Neutral: SfS, Straw, Ghander, Striker, Mild elim: Snipexe, Dannex, Breaker I'm sorry for all these wall-posts : P the way the scheduling works out for me, I seem to be inactive due to sleep or family stuff when everyone else is popping off, so this is my way of catching up.
|TJ| he/him Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Quinn0928 said: I'm slightly confused why this doesn't look at Archer as well, seeing as Archer actually died from the vote... but whatever : P I'll read the rest of the vote analysis before complaining XD Because no votes were added or removed from Archer from that point. He had a vote on him, someone added another one and he died. 1 hour ago, Quinn0928 said: I mean, to be entirely fair I've voted against self-pres before, or not voted self-pres (though in retrospect it was kind of dumb XD). However, the rest of your point is good. Breaker's voting was weird, too weird, I think, for it to be just his desire to fulfill a bet by dying before C3. It's not just voting against self-pres by itself. It's voting against self-pres accompanied by the vote Soothed off them which makes me think they knew a vote would be taken off them, and hence they could freely vote without being concerned about self-pres. And yes, I do think the Dione who removed a vote off Breaker is an elim.
Liranil she/her Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 TJ's analysis seems pretty solid to me, and I'm inclined to trust them as I don't think Experience would pass up a chance to be elim (based on my one game with them...). 4 hours ago, TJ Shade said: Some tiny suspicions include Liranil, who was the 5th person to vote on Ventyl, yet gave the reason that it was to prevent a tie. That's understandable. I actually assumed there were 2 or more of both Diones and Cambrics, which would mean that someone would need at least four more votes than other players to prevent a tie, so I wanted as wide a gap as possible to diminish the power of vote manipulation. Idk if that helps my case or not. One thing we haven't talked a lot about is the Detritus Spy, other than the fact that if they die, someone switches to elim. I feel like someone already asked this, but I can't find the answer, so @Elandera, if the spy dies, are they announced in the write-up as the spy? I don't know how to quote from other threads/the rules, but what I want to point out here is this: if the Detritus Spy researches someone who has a role and gets information from them, they can use that person's ability for the remainder of the game. There was a reason I thought that was important, but my brain stopped functioning so if I remember where I was going with that, I'll mention it. Also as a note, the Varvax leader (the one who can protect someone from Suppression or Tenasi kills) hasn't been killed yet, and we also haven't had a Cambric or a Dione die yet. We have 11 people left, so if we're right about there being four elims, then there are still 4 elims, 1 spy, and 6 village. Which means we're uncomfortably close to... Exe or Lose? (Whatever the new version of LyLo is). I'll come back with my reads and vote when I have more time.
Elandera she/her Posted December 27, 2020 Author Posted December 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Liranil said: One thing we haven't talked a lot about is the Detritus Spy, other than the fact that if they die, someone switches to elim. I feel like someone already asked this, but I can't find the answer, so @Elandera, if the spy dies, are they announced in the write-up as the spy? Yes, it will be announced the same way as any other death.
Quintessential she/her Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, TJ Shade said: It's not just voting against self-pres by itself. It's voting against self-pres accompanied by the vote Soothed off them which makes me think they knew a vote would be taken off them, and hence they could freely vote without being concerned about self-pres. And yes, I do think the Dione who removed a vote off Breaker is an elim. Wait, but you also said you thought the Cambric is elim... so you think they have one of each? 4 minutes ago, Liranil said: Also as a note, the Varvax leader (the one who can protect someone from Suppression or Tenasi kills) hasn't been killed yet, and we also haven't had a Cambric or a Dione die yet. We have 11 people left, so if we're right about there being four elims, then there are still 4 elims, 1 spy, and 6 village. Which means we're uncomfortably close to... Exe or Lose? (Whatever the new version of LyLo is). Oh. Er. That is exe/lose. If we exe a villager this cycle, then two non-elims will die. If the elims hit the DS they'll get an extra elim, meaning they'll have 5 vs the 5 villagers, and they'll win. Otherwise, the elims hit a villager and there are four elims and four villagers. The DS doesn't count for parity. So... ah. We have to exe an elim this cycle
Liranil she/her Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Quinn0928 said: Wait, but you also said you thought the Cambric is elim... so you think they have one of each? Oh. Er. That is exe/lose. If we exe a villager this cycle, then two non-elims will die. If the elims hit the DS they'll get an extra elim, meaning they'll have 5 vs the 5 villagers, and they'll win. Otherwise, the elims hit a villager and there are four elims and four villagers. The DS doesn't count for parity. So... ah. We have to exe an elim this cycle ...oof. Wait, do they need to tie us or outnumber us?
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