Quintessential she/her Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, Straw said: Quinn - very mild elim Snipexe - mild elim I'm a bit unsure about Snip, so I think I'll go with a Quinn vote. Er... I'm confused. If you're more sure about me than Snip, why did you read Snip as "mild elim" and me as "very mild elim"? Also, again, I didn't exactly bandwagon Archer. I had my own reasons for voting them, reasons that no one else had expressed yet and that I explained in my post. The reason I voted after the others is that the timezone I'm in prevents me from being on for the first nine or ten hours of each cycle, but I would have voted Archer regardless of how many votes were already on them.
Mat he/him Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 Yeah, the more I read the BrightEyes post... If people want to switch to BrightEyes I'd be down for that. Unrelatedly, Straw made a good point about xino at the beginning of his post that makes me more sure he's village. I know he's not an elim in Mat/Archer/Snip (for obvious reasons + I trust Archer) so that helps too.
Guest Breaker Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 I mean, regarding bandwagons, I was the first to complain about ties, and I vote-changed reluctantly, only in order to prevent someone else dying. Calling that collusion by the elims is iffy, since I didn’t move until the outcome was already virtually inevitable, and where the only other outcome would require elims and villagers to incidentally tie two people with coordination that doesn’t exist. My vote was simply a matter of margin of error. I was trained on Matrim most of the cycle.
BrightEyes2 she/her Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 The reason I voted Ventryl on the first round, was purely because I didn't know anyone, and I didn't have good reads/thoughts on anyone, so I just bandwagoned. Yes, there is big discrepancies between the list and reads. When I made my list, I went through the cycle and ctrl-f anyone's name and read through their thoughts and what people had said about them. That meant that as I was putting together the list, I was trying to go off of what people said and making some inferences. The reads at the end, on the other hand, were based off of my gut feelings at the end. I would be willing to (and probably will) remove my vote of Xino, purely to prevent a tie, but I wanted to express my feelings and the fact that I didn't think that the other three were suspicious.
Liranil she/her Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: Yeah, the more I read the BrightEyes post... If people want to switch to BrightEyes I'd be down for that. Unrelatedly, Straw made a good point about xino at the beginning of his post that makes me more sure he's village. I know he's not an elim in Mat/Archer/Snip (for obvious reasons + I trust Archer) so that helps too. BrightEyes definitely seems more sus to me now, but I'm not sure we could get enough people switched over to make it decisive before rollover. I'm torn on Straw, somewhat because they just spread out the vote even more, but I'm not sure an elim would do that... Unless they were trying to lay low (getting caught being right, as Archer said. Breaker, convince me to switch my vote off of you! (I also don't want to be your enemy, and i hope you come back to play another game even if you die. Edit: ninja'd Edited December 27, 2020 by Liranil
Guest Breaker Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 My arguments are made already. Believe me or don’t. I’ll probably be back, regardless. I think you’re an eliminator.
BrightEyes2 she/her Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 34 minutes ago, Breaker said: Hey, if you want anything from me, reads or otherwise, you’ve got about three hours of me being candid left. Then I either die or shorty become quiet for about 24 hours. I would like to hear your overall reads on the people you haven't mentioned yet.
xinoehp512 he/him Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 *sigh* To the Nowhere with lists. Vote Count: Archer (1) - Striker Breaker (3) - SfS, Matrim, Liranil Matrim's Dice (2) - Dannex, Breaker xinoehp512 (2) - Archer, BrightEyes Quinn (1) - Straw BrightEyes (1) - Xino I don't really have much on Breaker; I find them hard to read. 1 hour ago, Quinn0928 said: Hmmm this perhaps isn't... the best situation. We now have one person with 3 votes and three people with 2. That means that if the elims have a Dione, they could cause a four-way tie, and if they have a Cambric they could cause a two-way tie. Also, any non-elim vote-manippers could, with all the best of intentions, cause ties between villagers. It's a precarious situation, so with that in mind I'm going to remove my vote. Archer I won't vote Breaker, because I still think they're village and I want to believe that the people who've voted for them will change their minds... But I don't want a four-way tie to be within reach of the elims, so I'm removing my vote on Archer. Hopefully that will help, and I'll be able to pursue my suspicion of him without causing a near-tie next cycle. Hmm, you really are making it difficult for me, aren't you? I'm going to have to do some serious revisiting of my read on you... 1 hour ago, BrightEyes2 said: Niki let herself zone out from the conversation. It was less of a conscious decision, and more of a way of centering herself. Not from aggressive feelings of course, those didn't affect her people, but from nerves. Ventryl she thought, Poor Ventryl, having to carry home the disappointment from being stripped of her rank. She let herself ignore the conversation for too long. The meeting was already mostly over when an announcement was heard from a messenger Dione. "Arais Valerian is gone. He has simply disappeared." The room began to mutter as discussion blossomed between those on both sides of the meeting hall again bringing fresh debates to the topic. "Order," the high minister called, "This news is disturbing but we must continue with order." The DPS go too far, she thought, They have began to let aggression cloud their actions. With it being Christmas and all, this has been the first time I have been able to post (this cycle), so here are my thoughts from this cycle (reads below). Be aware that I don't know anyone here from anything besides this game so things I may think are weird or noticeable about someone could be very normal. Reveal hidden contents Matrim's Dice: You seem very defensive and interested in covering your back. You also seem to be pushing hard on Breaker, but don't want to be associated with anyone. At the same time, you are trying to share your thinking and reads on people, which is very much appreciated. Somebody from Sel: You seem to play with a lot of emotion, less logic. You almost seem afraid of Breaker's brashness and that is swinging your vote. Breaker: You seem to just be playing brashly, without much regard for convention particularly this cycle. You wanted to be killed as announced yourself as your first post and are pushing against those that seem to put you as an elim. I don't really know how to read you but I don't see this as a reason to kill you. My gut instinct is that as you are new, are just trying to do as many things, and try as many play styles as you can. It makes it hard to read but I don't think you are an elim. Quinn0928: You seemed to do a similar thing to what I did (Busy, so mega post and a bit nervous to decisively vote). You seem willing to share information, and open with your thoughts. I also think you are trying to vote based on your independent thought and trying not to bandwagon Liranil: You give a solid reasoning for Breaker being an active elim if it is a more inexperienced team, and give solid reasons not to explicitly trust Ashbringer's list of a probable leader elims. Ashbringer: You seem to suggest that the Arais kill was a fear kill or a metagame kill. This swung discussion that way and don't think it has swung back. You were then the first to put together a clear list of where you thought people lie (as far as being elim leaders) and I think you are trying to be logical in your posts. StrikerEz: You seem to be going off of the removed vote on Archer and are suspicious of Archer because of it. Archer: You seemed eager to move on from what happend last round with suspicions regarding you not revealing a strategy. Most people seem to be reading you as a capable elim or a capable village. I think that you are making vocal reads based on your perceptions of elim behavior. You also seem to be pushing Xino Xinoehp512: You seem to be busy/doing other things and just not being on. My read is that you are either not super active, or trying to seem that way. Straw: You seem to again be busy. Most people seem to be calling you as an expierenced player but that is all I really know. Dannex: Again, you seem busy. The only weird part of that to be, is just that people seem to be putting you, Quinn, and Matrim on the same list of talkative people. You don't seem to be fitting that bill in both C1 and C2 (then again, Christmas was yesterday so that kind of changes things). Your only post then goes to put suspiscion on Matrim's post of gut reads. Snipexe: People have said that you are expirenced, and you haven't posted this cylce. Ghanderflaffle: You commented on the soothing of a vote on Archer and haven't commented since. Ookla the Shadowed: No information Reads (based on notes in the spoiler, and just gut reads): Villiage: Breaker, Quinn0928, Archer, Ashbringer Neutral: Matrim's Dice, Ookla the Shadowed, Ghanderflaffle, Snipexe, Straw, Strikerez Elim: Dannex, Xinoehp512, Liranil, Somebody from Sel Xinoehp512 is my vote, out of the reason listed above, reads and because they have been voted on once. This makes me somewhat suspicious. It feels as if this post has the influence of elim teammates pushing an agenda. BrightEyes42, today is as good a day as any to die.
BrightEyes2 she/her Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) I am going to switch my vote to Breaker and rescend my vote on Xinoehp512. This is, as i said earlier, to prevent a tie. It is not because I think he is elim or Xino seems innocent, but to prevent other innocents from possibly being taken in a tie. 59 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: Yeah, the more I read the BrightEyes post... If people want to switch to BrightEyes I'd be down for that. Unrelatedly, Straw made a good point about xino at the beginning of his post that makes me more sure he's village. I know he's not an elim in Mat/Archer/Snip (for obvious reasons + I trust Archer) so that helps too. 24 minutes ago, xinoehp512 said: *sigh* To the Nowhere with lists. Vote Count: Archer (1) - Striker Breaker (3) - SfS, Matrim, Liranil Matrim's Dice (2) - Dannex, Breaker xinoehp512 (2) - Archer, BrightEyes Quinn (1) - Straw BrightEyes (1) - Xino I don't really have much on Breaker; I find them hard to read. Hmm, you really are making it difficult for me, aren't you? I'm going to have to do some serious revisiting of my read on you... This makes me somewhat suspicious. It feels as if this post has the influence of elim teammates pushing an agenda. BrightEyes42, today is as good a day as any to die. This really feels like a jump onto me, from both of you, as it is quite sudden, and there wasn't anything on me before this. What reason would I or the rest of the elims have in having me suddenly say something? I would be much more useful in the background without any suspicion. I understand that that is the same reason for Xino not being an elim. This seems either like posts in fear, or a push to elimate a villager. I just want to asterisk this either in case I die, or just so this is flagged before the next round. Edited December 27, 2020 by BrightEyes2 Forgot to add something
Guest Breaker Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, BrightEyes2 said: I would like to hear your overall reads on the people you haven't mentioned yet. I can try? There are fifteen of us, I hardly know anyone, and I haven’t been taking notes. I’m watching Who Framed Roger Rabbit with my family, so I can sit down and try to make a breakdown. Won’t be comprehensive. I don’t have a necessarily strong read on anyone; I’m watching. Even with my oddities, shouldn’t be surprising from a newbie. Ain’t gonna pretend I’ve got a great lead to hide; I’m just not confident of much. Ultimately, I fail to see how it should exonerate or incriminate me. It doesn’t seem very relevant to whether you should vote me. I simply have little
Mat he/him Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, BrightEyes2 said: This really feels like a jump onto me, from both of you, as it is quite sudden, and there wasn't anything on me before this. What reason would I or the rest of the elims have in having me suddenly say something? I would be much more useful in the background without any suspicion. I understand that that is the same reason for Xino not being an elim. This seems either like posts in fear, or a push to elimate a villager. I just want to asterisk this either in case I die, or just so this is flagged before the next round. Typically when there's an elim teammate saying things in the doc and not thread, especially a new player, their teammates typically say 'hey, go talk!' encouragingly and the like. I'd disagree elims are more useful in the background. That allows the village full control over the execution. It's far better if they're in the discussion, with their 'opinions' being valued. I simply think that it backfired this time.
BrightEyes2 she/her Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: Typically when there's an elim teammate saying things in the doc and not thread, especially a new player, their teammates typically say 'hey, go talk!' encouragingly and the like. I'd disagree elims are more useful in the background. That allows the village full control over the execution. It's far better if they're in the discussion, with their 'opinions' being valued. I simply think that it backfired this time. That makes sense, and I think I understand why I suddenly became suspicious. Thank you explaining that.
Guest Breaker Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 On a whim, Breaker. I’ll probably change it, but it feels good to lean over the cliff edge.
Elandera she/her Posted December 27, 2020 Author Posted December 27, 2020 One hour! Vote Count: Quinn0928 (1) - Straw Breaker (5) - Somebody from Sel, Matrim’s Dice, Liranil, BrightEyes2, Breaker Matrim’s Dice (1) - Dannex xinoehp512 (1) - Archer Archer (1) - StrikerEZ BrightEyes2 (1) - xinoehp512
Mat he/him Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 There we go. Far enough from a tie to go BrightEyes2. I will switch back to Breaker around rollover if this doesn't get enough support. I'm fine with either but where I stand now I'd prefer BrightEyes.
Guest Breaker Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) Alright, so, speaking seriously, it seems I’m best off targeting Brighteyes2 if I want to live, but Brighteyes is only a little sus to me. Matrim and especially Liranil were the ones I suspected, and they’re not reasonably on the ballot. I suppose I could go for Brighteyes and ask Matrim to move with me — preemptive revision: occurred while I was typing this out — but I consider that kind of a compromise, and, admittedly, I rather dislike compromises. Anyone have an idea? This feels even worse than the Ventyl vote. I will reiterate that I’m candid for the remainder of this cycle, and that I am, in fact, a powerless villager. (It’s amusing doing this here, because I have a reputation for never lying in most communities, but I’m a neophyte here. I’m still trying to figure out how to get around that tendency. My current plan is to always have an rp character for each game, so I’m not the one lying, but the character is. I do not mean to leverage that I do not lie at present; you wouldn’t believe me, so it’s pointless. I’m actually just thinking out loud, so to speak. Candid day is fun.) Edited December 27, 2020 by Breaker
BrightEyes2 she/her Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 Just to note, that brings us to a tie between myself and Breaker.
Guest Breaker Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 Wanna rock-paper-scissors for who dies?
BrightEyes2 she/her Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Breaker said: Wanna rock-paper-scissors for who dies? I wish. I through a mean paper.
Mat he/him Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 ...How evil is it for me to say I'm fine with this tie?
Guest Breaker Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 Just now, Matrim's Dice said: ...How evil is it for me to say I'm fine with this tie? Wanna be friends?
Ashbringer he/him Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 ... as much as this is completely off my plan, let's see what happens here with a tie. I won't vote in case an Elim!Cambric tries to make a three-way-tie, but I'm mainly looking at Straw, Matrim, and to some degree Quinn. BrightEyes' posts do feel off, but... not in an incredibly unusual way, I suppose. (I do find it interesting Straw's made several read posts, none of which seem to mention me.)
Guest Breaker Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 Since I'm likely to head out, and, with that last post, Ash is not likely to save me, I will say I've largely agreed with what Ash has said, recommend to trust them, and hope my trust is not replaced.
dannnex male Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 Okay wow, lotta stuff happened. Been pretty busy with Christmasy stuff. I guess Matrim’s reasoning makes some sense. Still mildly sus of him, but not enough for a vote. Matrim. Are we at a tie right now? Breaker and Brighteyes? I thought most people thought Breaker was safe? I’m confused. Didn’t we basically all agree that ties were bad?
Liranil she/her Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 Okay, I've been rereading things and I'm more sus of BrightEyes and less of Breaker. I'm not confident enough to support a tie right now. 12 hours ago, Dannex said: Are we at a tie right now? Breaker and Brighteyes? I thought most people thought Breaker was safe? I’m confused. Didn’t we basically all agree that ties were bad? We did agree ties were bad unless we were reasonably sure about both people, which is why I shifted my vote, since I'm not that sure.
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