Mid-Range Game 47: Conflict of Superiority

[|TJ| he/him]

1 minute ago, Quinn0928 said:

Wait, but you also said you thought the Cambric is elim... so you think they have one of each?

Yeah, I did but then I had forgotten about the power stealing abilities of the Spy, and after Liranil mentioned it, now I think it's possible that one of the vote manips might be from the Spy. I still do think that there's a possibility that the elims have a Cambric and a Dione. But in that case, I expect a 3 member elim team.

1 minute ago, Liranil said:

...oof. Wait, do they need to tie us or outnumber us?

Win condition this game is a bit weird. They have to outnumber us in such a way that our vote manippers will not be able to achieve parity. So basically they have to outnumber village + village vote manippers (I think?). That is assuming we do not have another Tenasi Pilot.

[Quintessential she/her]

5 minutes ago, TJ Shade said:

Win condition this game is a bit weird. They have to outnumber us in such a way that our vote manippers will not be able to achieve parity. So basically they have to outnumber village + village vote manippers (I think?). That is assuming we do not have another Tenasi Pilot.

*rubs eyes* oh right, that's this game. For some reason I thought the game with the weird elim win-con was one I read the rules for but didn't sign up for... (even though I haven't missed a single game since I started, so idk why I thought that...).

Well that's good anyway. Though it means we have no idea when exe/lose is, since we don't know how many vote-manips we have on our side (does the DS count for our side?). Then again, the elims don't know either, so I guess it evens out.

9 minutes ago, TJ Shade said:

Yeah, I did but then I had forgotten about the power stealing abilities of the Spy, and after Liranil mentioned it, now I think it's possible that one of the vote manips might be from the Spy. I still do think that there's a possibility that the elims have a Cambric and a Dione. But in that case, I expect a 3 member elim team.

I'm not really sure I understand why the Spy would vote-manip, unless they were one of the people who was in danger of dying. Hmmm actually that makes sense.

Of course, you're forgetting that they've only had two chances to scan, each scan has a... 50 or 75% chance of success, depending on whether the person is Cambric or not, and that's not including the fact that the Spy could easily have scanned only vanilla players. So I don't know how statistically likely it is that the spy actually has any abilities this soon, though I guess they could. (I don't know what my point with this is... whatever, might as well put it out there anyway)

[dannnex male]

I suppose I should place a vote, but I’m really not sure who’s the most suspicious. I haven’t been following this game as well as I’d like, mainly because of Christmas.
I’ll do my best to assemble a read list anyway.

Breaker- The only vote placed so far has been on Breaker, but I’ve been reading them as pretty solidly village this whole game. 
TJ Shade- Just joined, and Exp was inactive. Their reads make some sense, Null to Very Mild Village. 
Quinn- I tend to read Quinn as village, but I also tend to be wrong. A very confused Null. 
SfS- SfS is being rather suspicious. They got very defensive because they thought they were being considered suspicious, but then they weren’t even. SfS does tend to be defensive in general, they’re like me in that regard. Mild Elim. 
Lirani- Lirani is my strongest Elim read, although still not that strong. It’s entirely based on this post:

22 hours ago, Liranil said:

That did not go well at all. 

This reads very very much like the classic “thanking the doctor” tell, albeit a little bit different. Very suspicious. Lirani.
Ghanderflaffle- Mild Village, basically a gut read.
Striker- Mild Village, for the same ‘gut read’ reasons. 

[Guest Breaker]

Liranil.

[Liranil she/her]

1 hour ago, Dannex said:

This reads very very much like the classic “thanking the doctor” tell, albeit a little bit different. Very suspicious. Lirani.

I have no idea what that is? Could I get an explanation so I can defend myself better, or at least for future reference?

@Breaker, you still haven't answered my questions from earlier. What is your reasoning for being suspicious of me, other than the fact that I sussed you?

So it looks like I'm on the defensive right now. Fun. First time being seriously voted for! XD I'm not sure exactly how to defend myself here, but if anyone has specific questions to ask me, I'm willing to answer. At this point, I'm an open book. And a villager, but I know that doesn't mean much coming from me.

I haven't quite decided who to vote yet. BrightEyes seemed suspicious to me last round because they put us into a tie, and I switched my vote because I was beginning to be less suspicious of Breaker, but that was before all of the weird vote-switching at the end. I agree with TJ that that was highly suspicious. Breaker, any explanation on why you switched your vote last minute several times? 

My elim reads right now are Breaker (as reasoned above and some last round, and for sussing me and then waiting to vote until after Dannex did), Xino (mild, because a vote was removed off of them), Straw (for voting on Quinn when they said Snipexe was more suspicious and that same post had some weird reasoning), and Striker (they haven't been saying much but have voted, and I'm concerned their early vote on Archer last round was part of the elim plan for the tie at the end).

I'm not super confident on village reads (tbh I'm sus of everyone at least a little), but Quinn has had some really good reasoning, and Dannex seemed just as weirded out by all of the vote-switching at the end (although that could have been an act). 

Everyone else, I'm not sure. It's all kind of blurring together at this point.

I'm tempted to vote Breaker because I've been sus of them so long and for possible self-preservation, but I'm really second-guessing everything, so idk. I'm probably going to do a roles analysis for my own sanity in a bit that I'll probably post for everyone else, too.

Edited December 28, 2020 by Liranil

[Guest Breaker]

Tomorrow. Quiet today.

[Liranil she/her]

4 minutes ago, Breaker said:

Tomorrow. Quiet today.

lollll, what will you be tomorrow?

[Guest Breaker]

Ran out of plans. Only planned five days. Was thinking arrogant. A friend suggested errorgant, but actual sabotage isn’t the plan. 
 

I will listen to suggestions.

Edited December 28, 2020 by Breaker

[|TJ| he/him]

3 hours ago, Dannex said:

Breaker- The only vote placed so far has been on Breaker, but I’ve been reading them as pretty solidly village this whole game. 

Why, what have they done to warrant a village read? Don't you find their vote hopping weird?

2 hours ago, Liranil said:

I'm tempted to vote Breaker because I've been sus of them so long and for possible self-preservation, but I'm really second-guessing everything, so idk. I'm probably going to do a roles analysis for my own sanity in a bit that I'll probably post for everyone else, too.

The only way to drive discussion is by voting and applying pressure on the person you suspect. Not quite feeling good about this hesitancy to vote to be honest. I feel like you're bussing each other.

We have only 3 votes 24+ hrs into the cycle. @Straw, @StrikerEZ, @xinoehp512 thoughts on how the previous cycle turned out and this cycle so far?

[Quintessential she/her]

I'll vote Breaker. His vote-hopping is really strange, and at this point he's my strongest elim read on top of that. I didn't vote in my previous post because I wanted to see how things played out and how other people responded, but so far there hasn't been much, and Breaker hasn't said anything to convince me he's vil, so now I'm voting.

[Liranil she/her]

8 hours ago, TJ Shade said:

The only way to drive discussion is by voting and applying pressure on the person you suspect. Not quite feeling good about this hesitancy to vote to be honest. I feel like you're bussing each other.

My main reason for not voting yet was because there was already pressure on Breaker from other votes, and I want to hear what they have to say about my questions (plus I've been doing most of my posts this round on my phone and I haven't figured out how to change text color on mobile yet). Also, what is bussing? 

[Quintessential she/her]

1 minute ago, Liranil said:

My main reason for not voting yet was because there was already pressure on Breaker from other votes, and I want to hear what they have to say about my questions (plus I've been doing most of my posts this round on my phone and I haven't figured out how to change text color on mobile yet). Also, what is bussing? 

That's when an elim accuses another elim and convinces everyone else to vote them off in order to gain village cred.

[Straw he/him]

Okay I'm pretty uncertain with Breaker since my gut says he's village but he really hasn't been doing anything that villagery. I haven't seen him post any reads and all the vote hopping last cycle was very odd. I would be okay with an exe on him.

I'm going to have to read through the end of last cycle a lot since there was quite a bit happening.

2 minutes ago, Liranil said:

My main reason for not voting yet was because there was already pressure on Breaker from other votes, and I want to hear what they have to say about my questions (plus I've been doing most of my posts this round on my phone and I haven't figured out how to change text color on mobile yet). Also, what is bussing? 

Bussing is voting on another elim.

[Ghanderflaffle she/her]

Sorry I haven’t been on a ton, I’ve missed a page or two last cycle, so hopefully I’m not missing anything vital.

Aaanyways, Breaker seems the most sus to me. I’ve played some Town of Salem and oftentimes a person who knows they are in danger switch their suspicious around a lot during the voting period. These people are often elims. We could also chalk it up to being new, but I think there's more to it than that. So for that reason, I’m going to vote Breaker

[Elandera she/her]

Get your votes and actions in soon! This turn ends in 11 hours.

Also, turnover may be a little delayed since I'll be at work and the nature of my job is unpredictable. 

[xinoehp512 he/him]

Man, I am really not feeling up to this today :P. Oh well...

Breaker, although I'm afraid I don't have anything to add. With that in mind, I'm highly suspicious of Danex and feel pretty good about Liranil. 

[StrikerEZ he/him]

Okay, so I've only been slightly paying attention to this game (was visiting my girlfriend's family this weekend for Christmas), but I'm going to attempt to solve this game right now because I'm pretty sure we lose this round if we don't hit an elim. 

I think our elim team is SfS, Liranil, Breaker, and Dannex. I think our Spy is one of Straw, Quinn, or Ghanderflaffle. The players I trust the most are TJ, Snip, and xino. I'm going to vote for Breaker because he's been giving me the strangest vibes all game, and he's the one I suspect the most. I feel like Liranil's vote on Breaker is probably an attempt at distancing, but I'm willing to revise my opinion on that if Breaker flips village (if we even last that long).

In addition, I believe that I know who one of the Heklos is. I won't announce them to the thread, but I believe them to be trustworthy.

[Guest Somebody from Scadrial]

42 minutes ago, xinoehp512 said:

Man, I am really not feeling up to this today :P. Oh well...

Breaker, although I'm afraid I don't have anything to add. With that in mind, I'm highly suspicious of Danex and feel pretty good about Liranil. 

I'll join you on the Breaker vote, mostly for the vote switching, and the last minute switch off by people, I think at least one of the late voters and early switch-offs is an Elim.

[|TJ| he/him]

23 minutes ago, Somebody from Sel said:

I'll join you on the Breaker vote, mostly for the vote switching, and the last minute switch off by people, I think at least one of the late voters and early switch-offs is an Elim.

You have, in fact, not joined in the voting.

[Guest Somebody from Scadrial]

Just now, TJ Shade said:

You have, in fact, not joined in the voting.

Oops, Breaker

[Liranil she/her]

Thank you Quinn and Straw for the bussing definition! I mean, I don't know if I can convince anyone otherwise on that, but I've been sussing Breaker since the very first round (you can check the main thread, page 8) and I feel like if an elim was bussing, they wouldn't start throwing out suspicion on their elim partner that early. I haven't played enough games to know if that's true. 

Either way, the elims are probably not going to kill me this round, since there are several people who are suspicious of me. 

Okay, so that makes 6 votes on Breaker and 2 on me, I believe. Since there's 11 of us left, if we assume that there are 4 elims, that means 6 village votes, 1 spy, and 4 elims. I know I'm a villager, which means that at least one person who's voted on Breaker is an elim or the spy. That makes me really nervous, but the only other option right now is me, so I'm not sure. If Breaker does flip elim, it seems like more people will be suspicious of me being a partner. For now though, I'm placing a vote on Breaker, because my guess is that they are an elim and someone is bussing... just not me. 

I'm not sure about anybody else, mostly the same as my earlier post, although I'm slightly more sus of Dannex.

48 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

Okay, so I've only been slightly paying attention to this game (was visiting my girlfriend's family this weekend for Christmas), but I'm going to attempt to solve this game right now because I'm pretty sure we lose this round if we don't hit an elim. 

I think our elim team is SfS, Liranil, Breaker, and Dannex. I think our Spy is one of Straw, Quinn, or Ghanderflaffle. The players I trust the most are TJ, Snip, and xino. I'm going to vote for Breaker because he's been giving me the strangest vibes all game, and he's the one I suspect the most. I feel like Liranil's vote on Breaker is probably an attempt at distancing, but I'm willing to revise my opinion on that if Breaker flips village (if we even last that long).

In addition, I believe that I know who one of the Heklos is. I won't announce them to the thread, but I believe them to be trustworthy.

This post does make me a little sus, mostly because there are theories but no reasoning. Care to share your reasoning behind all of this, Striker? I'm especially curious about why you chose those specific possible spies.

[StrikerEZ he/him]

15 hours ago, Liranil said:

I have no idea what that is? Could I get an explanation so I can defend myself better, or at least for future reference?

@Breaker, you still haven't answered my questions from earlier. What is your reasoning for being suspicious of me, other than the fact that I sussed you?

So it looks like I'm on the defensive right now. Fun. First time being seriously voted for! XD I'm not sure exactly how to defend myself here, but if anyone has specific questions to ask me, I'm willing to answer. At this point, I'm an open book. And a villager, but I know that doesn't mean much coming from me.

I haven't quite decided who to vote yet. BrightEyes seemed suspicious to me last round because they put us into a tie, and I switched my vote because I was beginning to be less suspicious of Breaker, but that was before all of the weird vote-switching at the end. I agree with TJ that that was highly suspicious. Breaker, any explanation on why you switched your vote last minute several times? 

My elim reads right now are Breaker (as reasoned above and some last round, and for sussing me and then waiting to vote until after Dannex did), Xino (mild, because a vote was removed off of them), Straw (for voting on Quinn when they said Snipexe was more suspicious and that same post had some weird reasoning), and Striker (they haven't been saying much but have voted, and I'm concerned their early vote on Archer last round was part of the elim plan for the tie at the end).

I'm not super confident on village reads (tbh I'm sus of everyone at least a little), but Quinn has had some really good reasoning, and Dannex seemed just as weirded out by all of the vote-switching at the end (although that could have been an act). 

Everyone else, I'm not sure. It's all kind of blurring together at this point.

I'm tempted to vote Breaker because I've been sus of them so long and for possible self-preservation, but I'm really second-guessing everything, so idk. I'm probably going to do a roles analysis for my own sanity in a bit that I'll probably post for everyone else, too.

This was the post that made me suspicious of you, specifically the first couple of paragraphs and the last one. It just seems like you feel like you're under a lot of pressure all of a sudden and had to work to come up with something to defend yourself while also getting some village cred by suspecting Breaker. Plus, the fact that you weren't sure of everyone else is a solid elim tactic to not have to work as hard to come up with opinions on every single player, which is hard when you already know everyone's alignments.

As for my other elim suspicions, I've been sus of SfS since the start of the game, but I can't quite say why, besides that I feel pretty confident in my gut there. Breaker has been weird all game, and I don't like how it seems that they're giving up because they didn't get killed early on. And Dannex is just a hunch and another gut feeling.

I think one Straw or Ghanderflaffle could be the Spy because they've been on the down low, while staying active enough to be helpful. And I think it could be Quinn (who I suspect the most of being the Spy) because they're being a little bit more active, but still mostly riding the wave of the overall village conversation.

And I trust the others because I believe one of them to be a Heklo and because they have seemed the most honest of all the players.

[Guest Somebody from Scadrial]

13 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

I've been sus of SfS since the start of the game,

...I've only been here for a round, my phone broke, remember?

[StrikerEZ he/him]

11 minutes ago, Somebody from Sel said:

...I've only been here for a round, my phone broke, remember?

Well, I've been sus of you since you showed up. I didn't remember when your first post was.

[Guest Breaker]

I shall, it appears, have to respect the will of the people. If you want me gone, so be it. I doubt I can cheat death twice, and I’ve forgotten to check the thread today, still a bit lost after what I’ve taken to calling Bloody Saturday. Perhaps I’ll vote if someone else makes enough enemies to find striking distance of me. I’d find it unbecoming to waste your time. It is the wiser man who directs his efforts where they are useful. I shall maintain my innocence until the end, but I shan’t be vindicated; not because I am not innocent, because I am, in fact, an innocent villager, but, rather, because we are quite close to the cliff-edge, and the game likely will end the night after with a decisive, villainous victory. Mind those who’ve voted for me this round and not in others, perhaps, if you have the chance.
 

The eliminators have needed to do little but watch us tear one another apart for talking at all. Not a good first showing for me as a villager. But I do hope it was entertaining. 

May the Cytonics be with you. 
 

-Breaker