Amanuensis he/him Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Yitzi2 said: (Also, mention was made of my less-than-usual posting, so I thought I'd mention that the first few hours were while I was unable to get on.) Is there a reason this reasoning bothers you? Reasoning wasn't a factor honestly I just saw Randuir's name in red and instaposted. Now that I've read the reasoning, though, yes, it does bother me. You're essentially voting him for alienating neutrals / potentially being neutral himself. Their contradictory points and neither has anything to do with his alignment. EDIT: Well, neither has to do with him being evil, is what I meant to say Edited June 25, 2017 by Amanuensis
Yitzi2 Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: Reasoning wasn't a factor honestly I just saw Randuir's name in red and instaposted. Now that I've read the reasoning, though, yes, it does bother me. You're essentially voting him for alienating neutrals / potentially being neutral himself. Their contradictory points and neither has anything to do with his alignment. It's two possibilities: Either he is alienating neutrals (pointed out by others to be a potential elim act), or is a particular neutral who has an incentive to help the elims late-game and is therefore nearly as much of a threat as the actual elims are. Edited June 25, 2017 by Yitzi2
TheMightyLopen he/him Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 I've gotta go to church for now, but when I get back, I'll place my vote somewhere(probably Yitzi or Stick, unless another lynch pops up that I agree with somewhat).
Amanuensis he/him Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 Just now, Yitzi2 said: It's two possibilities: Either he is alienating neutrals (pointed out by others to be a potential elim act), or is a particular neutral who has an incentive to help the elims late-game and is therefore nearly as much of a threat as the elims are. I mean, not really? All he has to do is get online, see how the neutrals responded, empathize with them and apologize. Like, I don't think any player on this forum is stubborn enough to hold a grudge about something petty like that. He made a mistake. Okay. That mistake also happens to be one that I can only see a villager making.
Araris Valerian he/him Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 Well, I still hold with my vote on Straw, and I object to Brightness Radiant's comment that I was just joining a bandwagon. In an AG, Claincy started a bunch of group PMs like this, and he was an elim. I don't recall any village benefit coming out of them. I caused the lynch discussion to actually become meaningful, since somebody was up to die after my vote. I don't really agree with the reasoning behind the other votes on Straw though. Rae and Elenion both seemed to want to keep Joe alive, and both voted on Straw, as if there was no other viable target.
Arraenae Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 19 hours ago, Drake Marshall said: "Hi, I'm Julie Aurette, from New Seran. I was originally here to petition the governor to lower the tariffs on imports from New Seran, but then I found out about this and, well, couldn't resist joining. What's your name?" Lukas moved to one side of the table, grateful for the help. "Hello, Julie," he spoke with a faint northern accent. "My name is Lukas, Lukas Fehrweight. And by the Survivor, that's quite the coincidence! You might be able to notice I'm not from around here either. I came here to negotiate a trade agreement for a company based in Urteau... The sort of agreement that bypass the tariffs, if you see what I'm getting at..." at this Lukas had the decency to look slightly sheepish. "But that all went south some time ago, and I've cast my lot with the cause." @Arraenae "Tariffs are horrible," Julie said. "My family does fashion, and every time we import cloth, we get taxed, and every time we ship things out to the other cities, we get taxed. It's tyranny, I tell you! My econ professor at UNS -- he's amazing, by the way -- calls it 'taxation without representation,' says it's meant to keep the outer cities down." She stopped to take a breath and set the table down. Then, she picked it back up again and continued dragging it over. "Let's toss on the count of three," Julie said. "One... two... three!" The table landed somewhere towards the bottom of the barricade. Julie glanced towards the sky. "Do you think they'll feed us?" she asked. "Normally, I eat lunch around this time, and I'm getting a little hungry. They won't let us starve, right?" Wow I got ninjaed by Jondesu. And a whole bunch of other people. Whoops. But as of now, I'm writing RP and can't reload or respond quickly because otherwise I might lose what I've written... >.< Jondesu. @Yitzi2, which Neutrals do you think Rand could be, then?
Yitzi2 Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: I mean, not really? All he has to do is get online, see how the neutrals responded, empathize with them and apologize. Like, I don't think any player on this forum is stubborn enough to hold a grudge about something petty like that. He made a mistake. Okay. That mistake also happens to be one that I can only see a villager making. You don't think an elim might try to alienate the neutrals to the village? Ok...you've got a better idea of such things than me, That said, if we did know him to be the PO, would it be better to lynch him now, or continue hunting for the actual elims? EDIT due to ninja: Just now, Arraenae said: @Yitzi2, which Neutrals do you think Rand could be, then? Parole Officer. If he's not the Parole Officer, he's probably not Neutral. Edited June 25, 2017 by Yitzi2
Steeldancer he/him Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 HELLOOO WORLD yes I'm alive#! I've been watching the thread, just not sure what to say. And I've been busy rereading the entire mistborn series today! Yay! Oh and I have youth conference the next two days so I'll probably not even be stalking Anyway, there seems to be a lot of voting. But why hop on a bandwagon when you can make your own train? CHOO CHOO! Ok enough of that. In all seriousness, I'm voting straw . I'm also really confused by the many different playing strategies. But I guess playing longer creates a lot of new strategies. Straw with PMs, and Stink with PMs. I don't trust them PMs. And 118 PMs? I'm so sorry for you, GMs. And I got ninjad by a lot of people here.
Orlok Tsubodai Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 @Amanuensis, would you explain why you don't see it as advantageous for an eliminator to seek to create a rift between neutral players and the village?
Straw he/him Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 Flash, would you care to explain more of your reasoning for voting on me?
Amanuensis he/him Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said: I've gotta go to church for now, but when I get back, I'll place my vote somewhere(probably Yitzi or Stick, unless another lynch pops up that I agree with somewhat). I'm leaning town for Stick but I'll reread her posts at some point. Wouldn't mind voting Yitzi. 3 minutes ago, Yitzi2 said: You don't think an elim might try to alienate the neutrals to the village? Ok...you've got a better idea of such things than me, That said, if we did know him to be the PO, would it be better to lynch him now, or continue hunting for the actual elims? I don't think so. I'm pretty sure elim!Rand would have deliberated on the repercussions of said action more, and eventually decided against it. I might be giving him too much credit, but that's my read and I'm sticking to it. 1 minute ago, The Flash said: HELLOOO WORLD yes I'm alive#! I've been watching the thread, just not sure what to say. And I've been busy rereading the entire mistborn series today! Yay! Oh and I have youth conference the next two days so I'll probably not even be stalking Anyway, there seems to be a lot of voting. But why hop on a bandwagon when you can make your own train? CHOO CHOO! Ok enough of that. In all seriousness, I'm voting straw . I'm also really confused by the many different playing strategies. But I guess playing longer creates a lot of new strategies. Straw with PMs, and Stink with PMs. I don't trust them PMs. And 118 PMs? I'm so sorry for you, GMs. And I got ninjad by a lot of people here. Hello Flash. Welcome to the list of people I would probably lynch 1 minute ago, OrlokTsubodai said: @Amanuensis, would you explain why you don't see it as advantageous for an eliminator to seek to create a rift between neutral players and the village? See response to Yitzi above. It has nothing to do with the want. It has to do with the execution.
Arraenae Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 Aman, I don't see why only a villager would make that mistake. I remember in LG26, I was an elim-neutral. I suggested something that I knew would aggravate Wilson. I deliberately did it to try to get her angry at the village and less likely to work with them. Can you please explain what you mean by the execution?
Yitzi2 Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 Just now, Amanuensis said: I'm leaning town for Stick but I'll reread her posts at some point. Wouldn't mind voting Yitzi. I don't think so. I'm pretty sure elim!Rand would have deliberated on the repercussions of said action more, and eventually decided against it. I might be giving him too much credit, but that's my read and I'm sticking to it. Hello Flash. Welcome to the list of people I would probably lynch See response to Yitzi above. It has nothing to do with the want. It has to do with the execution. I will admit that I don't know how Rand usually does things. I'd still like the answer to the other question: Do you feel it's better to lynch a neutral with an incentive to help the elims eventually, or a slightly suspicious non-neutral?
Amanuensis he/him Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Arraenae said: Aman, I don't see why only a villager would make that mistake. I remember in LG26, I was an elim-neutral. I suggested something that I knew would aggravate Wilson. I deliberately did it to try to get her angry at the village and less likely to work with them. Can you please explain what you mean by the execution? Yes but what you're referring to is attacking her in a way that would make her think it was the village targeting her, right? By execution I mean the fact that Randuir publicly made himself an enemy. Just now, Yitzi2 said: I will admit that I don't know how Rand usually does things. I'd still like the answer to the other question: Do you feel it's better to lynch a neutral with an incentive to help the elims eventually, or a slightly suspicious non-neutral? Oh sorry completely missed that. I would rather not lynch any neutrals, as it doesn't really get me any closer to winning.
Steeldancer he/him Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Straw said: Flash, would you care to explain more of your reasoning for voting on me? A. I have no idea what is going on. It's day 1! Does anybody know what is going on? I'm kind of hoping that following better minds than mine will work until we get more info. The only thing we know for sure (sort of) is that Joe might be Valjean. I don't feel like lynching neutrals. I would rather encourage them to help us. Lynching YOU, will (maybe?)give us information of non-neutral roles.
Yitzi2 Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Amanuensis said: Yes but what you're referring to is attacking her in a way that would make her think it was the village targeting her, right? By execution I mean the fact that Randuir publicly made himself an enemy. Oh sorry completely missed that. I would rather not lynch any neutrals, as it doesn't really get me any closer to winning. Ok. I think your point about execution probably holds merit, and while I'm not sure I agree with you about strategy, that's not enough if he might very well just be a villager who got a bit over-enthusiastic. Randuir.
Straw he/him Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 *sigh* Flash, because you want neutrals to help the village, I would recommend voting on Randuir, who is being voted on because he was being aggressive toward neutrals. Also, if more than slightly annoyed that you hopped on the first bandwagon you saw instead of asking someone for a brief rundown of what's happened.
Amanuensis he/him Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Yitzi2 said: Ok. I think your point about execution probably holds merit, and while I'm not sure I agree with you about strategy, that's not enough if he might very well just be a villager who got a bit over-enthusiastic. Randuir. If a neutral eventually gives me solid reason to believe he's committed to helping the elims, I would consider killing them, but 9 times out of 10 it's just better to lynch the elims instead since doing that is how we win. Edited June 25, 2017 by Amanuensis
Yitzi2 Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 Just now, Amanuensis said: If a neutral eventually gives me solid reason to believe he's committed to helping the elims, I would consider killing them, but 9 times out of 10 it's just better to lynch the elims instead since doing that's how we win. Whereas I see "an analysis suggests it's in the neutral's best interests at the point that would be most critical" to be enough reason even though it's not given by said neutral.
Arraenae Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 Uh.... @Amanuensis, I still don't really get your point about execution. Neutrals don't have the ability to kill Rand, all they know is that someone that might be a villager wants them dead. I don't see how that places a target on his head or is a dangerous move.
Amanuensis he/him Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 Just now, Arraenae said: Uh.... @Amanuensis, I still don't really get your point about execution. Neutrals don't have the ability to kill Rand, all they know is that someone that might be a villager wants them dead. I don't see how that places a target on his head or is a dangerous move. There's what, six of them? I would say having six votes on their side is pretty much a kill role.
Steeldancer he/him Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Straw said: *sigh* Flash, because you want neutrals to help the village, I would recommend voting on Randuir, who is being voted on because he was being aggressive toward neutrals. Also, if more than slightly annoyed that you hopped on the first bandwagon you saw instead of asking someone for a brief rundown of what's happened. Well sorry. I hadn't yet read in close detail the thread. I just saw that part of that bandwagon was unfounded, so I'm sorry. straw . And now... I'll vote on STINK. I get the whole fun thing, but all those PMs could be a smokescreen of fun to deflect suspicion. Also ninjad four times.
Amanuensis he/him Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) Edited June 25, 2017 by Amanuensis
Stick. she/her Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 1 minute ago, The Flash said: Well sorry. I hadn't yet read in close detail the thread. I just saw that part of that bandwagon was unfounded, so I'm sorry. straw . And now... I'll vote on STINK. I get the whole fun thing, but all those PMs could be a smokescreen of fun to deflect suspicion. Also ninjad four times. Stink claims neutral, which kinda puts him in the same position as Joe.
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