Long Game 35: L35 Miserables

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

 

Stole this list from the OP lol 

1. Jay (The Flash) - barely active (no read)
2. Name Name (Straw) - trying to get Stink lynched so hard...not sure if it's just retaliation or nefarious reasons (reading kinda neutral)
3. Albin Brodeur (Jondesu) - managing to fly in my blind spot. Hasn't contributed to the analysis this cycle even when prodded. Says he thinks we should take out Joe. (Reading either slightly elim or parole officer)
4. Siv (Cloudjumper) - completely inactive (couldn't find any posts from him)
5. Luigi (Shqueeves) - inactive, but clarified he was gonna be gone for a week
6. Edmond Dantès (asterion137) - says that Straw's excessive PMs seems slightly suspicious, but not enough to vote on him.  Has been online but not posting much. Seems like a newer player just trying to observe and get involved when they can. (reading somewhere between neutral and village)
7. Carcer (Paranoid King) - went inactive after trying to get another player to be active lol (reading neutral/elim)
8. Dariend Castel (StrikerEZ) - has been fairly inactive in the thread since his first post, but it was a pretty lengthy post giving tips to the different roles. He's been more active in PMs. (Leaning village for now)
9. Roger Elariel (Elenion) - I think he's been completely inactive in thread (apologies if I missed any posts you might have made) but he has been in PMs a bit. (Leaning slightly elim for lurking the thread)
10. Alonine (BrightnessRadiant) - umm..villager wanting to help the neutrals, but not trust them too much cuz that's how they role (get it?) 
11. Alrin (Arinian) - slightly active. Says Straw and Stink seem to be acting normal for them. Says he thinks Rand is the Parole Officer for being bloodthirsty against Joe (his words not mine lol). Later says straw looks like the PO. Has yet to vote. (Leaning slightly elim because he hasn't seemed like he's trying to get very involved)
12. Aimes (Araris Valerian) - showed up once to vote on straw for his excessive PMing (leaning elim since he basically just joined the bandwagon)
13. Bartolomeus Teki (randuir) -( @randuir reading back through your posts and I'm wondering why you think the thug should ever just let themselves be killed? They could be one of the hardest villagers for the elims to take down.)  You also gave this advice to the parole officer: 

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    Parole officer: It would be in the villages interest if you could refrain from taking down the convict until after he's used up his one-shot protection. Thanks in advance  .

    Any reason why you don't think so now other then the fact he claimed to be interested in helping both sides?? (Which I now realize is to be expected from a neutral role) I just clicked on your link for the thief and literally laughed out loud. This also stood out to me: 

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    Btw, for the D1 lynch, I think we should be trying to be more critical of who to lynch than we generally tend to be for D1. The reason being that I expect the parole officer to use the D1 lynch to get the escaped convict without having to make a very strong case for why we should lynch that person. Depending on who the convict is, this might not be a possible tactic (good luck trying to get Wilson or Lopen lynched D1 without a very solid case, for example), but I do think we need to be aware that there is a player out there who has an interest in getting us to mislynch a particular person.

    But now you're the one trying to lynch the "claimed" convict. (Um..huh?) And then again in a different post: 

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    Because it's not actually a guarantee that they won't be attacked if they claim. For example, if the thief where to role-claim right now, I'd seriously consider putting him/her forward as the D1 lynch, just so that the risk he poses to the village metal reserves is elliminated. The same goes for the parole officer, as his goal is directly detrimental to the village (cause a mis-lynch).

    Emphasis my own. Still talking about how we shouldn't mis-lynch the person you now want to lynch. As soon as you found out that a neutral was just that...being a neutral, you wanted him dead and haven't really even tried to offer up someone else as an elim suspect other than PK who has only posted once. (All in all I think you're either an elim or the parole officer.)

14. Darius Castel (Ecthelion III) - inactive
15. Keera Wilde (little Wilson) - has posted some game advice and been slightly active. Strong advocate for the neutrals just being neutrals, and us not getting twisted about it (leaning village or slightly neutral)
16. Siena Mattel (Seonid) - only gets on twice to tell us that Joe and stink are acting normal for them. @Seonid why so lurky? lol (no read, except I'm still mad that you stole my spot as the 200th post in the thread haha)
17. Lukas Fehrweight (Drake Marshall) - doesn't seem very friendly towards the neutrals lol. First post says he has a bad "paranoia" of Joe (perhaps he be the PO lol). He said this earlier in the cycle: 

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    And we don't really want to waste a lynch on either the parole officer or the escaped convict.

    So why vote for him now?. I'm getting really tired of analysis and my eyes are fried so I'll try to sum up for the rest lol. (Reading slightly PO or elim)

18. Altea Meza (Crimsn-Wolf) - posted just once, I think, but considering last time she was an elim she didn't hardly post because she said she couldn't figure out what to say as an elim (I'm leaning slightly village for her rn)
19. Jack (A Joe in the Bush) - probably neutral (possibly the convict) Don't think we should waste our lynch on him. I think we should still work with the neutrals.
20. Dandi (_Stick_) - pretty active. Says she might vote on straw.Says she was waiting to vote until Joe commented about the accusations made against him. Hasn't posted again, yet. (reading slightly neutral or elim but partly just a gut read)
21. Kliff (TheMightyLopen) - slightly inactive (I know he's been sick lately irl) thinks straw is village. And maybe stink too. Mildly suspicious of stick. (not much of a read because his usual play style is cramped by his cold irl)
22. Garshin (Yitzi2) - hasn't posted as much as I thought he had lol. Seems sorta neutral in most of his posts. (And i don't mean he's a neutral role, although he could be, but that he's staying neutral with his opinions. (reading neutral or slightly elim for not getting to involved in the controversies) 
23. Rorik (Dalinar Kholin) - posted once to say he was lurking..I mean watching lol. Says the neutrals shouldn't role claim because it helps protect who the villagers are from the elims. (reading slightly village cuz that's a good point)
24. Mykal (Amanuensis) - (inactive until now, probably reading the year-long thread right now lol)
25. Phil (STINK) - active in thread and pms. Wants us to lynch Straw for his tons of PMs. Says he's probably trying to eavesdrop on everyone (reading neutral or village rn)
26. Julie (Arraenae) - pretty active. Says we shouldn't lynch Joe just because he's neutral. Suspicious of straw. (reading kinda neutral)
27. Locke Tekiel (OrlokTsubodai) - gives a little analysis of players. Says he's slightly suspicious of Rand at the beginning of the game. Tries to figure how many elims there are. Not very active, but keeping up. (leaning village)
28. Suterna (Elbereth) - only one post (busy irl) gives some good tips for the game. Also stated early suspicion of Rand. (Not much of a read from her one post)               There ya go...phew that was exhausting.  I'm still the most suspicious of Randuir so I'll leave my vote there.

Edited June 26, 2017 by BrightnessRadiant
Mistaken role name

[Straw he/him]

BR, I'm voting for STINK because he's kinda annoying me. I'm actually gonna switch my vote from STINK to someone else.

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

2 minutes ago, Straw said:

BR, I'm voting for STINK because he's kinda annoying me. I'm actually gonna switch my vote from STINK to someone else.

Mkay that was a quick flip decision.. why the change of heart?

Edit: @Amanuensis you want to lynch me? 

Edited June 25, 2017 by BrightnessRadiant

[Amanuensis he/him]

7 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said:

Why is that? I don't have a strong opinion either way, tbh. If I had to say one way or the other, I'd be against his lynch, because he can be really helpful later on. Ninja'd by Rae asking the same question, but eh, I'll leave it.  Gosh dang, I need to post faster. Ninja'd by Aman now too. Do you mean you'd lynch Brightness too? I kind of feel like she wouldn't vote on randuir if she was an eliminator(voting on a player like Rand D1 is risky). Although other than that, I haven't seen anything that makes me lean either way for her.

Vote tally:

Straw(4): Stink, Araris, Rae, Elenion
Randuir(2): Brightness, Joe
Joe(2): Randuir, Drake
Stink(1): Straw

For as many posts as there are, I don't feel like we have a lot to go off of. :/ I agree with Wilson about Yitzi a bit, and I mentioned I'm a little suspicious of Stick. But I'm not very confident in either of those reads.

Main reason Brightness is on that list is because she voted for Rand, actually. I suppose trying to lynch town!Rand D1 could be considered risky, but I'm not sure if that's the sort of thing Brightness would think about, and given how he's made an enemy of the neutrals already (see Joe and Orlok's votes), it's basically a ripe mislynch waiting to happen and I'd be surprised if eliminators didn't take advantage of it.

EDIT: @BrightnessRadiant probably not today but I am suspicious of you, yes

Edited June 25, 2017 by Amanuensis

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

4 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Main reason Brightness is on that list is because she voted for Rand, actually. I suppose trying to lynch town!Rand D1 could be considered risky, but I'm not sure if that's the sort of thing Brightness would think about, and given how he's made an enemy of the neutrals already (see Joe and Orlok's votes), it's basically a ripe mislynch waiting to happen and I'd be surprised if eliminators didn't take advantage of it.

EDIT: @BrightnessRadiant probably not today but I am suspicious of you, yes

Well I was already considering voting on Rand as I said before lol.

I wouldn't be that obvious  hehe

 *sniff *sniff

Edited June 25, 2017 by BrightnessRadiant

[Straw he/him]

BR, the "flip decision" was because I saw that the STINK vote wasn't going anywhere, so I might as well put my vote somewhere useful. Also, you missed that @Elenion jumped in, voted on me without explaining, and left suddenly. Also, @Araris Valerian could you please make more lengthy post with your explanation and thoughts on events?

[Orlok Tsubodai]

Straw: Stink, Straw, Araris, Rae, Elenion (4)

Drake: Stink (0)

Stink: Straw, Straw (0)

Joe: Randuir, Straw, Drake (2)

Randuir: Brightness, Joe, Orlok (3)

Edited June 25, 2017 by OrlokTsubodai

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

Just now, Straw said:

BR, the "flip decision" was because I saw that the STINK vote wasn't going anywhere, so I might as well put my vote somewhere useful. Also, you missed that @Elenion jumped in, voted on me without explaining, and left suddenly. Also, @Araris Valerian could you please make more lengthy post with your explanation and thoughts on events?

Hmm ok makes sense 

Okay I thought he might've posted at least once but couldn't find it lol

[Straw he/him]

Wait, Orlok, I voted on myself and STINK took his vote off me?

[Amanuensis he/him]

Just now, BrightnessRadiant said:

Well I was already considering voting on Rand as I said before lol. I wouldn't be that obvious  hehe

 *sniff *sniff

Yeah I'll check your progression on him eventually, you're only in the "could be evil" zone because you're voting for someone I think is town. That being said, don't be discouraged. I'm as fallible a human as any, and I'm also willing to reevaluate things as new information comes to light.

3 minutes ago, Straw said:

BR, the "flip decision" was because I saw that the STINK vote wasn't going anywhere, so I might as well put my vote somewhere useful. Also, you missed that @Elenion jumped in, voted on me without explaining, and left suddenly. Also, @Araris Valerian could you please make more lengthy post with your explanation and thoughts on events?

My gut is saying vote for one of them but my head is asking "would an elim be so blatant"

[Stick. she/her]

14 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Also people who are saying they'd vote for Straw but haven't (Wilson and Stick come to mind).

My suspicion on Straw was based off the PM thing, the weird group PMs, mostly. Rand then clarified that it was PK who made the prime numbers and the fibonacci ones. Guess that lessened my suspicions a bit. A bit. Actually, I'm still wondering what the purpose of those PMs was @Paranoid King?

I'm legitimately not sure who to vote on

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

(I somehow missed Orlok's vote in my vote tally, so I'm gonna go fix that real quick so it will be accurate for the time )

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

@Amanuensis ha ha it's fine  I'm just sad when people suspect me when I'm a villager and trying so hard (but that goes for when I'm evil too so yep lol) 

[Orlok Tsubodai]

2 minutes ago, Straw said:

Wait, Orlok, I voted on myself and STINK took his vote off me?

Apologies - a typo. It should read Stink. I lost the count 90% of the way through, and had to do it again.

Straw: Stink, Stink, Araris, Rae, Elenion (4)

Drake: Stink (0)

Stink: Straw, Straw (0)

Joe: Randuir, Straw, Drake (2)

Randuir: Brightness, Joe, Orlok (3)

 

[Amanuensis he/him]

Elenion leaving my vote here for now, just so that it's not out of the blue. Got something I need to do for work and then I'll review the posts of those I'm not townreading already.

Edited June 25, 2017 by Amanuensis

[Jondesu he/him]

@BrightnessRadiant, I didn't provide any analysis this game yet because I've got a ton of stuff on my plate. I said from the beginning that I wouldn't be able to spend a lot of time on the game, and nothing about that has changed.

I also said I wanted  to wait to hear from Joe, rather than that I wanted to lynch him specifically.  That's why you'll notice I didn't actually vote on him.  I still might mean that way under the right circumstances, but Wilson's response and others has convinced me that he probably is just being Joe, rather than really trying to hurt the village. 

[Arraenae]

I'm retracting from Straw for now because votes feel kind of stagnant now. Jondesu, now that there are a lot more posts, mind giving us your thoughts? Your previous posts seemed like a lot of filler.

[Straw he/him]

I think I'll vote on Randuir both because he's alienating the neutrals and so I don't die from the lynch.

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

6 minutes ago, Jondesu said:

@BrightnessRadiant, I didn't provide any analysis this game yet because I've got a ton of stuff on my plate. I said from the beginning that I wouldn't be able to spend a lot of time on the game, and nothing about that has changed.

I also said I wanted  to wait to hear from Joe, rather than that I wanted to lynch him specifically.  That's why you'll notice I didn't actually vote on him.  I still might mean that way under the right circumstances, but Wilson's response and others has convinced me that he probably is just being Joe, rather than really trying to hurt the village. 

Hmm ok, I didn't remember you said that you were busy...but I saw that you said you'd wait to give analysis after the first cycle and lynch. I don't like it when people do that very much so that's why I was leaning elim for you, plus I thought you wanted Joe gone and that makes me suspicious rn. Thanks for responding! 

Edited June 25, 2017 by BrightnessRadiant

[Amanuensis he/him]

2 minutes ago, Straw said:

I think I'll vote on Randuir both because he's alienating the neutrals and so I don't die from the lynch.

18 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

My suspicion on Straw was based off the PM thing, the weird group PMs, mostly. Rand then clarified that it was PK who made the prime numbers and the fibonacci ones. Guess that lessened my suspicions a bit. A bit. Actually, I'm still wondering what the purpose of those PMs was @Paranoid King?

I'm legitimately not sure who to vote on

For the record I'm townreading you. I also like to see how much spectating the Championships has affected your play. It's nice

Edited June 25, 2017 by Amanuensis
Keep forgetting not to double post

[Yitzi2]

It seems to me that Randuir is most likely the Parole Officer.  Now, that's not an elim role, but unlike the other neutral roles he has a particular reason to help the elims in one case, namely in the case of supporting a hammer to kill the Convict (which would likely be at a point where the wasted lynch costs the village the game).  While I don't think Straw's playing style is the best for the village, I don't think he's the same sort of threat.  (And if Randuir is not the Parole Officer, then he's certainly alienating the neutrals.)  Randuir.

[Straw he/him]

If another, more viable target comes up, I'll vote on them instead.

[Amanuensis he/him]

1 minute ago, Yitzi2 said:

It seems to me that Randuir is most likely the Parole Officer.  Now, that's not an elim role, but unlike the other neutral roles he has a particular reason to help the elims in one case, namely in the case of supporting a hammer to kill the Convict (which would likely be at a point where the wasted lynch costs the village the game).  While I don't think Straw's playing style is the best for the village, I don't think he's the same sort of threat.  (And if Randuir is not the Parole Officer, then he's certainly alienating the neutrals.)  Randuir.

[Yitzi2]

(Also, mention was made of my less-than-usual posting, so I thought I'd mention that the first few hours were while I was unable to get on.)

Just now, Amanuensis said:

Is there a reason this reasoning bothers you?

Edited June 25, 2017 by Yitzi2

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Guys, stop making Aman sad.