Long Game 35: L35 Miserables

[STINK he/him]

13 minutes ago, Yitzi2 said:

It doesn't take much effort as an eliminator (or as a villager), but it can lead to an increased chance of elims slipping up (something I have personally found useful:  My opening PM to Lopen in QF23 was even weaker (I only sent it because that game had a 1-PM-started-per-day rule), and Lopen slipping up in that PM ended up turning the game from elim domination to something that went right down to the wire).  I didn't see that separation into groups of 3; did I miss it?  (I wasn't able to get on for the first few hours of the game, so in going through the rest I'm sure I missed some things), and obviously didn't see anything from your one-on-one.

Yeah Straw made pointless groups of 3 from the player list and hoped that people would talk in them and he could just eavesdrop lol

[Yitzi2]

Just now, STINK said:

Yeah Straw made pointless groups of 3 from the player list and hoped that people would talk in them and he could just eavesdrop lol

If so, it might be best for any important discussions in said group to happen in a new PM with all such individuals except for Straw.

[DeTess she/her]

Regarding Straw's PM situation, I'm in 3 group PM's with him (one based on the groups of 3 Wilson mentioned, one based on the players with prime numbers, and one based on the players with fibonachi numbers). If this game had permanently open PM's, I'd be very suspicious of this, and if straw gets lynched and does end up being an elim, I expect the elims will have a tin-eye (if straw himself isn't the elim tin-eye).

At this point, If I'm going to vote it's probably going to be on him, just because crating random group-PM's just doesn't seem to be particularly useful or productive for the village. The reason I'm not doing so right now is the fact that STINK opened up the voting season by voting on him, which makes me wonder whether we aren't dealing with the convict and parole officer here (unless I'm right, the relevant roles probably shouldn't claim just because I'm wondering about this, btw. ).

Also, @Crimsn-Wolf, just how experienced are you? I know this is your 2nd game on these forums, but Joe mentioned something about you being a lot more experienced at this game than just those two games in the dead-doc of MR22. I'm asking because you seem to be playing the 'inexperienced' card again, which makes me somewhat suspicious.

Vote tally(I think, correct me if I missed anything)

straw(2): STINK, Araris

Drake marshall(0): STINK

STINK(1): Straw

[STINK he/him]

1 minute ago, randuir said:

 

At this point, If I'm going to vote it's probably going to be on him, just because crating random group-PM's just doesn't seem to be particularly useful or productive for the village. The reason I'm not doing so right now is the fact that STINK opened up the voting season by voting on him, which makes me wonder whether we aren't dealing with the convict and parole officer here (unless I'm right, the relevant roles probably shouldn't claim just because I'm wondering about this, btw. ).

 

Sadly, being Neutral doesnt make me every neutral role at once. That'd be a fun thing to play, though

[Yitzi2]

10 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

@TheMightyLopen I think I'd try to get one of them lynched were I an elim

So you are of the opinion that their behavior is useful to the village, then?  In such a way that will stop when they're lynched, but not stop when the PMs become inactive at the end of the day?

Edited June 25, 2017 by Yitzi2

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

Oddly, I think I've voted on Straw for the first cycle of almost every game I've played so far...so I think I'll try not to this time unless absolutely necessary lol

Yay first RP! 

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Alonine sat and stared at the barricade, the battle fire having calmed down for the moment. Why was she here? What foolishness had brought her to this revolution? Love. That was the only answer she had. But now? The one she had loved, enough to die for, was gone. Oh, he wasn't dead if that's what you were so morbidly thinking. No. He had fallen in love with another. Alonine sighed a long, deep, and sad sigh.

Was she never to find love? Was she nev...Alonine stopped mid-thought (that's a thing right?). She saw a man, dark and brooding, standing guard at the edge of the barricade. He was quite handsome. And he was here for a noble cause, she was sure. He must be a good man. Perhaps, even a great man. A man she could love? She thought about talking to him, but she didn't know if she had the courage to start again. Instead she just sat there, trying to come up with clever introduction lines. 

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@StrikerEZ lolz there ya go, now you can add to my RP if you want cuz I finally posted it. 

(fyi don't anyone be surprised if Alonine never reciprocates anyone's affection. She's terribly fickle and totally oblivious when it comes to love. So, try all you want, but she's probably not gonna get it lol. As I said before the game started, she's slightly modeled off of Eponine so lots of "unrequited" love RP... even if it's just in her mind haha) 

Edited June 25, 2017 by BrightnessRadiant

[Arinian]

Okay... I'm here. Sooo... people why you posting so much? Now I should read this all... damnation.

Yesterday I have had horrible internet connection and so I'm not posted, but looks like no one noticed that 

Sooo... what to say. I skimmed through thread not very carefuly, so I think later I will go and read all posts again. From what I've seen main dilemma of today is Stink or Straw. From what I've seen both Stink and Straw doing usual things for them. Stink(just check any game with Stink) annoying people, Straw(you can check LG33, almost all Straw's posts was not very useful graphs) doing useless things imitating activity. What I can say it's absolutely usual and not indicative things for their alignment, so with equall chances they can be villagers or elims.

So maybe I will post something later after I will read all post, but that's all for now.

[STINK he/him]

2 minutes ago, Arinian said:

 Stink(just check any game with Stink) annoying people,

You sure know how to compliment someone

[Straw he/him]

Joe just sent me a PM asking if I was an eliminator and if I was he and the convict's ward would help me out. (Joe claimed to be the convict).

[DeTess she/her]

7 minutes ago, Straw said:

Joe just sent me a PM asking if I was an eliminator and if I was he and the convict's ward would help me out. (Joe claimed to be the convict).

Really now? @A Joe in the Bush, would you care to comment on this?

[Stick. she/her]

10 hours ago, Crimsn-Wolf said:

I am slightly suspicious of STINK because of their pms asking for roles while claiming to be neutral and willing to give 'advice' to those who claim. While it could be truthful, it is also quite likely a ploy to find out possible elim targets--wanting to find who is neutral and who is good so as to not waste any kills. Another thing, I think they could potentially be the Parole Officer, for their targeting of Straw. Honestly, this game is going to be highly interesting with the Parole Officer in play. It is going to be somewhat difficult to determine if someone's reason for voting for someone is strictly due to real suspicion, or due to being their win condition.

So Stink claimed neutral? I'm not sure if revealing that in-thread was the best thing to do, normally. But given the circumstances, and the fact that most people would already know this, I guess it gives us some useful insight.

1 hour ago, Yitzi2 said:

So you are of the opinion that their behavior is useful to the village, then?  In such a way that will stop when they're lynched, but not stop when the PMs become inactive at the end of the day?

No, not useful to the village, the situation it's rather useful for the elims, if both are villagers. Forming a bandwagon isn't hard when many people are already expressing suspicion on them. But then, the more I think about it, and after reading the others' posts, Straw does seem a little suspicious, however normal his behaviour may look. 

1 hour ago, randuir said:

Regarding Straw's PM situation, I'm in 3 group PM's with him (one based on the groups of 3 Wilson mentioned, one based on the players with prime numbers, and one based on the players with fibonachi numbers).

This does seem a bit extreme. I only received the group-of-three group PM. If we don't get a better lynch target, I might just vote on Straw.

25 minutes ago, Straw said:

Joe just sent me a PM asking if I was an eliminator and if I was he and the convict's ward would help me out. (Joe claimed to be the convict).

huh wow seems contradictory to what Joe's first post said. Let's see what Joe has to say about this, first though. Curious. He could be trying to confirm if you're an elim by seeing if you do confess to being one. But then, I don't think an elim would do that, really. Hm.

[Yitzi2]

 

14 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

No, not useful to the village, the situation it's rather useful for the elims, if both are villagers. Forming a bandwagon isn't hard when many people are already expressing suspicion on them. But then, the more I think about it, and after reading the others' posts, Straw does seem a little suspicious, however normal his behaviour may look.

On the other hand, odds are pretty good that a villager's getting lynched the first day anyway, so there's no reason for an elim to go out of his way to determine that a particular villager is lynched; if anything, keeping suspicious villagers alive might benefit the elims by causing the village to waste a lynch on them later on when the chance of lynching an elim is higher.

Or are you just saying that you wouldn't be a very good elim?

[STINK he/him]

1 hour ago, Straw said:

Joe just sent me a PM asking if I was an eliminator and if I was he and the convict's ward would help me out. (Joe claimed to be the convict).

So we shouldn't vote on you but Joe? 

Even though you just revealed that you will reveal what anyone tells you in a PM?

[DeTess she/her]

4 minutes ago, STINK said:

Even though you just revealed that you will reveal what anyone tells you in a PM?

This does sound like the kind of thing you should share with the thread if you where village though. I don't see why neutral!Joe would take this risk if he wasn't 95% certain that straw was an elim, however, so either straw is making something up (unlikely), Joe slipped up badly (unlikely), or this was a ploy by Joe to try and figure out whether straw was an elim (likely).

[Straw he/him]

Stick, I don't know if you know, but PK, made the Fibonacci and Prime number PMs, not me.

[DeTess she/her]

23 minutes ago, Straw said:

Stick, I don't know if you know, but PK, made the Fibonacci and Prime number PMs, not me.

You're right. That was my mistake, actually(as in, I thought those had been made by straw as well). Sorry about that.

Edited June 25, 2017 by randuir

[Arraenae]

Joe actually said the same thing to me.

It seems like a smart move on Joe's part, if he's really the Convict. If the village knows he's the Convict, then he won't get lynched. If the elims know he's the Convict, there's a chance that they might threaten to lynch him unless he does things for them, but maybe not. If he reveals to the Parole Officer, the PO already knows.

It's like what Orlok did, where revealing doesn't hurt him much, or at all. In fact, I asked Joe about why he was telling me this and he said that he wanted Chaos, with a capital C.

[STINK he/him]

I don't think we can get the admin in here

[DeTess she/her]

9 minutes ago, Arraenae said:

Joe actually said the same thing to me.

It seems like a smart move on Joe's part, if he's really the Convict. If the village knows he's the Convict, then he won't get lynched. If the elims know he's the Convict, there's a chance that they might threaten to lynch him unless he does things for them, but maybe not. If he reveals to the Parole Officer, the PO already knows.

It's like what Orlok did, where revealing doesn't hurt him much, or at all. In fact, I asked Joe about why he was telling me this and he said that he wanted Chaos, with a capital C.

Oh, well, in that case it's easy. Joe.

I've got nothing against Neutrals, but I do have something against Neutrals that decide they want to work with the elims. Given that the C1 lynch isn't particularly likely to hit an elim (all discussion seems to be focused around STINK and Straw, and I don't have much reason to believe any of these two is an elim), we might as well take out a 'Neutral' that has decided he wants to aid the elims.

Edited June 25, 2017 by randuir

[Straw he/him]

Ok, I'll take my vote off STINK and place it on Joe.

[Yitzi2]

22 minutes ago, Arraenae said:

Joe actually said the same thing to me.

It seems like a smart move on Joe's part, if he's really the Convict. If the village knows he's the Convict, then he won't get lynched. If the elims know he's the Convict, there's a chance that they might threaten to lynch him unless he does things for them, but maybe not. If he reveals to the Parole Officer, the PO already knows.

It's like what Orlok did, where revealing doesn't hurt him much, or at all. In fact, I asked Joe about why he was telling me this and he said that he wanted Chaos, with a capital C.

The thing is, if Joe is the convict, then revealing in a way that indicates a tendency toward the elims is likely to get him killed (not a lose condition, but definitely a disadvantage), since someone would be pushing to lynch him, and together with the villagers who decide to take out the known elim-leaning player even if he's not an elim, he'd be fairly sure to be lynched.

So we're left with a few possibilities; I can think of the following:

1. Joe didn't think of the implications of such a statement in a role that has someone trying to get him lynched.

2. Joe is village, has no role, and was fishing for elim info in hopes that at least one elim would fall for it.

3. Joe is elim, and figured that sort of claim would help protect him from suspicion, while also hinting to the real Convict that he would like an alliance.

4. Joe is the Convict, knew full well this would get him lynched, and has a deal with the Parole Officer to cooperate in getting himself lynched in exchange for protection for the Ward.

Edited June 25, 2017 by Yitzi2

[Steeldancer he/him]

Just now, Yitzi2 said:

The thing is, if Joe is the convict, then revealing in a way that indicates a tendency toward the elims is likely to get him killed (not a lose condition, but definitely a disadvantage), since someone would be pushing to lynch him, and together with the villagers who decide to take out the known elim-leaning player even if he's not an elim, he'd be fairly sure to be lynched.

So we're left with a few possibilities; I can think of the following:

1. Joe didn't think of the implications of such a statement in a role that has someone trying to get him lynched.

2. Joe is village, has no role, and was fishing for elim info in hopes that at least one elim would fall for it.

3. Joe is elim, and figured that sort of claim would help protect him from suspicion, while also hinting to the real Convict that he would like an alliance.

4. Joe is the Convict, knew full well this would get him lynched, and has a deal with the Parole Officer to cooperate in exchange for protection for the Ward.

That... that might be the most convoluted plans I have ever heard for Valjean. Why would role claiming indicate that he wants an alliance, exactly? 

[Arraenae]

He claimed to want my help to get the Parole Officer to reveal themselves.

I think Joe is the real Convict, because I asked him who his Ward is, and it's easy enough to shoot over a PM to confirm.

[Yitzi2]

3 minutes ago, The Flash said:

That... that might be the most convoluted plans I have ever heard for Valjean. Why would role claiming indicate that he wants an alliance, exactly? 

You mean according to #4?  In order to get himself lynched, for which the PO would have promised to use his then-guaranteed-win position to ensure the Ward survives (which is the Convict's actual win condition).

And yes, it's convoluted, but the only non-convoluted one is #1, which requires him to have made a big mistake.

EDIT: Arraenae's post changes things.  This was presumably trying to get someone pushing for his lynch to try to draw out the PO...though for what purpose, I'm not sure.  (If he draws out the PO in a way that makes his lynch significantly more likely, he doesn't really accomplish anything as far as his own survival goes.)

Edited June 25, 2017 by Yitzi2

[STINK he/him]

46 minutes ago, randuir said:

Oh, well, in that case it's easy. Joe.

I've got nothing against Neutrals, but I do have something against Neutrals that decide they want to work with the elims. Given that the C1 lynch isn't particularly likely to hit an elim (all discussion seems to be focused around STINK and Straw, and I don't have much reason to believe any of these two is an elim), we might as well take out a 'Neutral' that has decided he wants to aid the elims.

randuir r u evil. 

Lmao what is this