Long Game 35: L35 Miserables

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

2 minutes ago, little wilson said:

Major tinfoil time: Rand and Aman are elims together and because they're both seen as very good evil players, they're doing things that people would never expect them to do as eliminators (Rand trying to alienate the neutrals from the village, because he'd never do that as an eliminator so clearly he's village, and Aman defending Rand so hardcore since he would never jump so hard and so early to the defense of a teammate).

Well, I sure don't feel as strongly about Rand being town as Aman seems to feel. And you know I love tinfoil.  I wouldn't think that Rand would intentionally make a mistake like alienating the Neutrals though, so if it is the case that both of them are elims, I'd think that Aman was just trying to save his teammate by doing what you suggest. This could also be good cover for why both of them wouldn't die to the elim kill as well, since everyone would always be unsure about them because of this, so they could say the elims wouldn't want to kill them since they're under suspicion. But yeah, tinfoil.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Yitzi: Just read all his posts. Seems okay on the surface, but he's been defending Straw without actually defending him, which is odd. For example, his first post of the game is him responding to Araris' vote with "Aren't a lot of PMs good for the village?" but he doesn't necessarily say Straw is village. Could be their teammates together. Could be a teammate of his was already voting for Straw so he wanted to stay away from it. Could even be that he expected Straw to get lynched and just didn't want to deal with the fallout, but either way, it feels off to me. I do like that he's asking quite a few questions, but I don't like that he hasn't shared any opinions of the players so far (discounting Rand), and I really don't get his logic of voting for Rand in the first place, which I already talked about. I wish I could give him credit for reevaluating Rand, but an elim would probably want to back off of Rand anyway, given my hard defense / vocalization that I'm suspicious of people trying to kill him. Conclusion: leaning evil. @Yitzi2, can you give me your thoughts on at least five different players, as well as Straw (so 6 total).

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

Haha maybe I should've just left my vote alone and went to bed...I could always vote aman heh 

[Amanuensis he/him]

9 minutes ago, little wilson said:

 

Major tinfoil time: Rand and Aman are elims together and because they're both seen as very good evil players, they're doing things that people would never expect them to do as eliminators (Rand trying to alienate the neutrals from the village, because he'd never do that as an eliminator so clearly he's village, and Aman defending Rand so hardcore since he would never jump so hard and so early to the defense of a teammate).

 

4 minutes ago, little wilson said:

 

Hey, I did say it was a major tinfoil.  

Though honestly, if they were teammates, I could see them doing this. 'm not saying I'm suspicious of either of them (I'm neutral, so I have no reason to be, though I'd be rather paranoid, were I village), but it's a possibility. And really, I find Aman's hard defense of Rand specifically to be very strange.

 

2 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said:

 

Well, I sure don't feel as strongly about Rand being town as Aman seems to feel. And you know I love tinfoil.  I wouldn't think that Rand would intentionally make a mistake like alienating the Neutrals though, so if it is the case that both of them are elims, I'd think that Aman was just trying to save his teammate by doing what you suggest. This could also be good cover for why both of them wouldn't die to the elim kill as well, since everyone would always be unsure about them because of this, so they could say the elims wouldn't want to kill them since they're under suspicion. But yeah, tinfoil.

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

Oh @Amanuensis I'd hate to lynch you just because it's fun to have you around lol

[Amanuensis he/him]

Just now, BrightnessRadiant said:

Oh @Amanuensis I'd hate to lynch you just because it's fun to have you around lol

Thanks  I'd hate to lynch me too, for the record

[little wilson she/her]

I wouldn't vote based on a major tinfoil like that. Just my own personal recommendation. Aman is very active, and active players are good to have around, regardless of their alignment. More game discussion is always a good thing. Dead threads make for lame games. Now, give it a few turns and if there is more evidence to substantiate that tinfoil, then perhaps. But D1? Nah. No point.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Aman, want to lynch Yitzi then? I'm cool with that. Yitzi. I guess if this lynch doesn't work out, I might actually consider voting Straw, mostly because I do find the pile up on Rand weird, like there's some eliminator involvement, and the obvious answer is that it's to save Straw.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Just now, little wilson said:

 

Dead threads make for lame games.

RIP Game 10

[little wilson she/her]

Just now, Amanuensis said:

RIP Game 10

Exactly.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

1 minute ago, little wilson said:

I wouldn't vote based on a major tinfoil like that. Just my own personal recommendation. Aman is very active, and active players are good to have around, regardless of their alignment. More game discussion is always a good thing. Dead threads make for lame games. Now, give it a few turns and if there is more evidence to substantiate that tinfoil, then perhaps. But D1? Nah. No point.

Yeah, I wouldn't vote based off of that either. I just thought I'd add to it for fun.  And that's part of the reason I want to save Rand.

[Amanuensis he/him]

1 minute ago, TheMightyLopen said:

 

Aman, want to lynch Yitzi then? I'm cool with that. Yitzi. I guess if this lynch doesn't work out, I might actually consider voting Straw, mostly because I do find the pile up on Rand weird, like there's some eliminator involvement, and the obvious answer is that it's to save Straw.

I would prefer to wait for Yitzi to respond to my post first, but there's just a little over four hours left, and I really do think lynching Rand is town. I would rather not kill Straw yet because I'm getting flashbacks to the last game where Straw got mislynched Day 1, and that it's completely reasonable for elims to push a town!Rand lynch over a town!Straw lynch.

[xxGaea They/Them, Fae/Faer]

43 minutes ago, Haelbarde said:

Just pointing out that with Elbereth also playing, "El" is a little ambiguous.

 

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So I've attempted to compile my own vote tally. If I've missed anything, do let me know.

Vote Tally (with history):
Straw(4): Stink{1}, Stink{3}, Araris{1}, Rae{1}, Elenion{1}, Flash{1}, Asterion{1}
Drake(0): Stink{2}
Stink(0): Straw{1}, Straw{3}, Flash{2}
Joe(1): Randuir{1}, Straw{2}, Drake{1}
Randuir(6): Brightness{1}, Joe{1}, Orlok{1}, Straw{4}, Yitzi2{1}, Crimsn{1}, Flash{3}, Jondesu{1}
Elenion(0): Aman{1}
Jondesu(0): Rae{2}
Cloudjumper(1): Seonid{1}
Shqueeves(1): PK{1}

Vote Tally:
Randuir(6): Brightness, Orlok, Straw, Crimsn, Flash, Jondesu
Straw(4): Stink, Araris, Elenion, Asterion
Joe(1): Randuir
Cloudjumper(1): Seonid
Shqueeves(1): PK

 

I redacted my vote on Randuir on page 14.  //at least I think I did. Did I not do it right?//

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

I should probably give more detailed reasoning for why Yitzi is suspicious then. I guess I'll just quote all of his posts and pick over them.

Crimsn, you did it right. Hael just missed your retraction.

[Amanuensis he/him]

For the record, not a fan of Jon reading the thread after my post about him before vanishing. I guess I didn't really provide something specific for him to comment on, but it seems really convenient if he is evil.

[xxGaea They/Them, Fae/Faer]

Just now, TheMightyLopen said:

Crimsn, you did it right. Hael just missed your retraction.

haha, ok thank you. xD I was worried that I misunderstood what to do. In the future, I guess I will try and make my redactions more obvious, should I make anymore.

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

I'd be fine with going for Yitzi at this point considering I already said he seemed suspicious earlier. He was on my list lol.

He's been very "non-committal" in most of his posts. As I said before he seems to be staying "neutral" on most of the discussion for this cycle, and that doesn't seem like normal village Yitzi to me.

[Seonid he/him]

Cloudjumper

Yitzi

As D1 lynch targets go, it's not the absolute worst we've ever had. And this last-minute swing will be filled with even more information for us after we see how Yitzi flips. Aman and randuir have my Elim!radar going now - probably Wilson's tinfoil speculation. Logic says that this would be a stupid play for either of them. But paranoia doesn't play well with logic.

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

So do we have a 3 way tie right now?

[xxGaea They/Them, Fae/Faer]

Mm, what are the reasons for the sudden bandwagon on Yitzi? I am curious as to the reasons behind these votes. I think I missed the explanation somewhere, lol.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Straw: Significantly more active than is normal for him, unless his play style changed in my absence. Genuinely feels like he's trying to be useful / active and that he cares about living. Could be due to him being evil, but I'm not going to discourage a positive change in his game. Him bringing Joe's phishing to light makes me lean town, too. Only thing I don't like is his reads on Len and Drake, as I don't really get where he's coming from. @Straw, why did you say they're both probably village?

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

1 minute ago, Crimsn-Wolf said:

Mm, what are the reasons for the sudden bandwagon on Yitzi? I am curious as to the reasons behind these votes. I think I missed the explanation somewhere, lol.

We're looking for someone suspicious to vote on instead of rand or straw lol

[Amanuensis he/him]

Can an eliminator who's here right now be suspicious? I'd hate myself if we suddenly lynched Yitzi without him being around to defend himself, especially if he is actually a villager.

Edited June 26, 2017 by Amanuensis

[little wilson she/her]

I'm pretty sure Yitzi is European or somewhere in that timezone-ish, so while he's not around now, I imagine he'll get on before rollover and have time to defend himself. Unfortunately, that doesn't help the votes from players who will be asleep at that point in time.

[Amanuensis he/him]

15 minutes ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

So do we have a 3 way tie right now?

Not quite, unless my tally is off.

(5) randuir: OrlokTsubodai, Straw, Yitzi2, The Flash, Jondesu, 

(4) Yitzi2: The Mighty Lopen, Amanuensis, Seonid, BrightnessRadiant, 

(4) Straw: STINK, Araris Valerian, Elenion, asterion137, 

(1) A Joe in the Bush: randuir,

(1) Jondesu: Arraenae, 

(1) Shqueeves: Paranoid King, 

6 minutes ago, little wilson said:

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure Yitzi is European or somewhere in that timezone-ish, so while he's not around now, I imagine he'll get on before rollover and have time to defend himself. Unfortunately, that doesn't help the votes from players who will be asleep at that point in time.

Thanks Wilson. You're a doll <3

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EDIT: In the words of Lute, this wagon formation always lynches a wolf.

That being said, @Straw, thoughts on Yitzi?

Edited June 26, 2017 by Amanuensis