Long Game 35: L35 Miserables

[xxGaea They/Them, Fae/Faer]

 

5 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said:

 

I believe the above vote tally is still accurate.

What makes you suspicious of Shqueeves? I only remember the one post in response to Straw, which I didn't really think meant much.

5 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Why Shqueeves?

lol, thank you both. xD A

As for why I am suspicious of them, they just seemed overly friendly in their two posts, I guess? I don't know, I am just having a lot of gut-reactions to a lot of people, sorry. x'D If I remember correctly, there was someone else who found Shqueeves to be a bit suspicious, so that may also be influencing my own suspicions. I wish there was more to go on to decide whether or not to vote on someone. At this point, the only viable options are Randuir, Yitzi, and Straw. I need to go look back and see what a tie results in, if anything useful, hah. 

 

Edited June 26, 2017 by Crimsn-Wolf
double quoted something whoops

[Amanuensis he/him]

Just PK, IIRC, and that vote was... ew. No other way to put it.

Shqueeves is off the table for me, personally. Won't be around for a week due to real life commitments, and nothing he posted is alignment indicative, imo.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

9 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

 

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EDIT: Ninja'd with a mindmeld. Lopen lock town.

Feels good to read, ngl.

Crimsn, I think I remember Stick saying that tied lynches result are random between the top voted players.

Yeah, I think Shqueeves mentioned not being around until after July 4th or something? He's gonna have a lot to catch up on. >>

[Amanuensis he/him]

@OrlokTsubodai, any chance of you retracting your vote from Rand? Asking for a friend.

[xxGaea They/Them, Fae/Faer]

3 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Just PK, IIRC, and that vote was... ew. No other way to put it.

Shqueeves is off the table for me, personally. Won't be around for a week due to real life commitments, and nothing he posted is alignment indicative, imo.

IIRC?

And I don't plan on voting on them until they get back and can be more active, since that would be highly rude, haha. I agree that they haven't really done anything that makes it obvious, I am just being paranoid. xD

3 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said:

Crimsn, I think I remember Stick saying that tied lynches result are random between the top voted players.

Ahh, ok.

Mm, so there is a possibility for a tie, or have two people vote for either Straw or Yitzi in the next 30 minutes.  Hah, voting without knowing who is good is hard. xD Being an elim my first game was easier in that aspect. I do definitely prefer being able to analyze things, though. It's a lot of fun, haha.

[Amanuensis he/him]

1 minute ago, Crimsn-Wolf said:

 

 

IIRC?

And I don't plan on voting on them until they get back and can be more active, since that would be highly rude, haha. I agree that they haven't really done anything that makes it obvious, I am just being paranoid. xD

Ahh, ok.

Mm, so there is a possibility for a tie, or have two people vote for either Straw or Yitzi in the next 30 minutes.  Hah, voting without knowing who is good is hard. xD Being an elim my first game was easier in that aspect. I do definitely prefer being able to analyze things, though. It's a lot of fun, haha.

If I recall correctly.

Yeah, that's why I'm asking if Orlok would consider taking his vote off of Rand. Everyone else voting for him isn't even here.

Town is fun. Glad you're enjoying yourself.

 

[Orlok Tsubodai]

Apologies, @Amanuensis. I'd have posted earlier, but having not got to sleep until about 3:30am last night, managed to fall back to sleep after waking up. 

I'm torn about Randuir. I, too, don't like killing him whilst he's away, and he has an exam today. I don't think my suspicion is too convoluted, although it relies on the neutral roles having committed to the eliminator team, and staying with them even after Rand is discovered/dies. This might occur through pressure Rand generated, but at that point is starting to become a little more tenuous.

Straw has been far more active than he normally is. I asked him about this in the PM I have with him, and he explained that he's now on summer break. I'm not sure I've ever seen how he plays when he's investing time into the game, but am not sure I want to discourage it by lynching him on D1. 

I'll skim through the thread and think about voting on Yitzi now - would someone remind me of the retraction rules this game? Do I retract in this post, or my original post?

[Amanuensis he/him]

Just now, OrlokTsubodai said:

 

Apologies, @Amanuensis. I'd have posted earlier, but having not got to sleep until about 3:30am last night, managed to fall back to sleep after waking up. 

I'm torn about Randuir. I, too, don't like killing him whilst he's away, and he has an exam today. I don't think my suspicion is too convoluted, although it relies on the neutral roles having committed to the eliminator team, and staying with them even after Rand is discovered/dies. This might occur through pressure Rand generated, but at that point is starting to become a little more tenuous.

Straw has been far more active than he normally is. I asked him about this in the PM I have with him, and he explained that he's now on summer break. I'm not sure I've ever seen how he plays when he's investing time into the game, but am not sure I want to discourage it by lynching him on D1. 

I'll skim through the thread and think about voting on Yitzi now - would someone remind me of the retraction rules this game? Do I retract in this post, or my original post?

No worries. Glad to see you reevaluating, even if there weren't any doubts about your alignment from my end.

Unfortunately Yitzi's got the similar problem of not being around. I honestly wish ties resulted in no lynch this game but oh well. Pretty sure it was clarified earlier that you retract in a new post, not a previous one.

[Orlok Tsubodai]

1 minute ago, Amanuensis said:

No worries. Glad to see you reevaluating, even if there weren't any doubts about your alignment from my end.

Unfortunately Yitzi's got the similar problem of not being around. I honestly wish ties resulted in no lynch this game but oh well. Pretty sure it was clarified earlier that you retract in a new post, not a previous one.

At this point, then, are we not best served by calculating which of the players up for the lynch will generate us the most information? Of these, I don't know that it's Straw - discussion hasn't focused on him except as a Non-Rand target.

Randuir.

[xxGaea They/Them, Fae/Faer]

(4) randuir: Straw, Yitzi2, The Flash, Jondesu, 

(4) Yitzi2: The Mighty Lopen, Amanuensis, Seonid, BrightnessRadiant, 

(4) Straw: STINK, Araris Valerian, Elenion, asterion137, 

(1) A Joe in the Bush: randuir,

(1) Jondesu: Arraenae, 

(1) Shqueeves: Paranoid King,

 

So now we have a three-way tie. If no more vote changes happen before 2 am, randuir, yitzi, or straw will die at a random choice. Hm. Straw just seems to be causing mischief, and I don't have a real read on yitzi. 

[Amanuensis he/him]

In that case, either Rand or Straw are the ideal votes. Probably Rand, given my hard defense of him. But I will say other than Seonid, I've got townreads on everyone voting for Yitzi right now, which is a good sign. That being said, if he is an eliminator killing him right now isn't very helpful for information, other than clearing those who killed him (or at least the first four votes).

[xxGaea They/Them, Fae/Faer]

2 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

In that case, either Rand or Straw are the ideal votes. Probably Rand, given my hard defense of him. But I will say other than Seonid, I've got townreads on everyone voting for Yitzi right now, which is a good sign. That being said, if he is an eliminator killing him right now isn't very helpful for information, other than clearing those who killed him (or at least the first four votes).

Even if it wouldn't necessarily generate the most information, should we vote him out on the proposed high chance of him being an elim? If he is, that would be good for the town, right?

//edit// This is also ignoring the possible vote manipulations, since aren't those possible in this game?

Edited June 26, 2017 by Crimsn-Wolf

[Stick. she/her]

Omg six new pages.

@Seonid Straw revealed in one if his posts that stink was claiming neutral in PMs.

I should vote.

Edit: Or should I leave the tie as a tie?

Edited June 26, 2017 by _Stick_

[Orlok Tsubodai]

Which, admittedly Straw could have done to try to gain trust, when he was already under scrutiny.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

There's enough people online that we could easily save all three of them. We can vote for Jondesu for example.

[Amanuensis he/him]

2 minutes ago, Crimsn-Wolf said:

 

(4) randuir: Straw, Yitzi2, The Flash, Jondesu, 

(4) Yitzi2: The Mighty Lopen, Amanuensis, Seonid, BrightnessRadiant, 

(4) Straw: STINK, Araris Valerian, Elenion, asterion137, 

(1) A Joe in the Bush: randuir,

(1) Jondesu: Arraenae, 

(1) Shqueeves: Paranoid King,

 

So now we have a three-way tie. If no more vote changes happen before 2 am, randuir, yitzi, or straw will die at a random choice. Hm. Straw just seems to be causing mischief, and I don't have a real read on yitzi. 

I don't really feel like Straw is trying to cause mischief. I feel like he's trying to be useful. Either alignment can do that, but I don't want to discourage him from trying.

Just now, Crimsn-Wolf said:

 

Even if it wouldn't necessarily generate the most information, should we vote him out on the proposed high chance of him being an elim? If he is, that would be good for the town, right?

Not sure who the he is referring to here, but I'm not sure it matters too much. Ultimately it depends a lot on perspective. Debatedly letting an elim live for now would be ideal because then we have more content to analyze later, in order to figure out teammates, which helps us solve the game. But I also don't want a town!Rand to get lynched because if my hot take on his reaction to Joe is right, he can be a valuable asset.

[xxGaea They/Them, Fae/Faer]

Just now, A Joe in the Bush said:

There's enough people online that we could easily save all three of them. We can vote for Jondesu for example.

That's assuming everyone gets on board of lynching Jondesu, tho. Within the next 10 minutes.

[Orlok Tsubodai]

@A Joe in the Bush, the two minute version of why we should vote on Jondesu?

Not to mention that if we do that, we lose any chance of getting information from the lynch.

Edited June 26, 2017 by OrlokTsubodai
Not double posting

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

@A Joe in the Bush why Jon?

[Amanuensis he/him]

3 minutes ago, A Joe in the Bush said:

There's enough people online that we could easily save all three of them. We can vote for Jondesu for example.

Same problem with not being around. I am suspicious of Jon, though.

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@OrlokTsubodai

5 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

 

 

Jon: First few posts NAI. His tinfoil of Wilson feels like he knows Crimsn and Wilson are town (or, at least, not elims) and he's trying to discourage the former trusting the latter. He's got a bit of an authoritative tone going that I'm not sure is alignment indicative, but it's triggering me a little (for example, "Everyone else keep your roles to yourselves"). I would say him giving Joe time to respond is sensible, but that could just be hedging because he'd rather lynch a villager. The timing of his vote on Rand suggests he's town, even if I think it's a really bad vote. Him trying to get Flash to talk more about his reads is good, but it's probably NAI since an elim could say that just as easily. Conclusion: Leaning evil but would not lynch him today, as it's unfair to start a lynch on someone when they aren't around, and I'd like to do some real-time interaction with him later.

EDIT: Oh he's reading the thread. Hi @Jondesu 

This was my take.

Edited June 26, 2017 by Amanuensis

[xxGaea They/Them, Fae/Faer]

1 minute ago, Amanuensis said:

I don't really feel like Straw is trying to cause mischief. I feel like he's trying to be useful. Either alignment can do that, but I don't want to discourage him from trying.

Not sure who the he is referring to here, but I'm not sure it matters too much. Ultimately it depends a lot on perspective. Debatedly letting an elim live for now would be ideal because then we have more content to analyze later, in order to figure out teammates, which helps us solve the game. But I also don't want a town!Rand to get lynched because if my hot take on his reaction to Joe is right, he can be a valuable asset.

Hm..that is also true. I don't want to leave the vote at a tie, since then one of them will die at random and the thought of that annoys me for some reason.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

I literally chose jon because he already had a vote on him, and aman expressed suspicion on him, and he claimed in a pm that undercover cops don't have to reveal they're a cop when asked. 

[Amanuensis he/him]

From my experience, Chineese Fire Drills haven't failed me yet (nearly lynched two eliminators in a row with them in Game 10).

[Stick. she/her]

If I'm told to vote out of the three, I'll go with Rand. Should I break the tie? Not sure about jondesu

[Amanuensis he/him]

Just now, _Stick_ said:

If I'm told to vote out of the three, I'll go with Rand. Should I break the tie? Not sure about jondesu

I think he's town but follow your heart