the winter system Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Nobody moved on Yolen. Except, you know. A smart guy is DEAD. (He was on Yolen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipper Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Joe, can you leave the topics for the various days and nights up, while still locking them? It's kind of frustrating to open a notification or search back through a previous day, only to find that the topic has been bundled up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leiftinspace Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 So who was on Yolen again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dowanx Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 No one moved on my planet Nalthis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metacognition Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 First off, I'd like to ask Cognition to clarify his vote for Alv at the beginning of last cycle. Yes, first cycle reasoning is always shoddy. But you've traditionally opposed the idea of poke votes, and yet ...I have trouble reading this as anything other than poking Alv into saying something. So is there a deeper meaning? It's wasn't a poke vote. I meant to leave my vote exactly where it was, but everyone wanted a no lynch, so I bowed to the will of the group. During the first cycle, you can't help but pick someone out semi-randomly and just see what happens. What I don't like about poke votes is exactly how easy it has become for people to shrug off the early votes. Most people only leave them on someone until that person speaks up. That does us no good, as it doesn't tell us anything. For example: Joe votes for Gamma. Gamma posts "I'm here." and that's it. Joe removes his vote from Gamma. That doesn't tell us anything other than that Gamma isn't going inactive. Those kind of poke votes don't do us any good. The idea behind voting is to make the other person fear that they might actually get lynched and see how they try to defend themselves and who all comes to their defense. That doesn't happen if you're going to remove your vote just because they posted. In other words, because no one wanted a lynch on the first day, the votes lost their bite. Preferably what you'd want is a bunch of votes being thrown about on the first day (and most days in fact) with every intention of lynching someone. Then you see who might be trying to defend themselves just a little too hard or who has other people that seem to be sticking up for them. The end result though is that someone does wind up getting lynched. This is what separates poke votes from other votes. The first day votes have lost their intent and that's why lynches on the first day are so random. They don't have to be, but everyone being unwilling to lynch on the first day is what makes them that way. I'm going to go back through the first cycle later tonight to see if I can't pick up any clues, but for now, I remember being suspicious of Gamma, more so after we only had the one kill. We know Rayse was active enough to invest in one of their Champs, but they didn't kill last night. As such, there's a good chance that they're not as active and that they missed their chance to put in the order. The Witness doesn't have a very good shot at actually targeting the person making the kill (about a 2/29 chance), so having Ati hold off very well could have been to protect Rayse from getting shot. Besides, lets say the Witness does find Ati instead of Rayse or a Champ. That's not necessarily a bad thing. We'd have confirmation of Ati and that the Witness is telling the truth and could likely be trusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Joe in the Bush Posted February 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Joe, can you leave the topics for the various days and nights up, while still locking them? It's kind of frustrating to open a notification or search back through a previous day, only to find that the topic has been bundled up. Meta does that stuff. You'll have to talk to him about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipper Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) @Meta Your comments about who the Witness finds (Ruin, for example) only hold true if the person who speaks up as the Witness actually *is* the witness. We have no way of proving Witness identity. Edit: Admittedly, a Witness deception on the part of the OCs would only work for one cycle (or until the person the OC implicated got lynched), but it could still be a worth-while sacrifice for them, especially if they manage to Shatter Cultivation or Ruin. Regardless of whether the Witness is a well thought out deception or the real deal, our only proof of the Witness's identity is by lynching the one they implicate. Edited February 5, 2015 by Snoopy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vineyarddawg Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Are you sure that's now the witness works, Meta? The Expanded Rules doc says: Witness: Once per night you may choose to learn the identity of a random killer. They also learn your identity. That makes it sound to me like if the Witness chooses to activate their power and there's a kill that night, they will learn the identity of one of the killers at random. If there's only 1 kill, the witness finds out who the killer is. If there's 2+ kills, you get one of the killer's names at random. And if there's no kills, you find out nothing. Is that how it works, Joe? And if there are multiple kills, does the witness find out who the killer killed, or just the killer's name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unodus Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) Derushe woke up with a terrible headache. He was in an alley not far from the royal district where the party had been, he must have carried himself here last night and passed out... Picking himself up, he was glad to see at least he had all his possessions on him, albeit that wasn't much- just his clothes, an empty bag and a scrapbook. The odd thing though, was that he couldn't recall anything at all about last night. He remembered arriving at the party, then the Aons stopped working, and then someone burst into the ballroom. Was that typical for this worlds parties? Perhaps not, everyone seemed as surprised as he was, well- except two people... There were two people who had burst through the doors somehow. An Imposing Gentleman, and- to what could be assumed, was his petite Daughter. However, they didn't appear to be very close. Derushe remembered scribbling notes very quickly, when the man spoke- and despite lacking the proper Aons, he could comprehend what he was saying! "Listen up. You see that word on the wall? Wilson? It's the name of an actual immortal goddess. I'm a member of her church, I've seen her. She is awe inspiring. Join her, and you shall be rewarded as I have." A speck of light rose up from within his shirt. "This is Rules. She's my spren, given to me by my Bloodthirsty Goddess as a reward for services rendered. She lets me do this." He created a coin out of the air with a slight pop. Was this the legendary Allomancy he had heard of earlier? Amazed, Derushe scribbled notes even faster- when a couple who were talking amongst themselves came up to Strange Gentleman. The Man with peculiarly shaped shoulders and shaded face spoke first- "I also serve the Bloodthirsty Goddess. She granted me Edgedancing and I have absolutely no idea what she granted Kae, but apparently my ally also serves him." Then, the lady- Kae, spoke in a language Derushe could understand too. "Yeah, the Bloodthirsty Goddess led us to each other. Does anyone want to convert to the Immortal, Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Bloodthirsty Goddess Wilson. Also, biannual WilsonCon's coming up. See us for details." Did these three posses the same sigils that he had invented? Impossible, clearly none of them had been targeted by the Shaod. They must have some other mean of translating... Was that power unique to this planet, or were they like him? Other Explorers of the place beyond the Sky? And the thing they were talking about... An actual Alien Goddess! Amazing! Derushe simply had to to talk with them... And that is where his memory stopped, he couldn't recall what had happened after that. How frustrating, was it something he had drunk at the party- perhaps? That would make sense, his Body was entirely susceptible to things Local inhabitants would be immune to. Noting this down, he glanced back at the last few pages in his journal. Apparently, he had written something in his Journal before he had lost his memory- although, the handwriting was different. He regarded the first line- "To fix your Aons, draw them without the 17th Symbol Aon- she was shattered, which is why none of your Sigils which rely on all the shards work. Draw them again without her Aon and you will be able to use them again". Derushe tested this, and after establishing that was really the solution, set about correcting all the Aons in his book and all his Aon Tattoos- He simply had to explore this planet a little more, it was too intriguing to abandon now. What planet was Satrams on? Perhaps Odium/ his champion are on the same planet? :V(Not very conclusive, I know- but it might be worth knowing for later to use as evidence against anyone we want incriminate...) Other than that, I don't really see anyone being suspicious at the moment, so I'll hold my vote for now... :B Edited February 5, 2015 by Unodus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the winter system Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Yolen. With Mckdee and swjlee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Joe in the Bush Posted February 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Are you sure that's now the witness works, Meta? The Expanded Rules doc says: That makes it sound to me like if the Witness chooses to activate their power and there's a kill that night, they will learn the identity of one of the killers at random. If there's only 1 kill, the witness finds out who the killer is. If there's 2+ kills, you get one of the killer's names at random. And if there's no kills, you find out nothing. Is that how it works, Joe? And if there are multiple kills, does the witness find out who the killer killed, or just the killer's name? In the case of there being multiple kills, the Witness will find the identity of one killer. He won't know which killer that was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarcomere Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Well, I'll vote for Meta. Meta would be a dangerous foe as an eliminator, since he's had experience running the game. He probably knows very well now how eliminators stay out of suspicion. Even if he's innocent, I feel that Meta still has a lot of influence and that could end up being extremely bad if Meta trusted the wrong person. I wouldn't want a repeat of what happened last game, where the extremely influential Wilson fully trusted an eliminator. And for what it's worth, I trust Aonar. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the winter system Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Sarcomere. Why would you vote for someone who you have absolutely no evidence for being an eliminator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamma Fiend Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 I'm going to go back through the first cycle later tonight to see if I can't pick up any clues, but for now, I remember being suspicious of Gamma, more so after we only had the one kill. We know Rayse was active enough to invest in one of their Champs, but they didn't kill last night. As such, there's a good chance that they're not as active and that they missed their chance to put in the order. The Witness doesn't have a very good shot at actually targeting the person making the kill (about a 2/29 chance), so having Ati hold off very well could have been to protect Rayse from getting shot. Besides, lets say the Witness does find Ati instead of Rayse or a Champ. That's not necessarily a bad thing. We'd have confirmation of Ati and that the Witness is telling the truth and could likely be trusted. With what somebody else already brought up, I think the Witness role works as in they just have to activate their power, and they automatically find one of the killers. And I was surprised that the Witness held off last night, honestly, if the power works like that. But they could just be inactive or waiting until they can build up a circle of trust/protection. Also, I kind of figured there was only the one kill last night because the OCs are trying to find the Witness, and won't risk having Odium exposed until they find a way to take the Witness out. Again, this is assuming we have the right understanding of this role. O.o Because how I've been reading Investiture is that they had to have been active to Invest in an OC to make a kill, so that could possibly mean somebody who was inactive during the night cycle. I'm still not exactly who to vote for myself, yet, but I do agree that we will need to start using our lynch eventually, and the longer we delay, the less information we will gain. (Even if I did read your vote as being a little over aggressive there) ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Araris Valerian Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Well, while I myself don't think lynching Meta is the best option at this point with the info we know, Sarc does bring up a good point of what happened with Clancy and Wilson last game. Winter, I think that was a rather quick vote, especially since Sarc did explain herself in her post. As far as what Sarc said about last game, the person doing all of the planning, Wilson, was clean. If we assume something similar this game, then most likely Aonar and Meta are clean, although different eliminators have different strategies. You probably aren't going to get any more answers than that, so the only reason for you to respond in that way that I can see is if you want Sarc to remove her vote and/or are worried about Meta being lynched. You have been climbing up a bit on my suspicions list. Anywho, I tried to post earlier today in response to what Snoopy said; Peng is of interest since he has been acted on by 3 people with roles, one of which may or may not be an OC. As for my vote, one person in particular, Joe, has been offering a lot of info without really giving much in the way of suggestions. I don't really have much better to say, but I think Winter is the most suspicious person that I have seen. And I like what Meta said about poke votes; that feels like a better way to use voting, so I am going to keep my vote on someone this cycle, so if Winter wants me to move off of her I need to hear a good reason to vote for someone else or somebody else just needs to do something really suspicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Joe in the Bush Posted February 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 (edited) Arnardar looked at all the people around him He couldn't believe that any of them were truly Evil, but then who? Somebody else must be Pulling the Strings. And then It hit him. "Guys! I know who it is! It's Joe! We need to lynch Joe! If we kill him there won't be any Odium!" Silence fell across the room, as everyone stared in horror at him. The ones closet to him took several steps away. Arnardar's Smile slowly fell away at their Reactions. "What?" There was a Rumbling in the Distance, and Red Clouds began to fill the Sky. The ground shook, and then a Voice boomed out of the Heavens. YOU DARE TO ACCUSE ME? KNOW YOUR PLACE! The Clouds above Arnardar sparked, and A Wall of Red Lighting Flew downward, Incinerating him instantly. Arnardar was an Insolent Slontze! (No, he's not really dead.) Edited February 6, 2015 by The Only Joe 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metacognition Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 In the case of there being multiple kills, the Witness will find the identity of one killer. He won't know which killer that was. In light of this, I'll remove my vote from Gamma for now. That seems incredibly powerful, as it's guaranteed to find either Rayse or a Champion then. That's better than having an actual Scanner, especially since they can do it multiple times as long as we protect them! If team Rayse has one, then they basically will learn who Ati is at the cost of one of their own. Still incredibly powerful. Sarc, that is horrible reasoning. "Let's kill off our better players because they might be evil!" And, with no insult to Wilson, I'm not her. We both have very different play styles and I keep my suspicions very fluid. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clanky Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 (edited) I for one would like to hear more from Snoopy. I don't want you to tell everyone who Cultivation is (if you really know) but i would like something to ease my suspicions. EDIT removed vote Edited February 6, 2015 by Clanky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipper Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 (edited) What do you want me to say? Are you trying to manipulate me for some reason? Edit: Okay, now I'm less angry. I don't think there's a thing that I could say that would disprove your suspicions. I can't even fathom what I said that would imply that I'm an OC or Odium. I see your suspicions as rather groundless in the first place. Perhaps you could answer a question for me: What motivates you to be suspicious of me? Edited February 6, 2015 by Snoopy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clanky Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 No you just seem to have information about a lot of important people and haven't given any reasoning. You just keep dropping hints about all the stuff you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightsworn Panda Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 (edited) What do you want me to say? Are you trying to manipulate me for some reason? He just wants you not to reveal the identity of a Shard, as that is some very delicate information. We don't really want to lose our PM Power just yet. Also, manipulation tends to be... different from that. Manipulation only occurs if there's a valid point behind it. I for one would like to hear more from Snoopy. I don't want you to tell everyone who Cultivation is (if you really know) but i would like something to ease my suspicions. If you wanted Snoopy to not reveal Cultivation's identity you could have just told him so. To go as far as trying to lynch him puts you in my Suspicious Book, Clanky. Edit: Bit that got cut out for some reason. Snoopy, stop hinting your knowledge. Doing that normally ends with a knife in your back or a noose around your neck. Edited February 6, 2015 by Lightsworn Panda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipper Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 (edited) Why does that mean I'm suspect? If I do have information like you suggest, that would seem to imply that I am not Evil-Team. You are not being logical. I thought I should vote for Sarcomere, but now I'm not sure. Also, you can probably contribute some of that to a noob being a showoff. Edit: ninja'd Edited February 6, 2015 by Snoopy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightsworn Panda Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Why does that mean I'm suspect? If I do have information like you suggest, that would seem to imply that I am not Evil-Team. You are not being logical. I thought I should vote for Sarcomere, but now I'm not sure. Also, you can probably contribute some of that to a noob being a showoff. Edit: ninja'd Or it could mean that you're lying and you're on Team Evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipper Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 (edited) It could always mean that. However, looking back at the stuff I said, it really doesn't seem logical to connect me with Evil. If Clanky would explain his logic connecting me with Evil, I would love to hear it. Edit for blue. And Lightsworn, thanks for the advice. I realized that too late, apparently. Edited February 6, 2015 by Snoopy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightsworn Panda Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 It could always mean that. However, looking back at the stuff I said, it really doesn't seem logical to connect me with Evil. If Clanky would explain his logic connecting me with Evil, I would love to hear it. Edit for blue. There generally isn't enough information at this point of the game to connect someone with Team Evil. However, remember that in Sanderson Elimination, it's always good to stay suspicious of everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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