Long Game 110? [Sign Ups]: Termina Abandoned (A Majora's Mask Mafia Adventure)

[Archer he/him]

Best wishes to you both. 

9 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

That was my point. We presumably don't want the holder of the Blast Mask to claim if they are a likely NK target. Consequently, we should avoid sending PMs or otherwise using abilities on any confirmed villagers.

This is more sensible, however, BM won't be equipped until tomorrow, so go wild tonight. I do think it's worth intentionally exploding Blast Mask and Postman N3, but not until then @Mistfallen Soldier. You're capped at 5 messages per round anyway, so we can coordinate once we see there's been two elim night kills. 

[Amanuensis he/him]

2 hours ago, Archer said:

Best wishes to you both. 

This is more sensible, however, BM won't be equipped until tomorrow, so go wild tonight. I do think it's worth intentionally exploding Blast Mask and Postman N3, but not until then @Mistfallen Soldier. You're capped at 5 messages per round anyway, so we can coordinate once we see there's been two elim night kills. 

To bring up the OoA again:

Postman Receives PMs >
Worn Mask Passive Effects >
Circus Leader Mask Theft / Keaton Mask Redirect / Bremen's Mask Roleblock >
Equip / Unequip Mask >
Execution / Night Kill >
Great Fairy / Mask of Truth Results >
Postman Delivers PMs >
Mask of Scents Tracking

What this means is that if a passive effect Mask (such as Blast or Gero) was equipped the previous turn to Circus Leader / Keaton / Bremen, those 3 Masks will trigger the passive. But if the Mask is being equipped after Theft / Redirect / Roleblock, the equip action itself can be interfered with before the passive effect is triggered

However, if the Blast Mask or Don Gero Mask is equipped the same turn as a Night Kill / Great Fairy / Mask of Truth / Postman delivery / Mask of Scents tracking happens to them, the passive effect will be triggered

If this rule set was ever rerun or repurposed for another setting, I'd probably change the rules to automatically equip the first Mask purchased, but sadly I already made that call in Loop 1 and can't easily hotfix it like the Bunny Hood, given the butterfly effect. Especially since I did also rule Loop 1 that Hats do equip automatically (Bunny, Postman, Captain)

Hindsight is 20/20 and all that

Edited March 2 by Amanuensis

[Myst He/Him]

Kieran scrambled through the city. Pushing through the people frantically moving. Everyone he’d talked to hadn’t known what was happening, just that they needed to move. Something about the North Gate being safe or something like that.

It wasn’t like Kieran had any better info, so even if they were mis-informed, they still knew more about what was happening than he did.

He’d heard some people mention that something had happened to Commander Vicsen, and considering there was a giant explosion… it wasn’t hard to guess what.

”Either way, I have to get out of here, got to go North”

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Squircle had been asking a lot of questions lately.

It was understandable, perhaps. Many people forgot things between loops. It was certainly nothing to do with the fact that he was still wearing the Drake Mask.

He asked about the time loop, how it worked. He asked about the calamity, how it happened. He asked how they could stop it. He listened attentively and took all the answers in stride with a detached calm. It was a little unnerving.

The particular situation was quite unfamiliar, but he was no stranger to strangeness.

Occasionally, he would blurt out phrases that didn't make sense, stringing together words like "elims" and "pocketing." He explained that this was the mask's fault and the townspeople should pay it no mind.

Squircle was embroiled in a spirited discussion with the Happy Mask Salesman when the evacuation order came. He shook his head and looked around, noticing that most of the people were already gone. The Happy Mask Salesman was feverishly packing up, too. They would have to close a deal another time.

The exact nature of the threat was vague. The guards had, understandably, been in a hurry.

"Something terrible comes at sunset," Squircle guessed. "The elims always act at night," he muttered to himself.

There wasn't much time. They wouldn't get everyone out of town by then.

He looked for a way out.

"This way!" he called out to the other stragglers.

He stopped at the brink of a dark tunnel mouth. Somebody had helpfully left the hidden entrance exposed, and the passageway looked well-constructed.

"A faster way out of town, I hope." There was always the chance that the mystery danger would come from the tunnels, but he'd have to take that chance.

There was an unlit torch stashed on the hidden side of the entrance. Squircle grabbed it and lit it, then advanced into the unknown.

[Stick. she/her]

16 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

• (5) Divergent: Araris, Haelbarde, TUM, coco, Archer,
• (4) Burnt:  Divergent, Doc, Wonko, Ashbringer, 
• (2) Mistfallen: Warheit, Stick, 
• (1) TJ: Burnt, 
• (1) Stick: Mistfallen,  

I haven’t properly read the eod from last turn yet just looking at this vc i townread everyone on burnt and half of the divergent wagon (excluding the conf villa) is from my poe pool

 

Mistfallen wagon is also pure…. but that’s just my opinion 

 

@Burnt Spaghetti why no self pres? Idr what ur read on divergent was 

[Amanuensis he/him]

~6 hours and 45 minutes remain in the Night to earn activity Rupees, bid for Masks, send PMs, or submit actions.

---

Ap the Apprentice

The North Gate was the only one still standing.

Ap knew this with a look at the skyline behind her, the smoke rising from three directions at once, the West Ward still burning. The moon hung enormous overhead, its expression more furious than its usual curious. People were crying. Some were just moving, which was its own kind of noise.

The column had been going for a while. She found the end of it past the gate — the tail end of a long procession of wagons and horses and people on foot, moving north in the dark. Two figures were standing just off the road, watching the gate, waiting.

She recognized Amora before she recognized Danna.

Amora saw her at roughly the same moment and crossed the distance between them fast, her relief visible and unguarded. She gripped Thistle's arm, then Cindra's, then looked at Zymni and back at all of them with the expression of someone who had been doing arithmetic about who was missing and had just improved the numbers.

Danna was watching. She looked at Ap, at the group, and her eyes stopped on Link the Goron with the particular attention of someone cataloguing who is and isn't present. "Have any of you seen Commander Vicsen?" she asked.

Link told her. Briefly, the same way he'd told it before, but his tone dripping with reverence and determination. The dungeon, the charges, the flash. Vicsen died, perhaps unnecessarily, to save the Goron's life. He was a true hero, for any reasonable definition of the word.

Danna absorbed it without looking away from him. Her jaw was set. She already had the look of a grieving widow and now that grief multiplied twofold. She was small in the dark, standing at the edge of a ruined city, and she gazed into it longingly. Perhaps wishing to join her Commander.

"Quartermaster Sakon has arranged refuge at the Goron Village," she finally said after a respectful, self-collecting pause. "He's sending his own goods up by wagon and offered to take civilians alongside. It's a long march but there are horses and carts for those who need them." She looked at the group. "All of you are welcome. We're moving now — stay behind the last wagon and keep pace."

She turned to Amora briefly, something passing between them that didn't need words, and then she started walking.

---

The icy half of Termina Field arrived without announcement, right where the road crested a low ridge and the air changed. Ap's breath fogged in front of her. The ground under her boots went from dead grass to frost to a thin crust of snow in the space of a few hundred yards. Around her, people pulled blankets tighter and tucked their hands into their sleeves and said nothing.

The moon lit the field silver. That was the one thing about it she couldn't call terrible — the light it gave, clean and even, no shadows to stumble in. She tried not to think about the face.

She had time to think about other things.

Darmani's grave was in Snowhead. Her grandfather had said so plainly — he'd returned the Goron Mask there out of respect when the Hero of Time left, which is also where he'd gone after obtaining Odolwa's Mask in Woodfall. She had heard the story enough times to know the shape of what came next, if the pattern continued. Snowhead Temple. Goht.

She was not the Hero of Time. She knew that. But the mask had worked for her and the ocarina had worked for her and here she was, walking north in the snow, which was more or less exactly where the story said to be.

And then there was the BSSJ. Kashika had mentioned them in the palace — cells in every region of Termina, though recently concentrated in Snowhead for their Annual Summit, and her grandfather had called them allies despite everything Bremor had done to paint them as terrorists. The explosives tonight were supposed to be framed on them, she was certain. If she could find their contact in Snowhead, if she could explain what she knew—

Two goals, then. The mask and the Bombers. She resolved to find them both and kept walking.

Snow picked up off the slope ahead, coming sideways in gusts. Someone near the front of the column called back that they could see the smithy lights. A sound moved through the march — not quite cheering, something smaller and more honest than that, the noise people make when they've been cold for a long time and warmth is finally specific and close.

Ap looked up at the mountain's peak, invisible behind the shadows of a dark cloud, and thought about what was up there waiting.

She pulled her cap down and walked.

Edited March 2 by Amanuensis

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

14 hours ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

PMs count as targeting. We can’t PM them if they have the mask. If we do, the postmaster explodes and we lose PMs forever 

that's so cursed 

14 hours ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

So. If both the postmaster and the blast mask wearer are Elims, it means we win the loop, if one’s Elim and one isn’t, that generally goes in our favor. If it’s two village, I don’t think it changes anything…. 

If I adjust the numbers in the spreadsheet from the signup, the results stay the same. 4-4 and a 5-3, the Elims win, if it’s 6-2 or 7-1 we still win… I think it might be in our favor….

@Ashbringer @Wahrheitswächter @The Unknown Medallion

If any of you have the Blast mask, either PM me that, or say it in thread, because otherwise I’m targeting everyone and everything with PMs

Edit 2: or the Postman hat, since they’ll go exploding as well

The different outcomes you're describing aren't equally likely. The one where it kills 2 villagers is the most likely, and the one where it kills 2 elims is the least likely. Because most people are villagers, a random shot usually hits villagers.

On average, a completely random kill does not influence parity. However, note that the overall number of deaths does actually impact the village's chances of winning. Loop 1 was more favourable for the village due to there being 1 less death, even though it was 1 less execution the village got to wield. Extra executions are usually a net plus for the village but not this time. Usually I'd be all for the bloodthirsty approach but are we sure adding deaths is the play in this setup?

Also, the alignments of the victims of this strategy isn't strictly random. I somewhat doubt the elims would pick up the Blast Mask. That mask is not very helpful to elims. Yes there's the world where they buy it just to look village, or to keep it out of village hands, but it's still a 20 rupee expense and personally I feel that's not as likely.

If my understanding of the rules is correct, the Blast Mask user could also just not equip the mask, and nobody explodes. And I doubt they have a death wish. Pragmatically, that seems like the most likely outcome here: the Blast Mask user is too afraid to use their mask since from their point of view it's not so good for their team. I think that's a situation that favours the elims, since they don't have to fear retaliation to their kills.

I'm sorry but I'm not really a supporter of this plan 

7 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Uhh guys something I just thought of

Dont we have to kill, like, 2 elims to win a Boss Mask?

So, even if we won it last time, it’s still possible that one of those deaths was an elim…

Who is this 'we' you speak of smh

I did not win it last time

[Amanuensis he/him]

4 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

that's so cursed 

Just be glad I didn't rule that votes count as targeting  though I still think I should have...

If y'all want to deal with the consequences of that, I shall allow a overmajority petition

Edited March 2 by Amanuensis

[Myst He/Him]

1 minute ago, DrakeMarshall said:

that's so cursed 

The different outcomes you're describing aren't equally likely. The one where it kills 2 villagers is the most likely, and the one where it kills 2 elims is the least likely. Because most people are villagers, a random shot usually hits villagers.

On average, a completely random kill does not influence parity. However, note that the overall number of deaths does actually impact the village's chances of winning. Loop 1 was more favourable for the village due to there being 1 less death, even though it was 1 less execution the village got to wield. Extra executions are usually a net plus for the village but not this time. Usually I'd be all for the bloodthirsty approach but are we sure adding deaths is the play in this setup?

Also, the alignments of the victims of this strategy isn't strictly random. I somewhat doubt the elims would pick up the Blast Mask. That mask is not very helpful to elims. Yes there's the world where they buy it just to look village, or to keep it out of village hands, but it's still a 20 rupee expense and personally I feel that's not as likely.

If my understanding of the rules is correct, the Blast Mask user could also just not equip the mask, and nobody explodes. And I doubt they have a death wish. Pragmatically, that seems like the most likely outcome here: the Blast Mask user is too afraid to use their mask since from their point of view it's not so good for their team. I think that's a situation that favours the elims, since they don't have to fear retaliation to their kills.

I'm sorry but I'm not really a supporter of this plan 

Who is this 'we' you speak of smh

I did not win it last time

You’re right, it probably won’t affect much, which is why I’m saying we should do it. We’ll still have to exe 2 Elims either way. In the case of a double villager exe it still means we have a higher likelihood of voting out an Elim.

Loop 1 was favorable because that one less death affected the amount of Elims we had to exe, here it doesn’t 

And yeah, it’s possible the blast mask doesn’t equip it.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

2 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

You’re right, it probably won’t affect much, which is why I’m saying we should do it. We’ll still have to exe 2 Elims either way. In the case of a double villager exe it still means we have a higher likelihood of voting out an Elim.

Loop 1 was favorable because that one less death affected the amount of Elims we had to exe, here it doesn’t 

And yeah, it’s possible the blast mask doesn’t equip it.

Okay I’ve done the math and it’s true that 2 random deaths does actually favour the village in this case.

well, one caveat - if we don’t have any extra deaths, we can win by blocking a single elim kill and executing a single elim, instead of executing 2 elims. This is what I was aiming for with the Bremen mask, which I think is extremely good value for its cost. Additional village deaths shuts the door on this path to victory.

But if we are not able to prevent any kills, a few random deaths is in fact good for the village. Since we need 8/2 to win, and 6/2 is still a win.

…second caveat though is that a 6/2 win is technically worse than an 8/2 win since the suspect pool for the 2 elims is bigger. But I do think it’s still probably worth it because I’m not confident we can pull any sort of win from this loop.

A consequence of the parity condition is there’s some funky discrete cutoffs in whether more death helps the village or not.

anyways, you are correct that more deaths is basically a good idea, I guess

I still think the Blast Mask user might disagree. Either they’re village and they know one of those deaths won’t help, or they’re evil and I doubt they would helpfully let themselves be killed. One way or another I somewhat doubt we’ll see any fireworks tonight.

still, I guess the more deaths there are the more clears we get if we lose the loop, so it’s also better for hedging against a loss.

fine, the plan isn’t quite as crazy as it sounds

[Myst He/Him]

43 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Okay I’ve done the math and it’s true that 2 random deaths does actually favour the village in this case.

well, one caveat - if we don’t have any extra deaths, we can win by blocking a single elim kill and executing a single elim, instead of executing 2 elims. This is what I was aiming for with the Bremen mask, which I think is extremely good value for its cost. Additional village deaths shuts the door on this path to victory.

But if we are not able to prevent any kills, a few random deaths is in fact good for the village. Since we need 8/2 to win, and 6/2 is still a win.

…second caveat though is that a 6/2 win is technically worse than an 8/2 win since the suspect pool for the 2 elims is bigger. But I do think it’s still probably worth it because I’m not confident we can pull any sort of win from this loop.

A consequence of the parity condition is there’s some funky discrete cutoffs in whether more death helps the village or not.

anyways, you are correct that more deaths is basically a good idea, I guess

I still think the Blast Mask user might disagree. Either they’re village and they know one of those deaths won’t help, or they’re evil and I doubt they would helpfully let themselves be killed. One way or another I somewhat doubt we’ll see any fireworks tonight.

still, I guess the more deaths there are the more clears we get if we lose the loop, so it’s also better for hedging against a loss.

fine, the plan isn’t quite as crazy as it sounds

It’s surprisingly not a bad idea, I know. The numbers work out. Yes it is a larger pool for the two Elims to be in. But say we have a 6/2 win. That’s actually 6/2 alive group and a 6/2 dead group. So even if we’re so confused by one group we have another with equal odds.

As for if we lose(I.e a 7/1 dead group or a 8/0 dead group) we have a 5/3 or 4/4 alive group and I personally like those numbers

Edit: blast mask person please wear your mask, you could catch an NK, or we could purposefully detonate to help solve. Even if you’re village it still helps

Edited March 2 by Mistfallen Soldier

[Araris Valerian he/him]

1 hour ago, Stick. said:

I haven’t properly read the eod from last turn yet just looking at this vc i townread everyone on burnt and half of the divergent wagon (excluding the conf villa) is from my poe pool

I certainly have mixed feelings about how much traction my vote on Divergent ended up gaining. I didn’t feel like I’d made much of a compelling case and I kinda brushed off Divergent’s response to my vote. In the case of e!Divergent I’d expect someone to point that out. There was a dynamic of the Mistfallen train collapsing which can explain some of the movement, but not all of it. I’m also pretty wary of both coco and Archer.

If Divergent was actually village, then we don’t really learn much about Burnt’s alignment, but it does suggest 1-2 elims voting on Divergent. If Divergent and Burnt are both village, that would suggest a team of Doc/Wonko/Archer/coco. Hael could swap in for either of the latter two but I’m still thinking that the elims are much more on the active side of things. I’m a little wary of saying both Wonko and Archer are elims because of their D1a interactions though. Archer could definitely pull that off as an elim but idk if he would bother.

I guess we should consider if we think the elims split their votes 3/1, 2/2, or 2/1/1. I’ve been kinda assuming the 2/2 split but maybe someone has an argument for something else. Technically 1/1/1/1 is possible but that requires a Stick/Mist/Burnt team. And of course Hoid and Drake could be elims.

[Through the living Wahr He/Him]

It was cold when they left the city throug the North Gate, Wahi had thought about bringing a Weapon but not about something warm to wear, he stayed near the Supply Wagons in case anything happened, he had the feeling the next day would not be uneventfull

 

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Okay I've skimmed real quick across Day 3A. Don't get used to it, I don't like all this backreading

I'm surprised by how many people thought Wahr was evil.

I liked Araris' posting. Kind of weird, I'm not used to getting a good read on him. Still.

TJ seemed defensive in multiple cases and I think what a player experiencing low bandwidth spends their limited bandwidth on is telling.

Other than that, let's talk about the vote tallies:

 

Day 3A Vote Count:

(3) TUM: Archer, Mistfallen, coco
(3) Haelbarde: Divergent, Stick, Hoid Slayer
(1) Doc: Wonko
(1) coco: Araris
(1) Divergent: TJ
(1) TJ: Doc
(4) Not Voting: TUM, Haelbarde, Burnt, Coder (yep I'm greening my own slot deal with it)

 

I would characterize this as a low-tempo vote. The leading trains were only 3 votes, with plenty of scatter in the side-trains. One of the leading candidates volunteered to be voted out, and folks shrugged and assented. Neither of the leading candidates were voting. There was one vote placed 15 minutes before the turn ended tying it up but no major flurry of activity, and no one seemed that urgent (possibly relating back to the fact that folks thought Wahr was evil and they had already won the loop?). The point is, this was not a hotly contested vote.

If we've established that the elims were going for a win on the first loop, and there had been zero elim deaths up to this point, this is not what a Village/Elim tie should look like. Imo, this is obviously a tie between 2 villagers, which makes Hael a villager. You don't have to agree but that's my take on it.

Imo, the elims probably weren't pushing hard to control the outcome, especially since TUM offered himself up like that. They were probably in distancing mode.

Since they weren't throwing their weight around and were trying to blend in, I predict that their votes were pretty evenly scattered across the options. It's not the only option, but it's probably what they default to in this scenario. I doubt they're all on main wagons, or all on side wagons, or all not voting.

Side-wagons is probably technically the most suspicious place to be, since it's doing something without interfering with the misvote. Also because I think most of the non-voters were village, although Burnt could definitely be evil. Side-wagon voters are Wonko, Araris, TJ, and Doc. I have a positive read of Wonko and Araris at the moment.

Crem List: Burnt, TJ, Doc

I think at least 1 elim was probably on the main wagons though.

[coco.pudding she/they]

2 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

Just be glad I didn't rule that votes count as targeting  though I still think I should have...

If y'all want to deal with the consequences of that, I shall allow a overmajority petition

That would be absolutely hilarious. Incredibly cursed but can you imagine an entire vote train just going boom

35 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

I certainly have mixed feelings about how much traction my vote on Divergent ended up gaining. I didn’t feel like I’d made much of a compelling case and I kinda brushed off Divergent’s response to my vote. In the case of e!Divergent I’d expect someone to point that out. There was a dynamic of the Mistfallen train collapsing which can explain some of the movement, but not all of it. I’m also pretty wary of both coco and Archer.

I do feel like it’s a bit weird how big it got. Yes, I did vote on that train. However, I did that vote when (I think) there were only 2 votes there and I wanted to make a tie, as I was curious which of those two would go out in that case and didn’t have particularly strong feelings either way. Then I left and when I got back after rollover there was a huge train and a bunch of last minute changes. So yes I do agree with you I don’t love what happened there either. 
I know you’ve been pretty consistently wary of me throughout the game, it seems to mostly be based on votes, but I do feel like that’s a bit weird since you’ve also voted on two of the trains I’ve been on. So what about how I’m voting is making you wary? Or is it something entirely different?

——————

As the convoy progresses, Amora stays near the back, watching out for any danger approaching from behind them, or for stragglers who may need help catching up. She had once again collected a sword on her way out of town, knowing all too well she may need to use it before the night is out.

She had taken the news of Vicsen’s death stoically, but it had hit her harder than she’d like to admit. He was a good man, and his expertise and leadership had been instrumental in their survival the first time. She is sure Danna is competent, but being thrust into leadership like that is difficult, as is losing a mentor. Perhaps Amora can help her through that, when the moment is right.

But for now, she simply walks, hand on her sword, and watches their surroundings alertly. She does not want to be caught unawares again. Last time that did not end well, and if she has a chance for a do-over, she’s going to do better.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

2 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

Just be glad I didn't rule that votes count as targeting  though I still think I should have...

If y'all want to deal with the consequences of that, I shall allow a overmajority petition

I vote for it!

OP Blast Mask

[Doc12]

Explosions. 

Again, again, again. 

When the manor had exploded before them, Thistle felt - it wasn't deja-vu, they'd been in the square last...time, but that feeling of terror, loss, helplessness, it all came crashing back. Hiding from Peahats and Wolfos. Cowering when that Giant killed and killed and killed. 

Firstly, they had to make sure Zymni and Ap were alright. Cindra was already up, speaking to a Goron. Zymni was cowering from the sudden burst of light, but seemed alert. Ap had been knocked on her feet, but was already coming to. Good, that was good. 

it was odd, this feeling. Feeling like they were already doomed. Remembering how they had broken down and been useless and now it was happening again. They felt... not entirely in control of their body, even as their feet started running, taking them towards Fairy Flowers. 

They had to pack. They were going to evacuate. Thistle now knew exactly how valuable all these herbs and flowers were going to be. They wanted to bring even more than what they had packed the first time, but their bag was only so big... 

Then Cindra and Zymni were at the door - Cindra falling into step beside them and helping the packing, then they were at the North Gate, heading who knows where. Surprisingly not the Deku Forest this time. Somewhere else. Thistle didn't care enough to ask. 

They just kept looking back at burning Clock Town, and wondering when they were going to fall apart this time. 

[Amanuensis he/him]

~4 hours remain in the Night to earn activity Rupees, bid for Masks, send PMs, or submit actions.

• (1) OP Blast Mask: TUM, 

Edited March 2 by Amanuensis

[Myst He/Him]

OP Blast Mask

Kieran made it to the North gate, gasping… that… had been terrifying. He could see a group of people departing in the distance, he didn’t know where they were going, but it had to be better than here.

”Wait!” He called, “Wait for me!”

He started running again, trying to catch up, his breathing still heavy from getting there

[Doc12]

So I've kind of gathered 3 snapshots of the vote last cycle when it looked unchanged for a bit, trying to pay attention to the final big shifts because while there are probably elims early in respective trains, it's the last minute scrambling that reveals motives. 

Mistfallen train, early D1

Mist - Wonko (Mist has been off), Ash (more specifics on Mist's claims), Wahr (voting on the two exes), Stick (surprise attack)

Dive - Araris (L1 interaction)

Wonko - me (discussion)

 

Shift to Burnt, mid d1

Burnt (4) - Archer (First on poe list) Dive (good readlist but hasn't done anything with it) Me (PoE) Ash (no reason given)

Stick (2)  - Mistfallen (joining train), Wonko (Mist train wasn't being opposed)

Dive (2)  - Araris, Hael (coasting)

Mist (2) - Wahr, Stick

Stick becomes an option, Hael joins Araris on Dive. Archer suggests Burnt through PoE, and Dive and me agree. Ash and Wonko hop off Mist. 

Big impacts here is Archer suggesting Burnt, Dive and me joining, and Wonko jumping off Mist. 

 

Shift to Dive, late d1

Dive (5) Araris, Hael, TUM (dive over stick, vibes), Coco (dive over burnt), Archer (sheep)

Burnt (3) Dive, me, Wonko (push for Dive is weird)

Mist (2) Wahr, Stick

TJ (2) Burnt, Ash (Tj over Burnt)

Stick (1) Mist

So the big impacts at EoD are TUM, Coco, Ash, and Archer. TUM and Ash are confirmed village, so Coco and Archer. In particular, the way Coco joined the Dive train and Archer left Burnt for Dive. 

e!Mist world - The Mist train kind of collapsed on its own after it was up most of the first half of the day and people felt increasingly weird about it. There's a simple world where Mist is actually elim and banked on people chickening out as it went unopposed. Alternatively, Archer and one of me or Dive decided to push for someone else mid-day, and got some traction. 

e!Burnt world - In an e!Burnt world, Mist is probably v! because there's no sense in starting a second e!train. Not much to read on the pile of votes. She got up to 4 votes while Stick and Dive built up to 2 votes each. In an e!Burnt world, I would suspect Archer and Coco for building up the Dive train end of day. 

e!Dive world - e!Dive would clear almost everyone on that train and Burnt because it could so easily have been Burnt as well. 

It's funny because TUM and Ash are above suspicion even though I'd be the most suspicious of them. But now I just have Archer and Coco. Of those two, Archer behaved a lot more erratically, jumping on Dive for sheep reasons and then being sad they didn't get the chance to jump back on Burnt with Ash. Wonko was there as well, but wasn't as impactful as Burnt at that point only had 2 votes and they couldn't change much. 

I think we should try exeing Burnt again tomorrow and seeing how that turns out.

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

3 hours ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Who is this 'we' you speak of smh

I did not win it last time

Mb guys that was a slip of the tongue I swear I’m not elim

11 hours ago, Stick. said:

edit:

So On loop 1 we needed to only kill 1, due to the 2.5 parity rule and there being no exe D1 

Ok

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

3 hours ago, Stick. said:

I haven’t properly read the eod from last turn yet just looking at this vc i townread everyone on burnt and half of the divergent wagon (excluding the conf villa) is from my poe pool

 

Mistfallen wagon is also pure…. but that’s just my opinion 

 

@Burnt Spaghetti why no self pres? Idr what ur read on divergent was 

mostly just interested in seeing what happens, and if i die i get dead doc and if we win then i've been able to talk to elims in the dead doc and will have actual read info to go off, so. eh? I had no mask so didn't make a difference in that regard if i died and lost that. I mean i had mild self pres? I was paying attention to post counts so did try and make sure i had a bunch so that if i hit tie i had a better chance. But yeah, ultimately, for my play style, being able to talk to potential elims in docs or pms is my element. And pms are not really coming my way so far, so the docs my best chance. Its one of those things where, I realise me dying doesn't help village win, but for me personally, theres benefit to me dying vs another villager. As it happens i was a little sus of divergent from voting patterns so I didn't mind them dying, but also as i said last cycle, i had no strong feelings about anyones alignment. So I just put my trust in yall to be better at reading things than me >.> 

11 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

So I've kind of gathered 3 snapshots of the vote last cycle when it looked unchanged for a bit, trying to pay attention to the final big shifts because while there are probably elims early in respective trains, it's the last minute scrambling that reveals motives. 

Mistfallen train, early D1

Mist - Wonko (Mist has been off), Ash (more specifics on Mist's claims), Wahr (voting on the two exes), Stick (surprise attack)

Dive - Araris (L1 interaction)

Wonko - me (discussion)

 

Shift to Burnt, mid d1

Burnt (4) - Archer (First on poe list) Dive (good readlist but hasn't done anything with it) Me (PoE) Ash (no reason given)

Stick (2)  - Mistfallen (joining train), Wonko (Mist train wasn't being opposed)

Dive (2)  - Araris, Hael (coasting)

Mist (2) - Wahr, Stick

Stick becomes an option, Hael joins Araris on Dive. Archer suggests Burnt through PoE, and Dive and me agree. Ash and Wonko hop off Mist. 

Big impacts here is Archer suggesting Burnt, Dive and me joining, and Wonko jumping off Mist. 

 

Shift to Dive, late d1

Dive (5) Araris, Hael, TUM (dive over stick, vibes), Coco (dive over burnt), Archer (sheep)

Burnt (3) Dive, me, Wonko (push for Dive is weird)

Mist (2) Wahr, Stick

TJ (2) Burnt, Ash (Tj over Burnt)

Stick (1) Mist

So the big impacts at EoD are TUM, Coco, Ash, and Archer. TUM and Ash are confirmed village, so Coco and Archer. In particular, the way Coco joined the Dive train and Archer left Burnt for Dive. 

e!Mist world - The Mist train kind of collapsed on its own after it was up most of the first half of the day and people felt increasingly weird about it. There's a simple world where Mist is actually elim and banked on people chickening out as it went unopposed. Alternatively, Archer and one of me or Dive decided to push for someone else mid-day, and got some traction. 

e!Burnt world - In an e!Burnt world, Mist is probably v! because there's no sense in starting a second e!train. Not much to read on the pile of votes. She got up to 4 votes while Stick and Dive built up to 2 votes each. In an e!Burnt world, I would suspect Archer and Coco for building up the Dive train end of day. 

e!Dive world - e!Dive would clear almost everyone on that train and Burnt because it could so easily have been Burnt as well. 

It's funny because TUM and Ash are above suspicion even though I'd be the most suspicious of them. But now I just have Archer and Coco. Of those two, Archer behaved a lot more erratically, jumping on Dive for sheep reasons and then being sad they didn't get the chance to jump back on Burnt with Ash. Wonko was there as well, but wasn't as impactful as Burnt at that point only had 2 votes and they couldn't change much. 

I think we should try exeing Burnt again tomorrow and seeing how that turns out.

 

I have mixed feelings. Feeling 1 - me dying bad, that mean not elim dead. Feeling 2 - But that means i have a doc to chatter in. Feeling 3 - from a not me perspective, it makes sense to kill me next. Given the sheer and absolute chaos of that last cycle, i would be stunned if both dive and me were both village. Because the heck was that. I cant imagine elims being so wild about the votes if we are both good, that seems much more like a village struggling with indecision. The only thing is, with the neutral 3rd party hat on, i also dont see a world where both dive and me are evil. Obvs im not evil, but again, neutral outside party hat looking in here - if theres an elim, the votes were too hot for me to think all the exe trains were on evils. So. If we are confident in the dive vote, and we assume only one of us is evil, is it then a waste of an exe to make sure we got one? Does mean we need to shoot perfect day 3. Yeah, if dives good it would make sense to exe me, then either way you probably have one elim dead, so either way, day 3 must be perfect. But with so many masks in play, i'm sure we're bound to hit something. Don gero, scents, role blocks, blasts. I will be again stunned if we dont find a elim with one of those this loop. With these all in play, I honestly feel that regardless of the result of this loop we are going to know who to kill moving forwards for sure.

Also the contrast lol. You want my head while our characters are being besties 

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Ap was okay. Thistles herbs were secured. They were out. This was something. Cindra had filled her pockets with some of what didn't fit in Thistles bags. There had been less panic and more purpose, and Cindra felt that this was good. But now there were off again.  Northwards. Away from the flames into the cold.  I'm going to miss my fluffy blanket so much... Cindra missed her bed. By the nature of when the loop reset, she had already been out and about. She hadn't gotten to go back to her home.  And again she didn't know what her use would be in this trip. She played music. She had good breath control from the flute, so maybe she should invest in a blow pipe or something? Her arms had some strength from having to maintain good posture and the flute raised for long periods of time so that was something too. As they walked, she paused and picked up a largish stick. Best be prepared incase they get attacked on the road again she thought.

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

@Stick. I'm so sorry you're caught in the middle of that. Stay safe.

I think everyone's forgetting that if the Blast Mask kills two villagers, that means it's broken forever and ISN'T around to hit the one thing we KNOW will be targeting someone every night: the EK. I see the ratio arguments for why it might be good for the village that the Blast Mask and Postman both die, but I think it's outweighed by the fact that this gambit loses us one of the most powerful anti-elim masks we have access to.

I'm not saying people shouldn't be making the most of your PMs, but maybe we shouldn't be spraying them out like buckshot in a deliberate attempt to destroy one of our best tools?

@Doc12, agreed. I'm very much in favor of a Burnt exe now. 

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Zymni scowled into the night as she followed the refugees out of the city. She'd been too slow. She'd failed to identify the Song-player before the city blew up again. Now she was following this strange girl, Ap, on some hare-brained quest to save the kingdom.

Well, at least this time, she was actually with the caravan. Maybe she'd get lucky, and the mystery musician was somewhere among them again, ready to play the Song again in two days when the world ended. She could only hope that the girl Ap didn't actually SUCCEED in her quest -- if the world didn't end again, how would Zymni ever identify the person who could send her home?

[Doc12]

46 minutes ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

Also the contrast lol. You want my head while our characters are being besties 

47 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said:

I think everyone's forgetting that if the Blast Mask kills two villagers, that means it's broken forever and ISN'T around to hit the one thing we KNOW will be targeting someone every night: the EK. I see the ratio arguments for why it might be good for the village that the Blast Mask and Postman both die, but I think it's outweighed by the fact that this gambit loses us one of the most powerful anti-elim masks we have access to.

I'm not saying people shouldn't be making the most of your PMs, but maybe we shouldn't be spraying them out like buckshot in a deliberate attempt to destroy one of our best tools?

Honestly surprised the postmaster hasn't popped up to protest that we're discussing sending them at the blast mask XD I'd be upset. 

46 minutes ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

Ap was okay. Thistles herbs were secured. They were out. This was something. Cindra had filled her pockets with some of what didn't fit in Thistles bags. There had been less panic and more purpose, and Cindra felt that this was good. But now there were off again.  Northwards. Away from the flames into the cold.  I'm going to miss my fluffy blanket so much... Cindra missed her bed. By the nature of when the loop reset, she had already been out and about. She hadn't gotten to go back to her home.  And again she didn't know what her use would be in this trip. She played music. She had good breath control from the flute, so maybe she should invest in a blow pipe or something? Her arms had some strength from having to maintain good posture and the flute raised for long periods of time so that was something too. As they walked, she paused and picked up a largish stick. Best be prepared incase they get attacked on the road again she thought.

48 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said:

Zymni scowled into the night as she followed the refugees out of the city. She'd been too slow. She'd failed to identify the Song-player before the city blew up again. Now she was following this strange girl, Ap, on some hare-brained quest to save the kingdom.

Well, at least this time, she was actually with the caravan. Maybe she'd get lucky, and the mystery musician was somewhere among them again, ready to play the Song again in two days when the world ended. She could only hope that the girl Ap didn't actually SUCCEED in her quest -- if the world didn't end again, how would Zymni ever identify the person who could send her home?

Noticing their friends begin to shiver, Thistle handed Cindra a spicy pepper. "It's not as effective on its own - you might actually want to hold onto it until we make camp and I can cook it into some meat skewers, but if you're too cold a hot pepper is just the thing to warm you up."

They looked around at the ragtag group. They were beginning to recognize more people. One of the two Goron that had been fighting at the temple. The group of Zora, including the one that disappeared in the night. Kieran and Amora, walking alongside the Clock Wards, looking to the world like trained soldiers themselves. 

Old Arenta, Ouae the chef, that other man who had been helping Ap before... 

They were definitely heading towards the mountains. Ap said something about another Temple, another Mask. A Quest. 

Thistle didn't want to be on a quest. 

They trudged, still holding firmly to Zymni. Still looking to Cindra and Amora for strength. Can't think about what's ahead. Can't think about what's being left behind. Right here are people who cared for them. People they cared for. 

Just keep... walking. 

So tired. 

Next time - if there was a next time - that they woke up in their own bed, with Zymni pounding at the door... they might just decide to sleep in another hour. 

[Ashbringer he/him]

Coliver looked out at the city engulfed in flame and smoke. They'd gotten out. They'd actually gotten out.

"Good thing we left when we did, eh?" Vale said, absentmindedly rubbing the back of her head. Coliver had prioritized getting her out, and maybe a bit too hurriedly; she'd filled in her and Makazi on what she'd... remembered... and perhaps rushed to explain how Vale never made it out of the city. The explosions gave her enough credence to get them to leave, but now things were unraveling a bit.

There was about ten of them, in all. Coliver, Makazi, Vale, the three Goron family members, Tormarin, and three other confused Terminans that they'd nearly drug out of the South Gate. The South Gate that was now a collapsed pile of timber and fire.

"I thought you said everyone went this way?" Makazi said. "I- we did," was Coliver's response. "Something must have changed."

"Marton changed," was Makazi's morose response.

"Like I told you. That's not how Marton is. I don't even think that is Marton, anymore. Some spirit took his face." Coliver said it, but that didn't change the bit of... some emotion left in her. The bit of hope she'd had that Marton would be alright? Or the fact that the Marton of today didn't even seem like the one she'd avoided the time before?

They'd left him behind.

"Did he do this?" the Goron patriarch - Tersde, she knew his name now - said. "I invited him..."

"I... I don't know. I don't see how he could, but he's..." Tormarin started.

"We can talk about this later," Coliver said. "Most people went through the North Gate. I don't know how, but we need to catch up to them. Do you know the best way to get around the edge of city?"