Mid-Range Game 72: A Breath of Fresh Air

[The Wandering Wizard he/him]

4 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Guys I honestly have no idea what’s going on right now…

Welcome to the overwhelming craziness of your first game  

[Kasimir he/him]

60/40 divided.

My read is there's probably one Elim in TJ/Stick (60% world.) In that world, I probably lean on it being TJ but need to really think it through. I don't actually like Stick's pushing back on TJ like this and my immediate reflex was that the defensiveness reads Evil to me on a gut level, but Stick's proposal for those who have actually been paying attention was never meant to 'clear' players or out Elims in most worlds. It was meant to create a winning situation for the Village. This is why I was willing to lean V on her for the moment (again, Stick's too good a player for me to be complacent about the read.)

At the same time, I came off a game where the player who did that sort of pushback was actually Village and that player has certain similarities to Stick, including the fact they play in similar communities, so I don't know how confident to feel about it. I don't hate Wiz's vote as I think the tiebreak should be informative here regardless. (The player who she kind of pushed back on did the retaliatory vote that TJ's locked in.)

I don't super love TJ's Stick vote here - he's more willing to talk to Stick than he is to me, so this should indicate he thinks Stick is more likely V than me, so why is his vote on Stick and not on me? 

2 hours ago, |TJ| said:

I donno what the point of this is because you should be asleep and I should probably go to sleep after this post but -I meant like I'd probably stamp a v!read on you and then kill you, that's what I meant by least interactions.

This is the thing I'm referring to. TJ, I, maybe Stick (I think she's a bit better but so sue me, I'm scared of E!Stick  ) are in the same player bracket where a D1 push on us ain't great and usually doesn't end well for the Elim trying it, so if TJ thinks this is what E!him would do, why does he think that E!Stick or E!me deliberately avoid this? This is...the logical play in a thread/game that hasn't had a very active D1, considering Stick and I are making a decent chunk of thread volume/discussion pushing here.

40% world - I've seen kayana Village TJ where all his reads are just insanely off/weird, or rather I GMed that game. I don't know how great I feel about it because his accuracy seemed to be pretty okay in the mash he just finished playing. That's the one we really are V/V/V and the Elims are just sitting back and laughing as we sus/murder each other. I lean against it mostly because I think you have to start with the active Elim assumption then work around to inactivity. The trick is revising in decent time.

I'll note there's ruler's vote which has been pretty much a naked vote. In that world, ruler's probably one of the first few people I question. Wrt Polly, it's the Elim overcompliance issue.

Also - DK why TJ is settling on a 2 Elim world out the gate. You always play/plan for the worst scenario first. Where's the 2 Elim confidence coming from? You suddenly managed to clear the rest of the game while arguing with Stick?

Tonally I'd like to think TJ is Village here but I also have had the worst track record just running off tone, cf. LG96 (E!TJ), and a bunch of other games. But I'll probably make up my mind when I have the time to as I'm staring at this in between rushing some other stuff since I'm apparently popular this morning. I am not averse to a pivot but I'm still leaning towards probably one Elim in the two of them and I acknowledge it's just based off the nagging sense that interaction doesn't feel right.

@BridgeBoi Would your experience from last game give you some confidence in at least sharing your reads here? You did find Illwei after all, and it's important we keep discussing at the very least. 

[OoklaApologist She/her]

okay… analysis time 

<TJ, TUF, Stormy, BridgeBoi, Kas, Me, TWW, Ruler of the mists, raven, stink, stick, slayer>

Throwing myself out off the bat

Raven’s hyperparanoia around PMs is either amazing theatre or very village. Slight v lean

TUF’s post on mech is oddly controversial. V, if only for me because it doesn’t seem to accomplish much. It doesn’t ask for support or input, it doesn’t provide where he got the numbers, and most importantly, it doesn’t have a thesis. TUF says two breaths isn’t great, then doesn’t propose an alternative. An elim would have an angle, something they want done instead. TUF doesn’t.

<TJ,, Stormy, BridgeBoi, Kas,, TWW, Ruler of the mists, stink, stick, slayer>

Tuf and stick maybe v/e

Ash’s wifi works

Kas, you seem pretty v from how I’ve heard you act as a villager, and I have no reason to e-read you. Slight lean

I don’t see a stink/stick e/e world tbh. If stick flips e, idk what to do about stink. 

Stink and raven not e/e

Gut v on stink for PMs. Very tenuous 

And then, subtracting newbies and bb

<TJ, Stormy, TWW, stick>

The way trains are now, I can tie it back up by going on TJ, join a strong train on stick, or vanity vote on someone. 

I kind of want to avoid a tie, even if it’s all the same to me, because it feels bad, so let’s go with the path of least resistance 

Stick

In the time I took to write this, I got ninja’d by everyone. Thank you.

Goodnight

[Kasimir he/him]

Or, I guess Polly could just prevent me from having to make a judgement call, that's fine too  I'll take it!

[Ookla de los Cuervos he/him]

Ok, Im just gonna say this: I'm mostly sheeping off of Kas, but after reading through TJ's messages, I do feel like theyre elim, although the best idea i can put to that is a gut feeling. Im now nearly certain that Kas is V (though im not ruling out the possibility he's E), I dont think he'd be block posting if he was elim. 

1 minute ago, KelsierApologist said:

okay… analysis time 

<TJ, TUF, Stormy, BridgeBoi, Kas, Me, TWW, Ruler of the mists, raven, stink, stick, slayer>

Throwing myself out off the bat

Raven’s hyperparanoia around PMs is either amazing theatre or very village. Slight v lean

TUF’s post on mech is oddly controversial. V, if only for me because it doesn’t seem to accomplish much. It doesn’t ask for support or input, it doesn’t provide where he got the numbers, and most importantly, it doesn’t have a thesis. TUF says two breaths isn’t great, then doesn’t propose an alternative. An elim would have an angle, something they want done instead. TUF doesn’t.

<TJ,, Stormy, BridgeBoi, Kas,, TWW, Ruler of the mists, stink, stick, slayer>

Tuf and stick maybe v/e

Ash’s wifi works

Kas, you seem pretty v from how I’ve heard you act as a villager, and I have no reason to e-read you. Slight lean

I don’t see a stink/stick e/e world tbh. If stick flips e, idk what to do about stink. 

Stink and raven not e/e

Gut v on stink for PMs. Very tenuous 

And then, subtracting newbies and bb

<TJ, Stormy, TWW, stick>

The way trains are now, I can tie it back up by going on TJ, join a strong train on stick, or vanity vote on someone. 

I kind of want to avoid a tie, even if it’s all the same to me, because it feels bad, so let’s go with the path of least resistance 

Stick

In the time I took to write this, I got ninja’d by everyone. Thank you.

Goodnight

Look, Ive said it before, ill say it again, but ive been burned by people PMing me right off the bat. was it just once? i believe so. But still, I want to contribute, yk? Dont wanna accidently get pocketed \:P. 

 

 

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

1 hour ago, |TJ| said:

lmaoooooo :P. 

Legacy read if I die: PLEASE DO LOOK AT STICK AND KAS. ALSO POSSIBLE THAT ELIM TEAM COULD BE JUST A TWO- PERSON TEAM. 

@Kasimir v!Kas DO NOT FEEL GUILTY. uhh e!Kas also dont feel guilty

edit if merged: uhhhhhh is the cycle not over >>

edit2: 

*cries in embarrassment* recently finished a game on mu where everything's on ET so I just... thought... this is was on ET too >>  SMH .-.

I do have a feeling 2 elims might be the case.

You know what. Kas is going to hate this.

Stick

Never fails me. Except that one time. And that other time. 

Also my mental faculties may be compromised by my severe dehydrated and slightly malnourished state. But like I told Hoid, 

Kayana é o melhor.

Edit: Don't like Raven's insistence on sussing PMers. Don't know why, just feels off. Signing off.

[The Wandering Wizard he/him]

Well this will be interesting 

[Kasimir he/him]

4 minutes ago, The Unknown Flame said:

You know what. Kas is going to hate this.

Why am I gonna hate this?

[Ookla de los Cuervos he/him]

7 minutes ago, The Unknown Flame said:

I do have a feeling 2 elims might be the case.

You know what. Kas is going to hate this.

Stick

Never fails me. Except that one time. And that other time. 

Also my mental faculties may be compromised by my severe dehydrated and slightly malnourished state. But like I told Hoid, 

Kayana é o melhor.

Edit: Don't like Raven's insistence on sussing PMers. Don't know why, just feels off. Signing off.

guilty until felt out as innocent, thats my thoughts on it. STINK is clear, Polly, though... Im still just a little bit wary on. *sigh* im oddly paranoid about this, arent i....

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

9 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Why am I gonna hate this?

Ping me tomorrow an I promise I'll explain but I will forget about this and I need to sleep and I can't think straight bye 

[Kasimir he/him]

7 minutes ago, The Unknown Flame said:

Ping me tomorrow an I promise I'll explain but I will forget about this and I need to sleep and I can't think straight bye 

If I get NKed, someone ping him so I can read it from the dead doc, thanks.

[The Wandering Wizard he/him]

Stick

Polly

Any appetite for Polly?

[Kasimir he/him]

Quote

Stick (4): TJ, Hoid Slayer, Polly, TUF 
TJ (2): Stick, Kas
Polly (1): Wiz

AFAICT.

5 minutes ago, The Wandering Wizard said:

Stick

Polly

Any appetite for Polly?

I don't hate this as a vote, am not sure if I still feel E!Polly after her latest post, but also, Polly is one of our Breath givers rn and it's a bit late to orchestrate a pivot unless more people are around.

I also just...Part of TJ's post still bothers me tbh.

3 hours ago, |TJ| said:

@Kasimir v!Kas DO NOT FEEL GUILTY. uhh e!Kas also dont feel guilty

If you believe I am E to the point most of your posts this cycle have mentioned it, then why is this in your post at all? I feel it's more directed to V!me since E!me is kind of known not to have the ML guilt problem, and it was a whole thing. Like this whole thing makes no sense except from a V!me world, with the E as a random afterthought and IDK a post that has "Kas and Stick are Elims" has any business also suggesting this - it's like your actions are showing you don't really buy your own read?

Anyway I'm gonna have to be in commute really soon and will probably join the gang of rollover missing people, but quick/last thoughts:

• Ruler is getting zero scrutiny for this vote. If Stick flips E, Ruler's more or less just V. If Stick flips V, I think Ruler's vote needs to be questioned - I have no idea why I thought it was an RNG vote but it's pretty much naked. There's an oddness where it doesn't super fit the new Elim profile, but yeah, it's just ehhhh as a naked vote regardless.
   
• If Stick flips V, I kind of want to think Wiz is V...tbh I kind of want to think he's V regardless of Stick's flip. He did break the tie on Stick despite the Polly flirtation, but his reaction in PMs to me when I asked him about his backing for his Stick vote read quite Villagery where he went back through the thread and was like "dawg tbh I can't find it anymore that's weird, I'm not sure why I thought that" - that's not a very Elim climbdown IMO. Not E/E with Stick, but also not the sort of way an Elim walks back the V!Stick vote.
   
• I suspect there is at least one Elim in <Raven, Polly> and this has to do with Elim overcompliance (Elims tend to overestimate the degree to which the Village is ready to follow a Grand Plan and want to throw in first/more than Villagers do.) Initially I was leaning Polly as the Elim in there, but I'm sort of feeling it might be Raven over Polly now and I'm not sure why. Raven's reluctance to vote here despite also thinking E!TJ is just kind of weird and suggests an inability to take a stance. IDK that Stick and Raven are E/E in an E!Stick world - Stick's posts and PMs just kinda don't suggest it (sorry, rushing) but I could see E!Raven in a V!Stick world, maybe partnered with E!TJ.
   
• Would like to hear more from BridgeBoi and Stormy. Feel pressure there is warranted.
   
• Hoid Slayer still looks Village to me. Reasons haven't shifted.
   
• I kinda want to V!lean TUF still. Reasons not terribly shifted. Also want to V!lean STINK for vibes still, acknowledge at some point I must get off that fence but it won't be right now.

Well. Time to fight the transport system.

Edited to add:

Oh yeah if it's not signalled - conflicted on TJ, if Stick flips E he's probably just V here barring some weird Rysn game BS again (someone who isn't rushing look up the dynamics of their mutual suspicion), but I lean E for the moment. I think they're only E/E in a three Elim world, and even then, not sure how much I'd buy it.

[The Wandering Wizard he/him]

3 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

I don't hate this as a vote, am not sure if I still feel E!Polly after her latest post, but also, Polly is one of our Breath givers rn and it's a bit late to orchestrate a pivot unless more people are around.

 

Oh yeah

[Ashbringer he/him]

30 minutes!

[Ashbringer he/him]

Time! New cycle up shortly.

12 seconds later because you can't multipost whoops

[Ashbringer he/him]

MR72 Cycle 2: Sacrifice

Kanirah and Genda looked at the assembled crowd. Twelve. Not as many as he'd hoped for, but in truth it was more than he'd expected. It wouldn't be enough Breath to keep Starkeeper safe until support from Hallendren arrived, but it'd be enough to last her most of that time, enough time to find any Hallendren travelers in nearby towns. 

But as Carmine had pointed out, the set wasn't entirely certain in its intent. A few members, Izmir and Evinir, had been fairly open about their moral opposition to them even being in the city, let alone sacrificing Breath to keep Starkeeper alive. Kanirah was trying to keep remembering that - it was a sacrifice for them. They believed in the sanctity of Breath. Returned specifically, it seemed to vary person to person, but no one seemed particularly happy to be here. Those two in particular. A few others Starkeeper seemed to recognize - she wasn't certain who, or even in what capacity, but Carmine wondered if the Assassins would try to strike again.

Kanirah looked down at his handful of notes. Starkeeper had wanted him to say something. She was here, but she was trying to save her strength. She looked quite weak for a god.

"I... thank you all for being here. Regardless of your separate opinions, we need all the help as we can get," Kanirah started, trying to find a place for his eyes to rest. His eyes lingered on Simon for a moment.

"As I'm certain you've heard, our delegation was mostly killed, our supply of Breath depleted. Starkeeper needs a Breath every week to stay alive. For now, you're all we've been able to source.

"We ask you of your Breath. I understand our cultures clash in what that means. The Court of the- of Hallendren is willing to repay you for your gift now, up to tenfold, in money or Breath returned. I know that as an offering may not be worth much, for it is not value you are wishing to hold; I ask that you recognize this as our best to acknowledge this, as an imperfect solution in a time of our need."

They'd agreed to that little speech, those papers. It was accurate. Now the words felt bitter, artificial. 

Kanirah brushed them aside.

"... look at Starkeeper. She needs help, only help you can give. Please."

That was genuine.

Genda gave Kanirah a look, and he felt a slight twinge of shame - he still had his Breath. She'd agreed that it be kept as a failsafe, in case none of the volunteers would give up their Breath in time, but it felt like a misleading. Genda had her Breath as well, of course, but she'd said something about doing such an act being the end of her political career. Kanirah could call her a hypocrite, but he wasn't much different - and he needed her sway.

"We'll have Starkeeper in an upper room of the courthouse," Genda said. "If you choose to give your Breath, go there sometime tonight. You needn't tell anyone. In fact, you probably shouldn't. No one will be held responsible if no one acts; simply know what Hallendren will think."

And that was that.

 

The morning broke with three things.

Starkeeper greeted Kanirah, looking refreshed and alive.

Stick was dragged up to the courthouse steps, with claims of espionage on the claimant's lips, which lived until they opened the door.

Where they found Izmir, still with soul but dead as stone.

- - -

Stick. was arrested! They were an Idrian Diplomat!

Kasimir was killed! They were an Idrian Diplomat!

 

Vote Count:

• Stick. (4): |TJ,| The Unknown Flame, KelsierApologist, Hoid Slayer 
• |TJ| (2): Kasimir, Stick.
• KelsierApologist (1): The Wandering Wizard

 

Cycle 2 has begun! There will be an execution this cycle.

The cycle will close on April 12th at 10:00 PM PST, in about 47 hours.

 

Player List:

Spoiler

Players:

1. @|TJ|
2. @The Unknown Flame
3. @TwinStorm
4. @Updog. - Elidyr
5. @BridgeBoi - Timmy
6. Kasimir - Izmir - Idrian Diplomat
7. @The Wandering Wizard
8. @ruler of the mists
9. @TheRavenHasLanded - Gandor
10. Stick. - Idrian Diplomat
11. @STINK - Simon
12. @Hoid Slayer - Evinir

Pinch Hitters:

1. @Aeternum
2. @Illwei
3. @Ookla the Arbiter

Spectators:

1. @Terrisman

 

[|TJ| he/him]

Bruhhhhhh I'm crying ._.

[STINK he/him]

Ruler of the Mists 

Good morning gamers

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

5 hours ago, Ashbringer said:

MR72 Cycle 2: Sacrifice

Kanirah and Genda looked at the assembled crowd. Twelve. Not as many as he'd hoped for, but in truth it was more than he'd expected. It wouldn't be enough Breath to keep Starkeeper safe until support from Hallendren arrived, but it'd be enough to last her most of that time, enough time to find any Hallendren travelers in nearby towns. 

But as Carmine had pointed out, the set wasn't entirely certain in its intent. A few members, Izmir and Evinir, had been fairly open about their moral opposition to them even being in the city, let alone sacrificing Breath to keep Starkeeper alive. Kanirah was trying to keep remembering that - it was a sacrifice for them. They believed in the sanctity of Breath. Returned specifically, it seemed to vary person to person, but no one seemed particularly happy to be here. Those two in particular. A few others Starkeeper seemed to recognize - she wasn't certain who, or even in what capacity, but Carmine wondered if the Assassins would try to strike again.

Kanirah looked down at his handful of notes. Starkeeper had wanted him to say something. She was here, but she was trying to save her strength. She looked quite weak for a god.

"I... thank you all for being here. Regardless of your separate opinions, we need all the help as we can get," Kanirah started, trying to find a place for his eyes to rest. His eyes lingered on Simon for a moment.

"As I'm certain you've heard, our delegation was mostly killed, our supply of Breath depleted. Starkeeper needs a Breath every week to stay alive. For now, you're all we've been able to source.

"We ask you of your Breath. I understand our cultures clash in what that means. The Court of the- of Hallendren is willing to repay you for your gift now, up to tenfold, in money or Breath returned. I know that as an offering may not be worth much, for it is not value you are wishing to hold; I ask that you recognize this as our best to acknowledge this, as an imperfect solution in a time of our need."

They'd agreed to that little speech, those papers. It was accurate. Now the words felt bitter, artificial. 

Kanirah brushed them aside.

"... look at Starkeeper. She needs help, only help you can give. Please."

That was genuine.

Genda gave Kanirah a look, and he felt a slight twinge of shame - he still had his Breath. She'd agreed that it be kept as a failsafe, in case none of the volunteers would give up their Breath in time, but it felt like a misleading. Genda had her Breath as well, of course, but she'd said something about doing such an act being the end of her political career. Kanirah could call her a hypocrite, but he wasn't much different - and he needed her sway.

"We'll have Starkeeper in an upper room of the courthouse," Genda said. "If you choose to give your Breath, go there sometime tonight. You needn't tell anyone. In fact, you probably shouldn't. No one will be held responsible if no one acts; simply know what Hallendren will think."

And that was that.

 

The morning broke with three things.

Starkeeper greeted Kanirah, looking refreshed and alive.

Stick was dragged up to the courthouse steps, with claims of espionage on the claimant's lips, which lived until they opened the door.

Where they found Izmir, still with soul but dead as stone.

- - -

Stick. was arrested! They were an Idrian Diplomat!

Kasimir was killed! They were an Idrian Diplomat!

 

Vote Count:

• Stick. (4): |TJ,| The Unknown Flame, KelsierApologist, Hoid Slayer 
• |TJ| (2): Kasimir, Stick.
• KelsierApologist (1): The Wandering Wizard

 

Cycle 2 has begun! There will be an execution this cycle.

The cycle will close on April 12th at 10:00 PM PST, in about 47 hours.

 

Player List:

  Reveal hidden contents

Players:

1. @|TJ|
2. @The Unknown Flame
3. @TwinStorm
4. @Updog. - Elidyr
5. @BridgeBoi - Timmy
6. Kasimir - Izmir - Idrian Diplomat
7. @The Wandering Wizard
8. @ruler of the mists
9. @TheRavenHasLanded - Gandor
10. Stick. - Idrian Diplomat
11. @STINK - Simon
12. @Hoid Slayer - Evinir

Pinch Hitters:

1. @Aeternum
2. @Illwei
3. @Ookla the Arbiter

Spectators:

1. @Terrisman

 

Oh, shoot

This is not good

Evinir strolled into the conference room in the morning feeling strong and refreshed... and froze when an aide told him the news. Stick had been taken overnight, and continued to claim innocence. But that didn't worry him. What worried him was Izmir. He stayed in shock as the aide led him up the stairs, and failed to register the event until the body was lying right in front of him. Izmir... Evinir shut his eyes, that had begun to water, and opened them again. There was no time for grief. There was work to do. Izmir's killers were still out there, and they would strike again. Evinir could not allow that to happen.

"Get the others," he announced, unable to tear his gaze from Izmir. "We need to talk."

I'm all for pressuring inactive players, but we should also look into who Kas was attacking. 

So that means...

TJ

I want to start hearing some defenses

Also

1 hour ago, STINK said:

Ruler of the Mists 

Good morning gamers

Morning

[ruler of the mists He/His/the survivor of the pit]

I vote STINK

 

I am a loyal diplomat to the Starkeeper.

What is your resoning to vote Me 

[Ookla de los Cuervos he/him]

TJ I dunno it just feels off. Kas was kind of on his tail. Also, some of the posts he made give me bad vibes. 

and after looking through the posts I missed last time, I do feel like its either between Polly and TJ, or possibly both. 

[The Wandering Wizard he/him]

I'll look at Polly for you  

[|TJ| he/him]

Okay so I was waiting to see who pushes me because yes, you could argue the Kas kill could happen irrespective but especially with the added benefit of framing me. One of them was one of my village reads from last cycle and the other is Raven. 

I'll come back to this later, so now - replies to Kas, cause dead people deserve answers too. 

15 hours ago, Kasimir said:

If you believe I'll feel intensely guilty on you flipping V, why is it you also believe E!me would willingly do this to you on your first game back rather than just NKing you on C2 or C3 after a pocket?

Yeah, at the time I was considering the scenario where it was a two person team with you and Stick. Stick was in trouble and you had no other teammate and no other player you could pivot to, to save her. 

14 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Why in the world do you think that you can say E!you wouldn't push V!Stick and would NK V!Stick with mild pocketing and believe this is an argument for V!you but not an argument for V!Stick choosing to push you or me choosing to push you in a tepid game with no real analysis or investment?

I think, in my head, I'm definitely way more easily pushable than you or Stick. 

14 hours ago, KelsierApologist said:

The way trains are now, I can tie it back up by going on TJ, join a strong train on stick, or vanity vote on someone. 

I kind of want to avoid a tie, even if it’s all the same to me, because it feels bad, so let’s go with the path of least resistance 

Stick

Mrghh, makes no read about me, makes no read about Stick either. I don't like this vote and the reasoning "path of least resistance" because the path of least resistance is usually villager. Also, there was equally no resistance on my elimination. In fact, Kas did show more resistance for Stick elimination than me. It feels like an elim trying to contribute/talk about the elimination without really giving reads/good reasoning. Gonna set it aside right now because tldr looks like 'Polly sus because she did not vote on me', which is hilarious. But ugh devil's advocating, an elim usually does not want to be seen on a villager train and in a v/v train ties are usually good for the elims. Ugh, sorry that C1 has really battered my confidence. BUT I shall try. 

14 hours ago, TheRavenHasLanded said:

Look, Ive said it before, ill say it again, but ive been burned by people PMing me right off the bat. was it just once? i believe so. But still, I want to contribute, yk? Dont wanna accidently get pocketed \:P. 

 

Mrrgh, the more I see the post the more I think it is theatrics >> Sure, getting pocketed sucks. But I figure an appropriate response to that would be more caution in PMing. An immediate vote feels like an overreaction.

14 hours ago, TheRavenHasLanded said:

STINK is clear

Again, there is a contradiction with how quickly you are willing to trust STINK after that despite being so worried about pocketing. It feels like an overcorrection. I would expect more caution in this case. 

@STINK, would love your input here. How did Raven go from "Ahhh go away demon" to "STINK clear" in the PMs?

13 hours ago, Kasimir said:

If I get NKed, someone ping him so I can read it from the dead doc, thanks.

@The Unknown Flame, explain :P. 

12 hours ago, Kasimir said:

16 hours ago, |TJ| said:

@Kasimir v!Kas DO NOT FEEL GUILTY. uhh e!Kas also dont feel guilty

If you believe I am E to the point most of your posts this cycle have mentioned it, then why is this in your post at all? I feel it's more directed to V!me since E!me is kind of known not to have the ML guilt problem, and it was a whole thing. Like this whole thing makes no sense except from a V!me world, with the E as a random afterthought and IDK a post that has "Kas and Stick are Elims" has any business also suggesting this - it's like your actions are showing you don't really buy your own read?

Just a reminder that I was typing up the post you quoted thinking it was the last minute of the cycle and I did not have any time. So, it is incomplete. With it I wanted to say you and Stick are my top 2 suspicion (because as I mentioned before, I thought of the 2-elim team where you HAVE to push me to save her), but I also wanted to look after my bro because I know he struggles with guilt even though he's been getting better IN CASE I WAS WRONG ABOUT HIM. Because it was C1 after all. 

my e!Kas statement would have concluded like "e!Kas also dont feel guilty because thats your wincon after all lmao".

2 hours ago, TheRavenHasLanded said:

TJ I dunno it just feels off. Kas was kind of on his tail. Also, some of the posts he made give me bad vibes. 

Now comes my biggest problem with you, Raven. We spoke about how dangerous it is for an elim to push Kas early (or well at any stage in the game) and you agreed with me. Do you really think I'd make that statement so recently and and then immediately in the next game push Kas C1 as an elim? 

Ngl guys, it's been a long time since I've felt guilty about an ML as I do about this one. That was a horrific C1 from me. It condemned not 1, not 2 but 3 decent villagers to die. Stick, by pushing her. Kas by my argument with him and him sussing me so his death could be an attempt to frame me, and myself by putting myself in a position where I could be framed and MLed. Sorry @Stick.  

But, like I said, I SHALL try my best.

Village - Hoid Slayer, ruler of mists, TUF, Wiz maybe

I need more time to figure out Polly.

@TwinStorm and @BridgeBoi , come chime in. 

edit: I have no idea what is happening to my post ;-;

edit 2: uhhh should be fixed smh, if you saw that no you didnt :P.

Edited April 11, 2025 by |TJ|

[Ookla de los Cuervos he/him]

2 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

Okay so I was waiting to see who pushes me because yes, you could argue the Kas kill could happen irrespective but especially with the added benefit of framing me. One of them was one of my village reads from last cycle and the other is Raven. 

I'll come back to this later, so now - replies to Kas, cause dead people deserve answers too. 

Yeah, at the time I was considering the scenario where it was a two person team with you and Stick. Stick was in trouble and you had no other teammate and no other player you could pivot to, to save her. 

I think, in my head, I'm definitely way more easily pushable than you or Stick. 

Mrghh, makes no read about me, makes no read about Stick either. I don't like this vote and the reasoning "path of least resistance" because the path of least resistance is usually villager. Also, there was equally no resistance on my elimination. In fact, Kas did show more resistance for Stick elimination than me. It feels like an elim trying to contribute/talk about the elimination without really giving reads/good reasoning. Gonna set it aside right now because tldr looks like 'Polly sus because she did not vote on me', which is hilarious. But ugh devil's advocating, an elim usually does not want to be seen on a villager train and in a v/v train ties are usually good for the elims. Ugh, sorry that C1 has really battered my confidence. BUT I shall try. 

Mrrgh, the more I see the post the more I think it is theatrics >> Sure, getting pocketed sucks. But I figure an appropriate response to that would be more caution in PMing. An immediate vote feels like an overreaction.

Again, there is a contradiction with how quickly you are willing to trust STINK after that despite being so worried about pocketing. It feels like an overcorrection. I would expect more caution in this case. 

@STINK, would love your input here. How did Raven go from "Ahhh go away demon" to "STINK clear" in the PMs?

@The Unknown Flame, explain :P. 

 

 

Just a reminder that I was typing up the post you quoted thinking it was the last minute of the cycle and I did not have any time. So, it is incomplete. With it I wanted to say you and Stick are my top 2 suspicion (because as I mentioned before, I thought of the 2-elim team where you HAVE to push me to save her), but I also wanted to look after my bro because I know he struggles with guilt even though he's been getting better IN CASE I WAS WRONG ABOUT HIM. Because it was C1 after all. 

my e!Kas statement would have concluded like "e!Kas also dont feel guilty because thats your wincon after all lmao".

Now comes my biggest problem with you, Raven. We spoke about how dangerous it is for an elim to push Kas early (or well at any stage in the game) and you agreed with me. Do you really think I'd make that statement so recently and and then immediately in the next game push Kas C1 as an elim? 

Ngl guys, it's been a long time since I've felt guilty about an ML as I do about this one. That was a horrific C1 from me. It condemned not 1, not 2 but 3 decent villagers to die. Stick, by pushing her. Kas by my argument with him and him sussing me so his death could be an attempt to frame me, and myself by putting myself in a position where I could be framed and MLed. Sorry @Stick.  

But, like I said, I SHALL try my best.

Village - Hoid Slayer, ruler of mists, TUF, Wiz maybe

I need more time to figure out Polly.

@TwinStorm and @BridgeBoi, come chime in. 

Honestly? yes. I don't exactly know your play style, but Im not ruling out the possibility of you saying that and then turning around and doing the exact thing you wouldn't do. although to be fair, I actually didn't pick up on the fact that you were pushing that theory TwT.

as for theatrics, I'm chronically online and a bit of a theatre kid, ofc I'm gonna be dramatic \:P. But, now, after thinking about this more, you might actually be clear. Still, something is irking me about this and I cant put my finger on it. I am self aware, yes, but not when it really counts in SE TwT

Edited to add: i was recently reminded that Wiz has been hopping around votes like a jackrabbit, is that normal for them?

Edited to add 2: Yes, I saw it TJ, and now there is a record of it in my post \:P