Mid-Range Game 64: Shades of Crimson

[Mat he/him]

Actually no TKN

[The Paradoxical Phenomenon he/him]

6 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I don’t exactly want Aman to die. He’s too good. That’s true for both alignments though :P. I guess he could always be resurrected? xD

 

I agree, but I just don’t like how he responded, so I’m keeping my vote on him.

@Amanuensis what do you mean by “lol”?

EDIT: oh, @Devotary of Spontaneity, I do not know. I feel Mat may have just been annoyed at the elim claim thing. TKN… I do not have as strong feelings on him as Aman, so I’m not voting him. I don’t entirely know what his reasoning was (other than me saying “im a badguy”) @The Known Novel would you be able to tell me why you voted without explanation?

I… am kinda lost as to why people are voting TKN. Is it this? An explanation would be appreciated 

Edited July 15, 2023 by TheAlpha929

[Mat he/him]

2 minutes ago, TheAlpha929 said:

I agree, but I just don’t like how he responded, so I’m keeping my vote on him.

@Amanuensis what do you mean by “lol”?

I think just that Devo basically was like ‘um, no’ to the Devo/TKN e/e theory right after he proposed it  

[Amanuensis he/him]

Mat village credences rising. Think I prefer Ashbringer or Devo over TKN, at this juncture.

ED1T:

Also I just want to say how disappointed I am that no one has PM’d me >:(

Edited July 15, 2023 by Amanuensis

[Archer he/him]

TKN's a bad vote because of that one line I have chosen to put a lot of stock in. 

What's up with the Ashbringer crowd? They've said very little, I have them in the JNV tier.

32 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Alpha

I’m saying I disagree with your reasoning there, yeah.

Archer’s TJ case felt weird (saying TLDRs are an elim tell is… interesting to me) but points for pushing his vote I guess. Don’t know if confidence is a tell for Archer but he’s very confident so probably not xD

I don’t exactly want Aman to die. He’s too good. That’s true for both alignments though :P. I guess he could always be resurrected? xD

Ash

This makes sense I promise

It's in the context of POE, remember. My options I'm looking at are Devo (decided there's nothing to go on), you, TJ. Then Ash and JNV, but I don't have a case for them either. TJ at least made my gut rumble 

[Amanuensis he/him]

On 7/13/2023 at 10:16 PM, Ashbringer said:

... Alpha, if you're claiming evil because you're RPing a sleeper agent assistant, you can RP as evil and not just claim it 

besides sleeper agent implies they're sleeping

@Archer what do you think about this Ash post? Inquisitive village, elim with TMI, or NAI?

[Archer he/him]

Just now, Amanuensis said:

@Archer what do you think about this Ash post? Inquisitive village, elim with TMI, or NAI?

Ash likes chaos? He's saying people don't like the setup as much as the punchline. I took it as NAI playstyle advice. 

What's the argument for that being evil? Is it that he discounted e!openwolfing!Alpha because that's a sensible conclusion, especially with the RP theory available

[Szeth Pancakes he/they]

The turn is over! Please refrain from posting, PMing, and submitting actions until the next cycle is up.

[Szeth Pancakes he/they]

MR64 Cycle Two: A Crimson Stain

“What am I doing… He’s… just a kid. No. No. It must be done.” Jormmuthar heard the voices through a haze, dimly aware of what they meant; of what his assailant might do to him. He couldn’t bring himself to concentrate. 

Wake up. Focus! He tried to edge away, but found he was tied to a chair. He reached for the knife he kept at his belt. It was missing. Of course, he thought. He… he wanted to…

His consciousness was slipping away again. He tried to make a plan, to focus his vision on anything but the figure walking towards him, holding a knife. He kicked forwards desperately, with no real goal in mind, and the person cried out, dropping to the floor.

His training rushed back to him; he tried to reach for the knot in the ropes tying him to the chair, but found that he couldn’t reach. Failing that, he began to scream, as loud and as long as possible. The attacker cursed, scrambling onto their feet and reaching for their knife. Jormmuthar tried to kick at them again; they were more careful this time, though, coming around from the back.

The last thing Jormmuthar thought before his mind slipped away was that he really, really wished he was sleeping.

*

Lazy Bones had lived a good, long, life. He’d seen all he’d wanted to see; done all he’d wanted to do. Thus, he wasn’t fazed when a mob, armed with pitchforks and torches and all the works, showed up at his cottage one evening, confronting him as he sat on his rickety old chair, scowling at a tree. He had opinions on all the trees in his yard; he particularly hated this one. “All ya young whippersnappers need ta get off my lawn,” he said.

One man at the head of the mob came forward. “What are you hiding, Lazy Bones? You let the forters in here, and now the bartender’s missing, and the boy is dead.” That was remarkably unfair; he wasn’t in charge. The homestead leader decided who went in and out, not him.

“Get off mah lawn.”

He closed his eyes and took one last breath of fresh air as the man’s pitchfork speared through his chest, warm blood forming a crimson stain on his shirt.

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Vote Count.

Spoiler

 

Ashbringer (1): Amanuensis

Devotary (1): Ashbringer

Amanuensis (2): DeTess, Alpha

Archer (1): TJ

TJ (1): Archer

The Known Novel (2): Devotary, Matrim

 

TheAlpha929 has become a Shade!

Amanuensis has become a Shade!

Cycle Two has begun! The turn will end on June 16, 2023 at 7:30 PM PDT.

Participants.

Spoiler

 

1. @Matrim's Dice
2. @Archer - Awhey (seasonal costume merchant)
3. @Ashbringer - Frederrick (definitely not a sleeper agent)
4. @TheAlpha929 - Jormmuthar (definitely not a sidekick to a sleeper agent) - Shade
5. @JNV
6. @|TJ|
7. @DeTess
8. @Devotary of Spontaneity - The Lustrous Parbem (the Surveyor and the Guide) and its translator Silven
9. @Wonko the Sane - Prof. Ashford Longfellow (an Abundance anthropologist)
10. @The Known Novel
11. @Amanuensis - Lazy Bones (old man) - Shade

Rule Clarifications (in progress)

 

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

No doc...

Anybody think we should do like an informal vote for the Leader guy?

Like The Known Novel?

[Ashbringer he/him]

I suppose, but that assumes we both have a leader and that they take requests. We also still have an Exe to do.

Interesting if someone up for the exe were to be killed, we wouldn’t know which is which.

[Archer he/him]

I swear Mat and Aman were on Ash and that was the leading wagon. If we can bring back Aman, we should. 

Did DeTess ask anyone else if they're a bodyguard? 

Detess 

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

Ah, drat. Sorry, Aman. I really meant to cast my vote for somebody, but got caught up in traffic and missed my chance. Ah, well.

Alpha was an… odd choice for Elim kill. I really can’t see why he was targeted, unless the RP in the writeup about him having a knife that’s missing is a clue. Did Alpha tell anyone in PMs that he had a dagger?

Edited July 15, 2023 by Wonko the Sane

[Szeth Pancakes he/they]

2 minutes ago, Archer said:

I swear Mat and Aman were on Ash and that was the leading wagon.

Mat changed his vote to TKN.

[Ashbringer he/him]

Also reading the writeup, that’s a lot of blood shed.

[DeTess she/her]

So, first things first, I woke up with a bad headache, so unless it clears quickly this'll be my only post for the next 24 hours or so. Also, point of order, I'll likely won't be around for the last 10-12 hours of every cycle, so if you're waiting for a response from me in that period you'll have to wait till the next cycle.

Regarding Aman brining up the MR63 gambit, it doesn't really look like the same action to me. Quite aside from me looking at and remembering a game quite differently if I am an elim compared to when I am village, asking to get converted by the pseudo-village group is not the same as asking to be attacked by the elims.

3 hours ago, Wonko the Sane said:

Ah, drat. Sorry, Aman. I really meant to cast my vote for somebody, but got caught up in traffic and missed my chance. Ah, well.

This reads really oddly. Why would someone be apologizing for an execution outcome like this? E!wonko knowing V!aman just got executed, Edit: or E!Wonko trying to drum up indirect support for E!aman being brought back?

3 hours ago, The Known Novel said:

No doc...

Anybody think we should do like an informal vote for the Leader guy?

Like The Known Novel?

DeTess. I think an Aman flip would be quite valuable given all the chaos surrounding it, so the sooner someone with a silver knife is sent out there, the better our odds of actually getting it, and since I'm the only one to have publicly claimed a knife I'm pretty much the only option. Obviously, I do hope tog et brought back in after my knife triggers.

@Szeth_Pancakeswhat is the order of actions exactly? If I get banished, would the shades be able to attacked me that same cycle, or only the cycle after that? And when does the survivalist come in? Before or after the shade attack?

3 hours ago, Archer said:

I swear Mat and Aman were on Ash and that was the leading wagon. If we can bring back Aman, we should. 

Did DeTess ask anyone else if they're a bodyguard? 

Detess 

To give the full context to this: I'd been wondering why Archer brought up the Dawnshard holder as a potential mayor (not advocating for it, just wondering why I didn't bring them up when I mentioned a mayor) when they don't have any self protection and it isn't guaranteed the village has a bodyguard. two reasons I could see this being were:

• Archer is an elim and trying to subtly encourage the dawnshard holder to out themselves
• Archer is a v!bodyguard and knows they can keep the holder safe

I reached out to them in PM to get a better idea of what was going on, as I didn't want to force a v!bodyguard out in the open.

Archer, why bring this up now? We discussed this middle of the last cycle, so you could have brought it up then if it triggered suspicion.

edit: and also getting the same odd vibe from Archer being all 'Oh no, not aman!' that I got from Wonko. I really don't see why people suddenly seem so certain Aman was village.

Edited July 15, 2023 by DeTess

[Archer he/him]

3 hours ago, DeTess said:

So, first things first, I woke up with a bad headache, so unless it clears quickly this'll be my only post for the next 24 hours or so. Also, point of order, I'll likely won't be around for the last 10-12 hours of every cycle, so if you're waiting for a response from me in that period you'll have to wait till the next cycle.

Regarding Aman brining up the MR63 gambit, it doesn't really look like the same action to me. Quite aside from me looking at and remembering a game quite differently if I am an elim compared to when I am village, asking to get converted by the pseudo-village group is not the same as asking to be attacked by the elims.

This reads really oddly. Why would someone be apologizing for an execution outcome like this? E!wonko knowing V!aman just got executed, Edit: or E!Wonko trying to drum up indirect support for E!aman being brought back?

DeTess. I think an Aman flip would be quite valuable given all the chaos surrounding it, so the sooner someone with a silver knife is sent out there, the better our odds of actually getting it, and since I'm the only one to have publicly claimed a knife I'm pretty much the only option. Obviously, I do hope tog et brought back in after my knife triggers.

@Szeth_Pancakeswhat is the order of actions exactly? If I get banished, would the shades be able to attacked me that same cycle, or only the cycle after that? And when does the survivalist come in? Before or after the shade attack?

To give the full context to this: I'd been wondering why Archer brought up the Dawnshard holder as a potential mayor (not advocating for it, just wondering why I didn't bring them up when I mentioned a mayor) when they don't have any self protection and it isn't guaranteed the village has a bodyguard. two reasons I could see this being were:

• Archer is an elim and trying to subtly encourage the dawnshard holder to out themselves
• Archer is a v!bodyguard and knows they can keep the holder safe

I reached out to them in PM to get a better idea of what was going on, as I didn't want to force a v!bodyguard out in the open.

Archer, why bring this up now? We discussed this middle of the last cycle, so you could have brought it up then if it triggered suspicion.

edit: and also getting the same odd vibe from Archer being all 'Oh no, not aman!' that I got from Wonko. I really don't see why people suddenly seem so certain Aman was village.

I had this terrible thought last night, sparked by a comment someone made at EOD, that you claimed the knife the attract bodyguard protection. Then went around asking folks if they're bodyguards, using that as an excuse. 

I don't see why people thought Aman was evil. This is worth litigating btw because we might bring him back. He's a fabulous kill for the elims because it's guilt free because he was a late signup, it gets rid of a thread control threat, and, given the margins, he probably wasn't evil. Don't you think he would have self pressed when he was clearly around at EOD arguing for the person he wanted dead on merit, not just to save himself?

7 hours ago, The Known Novel said:

No doc...

Anybody think we should do like an informal vote for the Leader guy?

Like The Known Novel?

Annnd now it's intentional, not a throwaway, so it looks like you're trying to reenforce my read of you based on that. I don't like that. 

Regarding votes, probably worth establishing a clear exe candidate with some time to go before EOD so there's time to submit a banishment action. 

Aman, Alpha, your job is to interrogate each other to the point of knowing if the other person is worth saving. 

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

3 hours ago, Archer said:

Annnd now it's intentional, not a throwaway, so it looks like you're trying to reenforce my read of you based on that. I don't like that. 

Not everything's about you. 

I was this close to getting a Shade doc, only to have it all torn away. Maybe I shouldn't have appeased the gods of Luck and Chance with that six way tie, it seems to have made them favor me with survival. 

As for my Alpha vote, which I think people questioned, it was a sort of on principle thing. He claimed elim and didn't back off, so I voted him until he backed off. He could still be e (well it's likely because of him being killed, but regardless), but I was willing to accept a back off of his claim to remove my vote.

[Mat he/him]

4 hours ago, The Known Novel said:

I was this close to getting a Shade doc, only to have it all torn away. Maybe I shouldn't have appeased the gods of Luck and Chance with that six way tie, it seems to have made them favor me with survival. 

Why not self vote?

Note that I’m glad you didn’t :P.

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

11 hours ago, DeTess said:

This reads really oddly. Why would someone be apologizing for an execution outcome like this? E!wonko knowing V!aman just got executed, Edit: or E!Wonko trying to drum up indirect support for E!aman being brought back?

Or maybe I just promised to save him, and am apologizing for not following through on that? I still don’t trust him, if that’s what you’re implying. Honestly I’m super confused about how you can read my apology as AI at all.

8 hours ago, Archer said:

I don't see why people thought Aman was evil. This is worth litigating btw because we might bring him back. He's a fabulous kill for the elims because it's guilt free because he was a late signup, it gets rid of a thread control threat, and, given the margins, he probably wasn't evil. Don't you think he would have self pressed when he was clearly around at EOD arguing for the person he wanted dead on merit, not just to save himself?

What are you talking about? Aman was the execution, not the Elim kill. That’s very clear from the writeup.

Also, I genuinely can’t recall a time I’ve seen Aman vote out of nothing but self-preservation. I wouldn’t read too much into it, especially in a game where death wouldn’t reveal his alignment, and he (softly, maybe unintentionally) tried to shame the Dawnshard into bring him back.

Edited July 15, 2023 by Wonko the Sane

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

17 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Why not self vote?

Note that I’m glad you didn’t :P.

I wasn't on in time 

But mostly because I don't want a doc that bad.

[Archer he/him]

1 hour ago, Wonko the Sane said:

Or maybe I just promised to save him, and am apologizing for not following through on that? I still don’t trust him, if that’s what you’re implying. Honestly I’m super confused about how you can read my apology as AI at all.

What are you talking about? Aman was the execution, not the Elim kill. That’s very clear from the writeup.

Also, I genuinely can’t recall a time I’ve seen Aman vote out of nothing but self-preservation. I wouldn’t read too much into it, especially in a game where death wouldn’t reveal his alignment, and he (softly, maybe unintentionally) tried to shame the Dawnshard into bring him back.

I'm aware Alpha was the NK. There's probably three elims and the exe took two votes. They had control of the situation, so when deciding who to push, Aman made sense as a target. 

44 minutes ago, The Known Novel said:

I wasn't on in time 

But mostly because I don't want a doc that bad.

Not everything is about me, but not everything is about you either. Your play seems self centered. 

Which is kinda villagery but never mind that. 

Would you have voted anyone besides yourself at EOD C1? 

 

Here's a thought. E!Alpha was pulling a bold gambit. A WGG is also a bold gambit. Normally I'd say you delay your WGG until C2, but if you want resurrection, you need to do it C1. I'd say this is unlikely, but last I played with e!Alpha he was giddy to get into gambits and was rewarded for pulling one. 

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

40 minutes ago, Archer said:

Here's a thought. E!Alpha was pulling a bold gambit. A WGG is also a bold gambit. Normally I'd say you delay your WGG until C2, but if you want resurrection, you need to do it C1. I'd say this is unlikely, but last I played with e!Alpha he was giddy to get into gambits and was rewarded for pulling one. 

That’s at least an explanation for what is otherwise a very bizarre choice of kills, yeah.

[Mat he/him]

Is it at all reasonable that Aman was involved in this theory? Depends on the timeline, I guess, as I sort of doubt a WGG happens while e!Aman is on the chopping block.

[Szeth Pancakes he/they]

Happy Rollovet!