Mat he/him Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) Literally same :P. edit: to kas Edited June 19, 2023 by Matrim's Dice
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 Not anymore suckers! No such thing as a chill Shard game, you were fools to hope!
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 11 minutes ago, Kasimir said: We both agreed something was Definitely Not True, I'm not sure how you expected that to happen with actions economy. I suppose I could've warned you all but I sort of just figured you were all fine with it It's funny when it's not my problem yeah I'll note that if something is Definitely Not True, something else we actually really want to happen is also Definitely Not Happening, but also, Taldain? You still down for more rave? :eyes: smh uh, if that last bit means what I think it means, then that's rather inconvenient well ok whatever lets party it up on Taldain the Roshar doc is kinda lonely tbhh
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: smh uh, if that last bit means what I think it means, then that's rather inconvenient well ok whatever lets party it up on Taldain the Roshar doc is kinda lonely tbhh Are you not a good conversationalist? Should note for legal reasons that I don’t think Drake is actually Auto, but I am 50/50 on whether or not he's AC or v.
Mat he/him Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 1 minute ago, The Bald Brandon said: Should note for legal reasons that I don’t think Drake is actually Auto, but I am 50/50 on whether or not he's AC or v. Why not? Seems to fit well to me. Seemingly random agenda existing + Kas’ Auto gatekeeping + Kas being semi buddies with Auto + Kas urging us to side with Auto when we literally cannot win together + Kas and Drake being buddies both on Roshar = greater than 50% chance of Draketonomy imo
Kasimir he/him Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 13 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: ;-; I sort of tried Same tbh. 8 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: uh, if that last bit means what I think it means, then that's rather inconvenient The 'we' here refers to the Village from a Vmax perspective. You did say you weren't Vmaxxing so you might not care as much, and I tried not to highlight it because I'm also trying not to Vmax too hard this game. Results may vary. 9 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: well ok whatever lets party it up on Taldain the Roshar doc is kinda lonely tbhh Yeah sorry bro. I didn't want to get in on the Shard business as it was the one final line I set for myself this game, but I guess that's how it is. Village guilt be real. Tbf last I checked Aut did get a bit shy. piano and VOCALS were a tad more forthcoming when other people weren't there :eyes: 28 minutes ago, The Bald Brandon said: Alright, so we tell the thread/Mat at Rollover - 30 minutes? I think you make the call yourself. (A bit of an easy out for me, yes, but I also woke up sick this morning and the meds make me drowsy so am not terribly inclined to push too many things.) For what it's worth, I'll note that you might want one or two more people in the event of a roleblock, e.g. since Archer and Elan claimed one respectively, it's equally possible one happens, which would already kill all prospects of one. If someone not in the group gets the Shard in question, then that's probably sus. I'll further note if Mat jailbreaks that Shard, he gets Vessel Shield, which is ThugLife, so unless you expect to sweettalk Drake into continuing on his journey to SKhood by hitting Mat, be aware this will cause further issues with the exe. I don't V!read Mat, but at this point, I think it's a bit- I am not as attached to a Village victory at this point as I should be despite trying my best out of respect for Frost. I don't think the numbers change. If the Flatline Seven are majority Village, in most worlds, we're screwed anyway. I did try to strategise or outline ways for the Village to strengthen its position in the doc, but I don't think most of them are really practicable, though it's not to say we don't try anyway. So yes, I don't V!read Mat, but I feel it's a bit of a deal with the Devil either way, and let's be real, we've already made one with Aut so what's one more. But you should keep in mind that while you V!read Mat, it's not clear who else does, so even if at best there's a 3/4 - 3/5 chance that Mat doesn't get that Shard, you have to be prepared for the worst case scenario, which is that + DeTess still being down for a Mat exe. (Frankly I still am, but I also kind of don't want to keep pushing Mat/Elan if they really are Village so I'm taking a break to relook things and don't feel comfortable committing until then - still think they both seem E, FWIW.) ...As a pragmatic layer, I'll note this: even if E, Mat probably has a bit of a vested interest in playing along for now, and he'd be happy to wail on another E team, probably. I recognise I'm saying a lot of 'probablys' here, but...this is a faction game. For us, it's a V/E game with fancy layers, but the faction dimension does mean that just as we made a deal with Aut, we can also make a deal with one faction. We just have to keep in mind the ultimate endgame reality: Aut is aware we can't win with her, and E!Mat would know we can't win with him either, so it's a short term solution. /shrug 10 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: Why not? Seems to fit well to me. Seemingly random agenda existing + Kas’ Auto gatekeeping + Kas being semi buddies with Auto + Kas urging us to side with Auto when we literally cannot win together + Kas and Drake being buddies both on Roshar = greater than 50% chance of Draketonomy imo I'll spell out my Aut gatekeeping issue at least, since I told the Roshar doc, and kind of didn't want to tell the thread: Aut made a c/p error in the doc in early game. I am thus aware of Aut's identity as well as capabilities. I don't feel it's fair to punish a player for that sort of pretty human error, and I don't think it's fair - or an earned solve - if I just up and told the thread who Aut is, since it'd be entirely off the basis of a c/p mistake. So I am refusing to seriously or substantively take the field against Aut. I have been trying not to admit to this publicly because I think it would just lead to players like Archer trying to play twenty questions with me to read who Aut is from my reactions, and I don't think that's fair to me or to Aut as I'd effectively have to shut up and stop playing the game in order not to give it away. I think the result is that Aut has been fairly relaxed around me since I already know a decent bit about Aut and have committed to not ratting her out. I'll further note the issue is less about asking us to side with Aut and more about Aut siding with us temporarily. I still don't buy we have the numbers to actually dominate this game - if we did, I'd have no qualms about arranging for a substantial Endowment and Honor jailbreak tonight and having whoever is eventually Endowment simply rez all the Village dead while Honor protects Endowment from potential reprisal, e.g. from someone trying to extort Ruin or Odium into hitting Endowment. So my policy is that I'm not going to make any serious or earnest Aut guesses and I'm not going to breadcrumb. I have every faith the Village, if* it gets its drek together, can handle Aut without me.
Kasimir he/him Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 FWIW— I keep thinking on the Endowment jailbreak plan because I'm not actually sure it's as bad an idea. Suppose again: we know that the kills are with Drake and JNV. If Endowment gets hit, it's pretty indicative. We might regret Endowment's Intent wincon (I expect it's a double-edged sword) but we can also request Frost's protect or just play Shardic hot potato. If we play Shardic hot potato, Drake's request for protection from Intent Conversion is likely still doable. The bigger concern here IMO is Containment Watch is really powerful and so ideally we minimise occasions when it's not used. My hesitation primarily comes from the fact I expect Endowment to be a massive red line for both the Elims and Aut, potentially resulting in them allying to break the Village, but there's I suppose a decent case to be made that it's a rather provocative move that could have benefits in a world where the kills are known. My current Night Order is for the initial plan but I actually think it might be worth considering Endowment as a side project. Take with grain of salt because sick, on meds, and I like to live spicily sometimes.
Mat he/him Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 At this point does it matter if I know the original plan now Cause I’d like to know the shard in question so I can submit an action and go to bed if that’s an option :P. Would stay up if you think it makes a difference but you know
Kasimir he/him Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 Just now, Matrim's Dice said: At this point does it matter if I know the original plan now Cause I’d like to know the shard in question so I can submit an action and go to bed if that’s an option :P. Would stay up if you think it makes a difference but you know OG was for Invention. I'm going to kip too so I feel your pain. Meds making me drowsy >> Szeth et al can @ me I guess but I'm too tired rn this can be someone else's problem. Invention could theoretically solve our voting deficit and some Aut dependency problems, in a nutshell.
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) Alright @Matrim's Dice, I'm about to go to sleep. It was our plan to after Invention tonight. Are you willing to join? Edit: Other posts just loaded in. Edited June 19, 2023 by The Bald Brandon
Mat he/him Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 Yeah I did the thing also logging off in theory but yknow
DeTess she/her Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) @Kasimirhow would using Devotion to fix votes work? Just to replenish relevant charges on invention to use vote manip abilities? Edit: I meant Invention, of course. Was going for devotion myself with the same idea of fixing village votes. Edited June 19, 2023 by DeTess
Amanuensis he/him Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 Approximately ~30 minutes remain until the end of Night Four to get in your actions!
Ashbringer he/him Posted June 19, 2023 Author Posted June 19, 2023 LG95 Day Five: A Case Study of the Inevitable It was another long night. A quiet night. With leads into the affiliates of both Hoid and Khriss, business had returned to somewhat normal. People talked and went to restaurants. Studies were published. Shards of Adonalsium stayed in their containment vessels. But not all was still. Sir Arren Brocket was pacing through the halls. The release of Ruin, again - the destruction of Braize, again - something wasn't right. Something he had to get to the bottom of. It was a different goal than he usually did, these days. But an old one. He carefully went towards a blank wall and stepped through. "Khriss," he whispered harsly. "Are you there?" Sir Arren Brocket slipped out from the shadows of the room. "Of course," they responded, in a feminine voice. The Brockets shook their heads a bit. Even for disguises, this was... complex. A Cognitive Scan had been replicated, mimicing Brocket's soul. It would fail in a matter of days, of course. Even with the power of ten Shards that cannot be sustained. It would fail, inevitably. But for now it functioned. "How goes it?" "Easily enough. I can get more out of the system." "Alright. And Gunther?" "Unfortunate." "Aye." "Were you followed?" "No." "Yes." The Brockets turned. That last part had not been their voice. And the silence of Silverlight turned to an explosion. * * * Matrim's Dice was killed! They were Khrissala! No Shards have Breached Containment! * * * Day Five has begun! I think everyone who needed to post posted (except I think @Channelknight Fadran), but just a reminder to please post/engage when you can. This turn will end on 10:00 PM PDT / 5:00 AM GMT (+1 Day) on June 20th, in ~48 hours. Shard Status: Spoiler Ambition: CONTAINED Autonomy: BREACHED Cultivation: CONTAINED Devotion: CONTAINED Dominion: CONTAINED Endowment: CONTAINED Honor: CONTAINED Invention: CONTAINED Mercy: CONTAINED Odium: BREACHED Preservation: CONTAINED Prudence: CONTAINED Ruin: BREACHED Survival: CONTAINED Whimsy: CONTAINED Valor: CONTAINED Player List: Spoiler @The Known Novel - Ivam the Mad @Kasimir - Evgeny Karamazov @The Wandering Wizard - The Poet Fifth Scholar - Dr. Mattithias Gunther - Standard of Unity Researcher @Szeth_Pancakes - Liene @|TJ| - Al @DeTess - Tessa DeLoren Archer - Olivier Cosmos - Adonalsium's Chosen Researcher @JNV - Jai xinoeph512 - Xorial - 17th Shard Researcher @The Last Fæ - @DrakeMarshall - Adjunct Professor Uther Matrim's Dice - Sir Arren Brockett - Khrissala Sart - 17th Shard Researcher @STINK - @Elandera - Telan @Araris Valerian - @Walin - TheAlpha929 - Felt Jr. - 17th Shard Researcher @Channelknight Fadran - @Turtle - Letta Turson VOCALS PIANO SAXOPHONE Clarifications: Spoiler >INSERT FUNNY AND/OR CLEVER EASTER EGG HERE< Lorn Haemtes hasn't been seen in a while, has anyone found them? Anyone actually looking in here or am I pasting this over and over again for nothing? You may only pass one Charge of Investiture or one Shard in a Passing action. Charges of Investiture (whether Autonomy Charges or other Charges) held by Autonomous Players do not count towards the Autonomous Sudden Death Win Condition. Multiple factions can win at the same time if they complete their (Normal or SD) win conditions at the same time. I don't think there's a way to get all 4 main factions to win at the same time, but if you all find one... congratulations? Invention's Investment Ability can be used on Avatars, which will grant Invention an Autonomy Charge. All actions are limited to once per cycle, unless otherwise noted (Autonomy's Shardic, Whimsy's Shardic, and Researcher returning Shards to Containment). Vessel Action and Vessel Shield do not stack. Vessels can "gain" them from other sources, but that only matters if they pass their Shard while they would still have Vessel Action/Vessel Shield from another source. Avatars can exist on the same Shardworld as each other. Shardworlds get a new Doc each time the player list on that Shardworld changes. Avatars and players will be put in the player list for each Shardworld Doc (i.e. you can't pretend you're not there). Shardworld presences are not publicized in thread. Hoid and Khriss's Conversions take place before Shardic Inheritance from Breaching (or other reasons). Consuming Investiture does take actions. Charges of Investiture that are used then Roleblocked are lost, as are Charges of Investiture used on a Roleblocked Shardworld action. Hoid and Khriss do not lose Conversion Charges on Roleblocked or failed conversions. In the event that Hoid and Khriss target the same player for conversion, both conversions fail. The only abilities that contribute to Shardic Breaching are Researcher Siphons, Khriss's double-Siphon, and Hoid's Sabotage. Returned keep the alignment and win condition they died with when they Return. Valor Charges cannot be used on yourself. Worldhopping is only a Day action. Two players using actions to create 1-on-1 PMs with each other will consume both Charges/actions/etc and only create 1 PM. Avatars only count as players for the Autonomous win condition, not for other factions' win conditions. Avatars in Shardworlds and Ambition in the Cognitive Realm should speak in bold - other players should not (a bit for emphasis is okay, just don't write entire sentences). You cannot create PMs with Avatars. You cannot cut players in half. 5
Kasimir he/him Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: you’re welcome Thanks Mr Hatoful Shard boi sir This will be brisk because I just got up and am grogu groggy but worst typo so lesgo 2 hours ago, DeTess said: @Kasimirhow would using Devotion to fix votes work? Just to replenish relevant charges on invention to use vote manip abilities? Edit: I meant Invention, of course. Was going for devotion myself with the same idea of fixing village votes. Use Invention to fuel Charges, camp on Nalthis. Do not expect the IC of Invention to suck drastically, and Invention can fuel Odium Charges, roleblocks, or protects. Pretty much a swiss army knife. Edited to add: 37 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Day Five has begun! I think everyone who needed to post posted (except I think @Channelknight Fadran), but just a reminder to please post/engage when you can. Does this imply there is no inactivity filter? Edited June 19, 2023 by Kasimir
DeTess she/her Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 Okay, I've got to know. @Kasimir, @The Bald Brandon, @DrakeMarshall, was the kill on Mat something drake just came up with on his own, or did I just witness Mat getting led like a sheep to the slaughter by your combined manipulation in the thread? I mean, good job either way, but if it was you all tag-teaming mat: yikes, that was brutal XD
Kasimir he/him Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, DeTess said: Okay, I've got to know. @Kasimir, @The Bald Brandon, @DrakeMarshall, was the kill on Mat something drake just came up with on his own, or did I just witness Mat getting led like a sheep to the slaughter by your combined manipulation in the thread? I mean, good job either way, but if it was you all tag-teaming mat: yikes, that was brutal XD All Drake. I know Drake wants to take this game easy/have his own fun/hunt Aut, so all I brokered was a potential ceasefire and trust Drake to do his own thing Edited to add: Worth noting that this implies Mat's hesitation/CW thing was for a player who...wasn't on his team? Edited June 19, 2023 by Kasimir
Ashbringer he/him Posted June 19, 2023 Author Posted June 19, 2023 16 minutes ago, Kasimir said: Does this imply there is no inactivity filter? This implies Ash doesn’t have time to properly initiate or investigate an inactivity filter >>
Kasimir he/him Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 Just now, Ashbringer said: This implies Ash doesn’t have time to properly initiate or investigate an inactivity filter >> FWIW I am considering a world in which Fadran's inactivity is deliberate, though I almost feel he'd pop up more regularly. Missing a chance to snipe at Mat is odd, and Mat's V read on Fadran sometimes seemed a bit too quick.
DeTess she/her Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 38 minutes ago, Kasimir said: Missing a chance to snipe at Mat is odd, and Mat's V read on Fadran sometimes seemed a bit too quick. Yeah, that stood out to me while doing a reread of Mat. He village read Fadran quite strongly, in part for reading the game as a faction-game, which Mat also did. It might just have been an indirect defence of himself, but I feel like Mat must have had some more info to make that read given the possibility of hoid!fadran. Other things I noted were that Mat was consistently hard village-reading Szeth and I'm not sure Szeth warranted quite that strong a read. But ti also feels way too obvious if they were team-mates. Mat went after Araris here: at a point were Araris was leading or close to leading the execution, so I think it is highly unlikely Mat and Araris are on the same team. There was also some shade at Walin here: Just noting that as it makes a walin + mat team less likely in my eyes (not that it was particularly likely to begin with). Lastly, there was a soft defense of Elandera here: Given their coordination over the counterwagon it makes me wonder a little if they are team-mates. Either way I want to execute Elandera this cycle. I want clarity one what was behind the wizard wagon. If it was for example a push from team!Khriss for some reason it means wizard can't be ruled out from being on team Hoid (and would explain why there wasn't as much animo for the counterwagon as it wasn't in team hoid's favor either).
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