Amanuensis he/him Posted April 27, 2023 Posted April 27, 2023 4 hours ago, Illwei said: ouch no welcomes into the game can someone explain what vitc is? Welcome Illwei genuinely happy to have you! Been too long
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted April 27, 2023 Posted April 27, 2023 6 hours ago, Illwei said: ouch no welcomes into the game can someone explain what vitc is? Apologies, didn't see you because you weren't @ ed. Welcome!
Kasimir he/him Posted April 27, 2023 Posted April 27, 2023 K few questions before I'm out of it again. If it's a back-readable question, apologies and just indulge me - @Matrim's Dice, if not for Archer, would you have self-pressed on DeTess? - @Archer - you spent a decent chunk of D1 wavering between V!Mat and E!TKN and E!Mat and V!TKN. Why vote on DeTess rather than on Mat? - @DeTess - If you were up at EoD, would you have self-pressed on someone, and who? - @Devotary of Spontaneity - you framed your late vote as posing a choice to Mat, to see who he would self-pres on. Does this mean you were functionally indifferent to which of Mat, Archer, and DeTess died? - @Araris Valerian - Does Archer's late DeTess vote increase or reduce your suspicions of Archer? - @|TJ| - Same overall question as Araris. - @Amanuensis - What do you make of the overall situation? - @The Known Novel - You mentioned you wanted to VitC Archer. Why? I'm trying to understand where your views on Mat have shifted on D1. - @JNV - Thoughts on the EoD? - @Ashbringer - Why DeTess? Overall Thoughts: -I accept that Devo and DeTess think we can't rule out the possibility this was deliberate. Since I'm still alive for now, I'm going to advocate for my view, which is that the votes stayed stable on the Mat/Archer/DeTess triad for quite a while, to the point it built an EoD situation that was otherwise avoidable. With the low thread tempo and lack of urgency, I'm not very keen to believe this was not in fact an outcome the Elims were moderately alright with. -Likely at most one Elim in the three, if at all. Sure, we can postulate worlds in which the Elim team were super channelling Araris-TJ-Wiz. I don't really care to play these games right now because I'm in the business of reducing options, not exploding them. I don't really believe the Mat world chages things too much because Thug >>> Silver Dust where Wrath is concerned, bracketing SE!Mat worlds. SE!Mat worlds IMO increase the point, not decrease it, due to fragility. VC Tracker: At 0152hrs SGT: Quote Steel (1): Aloha DeTess (2): Mat, Sart Mat (2): Archer, DeTess Archer (2): Araris, TJ Aloha (2): Aman, Kas To be clear, this is after Rollovet. The votes are fairly stable. TKN et al take a stab at Mat but little changes in voting. At 0239hrs SGT: Quote Steel (1): Aloha DeTess (2): Mat, Sart Mat (2): Archer, DeTess Archer (2): Araris, TJ Aman (1): Kas DeTess, Mat, Archer remain tied in the lead. At 0329hrs SGT: Quote Steel (1): Aloha DeTess (2): Mat, Sart Mat (3): Archer, DeTess, Aman Archer (2): Araris, TJ Aman (1): Kas Aman breaks the vote in favour of Mat. DeTess and Archer are still close to the lead. Arguably protective of: 1. DeTess, 2. Archer. At 0546hrs: Quote Steel (1): Aloha DeTess (2): Mat, Sart Mat (2): DeTess, Aman Archer (2): Araris, TJ Aman (1): Kas TKN (1): Archer Archer chooses to vote TKN which is...weird. Weird reasoning overall and everyone ??? him about it. I don't really take this to be AI for Archer because V! and E!Archer will occasionally do things out of raw whim. Arguably protective of Mat, since doing this exposes Archer himself to some risk. (If theorising E!Archer, contention here is that Archer never intended to stay on TKN if the train didn't build, IMO.) FWIW I swear Archer has a weird thing for Sart. Everything Sart does, Archer flags and goes "Yes this is Village!" >> Quote Derp clear for not asking this in the elim doc Especially weird since Archer as an Elim likes to fake derp clears, cf. the Coinshot issue in AG9. At 0609hrs: @Matrim's Dice why this switch btw Quote Steel (1): Aloha DeTess (1): Sart Mat (2): DeTess, Aman Archer (3): Araris, TJ, Mat Aman (1): Kas TKN (1): Archer Mat switches off DeTess to Archer. Tbh I sort of like that move because I feel Archer's argument was very viscerally wtf to everyone. ? At 0745hrs: Quote Steel (1): Aloha DeTess (1): Sart Mat (2): DeTess, Aman Archer (3): Araris, TJ, Mat Aman (1): Kas Archer acknowledges the screw-up and unvotes TKN. I like this retraction here, actually. I tend to feel E!Archer is more relentless than V!Archer, he's a bit more screwball as V!Archer, though I have to take a quick recheck of some of his E/V games to be able to solidify this impression or not. ? At 0813hrs: Ash votes DeTess. Arguably protective of Archer, though if Ash really wanted to, Mat was a better CW. Quote Steel (1): Aloha DeTess (2): Sart, Ash Mat (2): DeTess, Aman Archer (3): Araris, TJ, Mat Aman (1): Kas At 0903hrs: Mat explicitly says he has a MatTunnel on Archer. And I kind of don't feel that great about this, actually. IDK. I'm trying to work out how to feel about it, given I'd flagged Stick's post previously about MatTunnel being a Village sign of Mat. It doesn't feel like it really was a tunnel; it feels like Mat trying to evoke the idea of a tunnel to go "Oh ok see this is my Village meta," given he just got V!read by Stick for having one in the MR. ? Quote Steel (1): Aloha DeTess (2): Sart, Ash Mat (2): DeTess, Aman Archer (3): Araris, TJ, Mat Aman (1): Kas No vc change. At 0954hrs: Devo makes a post not wanting to C1 Archer yet again. Also: Quote Fascinating. I think the elims want the votes to be close. Contested votes are especially valuable to them if they can get a bunch of villagers up for the exe since it's so easy for vote manipulation to throw suspicions around. I'd expect scattered elim votes, especially early on. This is true, but does seem to imply or desire a world in which there's little Elim threat in the votes. (As a necessary precondition.) Depending on what the vote disposition is, this could be a significant claim. I...need to go back and re-read my V!Devo / E!Devo notes, though. I had leaned V!Devo for the dgaf and the - well I'll get to it in a bit. At 1007hrs: Fae self-votes. FWIW I read that as more V!Fae than E!Fae. I think there's a very low bar for E!Fae to be presenteeist, and also kind of think that if Fae really wanted a PH, would be encouraged by team to get one rather than self-vote. Grudging ??? Quote Steel (1): Aloha DeTess (2): Sart, Ash Mat (2): DeTess, Aman Archer (3): Araris, TJ, Mat Aman (1): Kas Fae (1): Fae At 1052hrs: TKN getting Evil vibes from that MatTunnel post but not voting is a whole Choice tbh. I would say this was probably what made me stay/order for my vote to go to Mat but that'd be lying as I was just bashing my head into a wall for analysis by EoD and changing votes more than was healthy. At 1114hrs, just sixteen minutes to rollover: Quote DeTess (3): Sart, Ash, Aloha Mat (2): DeTess, Aman Archer (3): Araris, TJ, Mat Aman (1): Kas Fae (1): Fae Aloha swaps to DeTess. This is arguably a vote that saves Archer, and pads it a bit away from Mat. @TheAlpha929: Why DeTess? You also mentioned evil vibes from Mat - why not switch then? At 1117hrs: Mat stays put on Archer, arguing there is no functional difference between Archer and DeTess for him and both trains feel 'weird.' I'm trying to understand the shift in headspace from: Especially since Mat didn't really care about voting DeTess earlier? Wow am I crossing the floor to E!Mat again >> RIP why. At 1124hrs: I actually tend to read these kinds of posts from Devo as Evil because of the Kira vibes and I often feel they're actually not. E!Devo tends to gerrymander voting more than V!Devo, so I sort of want to give credit at this juncture. Quote DeTess (3): Sart, Ash, Aloha Mat (3): DeTess, Aman, Devotary Archer (3): Araris, TJ, Mat Aman (1): Kas Fae (1): Fae At 1128hrs: Mat converses with Devo but doesn't self-pres. Risk tolerance here? Knowledge of Archer's vote? IDK. I don't feel like I have a specific alignment read on this even though I probably should. Quote DeTess (3): Sart, Ash, Aloha Mat (3): DeTess, Aman, Devotary Archer (3): Araris, TJ, Mat Aman (1): Kas Fae (1): Fae At the exact same time, Archer votes for DeTess, saving himself and Mat. Quote DeTess (4): Sart, Ash, Aloha, Archer Mat (3): DeTess, Aman, Devotary Archer (3): Araris, TJ, Mat Aman (1): Kas Fae (1): Fae ...On paper. With the votes this close, I question whether the Elims were wary of a VitC shift here from the Village. I know Orlok and I were. Archer does have absurd risk tolerance, but even so. It's compatible with the E!Mat world but I've made my views amply clear I think. Net result: ??? about Mat, bordering occasional which yeah I'm gonna have to somehow reconcile with my views about Mat's SB. I'll do that later on, after more sleep and antipyretics. I feel good about Devo. I don't know if that's reasonable. I cannot say I feel any better about Aloha territory? And everything else will wait for when I'm not running a 39-40 degree fever, unfortunately
Ashbringer he/him Posted April 27, 2023 Posted April 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Kasimir said: - @Ashbringer - Why DeTess? I felt like Sart had decent points on how her first post sounded. Plus, it was a strong enough accusation that I felt like it should stick. And I want to stay engaged and forcing myself to make decisions like that does that.
Mat he/him Posted April 27, 2023 Posted April 27, 2023 15 minutes ago, Kasimir said: - @Matrim's Dice, if not for Archer, would you have self-pressed on DeTess? Probably not. As I said yesterday the trains had become about even to me for a variety of reasons (which I'll get into to a second) and as I knew I'd survive the tie even if I got hit I didn't particularly want to pick between the two because I'm a coward :P. Idk if I would have self pressed had I not been a Thug but I certainly would have been more likely to. 17 minutes ago, Kasimir said: @Matrim's Dice why this switch btw ... Mat explicitly says he has a MatTunnel on Archer. And I kind of don't feel that great about this, actually. IDK. I'm trying to work out how to feel about it, given I'd flagged Stick's post previously about MatTunnel being a Village sign of Mat. It doesn't feel like it really was a tunnel; it feels like Mat trying to evoke the idea of a tunnel to go "Oh ok see this is my Village meta," given he just got V!read by Stick for having one in the MR. I switched basically for what you said, his arguments not adding up. I think the reason it didn't feel like a tunnel to you was because the majority of it was happening behind the scenes. Since his first vote on me, I'd felt ??? about him (his vote(s) were based on my annoyance being an elim tell, yet he never said where I showed signs of annoyance even though I asked multiple times) and that read kinda snowballed and culminated in the post right before I voted him. I guess it kinda does look like I manifested the read just 'because' but I'm also hyper-aware of that being a Thing after recently failing to admit to tunneling on Stick (which was a legit thing even though I was Mobborn), so I was actively trying to suppress the tunnel as it was building. Does that make sense? I feel like that was too many run-on sentences >> 25 minutes ago, Kasimir said: Mat stays put on Archer, arguing there is no functional difference between Archer and DeTess for him and both trains feel 'weird.' I'm trying to understand the shift in headspace from: [Archer e read] Especially since Mat didn't really care about voting DeTess earlier? That was a combination of realizing Archer just got D1d + not trying to full-send the tunnel + DeTess becoming a viable train again thanks to Ash. So they became even-ish.
The Paradoxical Phenomenon he/him Posted April 27, 2023 Posted April 27, 2023 @Kasimir it won’t let me quote you, but in answer to your question: I would like to speak to my lawyer. Jk, it was really late, I think I’m GMT +3 rn? So I was tired and not thinking. I honestly should have voted Mat, then he wouldn’t be an issue anymore
Mat he/him Posted April 27, 2023 Posted April 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, TheAlpha929 said: Jk, it was really late, I think I’m GMT +3 rn? So I was tired and not thinking. I honestly should have voted Mat, then he wouldn’t be an issue anymore I mean I technically was exed last turn :P.
The Paradoxical Phenomenon he/him Posted April 27, 2023 Posted April 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said: I mean I technically was exed last turn :P. Oh Uh oops
Archer he/him Posted April 27, 2023 Posted April 27, 2023 I lived! And Tea Leaf really self voted. Hi, Illwei! I was committed this game to giving e!Mat more of a fight than I did in the MR. I promised myself that I wouldn't ignore the annoyance tell again, at least not until it was proven wrong. So I was on that like a hawk when it manifested, but I've since decided that I was just making things up that I wanted to be true. If I'm wrong, I will be flipping tables. But unfortunately, I'm fairly sure Mat is innocent. I'd wager DeTess is too at this point. I think there'd probably be a free pass C1 for VitCing. Enough that an elim could have put a vote on me to give one of the others a better chance at survival. Tie Guys are usually read as village. Although Devo was less spontaneous chaosmongery than a usual village Tie Guy, so I'm maybe open to the possibility of e!Devo and e!DeTess.
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted April 27, 2023 Posted April 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Kasimir said: you framed your late vote as posing a choice to Mat, to see who he would self-pres on. Does this mean you were functionally indifferent to which of Mat, Archer, and DeTess died? -I accept that Devo and DeTess think we can't rule out the possibility this was deliberate. Since I'm still alive for now, I'm going to advocate for my view, which is that the votes stayed stable on the Mat/Archer/DeTess triad for quite a while, to the point it built an EoD situation that was otherwise avoidable. With the low thread tempo and lack of urgency, I'm not very keen to believe this was not in fact an outcome the Elims were moderately alright with. I would have voted Archer had he not been exed C1 of MR 63, especially after his last-minute vote for DeTess. Of the remaining two, I preferred exing Mat over DeTess but didn't feel confident about either being evil. Not worth the risk of avoiding rather than deliberate, but that's most likely with silver boned Mat as the only elim of the three, which I'd lean against since I'd still put Archer as the highest suspicion among them. This was supposed to be an easy scouting job. Silence, or whatever her new moniker is, wouldn't have brought both her children along if she'd expected this much danger. I knew it was a mistake to become her partner. We'd worked well together for years; I didn't ask why she needed me to watch her children shortly before the White Fox brought in another bounty, she didn't ask why nobody knows anything about my sister-in-law's husband. Now, she's back to bounty-hunting and her children along with her, which means I got dragged along to make sure they don't die, and to ensure nobody questions why an innkeeper's daughters are exploring the forests for silver. At least the money's good. Silence can afford to pay now that she's not in debt anymore, and Sar and I definitely need the help. No amount of money is worth getting killed by our fellow homesteaders though.
Amanuensis he/him Posted April 27, 2023 Posted April 27, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Kasimir said: @Amanuensis - What do you make of the overall situation? Am I crazy for saying I want all three dead to save me the headache? More seriously, I don’t know if I would have kept my vote on Mat if I knew he’s a Thug. Am currently wondering if that led to his coolheadedness when I put him in the lead. Hadn’t felt one way or another about him up until that point, but the tie hadn’t changed for a while and I wanted to see if exe pressure could squeeze anything out of him. That all said, I would have liked it if he claimed bones before he lost them, so we could at least factor that in >> Lack of flips is discouraging, and if v!Mat, NK padding would have been nice. Minimal wagon movement near the end seems to suggest no one other than Archer cared to intervene, which is interesting because Mat’s vote stuck to Archer when he could have self-pressed on DeTess and Archer’s vote had landed on Mat several times. On reread, it feels a little too aggressive of a D1 distancing strategy to me, as well as overtly uncoordinated, but could be V/E. To me, Archer looks the worst of the two. That said, his final vote did remind of the game we just finished’s C1. He’d been suspecting Stick for most of that cycle and in the end when he came to getting ML’d, he initially refused my suggestion to self-pres on Stick because “he’d lost his appetite for it.” Possible cold feet or read development was a factor again, but he’s on my list of people to vote tomorrow. DeTess seems fine to me, for the record. I hadn’t remotely suspected her last game, but in this one she feels more cohesive, for lack of a better word. Edited April 28, 2023 by Amanuensis
Mat he/him Posted April 28, 2023 Posted April 28, 2023 41 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: That all said, I would have liked it if he claimed bones before he lost them, so we could at least factor that in >> In all fairness, I didn’t expect to lose them :P. The 1/3 chance was low enough that I felt comfortable keeping my vote where it was. I think if I’d been clearly up I would have claimed.
Kasimir he/him Posted April 28, 2023 Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said: That was a combination of realizing Archer just got D1d + not trying to full-send the tunnel + DeTess becoming a viable train again thanks to Ash. So they became even-ish. I assume this didn't really influence you that much in the end? You did choose to self-pres on Archer rather than DeTess. DeTess/Mat tinfoil gogo 5 hours ago, TheAlpha929 said: I would like to speak to my lawyer. In Soviet SE, your lawyer speaks to you :eyes: 5 hours ago, TheAlpha929 said: Jk, it was really late, I think I’m GMT +3 rn? So I was tired and not thinking. I honestly should have voted Mat, then he wouldn’t be an issue anymore Bah I sort of like this, it feels kind of pure but at the same time... Ok, I get tired and not thinking. So I take it you kind of sus both DeTess and Mat? Any chance of spelling out what your feelings are about them? 4 hours ago, Archer said: I was committed this game to giving e!Mat more of a fight than I did in the MR. I promised myself that I wouldn't ignore the annoyance tell again, at least not until it was proven wrong. So I was on that like a hawk when it manifested, but I've since decided that I was just making things up that I wanted to be true. If I'm wrong, I will be flipping tables. But unfortunately, I'm fairly sure Mat is innocent. What's motivating this view/shift? I can at least definitely see it with how elastic your vote was towards Mat. 3 hours ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: I would have voted Archer had he not been exed C1 of MR 63, especially after his last-minute vote for DeTess. Of the remaining two, I preferred exing Mat over DeTess but didn't feel confident about either being evil. So if you could make your own train, where would it have been? 3 hours ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: Not worth the risk of avoiding rather than deliberate, but that's most likely with silver boned Mat as the only elim of the three, which I'd lean against since I'd still put Archer as the highest suspicion among them. So which order would you execute them in, and at which point would you stop? 2 hours ago, Amanuensis said: Am I crazy for saying I want all three dead to save me the headache? No, but this is why the SE gods have never allowed me to be a Coinshot for a very long time. 2 hours ago, Amanuensis said: More seriously, I don’t know if I would have kept my vote on Mat if I knew he’s a Thug. Am currently wondering if that led to his coolheadedness when I put him in the lead. Hadn’t felt one way or another about him up until that point, but the tie hadn’t changed for a while and I wanted to see if exe pressure could squeeze anything out of him. That all said, I would have liked it if he claimed bones before he lost them, so we could at least factor that in >> Lack of flips is discouraging, and if v!Mat, NK padding would have been nice. I can't really disagree with this view, yeah. 2 hours ago, Amanuensis said: Minimal wagon movement near the end seems to suggest no one other than Archer cared to intervene, which is interesting because Mat’s vote stuck to Archer when he could have self-pressed on DeTess and Archer’s vote had landed on Mat several times. On reread, it feels a little too aggressive of a D1 distancing strategy to me, as well as overtly uncoordinated, but could be V/E. To me, Archer looks the worst of the two. K so for me, I'm trying to compensate a bit because Archer is a bit like Sart for me: half the time I will look at what V!them are doing and go "wtf mates u mad bro?" So I guess my question is: why does Archer look worse to you? I'm trying to figure out if I'm overcompensating, and I think one reason for my bad reads in LG93 was directly taking sus and Elim things and saying "man that's so sus no Elim would do this." I sort of did like the TKN sidetrain and the lack of a smooth recovery - it felt like Archer was genuinely stumped there, and I didn't think E!Archer would've lacked for options. But I'm not confident of this view. I also like the Mat elasticity for the same reason - it feels sincere. 2 hours ago, Amanuensis said: DeTess seems fine to me, for the record. I hadn’t remotely suspected her last game, but in this one she feels more cohesive, for lack of a better word. I don't know where to stand about her, but I think her conflict with Archer comes from a perspective I think is a tad more Village than Archer's. I also do feel there's a difference in her mode of engagement with the game, for lack of a better word. 2 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said: In all fairness, I didn’t expect to lose them :P. The 1/3 chance was low enough that I felt comfortable keeping my vote where it was. I think if I’d been clearly up I would have claimed. Also fair. In terms of rough, overall views at this point in time: - Kas (I'm Seraphimon!) - Steel, JNV, TJ Spoiler JNV is italicised because they could be a bit lower than Patamon. I don't really like disengagement Village reads on principle because they create an investment for the player not to play the game and feels a bit like trying to turn the absence of evidence itself into evidence. TJ is italicised - I have a good read on TJ in general but probably should revise downwards because I tend to over-V!read TJ as it were. - Sart, Aman, Devo, Fae Spoiler Thoughts on Devo and Fae mentioned previously, but I could see them revised downwards. Devo depends a lot on my assessment of how E!Devo feels v. V!Devo so I need to take a look there. Will try to do it before rollover. - Illrao, Araris, TKN, <Archer, Mat, DeTess>, Alvron Spoiler Worth noting that Araris's thread control game is a bit based on control killing, so I'd start to feel more concerned if he comes significantly alive after the noisy players are dead. For the living, FYI pls. Same on TKN - no helpfulness by C3, something's fishy. I feel TKN could be revised up a bit, but my gut isn't too comfortable with that. Archer, Mat, DeTess triad are a bloody headache and I swear I cannot form a stable read on any of them and it's annoying to me >> Currently E-leaning Mat, V-leaning Archer and DeTess, expecting this worldview to change yet again as I go over everything. Not enough to go off on for Alv. - Alpha Spoiler I don't feel my points have substantively shifted and I feel Alpha is being more shifty and less helpful than in previous games, with a decrease in engagement. I think one could argue an Elim team would be coaching Alpha through this at this point. I'm not confident of this argument because of LG93. Insights appreciated. Edited to add: Semi-obvious comment but someone has to say it. If Mat flips V!SE, look very carefully at everyone pushing him (yes am aware this has included me at points.) I almost feel the Elims are probably playing the IKYK game right now (have fun ) and will likely seek to resolve him by exe in order to not have to deal with him Lurching. Edited to add 2: After re-reading LG80, MR61, and QF64, I'm willing to downgrade Devo to the tier, with a bit of an asterisk. I feel it could go either way at this point - her Village meta isn't showing clearly enough for me to feel comfortable with the stronger read. (Cf. V!Devo's dgaf versus the more narrow engagement characteristic of E!Devo.) Edited April 28, 2023 by Kasimir
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted April 28, 2023 Posted April 28, 2023 45 minutes ago, Kasimir said: So if you could make your own train, where would it have been? So which order would you execute them in, and at which point would you stop? Alpha or TKN in that order. Archer then DeTess then Mat, but I'm not going to start with any of them tomorrow.
Mat he/him Posted April 28, 2023 Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Kasimir said: I assume this didn't really influence you that much in the end? You did choose to self-pres on Archer rather than DeTess. Not that much, no. Enough to cause me to consider switching to DeTess but not enough to actually do it. It’s interesting you call my Archer vote self pres when in my head it wasn’t really that; voting DeTess would have felt more in that direction I suppose. Edit: Also, I’ve never been a Coinshot full stop, so :P. Edited April 28, 2023 by Matrim's Dice
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted April 28, 2023 Posted April 28, 2023 @Kasimir, I'm feeling very conflicted on Mat right, probably a very slight e though. I'm also dealing with some OMGUS/WitW suspicion of Archer, but I'm willing to believe your take on him since I don't really trust my OMGUS reactions.
Illwei Posted April 28, 2023 Posted April 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, The Known Novel said: @Kasimir, I'm feeling very conflicted on Mat right, probably a very slight e though. I'm also dealing with some OMGUS/WitW suspicion of Archer, but I'm willing to believe your take on him since I don't really trust my OMGUS reactions. Respectfully can we keep the "OMGUS" phrase out of here since it stands for oh my god you suck after someone puts a wrong read on you
Mat he/him Posted April 28, 2023 Posted April 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Illwei said: Respectfully can we keep the "OMGUS" phrase out of here since it stands for oh my god you suck after someone puts a wrong read on you I've just always taken it as a term for a retaliation vote Which I guess is kinda what you just said Anyway, got any reads?
Illwei Posted April 28, 2023 Posted April 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: I've just always taken it as a term for a retaliation vote Which I guess is kinda what you just said Anyway, got any reads? Nah What does witw mean
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted April 28, 2023 Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Illwei said: Respectfully can we keep the "OMGUS" phrase out of here since it stands for oh my god you suck after someone puts a wrong read on you ...That's exactly what I was using it to mean? Or at least somewhere between that and what Mat said. Like, I'm saying I'm slightly sussing Archer for elim reading me, especially since it was in a weird way. 3 minutes ago, Illwei said: Nah What does witw mean I'm using it as an equivalent to wtf, I just prefer to stay as far away from swears as possible. Edit: Should probably say, it's abbreviating 'what in the world.' Edited April 28, 2023 by The Known Novel
Ashbringer he/him Posted April 28, 2023 Posted April 28, 2023 I think that's the idea. Alpha might be a good place to start, although I'd imagine... hmm.
Kasimir he/him Posted April 28, 2023 Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, The Known Novel said: ...That's exactly what I was using it to mean? Or at least somewhere between that and what Mat said. Like, I'm saying I'm slightly sussing Archer for elim reading me, especially since it was in a weird way. I'm not necessarily sure I would trust me on that. I think QF63 and LG93 showed I have a real weakness in terms of trying to read weird things players do and go "this is so weird no Elim would do that." Cf. giving Wiz a pass for that last minute tie, TJ for that weird "I suspect Ash but will vote Sart", and something Araris did in that same game I don't really recall. Edited to add: 1 minute ago, Ashbringer said: Alpha might be a good place to start, although I'd imagine... hmm. The one place I do hesitate is again, I wonder if Aloha's teammates would've talked him through offering a read. Since most of my pressure on Aloha comes from the fact I think a consistent in their play is engagement with the game and that's missing here - obvious element being there's nothing to solve as an Elim in thread. But then again, I also tend to overclear players with that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Edited April 28, 2023 by Kasimir
The Paradoxical Phenomenon he/him Posted April 28, 2023 Posted April 28, 2023 Umm…kindle… hard to quote, so… @Kasimir In regards to your statement on how I seem more shifty and less helpful: There's a reason I was gonna sit this one out. I am so busy this week, I'm going on a road trip tomorrow, there have been some birthdays in my family, I recently got back from an overnight backpacking trip, we've been having a ton of vehicle issues, and a few other things. I can blue-text it if you need me to. Like I mentioned earlier, my head really isn't in the game. After tomorrow, or possibly on the 30th, I should be able to focus better.
Kasimir he/him Posted April 28, 2023 Posted April 28, 2023 Just now, TheAlpha929 said: Umm…kindle… hard to quote, so… @Kasimir In regards to your statement on how I seem more shifty and less helpful: There's a reason I was gonna sit this one out. I am so busy this week, I'm going on a road trip tomorrow, there have been some birthdays in my family, I recently got back from an overnight backpacking trip, we've been having a ton of vehicle issues, and a few other things. I can blue-text it if you need me to. Like I mentioned earlier, my head really isn't in the game. After tomorrow, or possibly on the 30th, I should be able to focus better. Fair enough. Back to the drawing board then...
The Paradoxical Phenomenon he/him Posted April 28, 2023 Posted April 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: I think that's the idea. Alpha might be a good place to start, although I'd imagine... hmm. What would you imagine? So, I think my only true v read is Kas. I don't have any hard e reads, but Mat might be up there, and I could see DeTess or Archer. Maybe slight e!TKN read, but that's mostly gut, and I don't have many good SE instincts yet. Ash is pretty much in the idek category, with Illwei.
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