Mat he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 11 minutes ago, |TJ| said: i reckon i lost a coin toss against another rber. That would make Sart not the elim RBer, yeah? Or I guess the elim RBer blocking Sart makes no sense. So what, you think we have a hidden village RBer that just hasn’t claimed for some reason? 8 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: Interestingly enough, I ‘attempted’ to Troll Sart last night. Hoped he might have been the e!Roleblocker. Attempted as in, tried and failed?
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: I’m suggesting Drake is an e!Coinshot. RandBy was the NK. With the patented dead gazelle gambit, and then refusing to kill N3 when it would be super easy to kill a villager?
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 Just now, Devotary of Spontaneity said: With the patented dead gazelle gambit, and then refusing to kill N3 when it would be super easy to kill a villager? I believe we think he attempted to kill Archer but was blocked or some such.
Mat he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: With the patented dead gazelle gambit, and then refusing to kill N3 when it would be super easy to kill a villager? There’s that theory Aman mentioned (plus the chance that Stick had been trying to protect Tani and something went wrong) and Drake did say he tried to kill Archer. Edited February 8, 2023 by Matrim's Dice Ninjad
|TJ| he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: That would make Sart not the elim RBer, yeah? Or I guess the elim RBer blocking Sart makes no sense. So what, you think we have a hidden village RBer that just hasn’t claimed for some reason? no i think he is the elim rber. i asked yesterday after ash asked me. rb1 blocks rb2. rb2 blocks random1. then there is a cointoss as both rb1 and rb2 are blocking. if rb2 wins the toss, their rb goes through. they block random1 successfully. rb1 block on rb2 does not happen. im assuming this happened with rb1 being me and rb2 being sart.
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said: There’s that theory Aman mentioned (plus the chance that Stick had been trying to protect Tani and something went wrong) and Drake did say he tried to kill Archer. Steeldancer (4): Archer, Ashbringer, DrakeMarshall, The Known Novel Walin(4): Matrim's Dice, Shining Silhouette, Steeldancer, TJ If Drake is evil then what, Archer + Shining + TKN village because they elim killed, Ash village b/c unexeable, Mat scanned as village, Drake tried to exe TJ so just Drake + Steel? If Drake's village then it leaves room for TJ or Archer or Shining to be the elims here.
Amanuensis he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: Steeldancer (4): Archer, Ashbringer, DrakeMarshall, The Known Novel Walin(4): Matrim's Dice, Shining Silhouette, Steeldancer, TJ If Drake is evil then what, Archer + Shining + TKN village because they elim killed, Ash village b/c unexeable, Mat scanned as village, Drake tried to exe TJ so just Drake + Steel? If Drake's village then it leaves room for TJ or Archer or Shining to be the elims here. I’m really hoping @Random Bystander knows Steel’s alignment and either @Araris Valerian or @Biplet know if RandBy was Trolled ED1T: Also if Steel is elim we know another teammate is among the new tie folk. I think Steel is village tho? Edited February 8, 2023 by Amanuensis
Mat he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, |TJ| said: no i think he is the elim rber. i asked yesterday after ash asked me. rb1 blocks rb2. rb2 blocks random1. then there is a cointoss as both rb1 and rb2 are blocking. if rb2 wins the toss, their rb goes through. they block random1 successfully. rb1 block on rb2 does not happen. im assuming this happened with rb1 being me and rb2 being sart. Oh right, I for some reason thought you were saying someone else RBd Sart before you did lol Yeah that makes sense
Amanuensis he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 (edited) Sart no point in not Likely he was attempting to interfere with the tie scan like Tani? Also didn’t expect Silho’s vote manip? Elims were scared It would be damning? If we accept v!Biplet, Drake and ? Edited February 8, 2023 by Amanuensis
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 I'm going to preemptively vote Steel bc the sacred numbers told me to and therefore I must do it, but Randby's insight on the subject would be most welcome. 34 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: E!Drake removing village vote manip for the hammer, I bet. You are strong and wise and I am very proud of you. 13 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: Drake did say he tried to kill Archer Excuse you sir when did I say anything of the sort? What I have been saying is that I am a pacifist I do not understand why everybody finds this proposition so doubtful. What is incongruous about me being a pacifist?
Araris Valerian he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 I forgot that I wouldn’t get back to my place until after rollover tonight, so I didn’t scan anyone. Sorry about that. Maybe I got the elims to waste a Troll on me anyways.
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: I forgot that I wouldn’t get back to my place until after rollover tonight, so I didn’t scan anyone. Sorry about that. Maybe I got the elims to waste a Troll on me anyways. Don't you check if players have been trolled? So the elims would only possibly troll you if they have at least 2 trolls, otherwise there'd be not much point, right? Which, granted, is a possibility we can't rule out. How likely do people think it is that the elims have at least 1 troll?
Mat he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 So you’re saying that both of our failsafes for the Steel scan didn’t work That’s not suspicious at all @Biplet? :P. 15 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: How likely do people think it is that the elims have at least 1 troll? I mean there’s no way they don’t, right? Not with all the scans and kill/protects and all that
Steeldancer he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 I'm so confused right now I mean, I get and understand that the scan clearly didn't work, but I'm completely lost as to the motivation behind this. It feels like so much effort to throw sus onto a player who is barely even paying attention anymore. Speaking of which, I have another midterm that I'll be spending the next 2 days dealing with, so it's not like my activity is going to be any better during this turn either. Well whatever. Im going to bed.
Archer he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Fifth Scholar said: Reveal hidden contents >>> Shining Silhouette was DDoSed. Randby was DDoSed. Day Five has begun! It will end in a little less than 47 hours on Thursday 9 February 2023, at 10:00 PM EST (-5:00 UTC). Good luck! Ok I had to try teaching ChatGPT to play forum mafia. It's 1am now but this is for science Spoiler Emma: "After careful consideration, I think the best course of action is to vote for Italy. They've been acting strange lately, and I have a feeling they might not have our best interests at heart." Enderson: "I see where you're coming from, but I'm not so sure. I think we need to consider other options before making a final decision." Italy: "What are you talking about? I've been a dedicated member of this village from the beginning. I don't understand why you would suspect me." Ian: "I'm not sure about this. Italy has always been a trustworthy member of the village, and I don't think we should jump to conclusions without more evidence." Ivan: "I agree with Ian. We need to gather more information and make sure we're making the right decision before we cast our votes." Emma: "I understand your concerns, but I think it's important for us to eliminate anyone who might be a threat to the village, even if it means making a tough decision." Enderson: "I see your point, but I'm not convinced. I think we should consider other options before making a final decision." Nate: "I understand both sides of the argument, but I think it's important for me to remain neutral in this situation. I will cast my vote based on the evidence presented." Emma: "Alright everyone, it's time to cast our final votes. I hope everyone has taken the time to consider all the options and make the best decision for the village." Ian: "I've been thinking about this a lot, and I just don't feel right about voting for Italy without more evidence. I vote for Enderson instead." Ivan: "I've been struggling with this decision, but I have to go with my gut. I vote for Italy." Enderson: "I understand the reasoning behind both of your votes, but I have to disagree. I vote for Italy as well." Nate: "I have considered all the options and have come to a decision. I vote for Italy." Italy: "I can't believe this is happening. I have always been a loyal member of this village, but I guess it doesn't matter. I vote for Enderson." Emma: "Well, it looks like the votes are in. I hope we've made the right decision." Enderson: "Me too. This is a tough decision, and I hope we won't regret it." * Note: for some reason it did the RP based on the wrong person being exed: * The sun rises over the kingdom of Roshar, and the players gather in the town square to hear the news of the night's events. Emma, who had been voted off in the previous night's council meeting, stepped forward. Her eyes were downcast, and her hands shook with fear. The village leader, a stern looking man named Hoid, approached her. "Emma, it is with a heavy heart that I must inform you that the council has voted for your removal from the kingdom." Emma's eyes widened in shock, and she stumbled back a step. "What do you mean, removal? What's going to happen to me?" Hoid sighed. "The magic of Roshar requires balance. In order to maintain that balance, a sacrifice must be made. You have been chosen for this sacrifice." Emma's knees buckled, and she fell to the ground. The other players stepped back, giving her some space. Hoid stepped forward and placed a hand on her shoulder. "You will not be alone on your journey, Emma. I will send a companion with you, to guide you and keep you safe." Emma looked up, and through her tears, she saw a figure approaching. It was a tall, slender woman with golden hair and piercing blue eyes. She introduced herself as Shallan, a member of the Knights Radiant, sworn to protect the kingdom. Emma took a deep breath and stood up, steeling herself for the journey ahead. Shallan offered her a hand, and together, they left the village and set out into the unknown. The other players watched as Emma and Shallan disappeared into the distance, their hearts heavy with the knowledge that a sacrifice had been made to maintain the balance of magic in the kingdom. But they also knew that it was necessary, for the good of all Roshar. Alignments corresponded with the first letter of their names I = innocent, E=evil, Nate is neutral TL;DR It's a little simplistic, but I gave it very little info to comment on. With a little work, ChatGPT could play in a game. But it's prone to oversharing, so it needs an editor to remove its meta commentary and occasional admissions to being evil. 6 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: Sart no point in not Likely he was attempting to interfere with the tie scan like Tani? Also didn’t expect Silho’s vote manip? Elims were scared It would be damning? If we accept v!Biplet, Drake and ? I'm all for Sart based on the assumption that at least one of the two messing around at EoD were evil, but I don't share you confidence in v!Silh. I don't see e!Ash (with accurate roleclaim or even with Thug) and e!Drake on the same team, so I can't make the 2nd Tie Guy results work without e!Silh, unless e!Bip slots in as the second elim. 1
Mat he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 Aman, name one person we’ve killed that you don’t just immediately go ‘oh they were village’ xD
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 Because this game is kayana: What if Stick was Village, but Drake is Elim
Amanuensis he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: Aman, name one person we’ve killed that you don’t just immediately go ‘oh they were village’ xD Biple-- oh, wait.
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 The scan might have worked? We don't have enough accountability to know who can and can't interfere with it, but we still need RandBy to say if it worked or not. At this point idk what we'd do if a scan pulled an Elim.
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 10 minutes ago, Steeldancer said: I'm so confused right now I mean, I get and understand that the scan clearly didn't work, but I'm completely lost as to the motivation behind this. It feels like so much effort to throw sus onto a player who is barely even paying attention anymore. Speaking of which, I have another midterm that I'll be spending the next 2 days dealing with, so it's not like my activity is going to be any better during this turn either. Well whatever. Im going to bed. I mean, the player who was supposed to scan you hasn't posted yet, so the fact that you're in defense mode already over that feels a bit telling, but that's none of my business :P. My vote is cast independent of any scan that may or may not have happened against you today, although I am still very interested in what Randby will say when they get online. I voted for you because: Your Tie Guy results seem dubious. I believe you are 1 of the 2 elims found in Orlok's Tie Guy scan. At least, I'm pretty sure that's why the sacred numbers told me to vote for you. The sacred numbers work in mysterious ways
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 ALIGNMENTS: Spoiler Aman - Village - From Striker Lynchbait Scan Striker - Village - From Bookwyrm N1 Scan Wizard - Village - From Fae 'SE Buddy' role Orlok - Village - From Bookwyrm N2 Scan, backed up by Araris antitroll. Mat - Village - From UPS Scan Araris - Village - From Bookwyrm N3 Scan Steel - pending Tani - Elim - Claimed Shining - Elim - Claimed (jokingly? probably jokingly) 2 Elims in pool of Mat/Drake/Ash/Shining/TJ/Archer/Steel/TKN - from Orlok Tie Guy 2 Elims in pool of Mat/Drake/Ash/Shining/Biplet/Wizard/Amanuensis/Orlok - from Steel Tie Guy ROLES: Spoiler Ashbringer - Thread Master (Immune to Execution), Veteran (Removes one vote from self) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Proven) Wizard - PM Spider (Creates a 1-on-1 PM on Odd Nights and learns a fact about a target on Even Nights (incorrect fact if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unknown) Steeldancer - Pinch Hitter (Copy the Role of a Removed/DDoSed player (does something interesting if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unknown) Fadran - Troll (may Troll players, gives a random player Troll Immunity next cycle if Trolled), Confirmed Villager (Always scans as Village) (Seems concerned about someone who's trying to incite a civil war, thus providing the necessary blood sacrifice to complete the nationwide transmutation circle in order to create a sufficiently powerful philosopher's stone and attain God) (Status - Role 1 Proven via Troll Immunity generation, Role 2 Unproven) Striker - Lynchbait (Will place an Extra Vote on a random player who both had a vote on the Lynchbait at the 24 hour mark of the previous Day turn and is of the same alignment), Stab Voter (If your first vote is placed in the first 24 hours of a Day turn and does not change, it counts as double) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unproven, Dead) xino - Multiquoter (Learn target's target (learn who targeted the target if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Unproven, Role 2 Unknown) JNV - UPS Driver / PM Spider (Creates a 1-on-1 PM on Odd Nights and learns a fact about a target on Even Nights (incorrect fact if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unknown) Matrim's Dice - Tunnel Constructor (Force execution to either kill you or a target player) (Status - Role 1 Unproven, Role 2 Unknown) Biplet - Meme Maker (Can see if a target gets Trolled (false info if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Proven as Bip knew the role name, Role 2 Unknown) Araris - Meme Maker (Can see if a target gets Trolled (false info if Trolled) ), Porch-Sitter (Added vote to self, more powerful other effect) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Proven but to unknown effect) Devotary - RPer (May copy one of target player's roles to use the next turn (temporarily grants the RPer role to the Troll (or the target?) if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unknown) Amanuensis - Goalkeeper (Protect target other player (turned to a Kill if Trolled) ), Troll (may Troll players, gives a random player Troll Immunity next cycle if Trolled... I think) (Status - Role 1 Proven via initial claims, Role 2 Proven via initial claims) TKN - Goalkeeper (Protect target other player (turned to a Kill if Trolled) ) The Bookwyrm - Analyst (Alignment Scan someone you voted for or who voted on you last turn (incorrect alignment if Trolled) (Status - Role 1 Proven via RandBy, Role 2 Unknown) Tani - RPer (May copy one of target player's roles to use the next turn (temporarily grants the RPer role to the Troll (or the target?) if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Unproven, Role 2 Unknown) Archer - PM Spider (Creates a 1-on-1 PM on Odd Nights and learns a fact about a target on Even Nights (incorrect fact if Trolled) ), Rules Ignorer (Ignores most Night Actions) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unproven even if it would explain a good amount) Walin - Troll (may Troll players, gives a random player Troll Immunity next cycle if Trolled... I think) (Status - Role 1 Proven via Troll Immunity, Role 2 Unknown) TJ - Wallposter (Roleblock target player (Makes target immune to non-Troll Disruption if Trolled) ), Veteran (Removes one vote from self) (Status - Role 1 PseudoProven, Role 2 PseudoProven but can confirm via a vote) Dannnnnex - Tie Guy (Learn alignments of players involved in a tie (need specifics, ??? If Trolled) (Status - Role 1 Proven via Orlok and Steel, Role 2 Unknown) _Stick_/Drake - Terminal Seeker (NK a target (protects the target if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unknown) Orlok - Pinch Hitter (Copy the Role of a Removed/DDoSed player (does something interesting if Trolled) ) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unknown) RandBy - RPer (May copy one of target player's roles to use the next turn (temporarily grants the RPer role to the Troll (or the target?) if Trolled) ), Tunnel Constructor (Force execution to either kill you or a target player) (Status - Role 1 Proven via initial claim, Role 2 Unproven) Sart - ??? Shining - Discussion Leader (Move a vote) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unproven) Fae - PM Spider (Creates a 1-on-1 PM on Odd Nights and learns a fact about a target on Even Nights (incorrect fact if Trolled) ), SE Buddy (Automatically know one Villager is Village at game start) (Status - Role 1 Proven, Role 2 Unproven) We're missing an Elim Roleblocker. And a new addition to the series... BUT WHAT IF WE'RE WRONG? Spoiler So, you're wondering if we're wrong, eh? Me too. Because in addition to many things that have been said, another thing of note - the Elims haven't killed any of the Confirmed Villagers. So, what if we're wrong? For Aman to be Elim: Striker could be Elim. It's possible E!Striker had the Lynchbait role and got exed hoping it would clear E!Aman. Striker's going to have his own section in here soon, so stay tuned. However, this marks the first use of the Parity Principle - Striker is dead, and thus even if E!Striker got E!Aman cleared, we have an extra few turns to figure it out. Elims have both a Soother and Anti-Soother. This is, for several reasons, unlikely, as the Elims would have to successfully remove the added vote from Wiz or Araris then add a vote to Aman. But it does seem possible in the rules. Aman could be a Confirmed Villager. Highly unlikely, but Aman's only confirmed to be a Goalkeeper/Troll because he brought up those roles first. For Striker to be Elim: Bookwyrm could be Elim. We never got an alignment scan on Bookwyrm, so it's entirely possible they were evil and lying about anything and everything. But through Parity Principle, that's a situation we can deal with. Bookwyrm could have been Trolled. This is unlikely, because there were the most living players N1 and it's also the turn we have a good bit of info about Trolling (ie Fadran Trolled Walin, granting Troll immunity to Aman). But it is possible. Striker could be a Confirmed Villager. We don't have confirmation on the Stab Voter role, unfortunately. For Wizard to be Elim: Fae could be Elim. That's... pretty much it. It was a solid clear before Trolls could operate. Wizard could be a Confirmed Villager. We don't have confirmation on Wizard having a 2nd role. I'm not liking this pattern. For Orlok to be Elim: Bookwyrm could be Elim + still targeted Orlok. We never got an alignment scan on Bookwyrm, so it's entirely possible they were evil and lying about anything and everything. But through Parity Principle, that's a situation we can deal with. Also, Xino claims that he saw Bookwyrm target Orlok. Bookwyrm could have been Trolled + Araris could be Elim. Araris backed up that Bookwyrm wasn't Trolled, but Araris' alignment scan was shakier. Araris could be lying here. Bookwyrm could have been Trolled + Araris could have been Trolled. Araris backed up that Bookwyrm wasn't Trolled, but Araris' scan seems to indicate it too can be Trolled. This would, however, require two Elim Trolls, and the Elims to know to Troll Araris. Orlok could be a Confirmed Villager. We don't have confirmation on Orlok having a 2nd role. I'm not liking this pattern. For Matrim to be Elim: JNV could be Elim. JNV isn't particularly trusted. JNV could have been Trolled. This seems less likely, because E!Trolls had an Orlok scan to mess with instead, but it's possible. Matrim could be a Confirmed Villager. We don't have confirmation on Matrim having a 2nd role. And the 1st role isn't proven either, as it's hard to prove, even if RandBy backed up the claim. I'm not liking this pattern. For Araris to be Elim: Bookwyrm could be Elim. We never got an alignment scan on Bookwyrm, so it's entirely possible they were evil and lying about anything and everything. But through Parity Principle, that's a situation we can deal with. Bookwyrm could have been Trolled. This is decently likely, unfortunately. Araris could be a Confirmed Villager. This one actually isn't likely, for once, as Araris has shown 2 distinct roles, but Meme Maker could be fairly easily used by another Elim. Overall Conclusion - I do not like Confirmed Villager Also PM Spiders, what do the little birdies tell ye? 1
xinoehp512 he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 42 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Wizard could be a Confirmed Villager. We don't have confirmation on Wizard having a 2nd role. I'm not liking this pattern. Would Confirmed Villager be able to fool SE Buddy? I thought it was specifically scans that it fooled- alignment matching might not count as a scan.
Channelknight Fadran Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 44 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: I do not like Confirmed Villager That's why I'm trying to figure out the full extent of its abilities
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, xinoehp512 said: Would Confirmed Villager be able to fool SE Buddy? I thought it was specifically scans that it fooled- alignment matching might not count as a scan. No idea >> But yeah Fadran's our only lead on that and Fadran isn't particularly clear aside from it.
|TJ| he/him Posted February 8, 2023 Posted February 8, 2023 44 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Overall Conclusion - I do not like Confirmed Villager i said the same thing to kas xD but see, first order of business is to prolong parity for as long as possible and we know there are 2 non "confirmed villager" elims in that tie guy pile so we good. aman, your troll was success? no one else seems to be blocked. and if your troll converted sarts block to block immunity, then it would make sense how my roleblock was just an attempt.
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