Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him Posted February 18, 2022 Posted February 18, 2022 Wow, this slowed down a LOT after the other game started. well guess that just means I will be able to read through it much easier now.
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted February 18, 2022 Posted February 18, 2022 So it's 4-2-2-1 which is not ideal but let's see how it goes. Illwei is more likely to be lying about their role, but there's also no reason Tani's role has to be village. Ash is village. Orlok seems way too strongly opposed to me to be able to NK me, unless he did try to get me killed and it didn't work. Honestly not sure about Tani. I don't know if she's played in a game with an SK before. Asking if I know all the alignments could be an elim worry or a villager hoping for an easy win but even if I did know who the elims were I wouldn't out them since that isn't fun for anyone. Besides the role stuff I have been reading Illwei as more village, which could be lingering from D1 since I supported the Stick vote. It could be e/e since she turned around and questioned the other Stick voters but he didn't take the vote off so I'm not worrying about that right now. I'm going to vote for Tani and submit a kill on a randomly selected one of Dannnex, Szeth, and STINK. Anyone who would like me not to die is welcome to help.
Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him Posted February 18, 2022 Posted February 18, 2022 Stick aight ima hop on a train Tani.
Orlok Tsubodai Posted February 18, 2022 Posted February 18, 2022 26 minutes ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said: Wow, this slowed down a LOT after the other game started. well guess that just means I will be able to read through it much easier now. I suspect it has more to do with having a consensus lynch candidate, and therefore an absence of pressure to discuss further this cycle. I know on my part I should have done more to look back at Archer’s D1 interactions for potential eliminators, but have been feeling a bit burned out, and plan to deal with it on the other side of rollover. I think we ought to do further thinking about why the eliminators chose to hold off on making kills early in the game. Thinking this through, my initial reaction was that the eliminators were committed to not making a kill from the moment Archer claimed to be able to liaise with the dead - the absence of flips being strong supporting evidence for his claim. Kills flipping, but not lynches, would have immediately raised suspicions of a janitor - and why have a role that can communicate with cleared players? I’m not certain about this line of thought - it is possible that the eliminators intended to spin this as there being a problem with the lynch, instead. I think this is less likely - we observed no attempted kill, and so would need to find an explanation for the absence of the kill stronger than clouding information to confuse the village and protect Archer. I will acknowledge a possible world where the eliminators intended to obscure only the night kill, and have Archer appear as a villager able to communicate with the eliminator’s victims - if believed, how could his role be that of an eliminator? In this scenario, the explanation for the kill not being made would have to be that Matrim was an eliminator, and they chose to obscure his alignment instead of the alignment of their target. I was going to discount this as less likely, on the basis of Matrim’s role, and because they could have returned to the broken lynch explanation I offered above. Thinking through it as I typed, however, I think Matrim’s role is one very plausibly held by the eliminators, for two reasons. The first of these is that, in making Archer’s gambit, the eliminators had to know of village epics - and Matrim’s role is the only one we’ve seen flip that suggests the existence of Epic powers as part of the role. Beyond this, and importantly to further analysis, I think the nature of Archer’s role as able to conceal alignments or roles strongly implies other powerful, non-standard eliminator roles. With access to the powers of dead epics, the eliminators would have a plausible route to mask their actual actions. A further thought here is that forgoing the night kill to give the appearance of no information is a strategy vulnerable to village vig kill abilities - which, this being a blackout, the eliminators could not have discounted. I’ll grant that early on vigilante kills are unlikely, but in the medium term the ploy would have been revealed. I’m going to assume competence from the eliminators, and therefore assume that they considered this possibility, which means on turn we need to consider why they chose this route. I’m going to discount an arsonist here on balance grounds - I think that if the eliminator team can conceal the lynch, and through an arsonist not have to sacrifice kills over time to do so, then the game would not be fair. I think the nature of Archer’s role forces a choice on the eliminators about which information they conceal, and allowing it to conceal all information does not feel in line with the role. I’ve been throwing thoughts at this as they come, so forgive me for not making this neat. I’d welcome thoughts and challenges on my assumptions here, but I think in essence my conclusions are: 1) Archer’s role implies the eliminators may want to conceal the roles of other eliminators, implying they are non-standard 2) The eliminator’s strategy of not night killing to withhold information is vulnerable to vig-kills - we need to consider why it was chosen, with implications on their team make-up 3) An arsonist is highly unlikely 1
Orlok Tsubodai Posted February 18, 2022 Posted February 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said: Stick aight ima hop on a train Tani. Why on earth would you not want a serial killer dead, and in so doing undermine information we might get from a clearly non standard role?
Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him Posted February 18, 2022 Posted February 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Orlok Tsubodai said: Why on earth would you not want a serial killer dead, and in so doing undermine information we might get from a clearly non standard role? I dunno no one was on the stick train with me.
Orlok Tsubodai Posted February 18, 2022 Posted February 18, 2022 Just now, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said: I dunno no one was on the stick train with me. Why would you rather lynch Tani than Devo?
|TJ| he/him Posted February 18, 2022 Author Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) Cycle Five - HoodWinked! *insert write-up here* Tani was eliminated. She was the Reckoner Ally Epic - Robbin' Hood! Ashbringer was killed. He was the Reckoner Ally Epic - Santa Klaus! STINK was attacked, but survived! Vote Count: Tani (4): Illwei, The Unknown Aon, Devotary of Spontaneity, Thaidakar the Ghostblood Devotary of Spontaneity (3): Araris Valerian, Ashbringer, Tani, Orlok Tsubodai Illwei (2): _Stick_, JNV Quote You are Reckoner Ally Epic called Robbin’ Hood! You love to steal from the privileged. Giving to the poor? Err, not so much. You can copy the power of your target for a cycle and use them on another target (if the power permits). You do not get to know the power copied if it cannot be inferred. Quote You are Reckoner Ally Epic called Santa Klaus! You’re known for giving gifts! Choose a player to receive a random ability for the cycle. Abilities might include - Action Scan, Protect, Player Swap, Role-block, Redirect, Vote Manipulation, Anonymous Message, but not limited to these. You will not be told which action your target got, or if your gift is successful. You cannot target the same player in consecutive cycles. Cycle 5 has begun and will end on February 20, at 22:30 IST [GMT + 05:30]. Please try to bold your votes, and give retractions in green. Player List: Spoiler @Illwei Matrim's Dice - Orion Knighthawk Scientist Experience - Emfatic Reckoner Ally Epic - D-Coy Kasimir - Mordred Kasjek Reckoner Ally Epic - Cobb StrikerEZ - Nathaniel Walker Reckoner Ally Epic - Prestige @The Unknown Aon - Apocalypse @Araris Valerian - Spark O'toole Ashbringer Reckoner Ally Epic - Santa Klaus Tani - Ricochet Reckoner Ally Epic - Robbin' Hood Karnatheon - Pendulum @Devotary of Spontaneity - Sonia Biven Archer - Skmurph Corrupted Epic - Incinerator @STINK @_Stick_ @Szeth_Pancakes MintSilverTea - Zehpyr Regular Reckoner Ally @JNV - Eiro Amanuensis - Blink Regular Reckoner Ally @Thaidakar the Ghostblood - Endrik @Orlok Tsubodai - Locke @Dannnex - Joe Edited February 19, 2022 by Elandera 6
Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him Posted February 18, 2022 Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) DANG devo i was about to change my vote to devo but then TJ closed the topic. Edited February 18, 2022 by Thaidakar the Ghostblood
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted February 18, 2022 Posted February 18, 2022 Of course the die would pick someone who would survive a kill.
Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him Posted February 18, 2022 Posted February 18, 2022 8 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: Of course the die would pick someone who would survive a kill. ikr
Stick. she/her Posted February 18, 2022 Posted February 18, 2022 Sigh okay here we go again then Illwei
Orlok Tsubodai Posted February 18, 2022 Posted February 18, 2022 Right. I’m not sure if it’s even worth me making an effort now, but may as well try whilst I can. I think Devotary is likely true to her role. If the eliminators have two kills, this game is unwinnable, and so there’s no value in considering a line of logic following from this assumption. I’m taking for granted that Ashbringer was the elim kill. Devotary was known to have a soothing ability, and so could safely have been assumed survive a tied lynch. From this we can draw a few conclusions: 1) I think it’s strongly in the interests of the eliminators to keep us focused on a serial killer (see impact of consensus on Devotary last cycle). Assuming competence, this does not look good for Thaidakar. Considering Thaidakar, we need to note both their claimed kill last cycle, and that Archer chose them as their elim!scan target. We should also consider that they chose to play up their inexperience, and that they claim to have misunderstood their role. 2) The absence of a train on Devotary suggests that the eliminators did not feel under threat. I don’t know that we can draw much from this, but with Devotary’s vote movable and the soothe it was possible that Devotary could have created a 50/50 chance of Illwei’s death, rather than Tani’s. Assuming Devotary is a neutral, we can slightly lower our assessment of Illwei being evil - although with even one eliminator around at rollover who hasn’t cast their vote, Illwei can be guaranteed safety through an easily explainable vote on Devotary, so we shouldn’t materially adjust our assessment. Returning to my thoughts from the end of last cycle on the impact of Archer’s role, I think we again need to consider non-standard roles. Araris stands out most to me, here, both as a claimed non-Epic, but due to the nature of his role. If Araris is a villager, I think his role presents a serious problem to the eliminators - he is functionally unkillable without risking the kill being redirected onto one of their own. Reasoning from balance is dangerous, but giving a villager a role that can’t be killed without the lynch feels odd. Illwei didn’t target anyone last cycle, but the role she claims is another unverifiable one, in a mechanically different direction to every other role we’ve seen this game. Thaidakar… Thaidakar claims a kill last cycle, which is strong evidence against his being evil. However, the vote on Tani is odd, and claiming to misunderstand their role feels very convenient. I’d be surprised if TJ didn’t correct this misunderstanding, particularly given it came from a new player. Relevant to this is that Thaidakar’s response to Archer’s claimed scan was that the eliminators might be scared of his role, which is logic reliant on the assumption that the eliminators knew his role. I don’t know whether this is another mistake, or an elim-slip. Beyond that, we have Archer’s claim to have scanned them itself. This was an obviously implausible claim, given Archer had already claimed to be able to talk with the dead, so why choose Thaidakar to make the claim about? 1) Archer might have been bussing Thaidakar, hoping their flip would clear Archer in future rounds I think this can be largely ignored as a possibility - both due to the implausibility of the claim, and because for Thaidakar to flip eliminator would entail the eliminators ceasing to obscure lynches. As such, I think we must conclude that it was a claim made knowing Archer was going to be lynched. Making this assumption, we should consider Archer’s claim assuming v!Thaidakar and e!Thaidakar. Logic tbc, as running out of mental steam here, and praying for someone to engage in discussion. Going to vote on Araris for now. Suspect this game is already over, but would welcome engagement and activity from everyone. 2
Illwei Posted February 18, 2022 Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) Devotary Sorry guys, keep forgettting that rollover is early for me. TUA Thaidikar Stick JNV Szeth Stink Danex Orlok Araris I'm going to say we're looking for 3 + devotary TUA always flips after Devotary, and only if Devo flips as a sort of convert role. Still think Thaidikar has been too all over the place mostly to be an elim, but if something is wrong he's probably the first to get knocked down for his progression on Archer, and if he is an Elim then Stick is probably as well. I think my biggest problem with Araris off the top of my head is that they claimed to have a non-epic power at first, when the alignment in the role PM tells you if you're an Epic or not. Reckoner Ally Epic, Reckoner Ally. Araris also has very minimal solving posts in comparison to how many posts he has that are talking about SKs, For rifght now I think there's 1-2 in the bottom category and 1-2 in the second to bottom. I want to call Danex village but the reasons for being MIA might be out of game reasons and idk. Szeth also hasn't posted and neither has stink really. The second to bottom category is going to be the hardest to ssort through when they might just all be village. JNV and Stick I'm clearing fro bad reasons but don't have much to go off of. Stick hasn't been obv village to me this game, which is sad because I thought she was in the AG. that doesn't mean she's not village, but my reasons for clearing her are basically the dream she had about elephant gifs, which. Isn't a reason to clear her. Orlok is at the bottom because he isn't dead yet. My brain isn't working this game. Araris Edited February 18, 2022 by Illwei 1
Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him Posted February 18, 2022 Posted February 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said: Right. I’m not sure if it’s even worth me making an effort now, but may as well try whilst I can. I think Devotary is likely true to her role. If the eliminators have two kills, this game is unwinnable, and so there’s no value in considering a line of logic following from this assumption. I’m taking for granted that Ashbringer was the elim kill. Devotary was known to have a soothing ability, and so could safely have been assumed survive a tied lynch. From this we can draw a few conclusions: 1) I think it’s strongly in the interests of the eliminators to keep us focused on a serial killer (see impact of consensus on Devotary last cycle). Assuming competence, this does not look good for Thaidakar. Considering Thaidakar, we need to note both their claimed kill last cycle, and that Archer chose them as their elim!scan target. We should also consider that they chose to play up their inexperience, and that they claim to have misunderstood their role. 2) The absence of a train on Devotary suggests that the eliminators did not feel under threat. I don’t know that we can draw much from this, but with Devotary’s vote movable and the soothe it was possible that Devotary could have created a 50/50 chance of Illwei’s death, rather than Tani’s. Assuming Devotary is a neutral, we can slightly lower our assessment of Illwei being evil - although with even one eliminator around at rollover who hasn’t cast their vote, Illwei can be guaranteed safety through an easily explainable vote on Devotary, so we shouldn’t materially adjust our assessment. Returning to my thoughts from the end of last cycle on the impact of Archer’s role, I think we again need to consider non-standard roles. Araris stands out most to me, here, both as a claimed non-Epic, but due to the nature of his role. If Araris is a villager, I think his role presents a serious problem to the eliminators - he is functionally unkillable without risking the kill being redirected onto one of their own. Reasoning from balance is dangerous, but giving a villager a role that can’t be killed without the lynch feels odd. Illwei didn’t target anyone last cycle, but the role she claims is another unverifiable one, in a mechanically different direction to every other role we’ve seen this game. Thaidakar… Thaidakar claims a kill last cycle, which is strong evidence against his being evil. However, the vote on Tani is odd, and claiming to misunderstand their role feels very convenient. I’d be surprised if TJ didn’t correct this misunderstanding, particularly given it came from a new player. Relevant to this is that Thaidakar’s response to Archer’s claimed scan was that the eliminators might be scared of his role, which is logic reliant on the assumption that the eliminators knew his role. I don’t know whether this is another mistake, or an elim-slip. Beyond that, we have Archer’s claim to have scanned them itself. This was an obviously implausible claim, given Archer had already claimed to be able to talk with the dead, so why choose Thaidakar to make the claim about? 1) Archer might have been bussing Thaidakar, hoping their flip would clear Archer in future rounds I think this can be largely ignored as a possibility - both due to the implausibility of the claim, and because for Thaidakar to flip eliminator would entail the eliminators ceasing to obscure lynches. As such, I think we must conclude that it was a claim made knowing Archer was going to be lynched. Making this assumption, we should consider Archer’s claim assuming v!Thaidakar and e!Thaidakar. Logic tbc, as running out of mental steam here, and praying for someone to engage in discussion. Going to vote on Araris for now. Suspect this game is already over, but would welcome engagement and activity from everyone. 2 minutes ago, Illwei said: Devotary Sorry guys, keep forgettting that rollover is early for me. TUA Thaidikar Stick JNV Szeth Stink Danex Orlok Araris I'm going to say we're looking for 3 + devotary TUA always flips after Devotary, and only if Devo flips as a sort of convert role. Still think Thaidikar has been too all over the place mostly to be an elim, but if something is wrong he's probably the first to get knocked down for his progression on Archer, and if he is an Elim then Stick is probably as well. I think my biggest problem with Araris off the top of my head is that they claimed to have a non-epic power at first, when the alignment in the role PM tells you if you're an Epic or not. Reckoner Ally Epic, Reckoner Ally. Araris also has very minimal solving posts in comparison to how many posts he has that are talking about SKs, For rifght now I think there's 1-2 in the bottom category and 1-2 in the second to bottom. I want to call Danex village but the reasons for being MIA might be out of game reasons and idk. Szeth also hasn't posted and neither has stink really. The second to bottom category is going to be the hardest to ssort through when they might just all be village. JNV and Stick I'm clearing fro bad reasons but don't have much to go off of. Stick hasn't been obv village to me this game, which is sad because I thought she was in the AG. that doesn't mean she's not village, but my reasons for clearing her are basically the dream she had about elephant gifs, which. Isn't a reason to clear her. Orlok is at the bottom because he isn't dead yet. My brain isn't working this game. Araris[\color] My brain hurts from reading these posts. I see suspicions about me but my brain hurts too much to do anything about it. also Illwei you just voted twice.
Illwei Posted February 18, 2022 Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, _Stick_ said: Sigh okay here we go again then Illwei Would you recap your case for me ? 11 minutes ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said: My brain hurts from reading these posts. I see suspicions about me but my brain hurts too much to do anything about it. also Illwei you just voted twice. lmfao i didn't mean to vote devo in that post lol @Thaidakar the Ghostblood what makes your brain hurt about those posts? Do you have any thought on things besides random votes on Stick and Devo? Edited February 18, 2022 by Illwei
Orlok Tsubodai Posted February 18, 2022 Posted February 18, 2022 15 minutes ago, Illwei said: TUA Thaidikar Stick JNV Szeth Stink Danex Orlok Araris Orlok is at the bottom because he isn't dead yet I can recall falling prey to this logic myself a long time ago, and so am doing my best not to let my frustration turn into undue incivility, but this is ridiculous. 1) Even assuming I should be threat killed, I spent two cycles behind on the game barely contributing, and only became active mid-C3. 2) Last cycle, I was focusing hard on an SK with a kill. Very plausible that Devotary would kill me instead (and indeed was what I was expecting). 3) I can’t and wouldn’t claim sole credit for catching Archer, but did repeatedly call them out for inconsistencies on what they claimed Matrim said, and pushed hard for their lynch. 4) This is my second game back after a hiatus, and I died early in the AG. Very plausible that the eliminators decided not to kill me early before I could engage. Beyond that, I just want to note for the record that it is deeply unpleasant to be on the receiving end of this logic. I’d draw parallels with Wilson’s frustration during AG3, before she knew I’d caught her from a wording slip up (although in this case I’m not evil). It’s not logic that allows refutation - it’s a statement that you believe I must be evil any time I survive beyond the early cycles of a game. Will you call for me to be lynched in cycle five of the next game I play that we survive? Why should I bother playing if I’m to be lynched on who I am, rather than what I say and do? 4
Illwei Posted February 18, 2022 Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) @Orlok Tsubodai , it has nothing to do with rep. It has to do with being village read and active. I would have similar suspicions on TUA if he was not a mostly-inactive. If someone besides you or Ash died yesterday I'd be doing the same thing for Ash. We're on cycle 5 and the elim kills have been kind of ?? especially when they weren't happening, So I have to think about why is everyone who is alive alive. Would you like to respond to anything in my post that doesn't involve you, instead of just the part that does and getting upset at it? And then again, why didn't we have NKs for the first two days? was it because all of the Elims were using abilities? Using abilities or Inactive? I have a hard time seeing why Archer would conceal flips instead of killing if there wasn't someone else to do the killing or to talk it through with. The Idea I suppose is based on not giving information, so why would you NK when you're already trying to limit information from the vote? Is it worth looking into all the people who fed the theory of it being a conversion game ? Edited February 18, 2022 by Illwei 1
Stick. she/her Posted February 18, 2022 Posted February 18, 2022 46 minutes ago, Illwei said: Would you recap your case for me ? Well the main thing on my mind is your defence for Archer, and also the fact that Ash got killed leads me to believe he was on to something, assuming that was indeed the elim kill. You were also quick to believe Archer’s claim D1 which is sets of alarms in hindsight. And this has been brought up by others but I also like I don’t entirely understand why you had to lie about your role I mean it’s not like v!illwei would’ve been making herself an NK target by claiming her real role (if what you claim now is indeed true). And also now that I think about it, if your role really could prove/disprove Archer’s claim, I wonder why you didn't just roleclaim to the thread while Archer was still alive if your roleclaim is true, instead of bringing it up later when he had died and you needed to justify your reaction towards his train Okay and I also need to look at Orlok's posts sometime I think, I cannot keep putting it off >>
Orlok Tsubodai Posted February 18, 2022 Posted February 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, Illwei said: @Orlok Tsubodai , it has nothing to do with rep. It has to do with being village read and active. I would have similar suspicions on TUA if he was not a mostly-inactive. If someone besides you or Ash died yesterday I'd be doing the same thing for Ash. We're on cycle 5 and the elim kills have been kind of ?? especially when they weren't happening, So I have to think about why is everyone who is alive alive. Would you like to respond to anything in my post that doesn't involve you, instead of just the part that does and getting upset at it? So, to be clear, you’d have accused Ash of being evil had I been killed and Ash had lived, using the same logic. Yet Ash died and flipped village. Does this not say something about the quality of the logic as a tool for determining alignment? I apologise for letting my frustration show through so clearly, but think the point needed to be made. With regards to the rest of your post, I addressed Araris above, and the absence of early night kills at length, just before rollover - I shall quote that now. Quote I suspect it has more to do with having a consensus lynch candidate, and therefore an absence of pressure to discuss further this cycle. I know on my part I should have done more to look back at Archer’s D1 interactions for potential eliminators, but have been feeling a bit burned out, and plan to deal with it on the other side of rollover. I think we ought to do further thinking about why the eliminators chose to hold off on making kills early in the game. Thinking this through, my initial reaction was that the eliminators were committed to not making a kill from the moment Archer claimed to be able to liaise with the dead - the absence of flips being strong supporting evidence for his claim. Kills flipping, but not lynches, would have immediately raised suspicions of a janitor - and why have a role that can communicate with cleared players? I’m not certain about this line of thought - it is possible that the eliminators intended to spin this as there being a problem with the lynch, instead. I think this is less likely - we observed no attempted kill, and so would need to find an explanation for the absence of the kill stronger than clouding information to confuse the village and protect Archer. I will acknowledge a possible world where the eliminators intended to obscure only the night kill, and have Archer appear as a villager able to communicate with the eliminator’s victims - if believed, how could his role be that of an eliminator? In this scenario, the explanation for the kill not being made would have to be that Matrim was an eliminator, and they chose to obscure his alignment instead of the alignment of their target. I was going to discount this as less likely, on the basis of Matrim’s role, and because they could have returned to the broken lynch explanation I offered above. Thinking through it as I typed, however, I think Matrim’s role is one very plausibly held by the eliminators, for two reasons. The first of these is that, in making Archer’s gambit, the eliminators had to know of village epics - and Matrim’s role is the only one we’ve seen flip that suggests the existence of Epic powers as part of the role. Beyond this, and importantly to further analysis, I think the nature of Archer’s role as able to conceal alignments or roles strongly implies other powerful, non-standard eliminator roles. With access to the powers of dead epics, the eliminators would have a plausible route to mask their actual actions. A further thought here is that forgoing the night kill to give the appearance of no information is a strategy vulnerable to village vig kill abilities - which, this being a blackout, the eliminators could not have discounted. I’ll grant that early on vigilante kills are unlikely, but in the medium term the ploy would have been revealed. I’m going to assume competence from the eliminators, and therefore assume that they considered this possibility, which means on turn we need to consider why they chose this route. I’m going to discount an arsonist here on balance grounds - I think that if the eliminator team can conceal the lynch, and through an arsonist not have to sacrifice kills over time to do so, then the game would not be fair. I think the nature of Archer’s role forces a choice on the eliminators about which information they conceal, and allowing it to conceal all information does not feel in line with the role. I’ve been throwing thoughts at this as they come, so forgive me for not making this neat. I’d welcome thoughts and challenges on my assumptions here, but I think in essence my conclusions are: 1) Archer’s role implies the eliminators may want to conceal the roles of other eliminators, implying they are non-standard 2) The eliminator’s strategy of not night killing to withhold information is vulnerable to vig-kills - we need to consider why it was chosen, with implications on their team make-up 3) An arsonist is highly unlikely 1
Illwei Posted February 18, 2022 Posted February 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said: So, to be clear, you’d have accused Ash of being evil had I been killed and Ash had lived, using the same logic. Yet Ash died and flipped village. Does this not say something about the quality of the logic as a tool for determining alignment? That's faulty logic and you know it. No need to be condescending. You outwardly complain about being fearkilled all the time and why should you play, I will outwardly complain about not being taken seriously in anything I do and treated as less than just because you don't like my playstyle. Part of me was wondering if Stick killing two people in one cycle was linked to the Elims not having two kills in the beginning of the cycle.
Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him Posted February 18, 2022 Posted February 18, 2022 Since when were Illwei and orlok start warring against eachother.
Illwei Posted February 18, 2022 Posted February 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said: Since when were Illwei and orlok start warring against eachother. Do you have anything to say in terms of alignments of me/orlok then
Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him Posted February 18, 2022 Posted February 18, 2022 Just now, Illwei said: Do you have anything to say in terms of alignments of me/orlok then Um... I think you are both C (crazy)
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