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  1. Elenion
    *is the only one who has voted for Aman*
  2. Elenion
    I don't know if you're playing mind games inside of mind games inside of mind games or what, but I'm not the Odiv. Either you're lying about your scan or you never scanned me, because I'm not only not the Odiv, it's not even possible for me to be the Odiv. I had the Derethi Pendant for one Day turn. I couldn't have been converted when it was passed, or when I passed it. Maybe there's some sort of secret role out there that can change what you scan as, because I'm positive you're village but I don't know why you would lie like that. I shouldn't have even shown up as a Derethi Convert, let alone as the Odiv.
  3. Elenion
    What incentive would Steel have to lie about being evil? It would just ensure he was lynched, and there are no Jesters in this game unless it's a secret role. And why do you assume Steel is the Gyorn? There's one possibility that you don't bring up: it's possible that Steel actually did pass me the Pendant, so my accusation of him would be a lucky coincidence. If Steel is the Odiv and not the Gyorn, he could have started with a Seon and a Derethi Pendant and then been converted later on after passing the Pendant to me. I'm not saying that this is what happened--I don't know--but the fact that you leave this possibility out, and that you assume that Steel is the Gyorn, makes me suspicious of you.
  4. Elenion
    Wait, did you get the Heritage Scholarship too? That's what Ecth and I got!
  5. Elenion
    I don't have an explicitly-diagnosed mental disorder or neurodivergence, but when I was younger I showed some of the symptoms. When I learned to talk, I had a speech impediment so severe that I was barely intelligible to my parents and completely unintelligible to anyone else. It took me a year of speech therapy to correct, but luckily we caught it early enough so it's not noticeable in my voice. I also had the tendency to, when I was excited, begin to jump up and down and flap my arms. You may have seen the behavior that I'm referring to. I would not realize I was doing it until someone pointed it out to me. This too went away with age and practice. I have moved since then, and so people have no idea that I once exhibited these tendencies unless I tell them. When I'm watching my feet, I try my best to take an even number of steps on each sidewalk slab, unless I purposefully take an odd number and even it out with an odd number on the next one. I think the line between mental disorder and strange habit is that habits, like mine, can be turned off.
  6. Elenion
    He tried everything--hiding it in the attic, throwing it away, filling the bottles with water--but it was no use.
  7. Elenion
    I had a brain wave this morning: what if the Gyorn isn't in the last 4 players? They're all less-active, and with the possible exception of Straw they haven't really shown any signs of being evil. The Gyorn has had this entire game to plan a cover-up for their role, so I really doubt they'd allow themselves to be caught in a net like the one we've put up. I was looking at Seonid's vote on Steel, wondering if Steel had a chance of being guilty even though he's not on the list, and then I realized: None of us actually have any proof that Steel passed me the Pendant. Everything he's told us, about what he did, when he did it, and why he did it, was stuff that I'd already claimed or speculated about in-thread. For all we know, the person who passed the Pendant to me is dead. Let's consider a hypothetical scenario where Steel is a Gyorn who started with a Seon only. The net is tightening, and Steel wants to get out before it gets too small. He knows that if he claims Seon only, we'll think he has a role, and as Gyorn he can't prove himself to be a different role (he could have his Odiv help him, but that might implicate the Odiv and not all roles work for false-claims). He then has a thought: if he can claim to have started with another item, that would support a vanilla claim, which would explain why he can't prove a role. He then looks for an item that he can claim to have started with that we can't test, and finds the perfect one: the Pendant that was passed to me. Assuming the real passer can't/doesn't counterclaim, it's the perfect cover: he knows the exact action to claim, time to claim to have it, and even possible reasons for doing it, all from information I've shared in the thread. This scenario fits perfectly with what we've seen: nobody claims to have passed me the Pendant until the net gets tight, and suddenly Steel steps forward to claim just in time to get himself off the Gyorn list before we start lynching people on it. Sorry, Steel if you really did pass me the Pendant, but the timing and unprovability of your claim doesn't seem to be just coincidence.
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    I second Devotary: the Jeskeri might have the same short-term goal as us, to stop the Derethi from converting everyone, but at the end of the day they're still trying to kill us all too. I can see three possible reasons why the Jeskeri might not have put in a kill: 1. Inactivity/miscommunication. Not too common among elim teams because of the doc, but it still can happen 2. They didn't want to give us any information about who they wanted dead. I find this one doubtful, because at this point we aren't really interested in them much. 3. They didn't want to hit a non-Convert, kill an active villager, or otherwise help the Derethi. This one is plausible. I doubt it. I can only remember two times when an elim even planned on killing an elim: MR28 (me when I was a traitor who could defect to the village) and LG26 (Joe committed suicide because he believed his faction could not win). Edit: @King Cole The forum says you're on but you haven't posted in a few cycles. Have you been converted to the Derethi?
  9. Elenion
    "Whoa dude, that's one toxic fanbase that you're the webmaster for." "Actually, that's the code improvement committee doing their job..."
  10. Elenion
    I must've forgotten that. According to Devotary's analysis, an Elantrian Odiv could have done what we've seen conversion-wise, bar Elantrians targeting outside Elantris or the Odiv self-converting, so I'm thinking it's likely that CadCom was the N1 Gyorn convert and is not the Odiv.
  11. Elenion
    Wait, there's an Elantrian convert? When did this happen? I don't see how it would hurt us, because it wouldn't help the Jeskeri at all and the Derethi probably want us to be starved of convert info.
  12. Elenion
    I helped Straw with some of the game balancing for an early version of this game, so I'm going to take a spec doc link.
  13. Elenion
    First off, thank you @Devotary of Spontaneity for doing analysis. I think it's very interesting that, assuming Pendant 3 stayed still, it narrows the Odiv down to the same group of people as the Gyorn. I'm not sure quite what to think about that. On the one hand, it could mean that both the Gyorn and Odiv are in that group, and so we can search for Derethi that much easier. On the other hand, it makes me wonder if the third Pendant actually did move, and we just haven't heard about it because it started with an Elantrian, or an inactive, or just someone who doesn't feel like claiming. Either way, I want to put tomorrow's lynch somewhere in that group (plus maybe Mraize because I don't like blindly trusting Lopen). We can be fairly sure the Gyorn is in there, and there's a decent chance of the Odiv being in there as well.
  14. Elenion
    We've talked about the Gyorn a lot, so what about the Odiv? I have a theory, and it involves tracking the Converts at the start of the game: D1 there were 3 converts: --Steeldancer, who N1 would pass the Pendant to me --The player who Pendanted Araris --Unclaimed player D2 there were 4 converts: --Me, getting the Pendant from Steel and N2 passing it to Wilson --Araris --A new convert from N1 --That same unclaimed player During the Drake lynch, a Pendant was used that had no effect on the bandwagon. I've already explained my reasoning as to why this use has to have been by the Derethi, but basically it's because only they would have benefited. We can account for the Araris Pendant: it left the game after being used on him. We can account for the Steel/Len/Wilson Pendant: Wilson says it's still with her, and it would be very unwise for an Odiv to lie about something verifiable like that. This leaves the Drake lynch Pendant unaccounted for. The Drake lynch Pendant had to have started in the game, so D1 it has to have been in the hands of the unclaimed player. This player has not claimed even though they have no reason not to if they're village, so I think they held onto the Pendant before using it during the Drake lynch. If we can find the third player who started out as a convert, who used their Pendant during the Drake lynch, that's our Odiv.
  15. Elenion
    I haven't read that game, so what did Kas do?
  16. Elenion
    I hadn't been picking up that vibe from Straw, but I just barely wasn't yet around when QF15 was played so I don't have that comparison. (My first game was MR15.) If Coop is doubtful, we're basically left with a bunch of lurkers/less-actives plus Walin. Not a good field to be scrutinizing with the clock ticking.
  17. Elenion
    XD. Well, at least it still verifies that I attempted to move his vote.
  18. Elenion
    What did you try to do with it? I tried to put him on DK.
  19. Elenion
    I'm fairly sure the vote count is still off, because I Princed STINK onto the bandwagon as well. I'll shoot the GMs a PM and hopefully that gets resolved to clear me. At least it didn't change anything major. @Devotary of Spontaneity (about my Joe suspicion last cycle) Good point. It's not impossible, but it does move the probability down a few notches. I very much disagree with this. If they win we don't, just like if the Jeskeri win. There are probably only 2 Cultists left, and 18 players alive, so the Derethi are much more threatening than the Jeskeri are at the moment. Unless we have a confirmed Jeskeri tossed into our laps again, I suggest we focus almost entirely on the Derethi from now on.
  20. Elenion

    Steel and Iron

    Elenion replied to Eldergod3's topic in Mistborn

    I don't think it would be from your self-perceived center of mass, because that means a Coinshot pushing off of an object could accidentally knock themself on their back if they visualized their center of mass as in their chest instead of their abdomen. I think your second theory is correct: the default is your center of mass, but with practice you can change that.
  21. Elenion
    Haha that's great Lynch discussion is pretty much dead, so I'm going to try to restart discussion on the Derethi. Here's Lopen's suspicions list: Steeldancer - Items: Seon, Shu-Dereth Pendant. Role: Citizen Elenion - Items: Seon. Role: Prince Pyro - Items: Seon, Poison. Role: Citizen Walin - Items: Seon? Role : Unknown Joe/Coop - Items: Korathi Pendant. Role: Unknown Straw - Unknown King Cole - Unknown Stink/Imperial Mint - Unknown I'm going to remove myself from the list, for obvious reasons. We've had no counterclaims for passing me the Pendant or poisoning Aman, and Seons are easily verifiable, so I'm also going to take Steel and Pyro off of the list. That leaves us with Walin, Joe, Straw, Cole, and Imperial Mint. Of those eight seven (because me), the one that jumps out to me is Joe/Coop. There were two village Priests in the game to start. This could be balanced out for the Jeskeri by Jeskeri Pendants and maybe an extra Cultist, but it would be a lot harder to balance the Gyorn against that. The Derethi Pendant doesn't cause you to scan as Derethi alignment--you scan as a convert of your real alignment--so the Gyorn would be revealed by the Priest scan and they would not have any plausible explanation for how they could actually be village. They also don't have an extra life to keep them alive longer or a kill to take a Priest out. This makes me assume that the Gyorn had to have started with a Korathi Pendant (or less likely a Jeskeri Pendant) to give them a way to survive into the late-game against the Priests. Thoughts? Edit: I found the Gyorn!
  22. Elenion
    Now that I think about it, there must have been only one or two Pendants moving around, so that's reasonable. Darn, my tinfoil-ator was going into overdrive there.
  23. Elenion
    I wasn't aware that I'd told anyone that it was you whom I passed it to.
  24. Elenion
    Denth
  25. Elenion
    @TheMightyLopen Do you want me to move someone's vote today to further verify myself? I've already claimed, so I don't think it would do any hurt. I've used my Seon today, so my own vote will be canceled as well unless someone Princes me back onto the bandwagon. @Steeldancer I should have known you'd have the sense of humor to pull something like that on me right after I told everyone I'd notify them if I was converted. But why didn't you claim earlier? @Seonid I haven't been converted (other than the brief window with the Pendant), which kinda surprises me. Maybe they plan on me dying.
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