Quintessential she/her Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 17 minutes ago, Illwei said: What do you lose by telling us if you were brigged. Can the ...brigger? Not brig the same person two nights in a row? ...hmmm good point, actually. Yes, I was Brigged last cycle. Now that I think about it, that probably doesn't give the elims much info that they didn't have before... I mean, unless it wasn't because of IA that there was no elim kill C1. And since the Lab is sabotaged, they can't find the IA by scanning me even if they have a Biologist.
Illwei Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Quintessential said: ...hmmm good point, actually. Yes, I was Brigged last cycle. Now that I think about it, that probably doesn't give the elims much info that they didn't have before... I mean, unless it wasn't because of IA that there was no elim kill C1. And since the Lab is sabotaged, they can't find the IA by scanning me even if they have a Biologist. I gotta be honest, still haven't read the rules, still haven't done anything, still don't know what this means :P. Can't really effectively analyze things like the sabotages without understanding what it impacts but I'm still not really- I- sigh Edited May 11, 2021 by Illwei
Mat he/him Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 Read through the first cycles- first- 2 hours ago, Azmine_king said: Uh, TJ seems to have a lot to say without actually saying anything useful. I agree with this, but you pretty much could say this about everyone. Except Illwei, mainly. Illwei seems to be trying :P. I'm reading Illwei as village. @|TJ| Quote Don't really have strong reads on any other than Quinn, Jon and slightly on Szeth. Elim side of things - everything about Mat looks super off to me. Archer was a very proactive elim in the Marson and not convinced talking less is an alignment indicative. Mat, particularly the defence of Illwei. Feels like my teammate Mat from QF51 :P. I don't even know what I did in QF51 so you're gonna have to do better than that. Why is the defense suspicious? And why is that sentence about Archer in the middle of that paragraph? I could say the same about you, that you feel the same as QF51 :P.
Illwei Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: I'm reading Illwei as village. SUs
Mat he/him Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Illwei said: SUs About standard, actually :P.
Illwei Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: About standard, actually :P. Not really, if you think about it :P.
Gears Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 The Agent of the Ones Above has been dismissed. Patji is safe from that threat, at least. But alas, we have no information. To aid in the search, I shall examine what has been said, partitioned by person. Illwei: Spoiler The first day Spoiler Quote I haven't fully read the rules, but my first thought I'm gonna put out there for now, is that I don't think the Doctors are that important, and I think giving up your voice and vote for a cycle to revive someone isn't a good trade. I also think that going to the hospital at all isn't a very good trade for talking to the dead people either. A reasonable opinion. Quote On 5/6/2021 at 0:18 PM, Azmine_king said: Second game! Illwei Whoa whoa whoa Azmine Meaningless Quote On 5/6/2021 at 1:00 PM, Experience said: No point in voting rn cause its all going to change so i just wont interesting position to take, because initial voting is half of what we use to make later votes on. Also I notice everyone saying they're going to go read the rules and then not coming back. Anyone wanna talk about anything they found from that? :P. Az did start off with a comfortable vote, and Tani and Szeth both voted...themselves, which doesn't quite accomplish much :P. Meaningless Quote On 5/6/2021 at 1:19 PM, |TJ| said: I don't completely agree with this tbh. On 5/6/2021 at 1:21 PM, Matrim's Dice said: I'm leaning on disagreeing that Doctors aren't that helpful. @Devotary of Spontaneity too: My thought is that, yes, they revive someone who might almost be confirmed good, but that just puts a target on both them and you. You go to the hospital and you might get NKd, is why thought. that basically gives you a) a cycle with one less vote, with less discussion, b.) a 1-1 trade for a doctor-almost confirmed good, and then that person most likely dies again. sure, this can be maybe avoided by multiple people going, but that, again, means that we lose votes and discussion. An explanation of a reasonable opinion. Quote I think it doesn't matter to me personally. If the Elims have an engineer and they lose, then good for the Agent I guess. If I was an Elim I wouldn't very much care if I was declared the winner or not, because technically I would have won. Same way I feel about village. If we catch all the Elims I'll feel the same if it's declared an Agent win or a Village win. Yet another reasonable opinion. Quote On 5/6/2021 at 3:47 PM, Archer said: That's an absolutely TJ thing to say. Until you mentioned it, I hadn't realized you'd dropped Shade from you name. My brain played the same trick with Quinn's name change, I totally forgot she had numbers originally. If Mat ever dropped the Dice part of his name, I swear it wouldn't even register. Life is wild you never even noticed my name change smh Banter Quote Tani no Test not the captain. Quote Killing the GM is soooooooo last month, smh Banter Quote I'm going to throw a vote on Experience Right now. Noted: - Don't like TUO's "this will probably come off later", because that gives him reason to remove if XP gets more pressure, and it also defeats the purpose in a way of voting someone to pressure them at all. - I think tani's question is mostly meaningless- answer wise. The Elims have to kill all the villagers to live. So even if all the villagers know who the elims are, the elims then I guess either have to work out and kill the agent first, or work out other things. Idk. So villagers don't really chose a side there - I think the distro is 11-4-1, and 10-5-1 feels too little (EDIT: TOO MANY. TOO MANY ELIMS. NOT TOO LITTLE ELIMS.). The Elims have functionally won once they outnumber everyone else- the only thing left for them to do is to find the agent and kill them first before the rest of the village. So that's still 4 cycles to get down to 3-1-4 in a perfect Elim game. - I think the arguments about the Neutral being a threat have no weight, as their kill would only be used in endgame, where maybe it's two villagers and them, or them and a villager vs. the elims, or Villagers with one Elim left. killing off earlier than that doesn't really help them as much Imo, and if we are winning then they don't have any incentive to kill off a trusted/important town role. - If there's only one engineer in this game, I'd assume it would be an Elim. - Again, I don't really have a problem with the Agent winning instead of the village. I'm not gonna actively try and help them ofc (if there even is a way to do that), but I'm not going to try and delay the game if we think they have all 5 parts upgraded or whatnot. - Szeth and Tani both voted on themselves - Tani and TUO voted on Striker. - Immediately more suspicious of all three because TUO didn't even stay on Exp like he said he wanted to Tani and Szeth haven't made a significant vote (only on them, or on the GM) Apparently, this is the statement that is causing a ruckus. I believe their statement feeds into a connection between Order and Zara. I do note that the rest of the statement seems not to relate to the vote, but that means nothing. Quote On 5/6/2021 at 8:41 PM, Devotary of Spontaneity said: Edit: I see that you don't actually care about winning the game so long as you wipe out the other faction, but other people may feel differently. Again, Tani asked opinions, So I shared :P. It's the same feeling like how I don't really count wins if I died early and was village. Sure it's a team game but it's not my win. The effort and satisfaction that goes into winning the game will feel the same to me whether It's specifically declared a village win or not, if we caught all the elims. Reasonable. Quote On 5/6/2021 at 9:05 PM, Illwei said: Again, Tani asked opinions, So I shared :P. It's the same feeling like how I don't really count wins if I died early and was village. Sure it's a team game but it's not my win. The effort and satisfaction that goes into winning the game will feel the same to me whether It's specifically declared a village win or not, if we caught all the elims. I want to clarify that my thought process on this should only be applied from me for this game, with this neutral. EDIT: On 5/6/2021 at 9:38 PM, Jondesu said: Why would you expect only one Engineer though? I thought earlier we were seeing suggestions of 2-4 of each role essentially. I don't think this is a role madness :P. and perhaps 2 engineers, but I don't expect too many Reasonable. Expecting everyone to have a job is like expecting bureaucracy to function properly. We evidently have at least 2, and hopefully more or the ship will fall apart around us. Quote On 5/6/2021 at 9:55 PM, Archer said: That's a very vanillager thing of you to say Is it? :P. Banter. Quote On 5/7/2021 at 2:04 PM, Jondesu said: Slip of the fingers? Or admission? Sart Gears Man, its been a while since Gears claimed Elim last. I mean, this was his intended outcome. Not the votes, but to be able to potentially slip up and people not know either way. Sigh. My thanks for this offering. Quote Eek. Sorry. I meant to get on last night but I fell asleep. On 5/7/2021 at 3:40 AM, |TJ| said: So in this case you're assuming the elims have one of their own in the hospital? Then, we'd have narrowed down the list of possible elims to the ones in the hospital. And I think forcing elims to kill the same person again is a good thing, it's like they'd have a double life which would only prolong their path to a win. Again. They don't need someone in the hospital to kill a visitor. [A good point.] On 5/7/2021 at 3:40 AM, |TJ| said: And this is what ticks me off everyone single time - being overly information reveal-y about self actions and seeming helpful just like in LG73. Also sorta like Books in the last LG. The Unknown Order See, I'd agree here, but this is what pinged me in...what game? the last game that we killed TUO in Day 1. [Their words were wise.] On 5/7/2021 at 5:45 PM, Szeth_Pancakes said: They voted for Exp., so they are suspicious now. ? wh- ?? [In all fairness, Szeth's statement made no sense to me either.] On 5/7/2021 at 5:51 PM, Archer said: Seriously, I assumed I'd said something and forgotten it. You seem cool, I won't vote for you Honestly reading this Elim. Both the "I assumed I said that" and "you seem cool" [Considering that Dawn does not speak much, they should know their statements far better than most.] @Azmine_king get your RVS vote off me nerd honestly not ever wanting to play this card because it's just not nice, but I'd keep an eye on the people who are usually against killing people D1 who die early. I just died D1 and then N2 in the last games, so I should make that list, but even the people like Quinn seem perfectly fine killing me. Not even a "I know they didn't get to play the last two games, but they're very suspicious", just a "eh why not kill an Illwei again" [Reasonable.] I had something to say about TUO but I don't remember it, so someone post please if you can before my next post EDIT: aw no one posted. I doubt people will be on anyways. On 5/7/2021 at 4:33 PM, Quintessential said: Illwei, how come you voted Experience without reasoning and then dedicated the rest of that same post to explaining why you thought Tani, TUO, and Szeth were sus? (Exp themself pointed this out already and you never explained) Oh there's this I already explained my thoughts on XP before, and it wasn't a post dedicated to why those three were suspicious, just the things I thought stood out to me in the cycle so far. [Reasonable] On 5/7/2021 at 5:04 PM, Experience said: Not sure how it's odd to choose to hold off on voting at start of d1 but ok... It's not extremely helpful, but after thinking, it's "your meta". Meaning I remember you telling me that you don't vote D1 when we were Elims together, but I don't remember whether that held for the other games we played. [I do not recall this, but it is semi-valid reasoning.] On 5/7/2021 at 6:00 PM, Sart said: In that regard, one person clearly stood out. Illwei had ducked Tevris's question like a scared Aviar. how? [I concur.] Everyone's responses: Hide contents On 5/6/2021 at 2:00 PM, Quintessential said: I'd choose the elims; more people would win that way xD basically the Trolley Problem but with less dire consequences On 5/6/2021 at 2:11 PM, The Unknown Order said: I would choose the Agent simply because neutral wins are pretty rare in Mafia games. I will be going to the Aviar holding center this turn. If anyone else is going there you should probably declare in-thread to prevent more than three people visiting there. On 5/6/2021 at 6:07 PM, Szeth_Pancakes said: Probably agent. At least they’re not attacking us On 5/6/2021 at 6:08 PM, Matrim's Dice said: ^That, though I’d agree with Illwei on the principle On 5/6/2021 at 6:27 PM, Archer said: I'm Team Neutral all the way. You seem very intent on getting an answer to your random question, Tani. Are you hoping to catch an elim who admits they'd theoretically prefer their own team wins in such a scenario? I have another question: where is this ship going? On 5/6/2021 at 6:39 PM, Azmine_king said: Agent, I have a soft spot for neutrals I'm suspicious because I didn't answer one or the other? I think the answer truly doesn't matter to me, as it's a village loss either way. And if I were to make reads off of these answers I'd honestly probably mark Quinn village for being the only one to say the Elims. On 5/7/2021 at 10:15 AM, The Unknown Order said: I am getting sussed for essentially doing what Mat did, saying I'm sus of Exp for gut mostly, I only voted. Everyone thinks it's odd I switched off of Exp and onto Striker, but that was a joke, I had always intended to switch back or to someone else. I just haven't posted since then. People are also sus of the 'this will come off later.' I fully expected a 'this is how Exp normally plays' or the response that Exp had to Mat. I wouldn't be sharing if not sharing didn't possibly mean wasting an action. Why would not sharing be wasting an action? [Concurrence.] On 5/7/2021 at 10:43 AM, Szeth_Pancakes said: I’m back! First off - I was only voting myself to stall for a bit. I knew that if I waited a few hours, I was bound to get an elim read on somebody. And I did! That person is Archer! Why? Well, he was suspicious of me and Tani for being indecisive, and then didn’t vote! (Please notify me if I missed a vote by Archer) I’m not getting a very good read on anyone else, however. I was going to comment on not liking this but I don't know how to take the "thinking I was Archer" thing. If it was planned between two Elims then Archer would have had a stronger reaction, so it's not e/e. I still do think that archer is looking suspicious off of it based on his way-too-chill response. On 5/7/2021 at 6:00 PM, Sart said: Now, Fourth agreed that taking your time in the infirmary wasn't a great idea. However, abandoning the injured in the hospital was just plain suicidal. If the Saboteurs attacked someone, that meant the victim wasn't a Saboteur. Having confirmed good people would greatly help our chances. Yes, he supposed a Saboteur could fake an injury, but that would be a huge risk, and with not much benefit. Even if we don't trust the wounded completely, it would still double the Saboteur's workload. The longer we survived, the more we have a chance to root out the traitors. It was a simple rule. When your opponent's low on chips, you bleed him dry. We win via attrition. So, for that backwards logic, Illwei had to go. Also, if you manage to revive someone from the hospital, it's practically a 1-1 trade, so it doesn't do much. I stand by my opinions that losing a vote for a cycle isn't woth having a maybe confirmed villager. Commentary upon the original statement. A note: I have found myself agreeing with Illwei. This is deeply unnerving and perhaps deserves some introspection. Quote Also In response to the people, the post is not "all about why TUO, Tani, And Szeth are suspicious" On 5/6/2021 at 8:35 PM, Illwei said: I'm going to throw a vote on Experience Right now. Noted: - [1] Don't like TUO's "this will probably come off later", because that gives him reason to remove if XP gets more pressure, and it also defeats the purpose in a way of voting someone to pressure them at all. ("TUO sus") - [2] I think tani's question is mostly meaningless- answer wise. The Elims have to kill all the villagers to live. So even if all the villagers know who the elims are, the elims then I guess either have to work out and kill the agent first, or work out other things. Idk. So villagers don't really chose a side there (Response to Tani's answer, not even a "Tani's sus) - I think the distro is 11-4-1, and 10-5-1 feels too little (EDIT: TOO MANY. TOO MANY ELIMS. NOT TOO LITTLE ELIMS.). The Elims have functionally won once they outnumber everyone else- the only thing left for them to do is to find the agent and kill them first before the rest of the village. So that's still 4 cycles to get down to 3-1-4 in a perfect Elim game. - I think the arguments about the Neutral being a threat have no weight, as their kill would only be used in endgame, where maybe it's two villagers and them, or them and a villager vs. the elims, or Villagers with one Elim left. killing off earlier than that doesn't really help them as much Imo, and if we are winning then they don't have any incentive to kill off a trusted/important town role. - If there's only one engineer in this game, I'd assume it would be an Elim. - Again, I don't really have a problem with the Agent winning instead of the village. I'm not gonna actively try and help them ofc (if there even is a way to do that), but I'm not going to try and delay the game if we think they have all 5 parts upgraded or whatnot. (and then from here down) - Szeth and Tani both voted on themselves - Tani and TUO voted on Striker. - Immediately more suspicious of all three because TUO didn't even stay on Exp like he said he wanted to (Implied e/e speculation between TUO/XP) Tani and Szeth haven't made a significant vote (only on them, or on the GM) The question is: are people's sensitivities to this because either it mentions them or they're an Elim and it mentions their teammate? If Quinn is an Elim here, being hypersensitive to seeing the names of her teammates, then I could mark Exp/Quinn as Elims, and then make another connection for TUO/Quinn for her trying to redirect the lynch onto me. This could fit with the e/e speculation between TUO and Exp, imo. I need to go shower and get ready for work now, but TUO EDIT: I feel a bit like I'm confbiasing but I don't have enough time to go through the thread (well, I guess more than 50 minutes, which is what I just spent, waking up at 6 :P. I don't really think it would matter either because people have a habit of not really listening to dead people's older posts, even if I did happen to be right :P. so eh. I don't really have a read on Sart despite his post. i feel like it follows very standard logic, and I can see an Elim writing it up just as much as a villager. Still marking Szeth village at the moment for mixing up me and Archer. I stare at this and cannot find anything that incentivises any further questioning. Quote Also i dont know what to call this inactivity from az, but im not ready to call it Elim indicative. Meaningless Quote On 5/8/2021 at 9:53 AM, Devotary of Spontaneity said: rest of the game Depending on the cycle it could be just what the elims need to get an advantage. And its not for the whole game, because if someone was killed then they might end up being confirmed village if revived, which means that they will die again. So say theres 10 people left in the game: Doc and tuo go to hospital, 4-4, elims gain advantage, they shoot tuo or other. Also on that, TUO, you announcing the "cover" makes that "cover" meaningless. Then they come back, two village dead which puts the village at 5-4, yadda yadda As opposed to being at 6-4 and having those 6 votes. A valid elaboration. Conclusion: Nothing thus far. I have seen nothing that has bearing on anything. The second day Spoiler Quote On 5/8/2021 at 11:09 AM, Szeth_Pancakes said: @Illwei, concerning your confusion, I had originally thought Archer was suspicious for declaring he was suspicious of Tani and I, but then not voting. Then I realized that the post I thought Archer was sussing us in was actually your post. So, using the same reasoning, you were suspicious. Also, Sart came up with some points that solidified my suspicions of you. Confusion? What confusion? The "confusion" i mentioned, if i mentioned any, was *your* confusion. Your confusion in mixing up Archer and me. On 5/8/2021 at 11:19 AM, Quintessential said: Illwei wasn't dancing around Tani's question that I could tell. And anyway, I don't really know why that's even an argument; it's not like it's hard for the elims to give actual opinions on a hypothetical situation that's incredibly unlikely to happen, so the fact that she didn't commit one way or another is NAI imo. I think the main point is that i answered differently from everyone else, who said Agent. And I guess you, who said Elims. On 5/8/2021 at 11:14 AM, Szeth_Pancakes said: Nearly half of Sart’s post regarded why he was suspicious of Illwei. He noted that Illwei was dancing around Tani’s question, among other things. Oh, also, I’m voting Illwei for now. This could change later in the cycle. Sarts reasoning was that he supposedly didnt think my logic checked out about the doctor not reviving people. Im not going to be convinced that it's worth it. I was under the impression that codes were allowed as long as they could be solved and not by a computer system. I suppose the rules may have changed since the new update though. Illwei has reasonable responses. I am horrified. Quote On 5/8/2021 at 1:26 PM, Szeth_Pancakes said: @Illwei This confusion: Lol can you put the quinklink in next time so i can find it without having to search for it 1- noting the "we" from Tani. 2- forgot about this earlier: i really thought TUO was gonna flip doctor if village. Saying youd go to provide cover is a useless thing to say unless youre the doctor trying to deflect. 3- i think tied votes remaining as they are rn is fine, i think theres info either way in the people wanting to kill both, and in the people advocating for not doing so The opinion on tied votes is one that is noted but tolerable. Quote On 5/8/2021 at 2:14 PM, Archer said: Do you want to kill the doctor(s)? Lmao no, but my vote on order was almost all self pres, and if there was a chance of yall switching last minute to someone else, i wasnt going to make him a potential target by saying i thought he was the doctor. Illwei, for the sake of my sanity, I request that you stop being reasonable. Quote On 5/9/2021 at 0:55 PM, Jondesu said: Edit: it comes very close to gamethrowing, in my opinion. I have to agree here on this, and this was a common d1 discussion topic back when gears started this. Now, I'd like to welcome you all to the debate room. First topic? Quinn and Gears are both Elims. Discuss. Noted for implication on the basis of conversation. Quote On 5/9/2021 at 9:51 AM, Biplet said: Yo, Exp and Illwei when you see this, ppl avoided ties with you two last cycle. I’m hesitant to immediately read that as elim, bc no one likes a tie C1 lol, but I’m curious what your defense is, especially since TUO flipped village. I really dont know what you expect me to defend lol. Someone not wanting to tie the vote?? I think people wanting to tie the vote isnt good and i dont think it has to do with the specific people, at least in my case. I dont remember XP being up there in the lead long enough for anything to matter there. @matrim's dice but it doesnt work Hm? Well, it depends on if you think that theres more than one...uh... ... ... brigman? And what the priorities of that person are going to be. I wouldnt be surprised if there was an elim brigman too. But if the priority is protection, and Gears does manage to get quinn protected, then that leaves the Elims less worried about being caught, and them also not worried about their target being protected. I have more to think but my break is over and i cant quote very easily on mobile :P. Stop making statements that are easily agreed with. Quote On 5/9/2021 at 6:12 PM, Jondesu said: Unless someone higher up wants to step in, yeah, basically. Why not? I could argue here about I think this accomplishes nothing. People do this, yes. In the end it doesnt accomplish much. In most cases Gears will flip village and we get nothing our of it, and it specifically sets us back on the actual goal of finding elims to specifically waste a turn voting out Gears. I could also talk about my thoughts on how the forum here in general seems to have rules that arent clear/dont exist about gamethrowing. Modkills don't happen even in explicit gamethrowing cases, and without mod action and definitions on what is allowed and what isnt, the players are left to not play the actual game until they sort it out themselves, which I dont think is fair to the players. Anyways, as i was writing the first bit I was going to say that the best course of action might be just ignoring it, but i cant say it is. Because the goal of it was this. Not this discussion, but to prevent people from knowing if it was a legitimate slip or if it was just a joke, and this started off as harmful to the village in every game gears claimed elim when a villager, because he knew that he would get voted off, and his end goal with claiming elim was just to hopefully make his elim games more succesful. I also want to point out that the way he claims needs to be noticed. Its not an outright claim, which is different because the player would normally notice, and/or make a conscious decision to claim. Gears phrases his in ways where they appear like elim slips, which is why people notice them in the first place, and you dont see people legitimately suspecting me for jokingly "talking" about the elim doc. Despite this, its not something i want to waste my energy and vote on. Because i want to try and play the game, not do what should theoretically be the mod's job. TJ An eloquent response to actions and a vote that I do not understand. The vote is noted. Quote Anyways, @Azmine_king No need for a huge epic post, just hows it going rn? Meaningless Quote @Szeth_Pancakes I appreciate your effort, but your argument reeks so much of confirmation bias that theres not really much reason for me to argue :P. Ill respond to a few things i guess, lol. On 5/9/2021 at 8:06 PM, Szeth_Pancakes said: he Heh On 5/9/2021 at 8:06 PM, Szeth_Pancakes said: It would mean the villagers gaining a turn to figure out the elims, and the elims losing a turn and having to kill the same person again the next turn. Again, this depends so heavily on when it happens and to who it happens. Personally, i think this all comes back to the concersation some people had a bit ago about to self-pres or not to self-pres. Most specifically, the argument where "If you think the other person up is village, then youre saying you are saying you consider yourself more important than them". This is basically what the doctor is doing in my opinon. They are giving up their ability to talk and vote for a cycle to most likely grant someone else the power to vote and talk in the next cycle. I dont think this is all that beneficial to the village, when so much can go wrong already with us having inactives. On 5/9/2021 at 8:22 PM, Szeth_Pancakes said: but the fact that the opinions weren't presented in a very elim way doesn't invalidate the suspiciousness of the opinions in the first place This is a confbiasy sentence, specifically. Just to point it out. How ideas are presented should be taken into account, imo, when looking at things, and saying they dont matter is just. Wrong. I appreciate the effort you put into your case though. 6/10, no new points from last cycle, lacking a strong conclusion. :P. On 5/9/2021 at 8:46 PM, Archer said: In this situation, I'll note that v!him doesn't have any special knowledge of Quinn's alignment, so his making a post that reveals her role isn't game throwing to me. I wasnt under the impression this was the argument, so if it is i agree with archer, and even doing so as them being e/e wouldnt likely be gamethrowing. I was under the assumption that we were referencing his claiming elim and that whatnot. Why must the Wei keep making self-consistent, high-quality arguments? Quote Perhaps i think you're arguing the wrong points :P. Regardless of the intentions, that is a side effect. The doctor is practically killing themself by reviving someone- you can't argue against that in good faith. And so despite what you may think the purpose would be, they still are both trading with someone, and that delay being delayed- losing a vote and discussion in the current cycle. I think we havent put any pressure on elims because of how dead this cycle has been. I'll look more when I get on my computer but tbh I'm just not feeling up to it rn. The last statement is one I would be willing to note. Perhaps the Saboteurs have not felt pressured because of a lacklustre effort, even if one of their one was noted. But it's not an inherently suspicious opinion. Conclusion: Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The futility of existence weighs upon me like a millstone. Alas. The third day Spoiler Quote There have been 7 posts this cycle, and about half are a form of "welp, theres the agent" I gotta be honest, this was my first idea for a post, soni cant really blame them :P. Assuming 4 elims, we're at 9 - 4 right now. I honestly think that the elims werent pressured yesterday, because of how minimal discussion there was. TJ Again with the odd vote on Shade. Reasonable but noted opinion about yesterday's dismissal. Quote 15 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said: Does that mean you’re soft clearing all the candidates yesterday? :P. I guess that’s just you and Exp who was inactive No. ...maybe? just the vote was so spread out and ties kill all. And there was still so little discussion. I comprehend but still note the opinion. Quote 13 hours ago, Biplet said: Randby still hasn’t shown up, and I worry about what their role could be. I...didnt realize she was in the game... @Random Bystander Whats crackalacking? And @Azmine_king lets be friends, what are your thoughts on TJ rn? And what do you think the voting from yesterday tells us? And what is your favorite ice cream flavor? And it better not be cookies and creme or chocolate chip cookie dough. Bips take on the engineer is quite bizare, because the engineer fixes the upgrades that the agent makes. Four engineers was speculated by Archer at first. Means he didnt have tmi on the whole elim team having roles when he said that, so nice, but also it was just a general speculation. I dont know where im going with this. To pressure people, we need some more votes or arguments, guys. If this has to be rvs part two then make it that. Make up reasoning on someone. Present a bad case but make it sound like you believe in it because we need some conversation happening, and some defenses. Nothing of substance. [OOC: I'm working on it. Hush. It takes a while to iso every player in the game.] Quote 12 hours ago, Random Bystander said: And I forgot that I was in the game. I'll read stuff, and get back to you guys soon. Sorry. Yeah, i realized that the GMs werent tagging the living players, so i realized you might have not noticed the game started :P. Edit: @Biplet Quote Yo @Illwei I still wanna know why you're voting TJ. I might be stupid, but I've read back through the other two cycles and I can't find your reasonings for it. I want attention Nothing. Quote 11 hours ago, Biplet said: And I'm giving it to you Alas, from TJ :pensive: Yet more nothing. Quote 9 hours ago, |TJ| said: Shoulda given some reasoning smh :P. But i have none ;-; 9 hours ago, |TJ| said: burd Burd Ah. Quote 1 hour ago, Quintessential said: ...hmmm good point, actually. Yes, I was Brigged last cycle. Now that I think about it, that probably doesn't give the elims much info that they didn't have before... I mean, unless it wasn't because of IA that there was no elim kill C1. And since the Lab is sabotaged, they can't find the IA by scanning me even if they have a Biologist. I gotta be honest, still haven't read the rules, still haven't done anything, still don't know what this means :P. Can't really effectively analyze things like the sabotages without understanding what it impacts but I'm still not really- I- sigh Nothing. Quote 16 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: I'm reading Illwei as village. SUs Concurrence. Stop it. Quote 8 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: About standard, actually :P. Not really, if you think about it :P. Nothing. Conclusion: I could go on about the dangers of implication of others, but I have found nothing. Illwei is not noted in the slightest, and this itself is noted. Quote 7 hours ago, |TJ| said: By the way, how are the Kukupa Twins? :P. Bold of you to assume ive taken an action You dont think that we'd have a PM right now if i had the ability? :P. 1 hour ago, Quintessential said: I do not currently know Gears' alignment. Draw your own conclusions : P Why not? Qwinn [OOC: Stop posting while I'm trying to iso every player in the game, please and thank you.] Implies a lack of Kukupa Twins. Quote 34 minutes ago, Quintessential said: Either because I was blocked/protected or because for some reason I chose to scan someone else. Again, draw your own conclusions one way or another. What do you lose by telling us if you were brigged. Can the ...brigger? Not brig the same person two nights in a row? Makes a good point. Quinn Spoiler The first day Spoiler Quote Oh shoot this game starts today??? smh maybe I shoulda read that bit before I agreed to be a full player. Anyway uh yeah lemme go reread the rules and in the meantime, Biplet, long time no see! Meaningless Quote On 5/6/2021 at 1:57 PM, Tani said: So... random question here... If we had to choose between the elims winning or the agent winning, which would you each choose? (Village winning is NOT an option in this hypothetical situation!) I think I'd choose the agent. I'd choose the elims; more people would win that way xD basically the Trolley Problem but with less dire consequences Meaningless Quote On 5/6/2021 at 3:47 PM, Archer said: My brain played the same trick with Quinn's name change, I totally forgot she had numbers originally. Wait you were around back when I had numbers??? Hmmm wait you joined in QF49 so ig you were... I had totally forgotten xD Unsolicited and probably accurate VC: Biplet (1): Quinn Tani (1): Tani Szeth (1): Szeth Illwei (1): Azmine Azmine (1): Illwei Exp (1): TUO Quinn (1): Matrim Sart (1): Jondesu Meaningless Quote On 5/6/2021 at 4:50 PM, StrikerEZ said: Okay, that's enough GM comments from me. I forgot you were a GM until you said this : P Meaningless. Quote On 5/6/2021 at 5:10 PM, Tani said: Striker because he's always evil. Especially when he's the GM. I legit started to open my notes doc to record this as a real vote and then read the rest of the sentence and realized I'd forgotten again xD Meaningless Quote On 5/6/2021 at 6:07 PM, Szeth_Pancakes said: Probably agent. At least they’re not attacking us Did you miss the part where the Agent has a one-time kill? They could attack us, as a matter of fact A good point. Means nothing. Quote On 5/6/2021 at 7:43 PM, Illwei said: Killing the GM is soooooooo last month, smh Yeah, no one's ever going to top Kas's dethroning xD Meaningless. Quote On 5/6/2021 at 7:56 PM, Jondesu said: Edit: and @Quintessential, you must have stalked my Facebook or something. How did you get my age? I stalked all your old posts on SE xD everyone who's been around as long as you have is bound to have mentioned their age or at least stage of life at some point Meaningless Quote On 5/6/2021 at 8:00 PM, Jondesu said: Quinn guessed my age correctly last turn. No, I guessed your age correctly in the other game xD wrong thread On 5/6/2021 at 8:00 PM, Jondesu said: Ah, ok. Impressive dedication. It only took me 5 minutes, so not really : P Meaningless Quote Okay finally I can sit down and actually do stuff with this game. I reread the thread and my overall impressions so far: TJ's vote on TUO felt village--being concerned with oversharing information about actions is a mindset that villagers automatically have and elims (speaking from personal experience) don't. TUO's statement of what their action would be also felt village, though, imo. I can't imagine an elim would want to publicly obligate themselves to do a specific action, or at least not until the entire team had decided who was submitting the kill and who was doing what other actions. Since TUO announced their action less than 3.5 hours after the start of the cycle... well, I have a hard time believing the team would have had everything figured out by then. Exp's post at the beginning is admittedly a little odd so I have them as null elim for now. Tani is Tani. After what happened in QF52, I've decided to take a break from reading her village just for being Tani, so I have her as null for now. Same for Gears being Gears though admittedly I couldn't get myself to read that whole post. I mention them specifically because they're people I feel like I should have a read on, I just... don't. They're noted null, ig. On 5/7/2021 at 2:57 PM, Biplet said: ( @Quintessential good to see you too!) Biplet Illwei, how come you voted Experience without reasoning and then dedicated the rest of that same post to explaining why you thought Tani, TUO, and Szeth were sus? (Exp themself pointed this out already and you never explained) Their reasoning for trust of Shade is noted because Saboteurs by default should adopt a village mindset. All else is fine. Quote On 5/7/2021 at 5:04 PM, Experience said: Not sure how it's odd to choose to hold off on voting at start of d1 but ok... It's more gut based on your phrasing than your actually decision to hold off voting : P Noted. Mostly because instincts are fallible. Quote Unsolicited and probably accurate VC: Tani (1): Exp Illwei (4): Azmine, Quinn, Szeth, Sart Exp (2): Illwei, TUO TUO (3): TJ, Matrim, Biplet Gears (2): Jondesu, Tani Okay so I'm not sure how to feel about my Illwei vote suddenly picking up two followers... uhhh I guess I'll let it sit for now, but I'm keeping an eye on that. Especially if we later find out TUO's elim. On 5/7/2021 at 6:17 PM, Tani said: Sorry! ;-; It's fine, it just means I have to be more careful around you Shading the other Illwei voters, giving a way out if necessary, noted. Quote On 5/8/2021 at 1:15 AM, |TJ| said: Exactly what TUO did in LG73 when he announced he'd be protecting the camp and we all read him village for it. Ah, that's... actually fair. I'd forgotten about that game : P Nothing. Quote On 5/8/2021 at 8:14 AM, Illwei said: honestly not ever wanting to play this card because it's just not nice, but I'd keep an eye on the people who are usually against killing people D1 who die early. I just died D1 and then N2 in the last games, so I should make that list, but even the people like Quinn seem perfectly fine killing me. Not even a "I know they didn't get to play the last two games, but they're very suspicious", just a "eh why not kill an Illwei again" Oh wait Illwei I'd forgotten you died early in those games somehow. Sorry about that oof Besides which, your response here actually feels pretty vil to me so I'm revising my read of you for the moment. On 5/8/2021 at 8:14 AM, Illwei said: I already explained my thoughts on XP before, and it wasn't a post dedicated to why those three were suspicious, just the things I thought stood out to me in the cycle so far. Ah, okay yeah I see that now. On 5/8/2021 at 8:14 AM, Illwei said: Why would not sharing be wasting an action? Because only 3 birds can be lent from the Aviar Holding Area each cycle, so if more than three people ask for birds, some of those actions will be wasted. Basically TUO is saying they want to coordinate who takes birds each cycle : P On 5/8/2021 at 8:14 AM, Illwei said: Also, if you manage to revive someone from the hospital, it's practically a 1-1 trade, so it doesn't do much. I stand by my opinions that losing a vote for a cycle isn't woth having a maybe confirmed villager. The point is that it buys us time in the form of extra cycles. Like, if I'm NKd this cycle and go to the hospital, and another villager is misexed, we go from (what I'm assuming to be) 11-4-1 to 9-4-1. With a misexe each cycle, the elims win C7 even without the extra kills from the Trapper and the Agent. With those extra kills, they could win as early as C5. However, if a Doctor goes to save me from the hospital, that moves the possible elim win-cycle up by 1--so, C8 and C6 respective, instead of C7 and C5. And that's with only one Doctor saving only one patient. Even if that Doctor and that patient are the next two to die, it still delays the elims winning. On 5/8/2021 at 8:52 AM, |TJ| said: Well, why aren't you voting for him then? Because I had reasons to vote Illwei at the time--all of which she's responded to convincingly and village-y imo, hence why I'm not voting her anymore. Also, she and TUO both died early in recent games, so I'd feel bad killing either of them. I'm voting Experience because I have a mild elim read on them and... well I'd feel bad killing TUO or Illwei on C1 again : P Current VC: Tani (1): Exp Illwei (3): Azmine, Szeth, Sart Exp (2): TUO, Quinn TUO (4): TJ, Matrim, Biplet, Illwei Gears (3): Jondesu, Tani, Devo Taking the way out. Lesser note. Quote On 5/8/2021 at 10:07 AM, Matrim's Dice said: TUO cause I want to see if anyone else wants to vote Tani idk how to read Tani so I don't think I'm comfortable voting her... I'd rather Exp as an alternative than Tani. Noted. Distinctly. Conclusion: Several minor notes. If Quinn is a Saboteur, I'd examine Shade, Illwei, and Tevris. The second day. Spoiler Quote @DeTess @StrikerEZ if the elim kill was blocked, I'm assuming that it wouldn't show up in the write-up. What about if the elim-kill hit someone with protection? Would that person appear as having been attacked but survived? Also is code even allowed in anonymous messages? Questions. Meaningless. Quote On 5/8/2021 at 11:02 AM, DeTess said: There aren't any roles with extra lives, and the two ways to avoid getting attacked involve not being there when the attack hits (because your bird warned you or because you are in the brig), so the attack wouldn't be mentioned in that case either. Does requesting Aviars come before or after kills in the order of actions? (that is, is it possible for someone to be saved by an Aviar C1?) Edit: huh, and the Agent didn't improve any parts. I wonder what that means... More questions. Quote Okay, so either A. the elims forgot to submit the kill? B. the elim submitting the kill got thrown into the Brig or C. the elims attacked someone who got thrown into the Brig. Any security officers out there... well, it's up to you whether you claim but it could provide us useful information. Alternatively, you could send an anonymous message this cycle saying who you blocked (but not who you are). Incentivises the SecOffs to claim. However, I find this fine because the Saboteurs did not sabotage the message board. Quote On 5/8/2021 at 11:09 AM, Szeth_Pancakes said: @Illwei, concerning your confusion, I had originally thought Archer was suspicious for declaring he was suspicious of Tani and I, but then not voting. Then I realized that the post I thought Archer was sussing us in was actually your post. So, using the same reasoning, you were suspicious. Also, Sart came up with some points that solidified my suspicions of you. Wait, what points did Sart have? (I have a hard time reading debate/arguments written in RP form, so it's quite possible there were some and I missed them : P) Implicates that Fourth's points are invalid. Quote On 5/8/2021 at 11:14 AM, Szeth_Pancakes said: Nearly half of Sart’s post regarded why he was suspicious of Illwei. He noted that Illwei was dancing around Tani’s question, among other things. Illwei wasn't dancing around Tani's question that I could tell. And anyway, I don't really know why that's even an argument; it's not like it's hard for the elims to give actual opinions on a hypothetical situation that's incredibly unlikely to happen, so the fact that she didn't commit one way or another is NAI imo. Concurrence. Quote On 5/8/2021 at 0:36 PM, Tani said: Is it best if the Captains Quarters gets repaired, or do we like tied deaths? I don't particularly care either way; early on in the game, it's probably fine to have ties kill all players in them, especially because it increases the stakes for the elims and can give us more solid information to analyze during endgame. I do think it's important to get that fixed before Ex-Lo though : P On 5/8/2021 at 1:01 PM, Jondesu said: Want to hear more theories on the survival of the Elim target assuming they didn’t forget to submit the kill (I can’t see any that make sense to me unless they went after the current vote leader which would be nonsensical). ...did you not read my post? *sigh* here, I'll reiterate: Assuming the elims didn't forget and didn't attack TUO (both of which are relatively unlikely scenarios imo), the only way there was no NK is if either the elims targeted someone who was thrown in the Brig or the elim submitting the kill was thrown in the Brig. As clarified by the GMs, no one would have had an Aviar when the kill took place, so that form of protection isn't a possibility here. On 5/8/2021 at 1:21 PM, Archer said: [1] Hey @Quintessential, there's a person named @quinn and I keep accidentally almost pinging them. [2] If the Tracker chose not to attack anyone this cycle, that is village alignment indicative. The elims would have been very unlucky if both of their attacks had been blocked. [1] you know you did just ping them, right? lol [2] it would take some pretty insane balancing for an elim Tracker to work as a role, so I was already assuming the Tracker was village (if there is one at all *glares at Mat*). It's possible that the Tracker did submit a kill, but was roleblocked or submitted the kill on someone who had protection. It's also possible that the Tracker was inactive. Or they just decided that Terminal Seeking isn't worth it this early on On 5/8/2021 at 1:49 PM, Devotary of Spontaneity said: The elims could have neglected a kill if they were afraid of the biologist scan, but if they were really afraid they could have sabotaged the laboratory. Potentially they want to wait on sabotaging the lab until they think they'll be able to hospitalise the biologist in doing so. You know the Biologist can't scan hospitalized people, right? Hospitalized people can only be targeted by actions from visitors, and visitors can only use kills and heals. Therefore, the elims don't actually have to worry about that; it's only a problem for them if they attack someone who has a Sak, and that person reveals they were attacked (which they would know because they'd be RB'd and lose the bird), and specifically asks for a Biologist to scan them. The role the elims really have to worry about is Navigator, because Navigator can show everyone who targeted a person, and can do it without actually revealing their own identity. Though, since they (edit: the elims) didn't sabotage the Control Room, it seems they aren't that worried about that either. On 5/8/2021 at 2:21 PM, Matrim's Dice said: Hmm now we know that TUO/Exp isn't e/e though :P. I think I will throw a vote on Exp now. As a test. Edit: @Experience ...well, yeah. TUO's vil. Of course he's not e/e with Exp. : P Their distinct incorrectness implies a lack of collusion. However, they are fond of ties. Quote On 5/8/2021 at 3:06 PM, Matrim's Dice said: I genuinely don't know what this is referring to. The lack of Assassins and Bodyguards in LG75 lol On 5/8/2021 at 3:17 PM, Jondesu said: I read it. I just wanted to know if anyone else had thoughts. Sometimes I miss things in rules, you could have too. I went back over them pretty thoroughly after I saw that there was no elim kill : P Nothing. Quote On 5/8/2021 at 3:58 PM, Devotary of Spontaneity said: The biologist specifically can scan hospitalised people. Ah, okay, I missed that. On 5/8/2021 at 3:58 PM, Devotary of Spontaneity said: The navigator sees a player's target, not a player's targeters. They scanned you to see who you targeted, not Gears to show everyone who targeted him. Still useful but in a different way. And yes, sorry, that's what I meant--the Navigator has the potential to anonymously follow the elim submitting the kill and report who that person targeted. Which is very bad for the elims and pretty useful for us lol Nothing. Quote Okay, great, thank you so much Gears for pointing out that you can actually figure out my role (or, well, narrow it down to two possibilities) just from what everyone knows. Now that he's said that, I'm just going to assume the elims know already and claim. My action targeted a person, rather than a part of the ship, which means I'm not engineer or messenger and that I didn't place an anonymous note (which is doubly obvious since there isn't a second one) or request an Aviar. More specifically, my action targeted a living person on C1, meaning I'm not a Doctor or a Biologist. And it didn't independently cause any effects in the write-up, meaning I'm not a Navigator. I could theoretically have requested an anonymous PM (I think?) but Gears's wording rules that out because he says he knows my role, not just what action I took. (Again, thanks a lot : P) The only way I'm a Trapper (or an elim submitting the kill, for anyone who feels like being paranoid) is if Gears was Brigged; but I'm pretty sure that if he was Brigged, it would have occurred to him that I could be his attacker and not his savior, and he would have said something. Since he didn't, and since I didn't claim Internal Affairs at the start, the only possibility left is that I'm an Investigator... which I am. So uh... yeah, if there are any Internal Affairs out there, I'd highly appreciate some protection : P TJ's right that it is a little weird Gears assumed I'm village, but on the other hand, second scans with Investigator are alignment scans, so it is a more useful role for the village. You didn't have to do that. Logic: Perhaps this is sensible, publicly asking for protection. They wouldn't want protection as a Saboteur since protection is a gilded cage. Paranoia: They claim because they know they are safe from the weapons in the night. Quote On 5/9/2021 at 10:18 AM, Jondesu said: I’m still stuck on Gears from before, so I’m totally on board with this. Forcing someone to reveal their role is never good anyways. He didn't really, though. Anyone could have narrowed it down to either Internal Affairs or Investigator, both of which are targets for the elims. I was contemplating revealing anyway and asking for protection, but I wasn't sure whether it would be better to stay silent and hope the elims didn't realize. Really the person who forced me to reveal was whoever shone the ship's spotlights on me : P On 5/9/2021 at 9:51 AM, Biplet said: No suspicions yet, but I am curious about what Gears is lolol I'm more inclined to trust Gears than suspect him, so I'm not going to reveal his role for now. Current VC: Illwei (1): Szeth Exp (1): Matrim Tani (1): Gears Gears (2): TJ, Jondesu I don't really understand why @|TJ| and @Jondesu are voting for Gears. What would an elim have to gain by intentionally revealing that they have knowledge of another player's role? It makes the elim in question more suspicious if that player dies to the NK, and calling attention to the fact that that player has an important role makes it more likely that they'll be protected, which in turn makes it harder to kill them. As far as I can tell, Gears forced me to claim because A. I could be elim and B. if I'm not elim, I may already have a huge target on my back and my claiming will at least make the elims think twice about immediately attacking me. It's annoying because now it means I won't necessarily be able to scan people (which is why I sounded kind of annoyed when I claimed :P), but I'll still submit a scan each cycle on the off chance no one's protecting me. In the end, Gears probably just bought me a few more cycles of life, so I'm inclined to read him village for that. On 5/9/2021 at 10:55 AM, Matrim's Dice said: This is not a village move imo :P. But I don't think it's an elim!Gears move to do this and then explain that he did it. No, it's a Gears move. This kind of thing is why I find it so hard to read him I instinctively react negatively to this because I did not force you to claim. However, it has sound points. I hereby give you consent to reveal my role if you so choose. Quote On 5/9/2021 at 0:55 PM, Jondesu said: Edit: it comes very close to gamethrowing, in my opinion. *sigh* in this particular case I have to strongly disagree with you, because Gears is RPing as one of the Saboteurs, and like... it'd be kind of unfair to outlaw RPing a certain character/POV imo. In other cases, where he's claiming elim OOC, I kind of get it, but also it's not really a big deal? idk. Like I don't see what the problem with saying you're elim is, because it's equally nonsensical for either alignment to do it, meaning that it's NAI. Treating it as if it should be AI (or forbidden) just doesn't make sense to me; if other people want to claim elim then it's really not that hard to just ignore it in serious analysis. On 5/9/2021 at 4:25 PM, Devotary of Spontaneity said: That would require Quinn and Gears to have known that a navigator was going to scan Quinn, since I don't think there's any other reason for an elim to target a teammate C1. That would pretty much mean that Quinn, Gears, and the navigator are all evil, which I guess is possible. In other Quinn opinions, a role/alignment scanner is only useful if they can actually submit scans, which can't happen if Quinn's roleblocked every cycle. The brig is also pretty useless as a way to protect villagers since sabotaging the brig as it protects someone accomplishes the same thing as attacking someone who isn't brigged. Kind of actively harmful since the elims can hospitalise two people at once if one of them is in the brig. A. Devo had the exact same response I did for the me/Gears e/e thing lol B. The point of my claiming and asking for protection isn't to actually get protection--it's to keep the elims from attacking me. They (and I) don't know whether Internal Affairs will actually protect me or not. That's up to the person or people with that role to decide. However, so long as the elims know there's a higher than average chance that I'll have protection, they'll be wary of attacking me because doing so might backfire on them and prolong their win-con--something they already have had to deal with once, it seems, and probably aren't eager to have happen again. Sabotaging the Brig is one way to get around that, obviously, but that was always going to be a problem; I doubt that village Internal Affairs was going to not protect people just because the Brig might be sabotaged that cycle. They leave reasoning why they won't be attacked. Logic sees nothing wrong. Paranoia sees establishing a foundation for implication. Quote On 5/9/2021 at 6:02 PM, Jondesu said: I find this whole discussion frustrating because people are basically saying because Gears does this regularly, they can write it off. That wasn't the case when he started. It isn't the case for other people. Why are we treating Gears differently from other players? On the contrary, I at least am not treating Gears any differently. I always ignore it when people claim elim, jokingly or apparently seriously. Edit: Except, I should add, when they claim because they've been found out anyway--in which case, it's still ignoring because I would have assumed them to be elim whether they'd said anything or not. Edit #2: @Matrim's Dice here's a VC: Illwei (1): Szeth Exp (1): Matrim Tani (1): Gears Gears (1): Jondesu Jondesu (1): TJ Nothing. Quote VC: Illwei (1): Szeth Exp (2): Matrim, Jondesu Tani (1): Gears Jondesu (1): TJ TJ (1): Illwei Archer (1): Quinn @Jondesu we have 15.5 hours left, which is not "a couple" even if you consider that people in my timezone and thereabouts will be sleeping for some of them. I'm gonna throw a vote on Archer (@Archer) because I've noticed he's been uncharacteristically quiet this turn. If it comes down to it, I'll vote Exp to avoid a tie/near tie, but tbh I don't even remember what they did that was suspicious, which imo means it probably wasn't enough to actually warrant being voted off after C1 : P Seemingly good point about Dawn. They seem to forget their suspicion of Zara in exchange for a new one. Quote On 5/10/2021 at 5:34 AM, Tani said: Edit: @Quintessential can you scan me? I think I trust your vil-ness and wish for confirmation of mine. I won't be announcing beforehand whom I'm scanning, and I won't be taking suggestions. Though, given that I have no clue how to read you, I'll probably end up scanning you at some point if I survive long enough to do so : P (there are about 4 hrs 15 minutes left in the cycle) Also @DeTess and @StrikerEZ, if I were to scan the Agent, what would their role show up as? And their alignment, if I scanned a second time? Nothing. Quote On 5/10/2021 at 9:40 AM, Biplet said: Wasn't the original vote on Archer because he was quiet? He's posted since that og vote from Quinn, unless that's not her only reason and I'm misreading. I agree with some of Devotary's reasoning though. The only strong opinion I see from Archer is about Gears' word choice, which was much appreciated but nothing huge. Yeah, the original point was to get him to say something, but what he did say felt like... well, basically I also agree with Devo xD generally, Archer posts very little per cycle in terms of number of posts, but his posts are high-density, quality analysis (or RP), so it's impossible to forget he's in the game and most people count him as being on roughly the same level of activity as players like me/Mat/Illwei. This game, though, I was looking at the player list and was like "wait Archer's playing???" And honestly his response hasn't really changed that. On 5/10/2021 at 9:40 AM, Biplet said: Quick additional thought: no one's addressed that the agent didn't improve anything C1. That's weird, so I'm bringing it up. Why didn't the agent do anything? Agent may have improved the same part that the elims sabotaged, or may have improved a part that an engineer targeted, or may be inactive I suppose they had moderately good instincts on that, since they successfully found an active opposition to the Crew. Do it again. Quote On 5/10/2021 at 9:56 AM, Biplet said: Oh shoot I need to reread agent rules. I didn’t realize that the agent improving the part the engineer targeted would make it not work. Well, I think that's how it works lol I know that engineers and sabotages can both mess with improvements, but idk whether it would work if they were both in the same turn... yeah. They appeared to have knowledge and then sharply backpedaled. Noted. Conclusion: They are noted. Distinctly noted. However, the end result is a confused note rather than a suspected one. The third day Spoiler Quote Well that's a better outcome than a misexe, anyway. Any Doctors out there may wanna visit the hospital this cycle to save Jon. Engineers--if there are any left, that is--might wanna target the laboratory, so that we can get Biologist scans up and running for future elim kills. Obvious information. Quote 15 hours ago, Biplet said: With losing the agent, that means we’ve lost 3 engineers: two to the exe and one in the hospital. Chances are those are our only engineers, bc in a 16 player game, four of one role feels pretty lopsided. Unless someone else can prove me wrong, bc lord knows I hope we have another engineer. Agent isn't actually an engineer--they just appear that way to scans and upon hospitalization so that we don't immediately kill them So far, we've only lost two real engineers, and we could get one of them back A good point. Quote Well... I mean, voting someone for low/unsatisfactory activity worked out okay last time I did it, so Sart @Sart, any thoughts on... anything? : P Noted. Quote 11 hours ago, |TJ| said: And @Quintessential, I don't suppose there's a way you could let us know if your scan worked without revealing if there's Brig fella who protected you? Mainly asking if you scanned Gears and got to know his alignment. I do not currently know Gears' alignment. Draw your own conclusions : P Intentionally cagey with information. Quote 2 hours ago, Illwei said: Why not? Qwinn Either because I was blocked/protected or because for some reason I chose to scan someone else. Again, draw your own conclusions one way or another. See above. Noted. Quote 1 hour ago, Illwei said: What do you lose by telling us if you were brigged. Can the ...brigger? Not brig the same person two nights in a row? ...hmmm good point, actually. Yes, I was Brigged last cycle. Now that I think about it, that probably doesn't give the elims much info that they didn't have before... I mean, unless it wasn't because of IA that there was no elim kill C1. And since the Lab is sabotaged, they can't find the IA by scanning me even if they have a Biologist. Then immediately shares once pressed. Conclusion: Noted. Nothing has come from that. Philico Spoiler The first day Spoiler Quote I swear the rules are more complicated now then when I signed up for this game. Uhhh |TJ|! I haven't voted on you with the |'s before. That is my reasoning, you're welcome. Obviously that will change once something happens. In the mean time, allow me time to try to digest the rules again. I also need to mow the lawn today so I'll probably be absent for a few hours starting in a few minutes. Should be fun though Nothing. Quote Ah yes. This is an excellent reminder that I always read Exp as elim. Alright :P. On 5/6/2021 at 0:18 PM, Azmine_king said: Second game! (On this site, you should add) On 5/6/2021 at 1:03 PM, Illwei said: Anyone wanna talk about anything they found from that? :P. I still haven't read them again in depth; was mowing lawn. But off of quick skim: I'm leaning on disagreeing that Doctors aren't that helpful. The elims can win by hospitalizing too so every villager brought back is prolonging a loss. I wouldn't do it every time, but I don't think it should be ignored. I do think though that going to the Hospital if you're not a Doctor is useless though. Maybe there'll be something about it that isn't though that we'll see later, idk. Questions: @DeTess @StrikerEZ The airship parts- can we use actions to go to places? There's things about them like 'players can go here to do this' and I don't know what that means If the Agent wins does the game end? If not, and say they have 5 parts improved, and the elims kill all the villagers, then it's just a fake out for the elims and the Agent is the only winner? And same for if all the elims die when there's 5 improved parts? Is the list of the number of improved parts public to the thread? Idk how the elim wincon being different upsets the distro. With 16 players and 1 agent, I'd probably say it's 11-4-1 though I wouldn't be entirely surprised if it were 10-5-1. Valid opinions. Quote On 5/6/2021 at 2:00 PM, Quintessential said: I'd choose the elims |TJ| Quinn Seems like taking an easy way out. Quote Bad plan smh Nothing. Quote ^That, though I’d agree with Illwei on the principle Nothing. Quote On 5/6/2021 at 6:15 PM, Quintessential said: Did you miss the part where the Agent has a one-time kill? They could attack us, as a matter of fact ...I did miss that, actually Lack of information implication. Quote On 5/6/2021 at 11:26 PM, Experience said: Ummm. 1. There is no possible way for me to have any gut feeling at that point. I mean, I speak from experience (no pun intended) when I say that this isn’t true Gut feelings can come as early as anything. Truth. Nothing. Quote On 5/6/2021 at 11:46 PM, Experience said: Fine, I could have had a gut feeling. I didn't tho. Also, are you referring to your gut feeling about me? Also also, that pun was totally intended. Fair enough. Not specifically, though I could have been. Only after I noticed it Nothing. Quote My goodness I forgot about this game. Even though I *cough* followed the thread. Skimmed through but I didn't really digest it. I find both TUO and Exp weird, but I don't know how much I trust my gut on the latter. I have had a knack for catching Exp as elim, though I think that's just because he's rolled elim in a lot of games we've both played. Sort of an inverse Archer, I guess; reading them as elim but they actually are elim most of the time. So I'll need to think about that. TUO for now. I'll be back probably soonish maybe with more thoughts. Considering the degree to which people evaded Zara, I'm tempted to want them dead. Quote Gears has a history of claiming elim :P. I wouldn't look too much into it. Nothing. Quote Exeing Illwei is a bad idea imo. Don't think they've done anything deserving of it though I don't remember why they're being voted on. Concurrence in this specific instance, though noted. Quote I was under the impression that those exed go straight to the dead doc? TUO cause I want to see if anyone else wants to vote Tani Noted because I see no reasoning on that vote. Quote On 5/8/2021 at 10:11 AM, Quintessential said: idk how to read Tani so I don't think I'm comfortable voting her... I'd rather Exp as an alternative than Tani. And I counter this by saying that I don't know how to read Exp and am not comfortable voting him right now :P. Nothing. Conclusion: Nothing. The second day. Spoiler Quote On 5/8/2021 at 11:02 AM, DeTess said: edit: There are no rules specifically against code as far as I'm aware. I think there's a new rule for SE in general against code, since the AG. I don't remember exactly. On 5/8/2021 at 11:04 AM, Quintessential said: Edit: huh, and the Agent didn't improve any parts. I wonder what that means... That the Agent is inactive? :P. Nothing. Quote On 5/8/2021 at 11:29 AM, DeTess said: You're right, I'd missed that. I'm going to check with Striker Elbereth how best to handle this. The rule is in place mostly to avoid player A-player B communication, so I think a message that everyone gets anon and no one has a code, that's not meant for dodgy communication, is fine. I assume that's what that is, anyway. I dunno. @Azmine_king you around? Nothing. Quote On 5/8/2021 at 1:39 PM, Tani said: Edit: It'd be really nice if we could get input from lots of people on this. Why are you so interested in running all these surveys? :P. I'd rather avoid the ties if we can, personally. Nothing. Quote Hmm now we know that TUO/Exp isn't e/e though :P. I think I will throw a vote on Exp now. As a test. Edit: @Experience If the foundation of Zara suspicion was Order, then this is illogical. If the foundation was Zara's statement, then carry on with a note of disapproval. Quote On 5/8/2021 at 3:02 PM, Quintessential said: *glares at Mat* I genuinely don't know what this is referring to. On 5/8/2021 at 3:02 PM, Quintessential said: ...well, yeah. TUO's vil. Of course he's not e/e with Exp. : P That's what I meant :P. Nothing Quote I was gonna say- On 5/9/2021 at 9:58 AM, Gears said: I misrepresented my opinions intentionally to trap you into a strictly advantageous position. This is not a village move imo :P. But I don't think it's an elim!Gears move to do this and then explain that he did it. So I'm staying on @Experience, who I want to come say something I take great offense at this. Quote On 5/9/2021 at 11:00 AM, Quintessential said: No, it's a Gears move. This kind of thing is why I find it so hard to read him Yes, that's what I was getting at Nothing. Quote @Gears, your explanation is sound and I understand it. On the surface it doesn’t really look like it was helpful but you’re right in that it might actually be. @Jondesu it’s only gamethrowing if you don’t disregard it imo Nothing Quote On 5/9/2021 at 2:38 PM, Illwei said: Quinn and Gears are both Elims. Discuss. Well, that depends on if you voted on either of them last cycle. I mean... I dunno what it would accomplish if it were true. Like, Gears successfully got his teammate thrown in the Brig every cycle? That wouldn't be good for them, especially if it were their rolescanner, and it's not like anyone is marking both/either as definitively village right now. So I'm going to say no on this one. Good points, means nothing. Quote It also depends on whether the Internal Affairs people treat their action primarily as a protect, or as a roleblock. Good point. Quote On 5/9/2021 at 6:02 PM, Jondesu said: I find this whole discussion frustrating because people are basically saying because Gears does this regularly, they can write it off. That wasn't the case when he started. It isn't the case for other people. Why are we treating Gears differently from other players? When Gears started, he got voted off D1. Over and over. And was village, every time. It's different from other players because he's the only one claiming elim- it is different from other players. Really, it's less of a write-off and more of just pretending he hadn't said anything. Gears claiming elim means as much as Gears claiming nothing. ...Maybe that is what a write-off is, though. I dunno. What would you suggest, voting Gears off every time he claims? (Anyone have a vote count? I'm doing a bad job keeping track this game.) I appreciate the sentiment Quote n 5/9/2021 at 6:12 PM, Jondesu said: Unless someone higher up wants to step in, yeah, basically. Why not? On 5/9/2021 at 6:08 PM, Matrim's Dice said: When Gears started, he got voted off D1. Over and over. And was village, every time. Started claiming elim, I should add. He's shown through experience that voting him for claiming isn't a good enough reason. That's sorta what I meant when I said it's only gamethrowing if you don't ignore it. Further appreciation. Quote Oh yeah, I guess that's also a distinction :P. I'd never vote someone out for an unprompted blatant elim claim, whoever it is But yeah, agree to disagree. Thanks for the VC. Somehow it's 1-1-1-1-1 so that's fun :P. Nothing. Quote How bout I defend Illwei for her. Sounds fun. Note that I don't especially read her as village, just that I disagree with some of the points Szeth raised. On 5/9/2021 at 8:06 PM, Szeth_Pancakes said: This feels so, so elim to me. Why? Because elims would have lots to gain from the Doctor not reviving people. This would give us (the Villagers) one more turn to get closer to the truth and vote out the elims. As for it "not being a good trade" for the Doctor, this is blatantly untrue. Unless you're completely selfish and don't want to sacrifice one turn of your own time to give everyone else an extra turn, this is most definitely a good trade. I believe they were saying this because they wanted to plant that seed in any and all Villager Doctors that they shouldn't sacrifice their turn for the greater good. See, the thing is here is like- yeah, the elims want to kill the village doctors, but what elim would be that blatant about it? Sort of a meta argument I guess but I don't really see it. On 5/9/2021 at 8:06 PM, Szeth_Pancakes said: This post has a bit more reasoning in it, but it completely ignores the fact that time is the most valuable thing a vil can have (thinly veiled SA reference ). Someone going to the hospital and reviving one person, even if they're killed again the next turn, would be a complete nuisance to the elims. It would mean the villagers gaining a turn to figure out the elims, and the elims losing a turn and having to kill the same person again the next turn. Personally, I think that Engineers are more important. Biologists are also more important, probably Navigators too. On 5/9/2021 at 8:06 PM, Szeth_Pancakes said: This all seems okay to me (Contrary to Fourth/Sart's opinion, I don't think Illwei was dancing around the question at all) except for the last part. Remember that the Agent cannot win with the Villagers. We (the Villagers) need to stop the Agent from "improving" ship parts AND root out all the elims. In short, if the Agent wins, we lose. Illwei saying otherwise feels extremely contrary to what a Villager would act like. In fact, I'm not entirely sure what Illwei is acting like here. This struck me as extremely odd. Similar as before, like what elim would be this blatant? But it's not that cause it's not like Illwei is advocating for an Agent victory, or an elim victory, just that she'd treat an Agent victory where the village triggered it as a village victory. Which I can see and I don't see how it's AI. On 5/9/2021 at 8:06 PM, Szeth_Pancakes said: At the start of this post, Illwei "throws a vote on" Experience. Then, they go on to specify some people they're suspicious of, none of them being Experience. They aren't being consistent, and that's automatically suspicious. Also, they call me and Tani out for not making a "significant vote" and TUO out for not being consistent about his vote. Both are things that they are currently guilty of. Eh, I don't think it was a 'specification of people they're suspicious of', just things that were 'Noted', for better or for worse. It's unrelated and not necessarily a sus list. Though I do think it probably should have had some Exp in there. All excellent points that I agree with, but noted for defending someone else. However, I'd be inclined to think the best of Illwei regardless. Quote On 5/9/2021 at 8:22 PM, Szeth_Pancakes said: Much of your defense seems to be about how blatant Illwei is being about some of their suspicious opinions. I think that this is a good point, as elims are generally more careful about what they say, but the fact that the opinions weren't presented in a very elim way doesn't invalidate the suspiciousness of the opinions in the first place. Plus, most of my arguments (other than point 2) concern not the elim-ness of Illwei, but the off-ness of Illwei. They aren't doing many things I would say are elim, but they are acting very strange. That's true, yeah. But offness != elimness just ask MR45 me, so I guess if you're voting them it's off of point 2 and the fact that yeah, there's not a lot to go off of anyone else I still don't agree with point 2, but I understand it at least. On 5/9/2021 at 8:22 PM, Szeth_Pancakes said: Also, what is your read on Illwei? Good question. Uh, probably about standard, meaning an increasingly paranoid village read that increases in paranoia incrementally until she inevitably flips one way or the other. Yeah. That. Edit: I guess I could say that my metaness argument makes my vil read a bit stronger though. And my paranoia a bit stronger too. Nothing much. Conclusion: Noted occasionally. The third day Spoiler Quote @Experience did you visit the hospital yesterday? Nothing. Quote 20 hours ago, Szeth_Pancakes said: I think he meant in the game. I think Exp knows that? Not sure now though Nothing. Quote 19 hours ago, Illwei said: I honestly think that the elims werent pressured yesterday, because of how minimal discussion there was. Does that mean you’re soft clearing all the candidates yesterday? :P. I guess that’s just you and Exp who was inactive Good point. Quote 12 hours ago, |TJ| said: Okayokay so there's a 1/3 possibilty that Devotary went for.... the thing that prevents tracking. In that case, I think it'd be good for Navigator to target them again to see if she's able to be tracked because going for the tracking preventable burd is sus and optimally, villager should not go for it unless they're Trapper but there's no evidence of a Trapper (and Connie's not playing the game :P) This is pointless. I’m like 99% sure you can’t choose what bird you get. It’d be a waste of a Navigator scan imo. Exhausting day today, but the good kind. I meant to read through things and post a reads list but that’ll have to wait for tomorrow. Incorrect, which implies no collusion. Quote 9 hours ago, |TJ| said: Hmm, so Mat bluffed about the 99% or he did not visit the Aviary in the first two cycles. Interesting.... :P. I did not visit the Aviary in the first two cycles :P. Reasonable. Quote Read through the first cycles- first- 2 hours ago, Azmine_king said: Uh, TJ seems to have a lot to say without actually saying anything useful. I agree with this, but you pretty much could say this about everyone. Except Illwei, mainly. Illwei seems to be trying :P. I'm reading Illwei as village. @|TJ| Quote Don't really have strong reads on any other than Quinn, Jon and slightly on Szeth. Elim side of things - everything about Mat looks super off to me. Archer was a very proactive elim in the Marson and not convinced talking less is an alignment indicative. Mat, particularly the defence of Illwei. Feels like my teammate Mat from QF51 :P. I don't even know what I did in QF51 so you're gonna have to do better than that. Why is the defense suspicious? And why is that sentence about Archer in the middle of that paragraph? I could say the same about you, that you feel the same as QF51 :P. Nothing. Note Illwei. Quote 10 minutes ago, Illwei said: SUs About standard, actually :P. I beg to differ. Conclusion: Nothing much. [OOC: I wanted to iso everyone in the game, but my computer is making concerning noises, so make due with three.]
Illwei Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 Also note that Mat could have visited the Burd Place or whatnot, just not specified a bird, and recieved a random bird.
|TJ| he/him Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 3 hours ago, Illwei said: Bold of you to assume ive taken an action Well, you always like souvenirs from games so I figured you'd grab yourself a couple of birds :P. 37 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: I don't even know what I did in QF51 so you're gonna have to do better than that. Why is the defense suspicious? And why is that sentence about Archer in the middle of that paragraph? Defense it itself is not suspicious but I found it weird that you were willing to go back and forth in her defense, so early in the game. It was like you were defending yourself. QF51 part is basically reading Illwei as village and trying to pocket her and trying to act like you're sheeping her like you did in QF51. That sentence about Archer was me disagreeing with the reasonings for Archer vote and disagreeing that that would be seen as elimy and basically saying that I'm not interested in Archer elimination. Why do you think I feel like QF51!TJ? 3 hours ago, Azmine_king said: Uh, TJ seems to have a lot to say without actually saying anything useful. Can you give an example for this? I'm trying to be a bit light-hearted this game but I feel 'not saying anything useful' is harsh because the Gears-Quinn discussion was spurned by my vote on Gears and no one thought on mentioning Devotary's visit to Aviary.
Illwei Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, |TJ| said: Well, you always like souvenirs from games so I figured you'd grab yourself a couple of birds :P. 58 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: WAIT YES Elims gotta not kill me though so I can keep them ;-; I'm on Tj's side here with not liking Mat defending me so early. It's not normal, and he usually flip flops on me early on until he gives in and decided to trust me. We haven't had a PM and we haven't interacted much in thread.
Experience he/him Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 I'm getting possible mat/tj e/e vibes? I dunno. Feels kinda like they are distancing from each other.
Illwei Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Experience said: I'm getting possible mat/tj e/e vibes? I dunno. Feels kinda like they are distancing from each other. LMAO I was about to say "is it bad that I agree with both of them" so a little bittle mind meld right there with XP I should theoretically do some stuff Who wants to do some stuff with me We can both ISO someone and then compare results I have free time What should I do what should I do
Experience he/him Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Illwei said: LMAO I was about to say "is it bad that I agree with both of them" so a little bittle mind meld right there with XP I should theoretically do some stuff Who wants to do some stuff with me We can both ISO someone and then compare results I have free time What should I do what should I do remind me what iso stands for again
Quivil Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Illwei said: I gotta be honest, still haven't read the rules, still haven't done anything, still don't know what this means :P. Can't really effectively analyze things like the sabotages without understanding what it impacts but I'm still not really- I- sigh Same here. 52 minutes ago, Gears said: The Agent of the Ones Above has been dismissed. Patji is safe from that threat, at least. But alas, we have no information. To aid in the search, I shall examine what has been said, partitioned by person. Illwei: Reveal hidden contents The first day Reveal hidden contents A reasonable opinion. Meaningless Meaningless An explanation of a reasonable opinion. Yet another reasonable opinion. Banter Test not the captain. Banter Apparently, this is the statement that is causing a ruckus. I believe their statement feeds into a connection between Order and Zara. I do note that the rest of the statement seems not to relate to the vote, but that means nothing. Reasonable. Reasonable. Expecting everyone to have a job is like expecting bureaucracy to function properly. We evidently have at least 2, and hopefully more or the ship will fall apart around us. Banter. My thanks for this offering. Commentary upon the original statement. A note: I have found myself agreeing with Illwei. This is deeply unnerving and perhaps deserves some introspection. I stare at this and cannot find anything that incentivises any further questioning. Meaningless A valid elaboration. Conclusion: Nothing thus far. I have seen nothing that has bearing on anything. The second day Reveal hidden contents Illwei has reasonable responses. I am horrified. The opinion on tied votes is one that is noted but tolerable. Illwei, for the sake of my sanity, I request that you stop being reasonable. Noted for implication on the basis of conversation. Stop making statements that are easily agreed with. An eloquent response to actions and a vote that I do not understand. The vote is noted. Meaningless Why must the Wei keep making self-consistent, high-quality arguments? The last statement is one I would be willing to note. Perhaps the Saboteurs have not felt pressured because of a lacklustre effort, even if one of their one was noted. But it's not an inherently suspicious opinion. Conclusion: Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The futility of existence weighs upon me like a millstone. Alas. The third day Reveal hidden contents Again with the odd vote on Shade. Reasonable but noted opinion about yesterday's dismissal. I comprehend but still note the opinion. Nothing of substance. [OOC: I'm working on it. Hush. It takes a while to iso every player in the game.] Nothing. Yet more nothing. Ah. Nothing. Concurrence. Stop it. Nothing. Conclusion: I could go on about the dangers of implication of others, but I have found nothing. Illwei is not noted in the slightest, and this itself is noted. [OOC: Stop posting while I'm trying to iso every player in the game, please and thank you.] Implies a lack of Kukupa Twins. Makes a good point. Quinn Reveal hidden contents The first day Reveal hidden contents Meaningless Meaningless Meaningless Meaningless. Meaningless A good point. Means nothing. Meaningless. Meaningless Meaningless Their reasoning for trust of Shade is noted because Saboteurs by default should adopt a village mindset. All else is fine. Noted. Mostly because instincts are fallible. Shading the other Illwei voters, giving a way out if necessary, noted. Nothing. Taking the way out. Lesser note. Noted. Distinctly. Conclusion: Several minor notes. If Quinn is a Saboteur, I'd examine Shade, Illwei, and Tevris. The second day. Reveal hidden contents Questions. Meaningless. More questions. Incentivises the SecOffs to claim. However, I find this fine because the Saboteurs did not sabotage the message board. Implicates that Fourth's points are invalid. Concurrence. Their distinct incorrectness implies a lack of collusion. However, they are fond of ties. Nothing. Nothing. You didn't have to do that. Logic: Perhaps this is sensible, publicly asking for protection. They wouldn't want protection as a Saboteur since protection is a gilded cage. Paranoia: They claim because they know they are safe from the weapons in the night. I instinctively react negatively to this because I did not force you to claim. However, it has sound points. I hereby give you consent to reveal my role if you so choose. They leave reasoning why they won't be attacked. Logic sees nothing wrong. Paranoia sees establishing a foundation for implication. Nothing. Seemingly good point about Dawn. They seem to forget their suspicion of Zara in exchange for a new one. Nothing. I suppose they had moderately good instincts on that, since they successfully found an active opposition to the Crew. Do it again. They appeared to have knowledge and then sharply backpedaled. Noted. Conclusion: They are noted. Distinctly noted. However, the end result is a confused note rather than a suspected one. The third day Reveal hidden contents Obvious information. A good point. Noted. Intentionally cagey with information. See above. Noted. Then immediately shares once pressed. Conclusion: Noted. Nothing has come from that. Philico Reveal hidden contents The first day Reveal hidden contents Nothing. Valid opinions. Seems like taking an easy way out. Nothing. Nothing. Lack of information implication. Truth. Nothing. Nothing. Considering the degree to which people evaded Zara, I'm tempted to want them dead. Nothing. Concurrence in this specific instance, though noted. Noted because I see no reasoning on that vote. Nothing. Conclusion: Nothing. The second day. Reveal hidden contents Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. If the foundation of Zara suspicion was Order, then this is illogical. If the foundation was Zara's statement, then carry on with a note of disapproval. Nothing I take great offense at this. Nothing. Nothing Good points, means nothing. Good point. I appreciate the sentiment Further appreciation. Nothing. All excellent points that I agree with, but noted for defending someone else. However, I'd be inclined to think the best of Illwei regardless. Nothing much. Conclusion: Noted occasionally. The third day Reveal hidden contents Nothing. Nothing. Good point. Incorrect, which implies no collusion. Reasonable. Nothing. Note Illwei. I beg to differ. Conclusion: Nothing much. [OOC: I wanted to iso everyone in the game, but my computer is making concerning noises, so make due with three.] This is concerning. Quinn. Yous're welcome for all the stuff I didn't give you.
Mat he/him Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 16 minutes ago, |TJ| said: Defense it itself is not suspicious but I found it weird that you were willing to go back and forth in her defense, so early in the game. It was like you were defending yourself. QF51 part is basically reading Illwei as village and trying to pocket her and trying to act like you're sheeping her like you did in QF51. That sentence about Archer was me disagreeing with the reasonings for Archer vote and disagreeing that that would be seen as elimy and basically saying that I'm not interested in Archer elimination. Idk what you mean by 'willing to go back and forth in her defense' :P. Or the part about defending myself. Ha I'm definitely not sheeping her rn. Or trying to pocket :P. I saw a faulty argument and said my thoughts. There wasn't any outside intent. 21 minutes ago, |TJ| said: Why do you think I feel like QF51!TJ Can't put my finger on it, meaning I'm probably imagining things. tbh I don't remember that game too well. 20 minutes ago, Illwei said: I'm on Tj's side here with not liking Mat defending me so early. It's not normal, and he usually flip flops on me early on until he gives in and decided to trust me. We haven't had a PM and we haven't interacted much in thread. What, breaking my meta one time isn't allowed? :P. I said when I made the defense that I didn't necessarily read you village, just that I disagreed with the reasons Szeth reads you as elim. Which is not the same thing. Upon my reread you seemed like you were one of the only ones saying things that I found actively useful (or at least the most so) and the village read came out of that. I don't think I should be sussed for reading someone village :P.
Quintessential she/her Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 17 minutes ago, Tani said: This is concerning. Quinn. Okay what the heck you guys I now I have the most votes. Why are you trying to kill off your Investigator? Gears' ISO didn't even conclude I was elim, just said I was confusing and noted that if I'm elim, there are people to look at.
Quivil Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 Ya. So I wanna make sure you're not Elim. How many investigators were elim in LG74?
Quintessential she/her Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Tani said: Ya. So I wanna make sure you're not Elim. How many investigators were elim in LG74? ...okay yeah y'know what Tani (Sart). This is just insane, because by making sure I'm not elim, you're also making sure I can't do my job. You're throwing out one of the most powerful village roles on the off chance that she's elim, when you have no actual reason to believe she is elim. LG74 had two elim investigators, but that was because the GM specifically wanted to go against the norm. The norm being, when there's an alignment-scanning role, there's a villager with that role. Extrapolating off of LG74 doesn't make sense because it wasn't a typical game. Voting me off in MR50 because the role distribution was such-and-such in LG74 doesn't make sense.
Quintessential she/her Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 Just now, Tani said: Yer right. Quinn. ...is it just me, or was that too easy. Yeah I think I'm just fine with my vote where it is. Current VC: TJ (1): Illwei Illwei (1): Szeth Mat (1): TJ Tani (2): Exp, Quinn Quinn (1): Illwei
Quivil Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Quintessential said: 5 minutes ago, Tani said: Yer right. Quinn. ...is it just me, or was that too easy. Its called the only valid reason I had for voting you was the ISO Gears did on you and how he said if you were elim hed look at me and see if I was elim too. I was scared you were elim. I was scared Gears might misread me elim. (I'm village. There, I've said it right out.)
Quintessential she/her Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, Tani said: Its called the only valid reason I had for voting you was the ISO Gears did on you and how he said if you were elim hed look at me and see if I was elim too. I was scared you were elim. I was scared Gears might misread me elim. (I'm village. There, I've said it right out.) Everyone says they're village; I've indirectly done it like twice in my past two posts xD Seriously, though, I know from experience that exeing someone because they might be e/e with someone else doesn't turn out well unless one or both players are also independently sus and worth voting off.
Quivil Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 Ok. When that I was elim did I directly said I was village? Never. Last time I tried to lie about my role I failed miserably.
Quintessential she/her Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 Just now, Tani said: Ok. When that I was elim did I directly said I was village? Never. Last time I tried to lie about my role I failed miserably. First time for everything
Quivil Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Quintessential said: First time for everything That was several years ago. Edit 1: Why would I change that now? Edit 2: Did you know that in Sheriff of Nottingham one cousin who smuggled all the time lost all the time, while my sibling who was honest in the game won a lot? Edit 3: Fine. Have fun without me. I promise you'll regret killing me. Funny how I didn't die when I asked to be killed, but keep dying when I ask to live. Maybe I should turn that against you later. Edit 4: Dead serious. Edited May 11, 2021 by Tani
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