Mid-Range Game 49: Lode of Luthadel

[Mat he/him]

Just now, Quintessential said:

So... are you going to vote him?

Depends. I thought that was clear :P. I want to see what he has to say and want to reel back my quick voting tendencies. Patience.

[StrikerEZ he/him]

Speaking for myself here, Quinn, but I'm going to wait to hear from @Archer before I make any decisions for my vote this cycle. Like bip said, he could very easily be Vin, and I want to see what he does once he knows what's happened. 

[Biplet she/her]

5 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

And he might be Vin, but of course he'd say that anyway :P.

Definitely forgot this was a thing he could do XD

Alright Archer now's ur time come defend urself I dare u

[Illwei]

2 minutes ago, Quintessential said:

Illwei's response to my theory about her and Archer was kinda... I mean she's explained it and I can see how she could have that response but it also feels off to me still 

Welp nothing I can do to fight it if you won't listen to reason :P.

So you think he's an Elim based on my interactions with him, and then him being protected somehow last night? were you not the one who mentioned this type of reasoning being strange and invalid for killink STINK, and here you are using it. Like Matrim v Illwei in LG73, the normal decision here would be to kill Me, not Archer, and then work off of that.

Regardless, I think some things he said yesterday came off a bit to overeager to try and get village points. Mostly him over-emphasizing wanting people to not talk about Elim strats. Also Archer/Gears potentially feels e/e depending, seeing as he commented saying that Gears sounded like he was signalling, voted gears, then removed it, saying it was for no reason realy. he then ends up on Striker, for no real reason. And Striker/Archer can't be e/e though.

Otherwise Liranil is in my trusts and I'm not sure what to think about Pizza. He's been voting on himself, but he's new, but theoretically voting yourself or someone who isn't going to die is a good way to potentially avoid killing other Elims. But I guess that only applies if something happens to show them switch to defend a mistborn

[Mat he/him]

25 minutes ago, Quintessential said:

Striker might have been targeted by a Lurcher but I can't see... why... that would have happened... so I'm just gonna say he's probably Thug or Mistborn as well.

Forgot to add- based on his first post this cycle I think we can rule out Lurcher entirely, expanding what makes sense to going with what he said. That being that he lost his extra life.

[Quintessential she/her]

6 minutes ago, Illwei said:

So you think he's an Elim based on my interactions with him, and then him being protected somehow last night? were you not the one who mentioned this type of reasoning being strange and invalid for killink STINK, and here you are using it. Like Matrim v Illwei in LG73, the normal decision here would be to kill Me, not Archer, and then work off of that.

Note that I didn't use it yesterday. I now have reason to think he could actually be Mistborn. Him being e-Mistborn fits with his tone in some posts last cycle, and him being e-Mistborn with you fits with your tone in some posts last cycle, but I wasn't gonna act on it until I had reason to think I was on the right track, which I now do. 

Also, you voted STINK for the same reason that you're now criticizing me for. You don't exactly have ground to stand on here.

6 minutes ago, Illwei said:

And Striker/Archer can't be e/e though.

Well, they could both be elim. They'd just have to be on different teams.

6 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Otherwise Liranil is in my trusts

Why?

6 minutes ago, Illwei said:

I'm not sure what to think about Pizza. He's been voting on himself, but he's new, but theoretically voting yourself or someone who isn't going to die is a good way to potentially avoid killing other Elims. But I guess that only applies if something happens to show them switch to defend a mistborn

I'm... pretty sure Pizza just isn't sure what's going on lol

Also why does Pizza deserve this much thought, when you haven't said anything about people who've actually contributed, like Matrim?

1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Forgot to add- based on his first post this cycle I think we can rule out Lurcher entirely, expanding what makes sense to going with what he said. That being that he lost his extra life.

I'd typed that before he posted and forgot to go back and change it : P

[Illwei]

Just now, Quintessential said:

Also, you voted STINK for the same reason that you're now criticizing me for. You don't exactly have ground to stand on here.

lmao, that's my reasoning, not yours. I'm saying that you said the reasoning was invalid, and therefore are a hypocrite in using it. I'm not saying I think the reasoning can't be applied, I'm saying it's a double standard for you to apply it.

1 minute ago, Quintessential said:

Why?

Hey actions last cycle, vibes. not getting specifics from me as I don't have them.

2 minutes ago, Quintessential said:

Well, they could both be elim. They'd just have to be on different teams.

Right, this is something I was going to mention but is irrelevant. I'm not saying that they're definitely not v/e or e/v. I'm saying they're not e/e. they can totally be e/e2 but there's absolutely no connection there if they are, it's about as meaningful as me saying that they could be e/v, which they can. they just can't be e/e.

Talk about purposefully misunderstanding. Quinn, take a step back and please stop trying to find flaws in everything I say. Maybe you're paranoid of me, who knows, but this feels like you trying to find flaws in all my arguments on purpose.

5 minutes ago, Quintessential said:

Also why does Pizza deserve this much thought, when you haven't said anything about people who've actually contributed, like Matrim?

Because you're going to, as someone who usually focuses on the higher posters :P. I'm not going to just completely ignore the less posters

[Ashbringer he/him]

Well... this is interesting.

Archer being Lurched is possible but based on how close they were to getting exed (before I tried to vote them 2 minutes before rollover...) that would be strange. Potentially an Elim!Lurcher (or even Elim!Mistborn protecting them believing them to be a teammate).

Would like to hear if Archer claims an Extra Life or not before I decide much more.

[Mat he/him]

9 minutes ago, Quintessential said:

Why?

I think off of a slight village slip (maybe? I'm not exactly sure how to define 'village slip') from the end of last cycle.

She said she'd be fine with voting anyone except her- elims know their Mistborn and thus aren't fine with exeing them. The timing of the post suggested to me that it wasn't reread and edited for clarity a bunch of times, just one of those jot-and-submit things, so the read makes some sort of sense.

To me. I think.

I guess she also could be a Mistborn herself but with the two survivals I don't really want to dive that deep yet. And technically, like I said, the elim Mistborns are probably voting conservatively.

Ninja'd by Illwei- guess that wasn't it :D. But it's a specific I guess :P.

[Quintessential she/her]

3 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Talk about purposefully misunderstanding. Quinn, take a step back and please stop trying to find flaws in everything I say. Maybe you're paranoid of me, who knows, but this feels like you trying to find flaws in all my arguments on purpose.

Jeez I was just pointing it out : P the statement you made, as you made it, was technically false, so...

3 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Because you're going to, as someone who usually focuses on the higher posters :P. I'm not going to just completely ignore the less posters

...so you pick Pizza? Who's said... basically nothing game-related?

Whatever, that's fine if you want to do that ig but it just doesn't seem useful to me, is all.

[PizzaPower55 he/him]

34 minutes ago, Quintessential said:

I'm... pretty sure Pizza just isn't sure what's going on lol

yeah pretty much

[|TJ| he/him]

Couple of clarifications:

1. Coinshots can only redirect the extra target of a Smoker. They cannot redirect self-Smoking actions.
2. Players who do not take any actions are not told if they are redirected.
3. Since eliminator killer is only determined at the end of the cycle, atium only shows one random player voting to kill the atium user, if they exist, at the time they desire. 

[Liranil she/her]

For the sake of clarity, I'm thinking of using e/i ("i" for imposters) to denote people being on different elim teams. So if we think people are on the same elim team, e/e, but on different, e/i. That's at least what I'll do here.  Below are my thoughts written out for my own clarity.

Confirmed:

Archer/Striker are not e/e: Since elim teams can't vote out one of their own, Archer and Striker aren't on the same elim team. They could still be e/i. Also, because there's no doc and the elims can't vote out their own team, we don't have to worry about WGGs (I think so? Right?). 

Archer/Striker are either Thugs or Mistborn, or were protected by Lurchers: Striker has basically confirmed that they weren't protected by a Lurcher (could be lying, but idk), and it would be unlikely for two Lurchers (or even one) to successfully predict who the elim teams would kill.

Quinn's reasoning on Archer seems sound to me, but I'm not confident about voting him. 

This is the point where, if one of them is Vin, I kinda wonder if they should claim in order to get protection from a Lurcher, since their extra life was just lost. Then again, that just ensures that the elims will keep trying to NK them, and we don't actually know if there are any village Lurchers. Or if there are multiple who will all try to protect them this cycle and then leave them defenseless the next. 

Idk. And I'm not getting anything strong enough to vote on yet, either.

[Illwei]

42 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Ninja'd by Illwei- guess that wasn't it :D. But it's a specific I guess :P.

haha, no that was it :P.

40 minutes ago, Quintessential said:

Whatever, that's fine if you want to do that ig but it just doesn't seem useful to me, is all.

bold of you to assume I'm trying to be useful

[Biplet she/her]

Welcome back to the thunderdome! In the right corner we have reigning champion Illwei, and in the left we have underdog Quinn! I'm Bip and I'll be your host tonight.

[Illwei]

please no ;-;

Edited March 18, 2021 by Illwei
:P.

[Quintessential she/her]

13 minutes ago, Biplet said:

Welcome back to the thunderdome! In the right corner we have reigning champion Illwei, and in the left we have underdog Quinn! I'm Bip and I'll be your host tonight.

Hey why am I the underdog???

[Illwei]

Just now, Quintessential said:

Hey why am I the underdog???

I assume it's because I usually get the more votes, Quinn

But I do end up usually surviving through though :P.

[Mat he/him]

1 hour ago, Illwei said:

But I do end up usually surviving through though :P.

*grumbles* LG73 *grumbles*

[Quintessential she/her]

Just now, Matrim's Dice said:

*grumbles* LG73 *grumbles*

Sorry 

[Biplet she/her]

1 hour ago, Quintessential said:

Hey why am I the underdog???

Died early last game  

[Quintessential she/her]

8 minutes ago, Biplet said:

Died early last game  

Well that wasn't--okay, technically it was Illwei's fault but it wasn't directly related to the thunderdome XD

[StrikerEZ he/him]

Man I disappeared for a few hours and didn’t miss all that much. I’m both somehow disappointed but also glad.

Anyway, still waiting on Archer to say something. I’m not even gonna comment on the Quinn/Illwei stuff because I feel like this happens every game and nothing ever really comes of it.

Anyway, like others have said, Archer and I can’t both be on the same team. So the options are 1) I’m village and he’s one of the two elim teams, 2) I’m on one of the two elim teams and he’s village, 3) I’m one one of the two teams and he’s on the other one, or 4) we’re both village. I was definitely getting odd vibes from him last cycle, so I think we’ve probably got 1) going on right now, but I guess 4) is still an option. 

[Quintessential she/her]

1 minute ago, StrikerEZ said:

Anyway, still waiting on Archer to say something. I’m not even gonna comment on the Quinn/Illwei stuff because I feel like this happens every game and nothing ever really comes of it.

I mean last time it happened Illwei was elim

2 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

Anyway, like others have said, Archer and I can’t both be on the same team. So the options are 1) I’m village and he’s one of the two elim teams, 2) I’m on one of the two elim teams and he’s village, 3) I’m one one of the two teams and he’s on the other one, or 4) we’re both village. I was definitely getting odd vibes from him last cycle, so I think we’ve probably got 1) going on right now, but I guess 4) is still an option. 

Or 3  

[Illwei]

26 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

I’m not even gonna comment on the Quinn/Illwei stuff because I feel like this happens every game and nothing ever really comes of it.

Quinn/Illwei stuff???

Quinn am I missing something because I thought we were good? We're just talking? because not many other people are?