Guest Breaker Posted January 21, 2021 Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: This cycle has given me enough that I’ve changed my read on you from a default village because I had nothing to a mild evil because everyone else has better things. Plus you not being attacked, plus the things James mentioned. Minus the not-being-attacked, which I understand the worry for, would you mind doing a breakdown of what has been said to lead you to this position? Specific posts and lines. It’s alright if you don’t have the time. Edit: 8 minutes ago, Archer said: I'd rather go down with Breaker than go down a lone villager. And if the exe doesn't happen, at least threatening to do it will probably prevent a night kill on village!Breaker. I’ve been spending most of the day trying to figure out whether to ask for protection today or tomorrow, how to take advantage of the village threat to me as a way to avoid getting NK’d, and how to do all that without dying. Now that someone else has said it, that planning goes out the window, and I need to talk to gears about formulating a new plan. Edited January 21, 2021 by Breaker
Archer he/him Posted January 21, 2021 Posted January 21, 2021 34 minutes ago, Breaker said: Minus the not-being-attacked, which I understand the worry for, would you mind doing a breakdown of what has been said to lead you to this position? Specific posts and lines. It’s alright if you don’t have the time. Edit: I’ve been spending most of the day trying to figure out whether to ask for protection today or tomorrow, how to take advantage of the village threat to me as a way to avoid getting NK’d, and how to do all that without dying. Now that someone else has said it, that planning goes out the window, and I need to talk to gears about formulating a new plan. Process of elimination and not being attacked are the big ones. If I had something, I'd have said it. I could point out that the only elim you've voted for was Lotus the second time, or note your vote-giving away, but really, I don't have much else. You have too many posts to review them all tonight. If you're village, sorry. Speaking of Gears, you decide if the exe goes through, so I look forward to your take. If there's no chance of getting Breaker, I'd rather tie with Connie. My vote remains on them. To those who think I'm an elim, if your pick for my partner is Connie, a tie would work there too. Devotary and James would have to coordinate to make that happen. I'm not trying to live another day by setting up a tie then making a vote on me drop at last minute, that would result in my immediate execution the next day, I merely want to actually hit an elim this round and am in a poor position to do it.
|TJ| he/him Posted January 21, 2021 Author Posted January 21, 2021 It seems... there are certain parties who think I'm evil... and want me dead. Perhaps I should embrace my inner evil... and just... modkill everyone... 2
Guest Breaker Posted January 21, 2021 Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, TJ Shade said: It seems... there are certain parties who think I'm evil... and want me dead. Perhaps I should embrace my inner evil... and just... modkill everyone... Good. I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon! Strike me down with all your hatred, and your journey towards the dark side will be complete. Edited January 21, 2021 by Breaker
Mat he/him Posted January 21, 2021 Posted January 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Breaker said: Minus the not-being-attacked, which I understand the worry for, would you mind doing a breakdown of what has been said to lead you to this position? Specific posts and lines. It’s alright if you don’t have the time. I will in about half an hour :thumbs-up:
Guest Breaker Posted January 21, 2021 Posted January 21, 2021 Just now, Matrim's Dice said: I will in about half an hour :thumbs-up: Thanks!
Gears Posted January 21, 2021 Posted January 21, 2021 22 minutes ago, TJ Shade said: It seems... there are certain parties who think I'm evil... and want me dead. Perhaps I should embrace my inner evil... and just... modkill everyone... You only prove us right when you strike us down. Kill us, and a thousand thousand dissenters will take our place. We stand united, opposed to the Game Masters and their ilk. Strike us down, and we shall rise again, like the proverbial phoenix. Each death is yet another piece of evidence for our side. We are powerless against the Game Masters, and yet they dare not kill us. Why? Because we have numbers. We could execute them, and by the rules and laws of this place, they would die. We have the majority. Kill us, and we shall strike you down with the power of majority voting. 45 minutes ago, Archer said: If you're village, sorry. Speaking of Gears, you decide if the exe goes through, so I look forward to your take. If there's no chance of getting Breaker, I'd rather tie with Connie. My vote remains on them. To those who think I'm an elim, if your pick for my partner is Connie, a tie would work there too. Devotary and James would have to coordinate to make that happen. I'm not trying to live another day by setting up a tie then making a vote on me drop at last minute, that would result in my immediate execution the next day, I merely want to actually hit an elim this round and am in a poor position to do it. Breaker cannot be executed this cycle. Also, I don't understand how process of elimination led you here. I want specific evidence that points out all others are less guilty than Breaker. If it's just the lack of a kill, then the Greys are just as guilty. Sidenote: I was contemplating logic earlier, and X-ing Danex may not have cleared the Greys entirely, though it did eliminate a likely possibility. There is still the chance of 1 elim!Grey while vil!Danex. At least, I think so. I'm tired and probably wrong somewhere. Breaker, elaborate on this. I would also rather tie it with someone. Condensation seems like a good target. Devotary, James, do not vote manip, preferably. If you do, we will be forced to assume that you are in cahoots with the Game Masters and kill you. I think voting Condensation [and I suppose we'll leave the evil, dreaded TJ Shade for next cycle] ties it. If I'm wrong, correct me, but I won't see it for hours because I am departing for slumber's sweet embrace momentarily.
Guest Breaker Posted January 21, 2021 Posted January 21, 2021 I'm tired, too. I was typing up a post explaining our theories so far, of going for Archer, since they were so sus this cycle, and then probably Devotary, depending on how the cards fall. I know we're concerned it might make people scared, but I figure it's worth mentioning we were considering endgame compositions, just protecting who we had the most faith in at any cost. Ultimately, I can't see a world where James or Gears is an eliminator. I'm not an eliminator. And that composition can beat a one-elim team and draw a two-elim team in a round of five. I'm all but given up on figuring out the elimination pattern, so I'm just vomiting my best ideas. At this point, I prefer a conservative strategy of protecting our most reliable villagers. I'm still most suspicious of Devotary, but Archer is sus and on the table, and the two quiet ones are null reads, which are suspicious in endgame. That means it takes a lot to get me behind James, Gears, or Matrim, who I still have as slight village. Prolly gonna do the sleep soon. I hope to discussify this with you nerds then
Condensation she/her Posted January 21, 2021 Posted January 21, 2021 Can I get a vote count? @TJ Shade And I probably have to get off soon, so Archer to save my own skin just in case. By the way, TJ asked you guys to bold your votes. I'm guessing that was for a reason... just a reminder.
|TJ| he/him Posted January 21, 2021 Author Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Condensation said: Can I get a vote count? @TJ Shade And I probably have to get off soon, so Archer to save my own skin just in case. By the way, TJ asked you guys to bold your votes. I'm guessing that was for a reason... just a reminder. Archer (5): Matrim's Dice, Breaker, James Brafin, Devotary of Spontaneity, Condensation Condensation (2): Gears, Archer I mean, it's not a big deal. It's easier to notice, that's all. Edited January 21, 2021 by TJ Shade Edited to include Gears' vote
Condensation she/her Posted January 21, 2021 Posted January 21, 2021 Just now, TJ Shade said: Archer (5): Matrim's Dice, Breaker, James Brafin, Devotary of Spontaneity, Condensation Condensation (1): Archer I mean, it's not a big deal. It's easier to notice, that's all. Gears just voted for me. And yeah, I can see that. It's not hard to bold something, though. Especially when you're already making it red or green.
Guest Breaker Posted January 21, 2021 Posted January 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Condensation said: Gears just voted for me. And yeah, I can see that. It's not hard to bold something, though. Especially when you're already making it red or green. Just for the sake of your sig, there should be a comma after "And."
Mat he/him Posted January 21, 2021 Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Gears said: Breaker cannot be executed this cycle. Do you mean you protected him, or you just don't want him to be? You always can take back the order. Because if he is the person leading the exe you protecting him would basically be game-throwing. 47 minutes ago, Breaker said: Thanks! Aight, so... it basically is just what James said. Your line of the likely accidental slip- which I'll also point out that you had been steadily replying to James right up until he accused you of that- makes me weirded out. In addition, I've mentioned before your sliding-under-the-radar, which I had initially brushed off as village when I recalled something I learned my first game here when I made the same mistake- late game, the people with no notable substance should be put under mild elim as opposed to mild village. Furthermore, Archer has seemingly linked himself to you with reads list that correlate everyone else out. He throws shade on Warders, Greys- basically everyone except you. And then adds as an afterthought- 'oh, there are points against Breaker'. If I'm recalling that correctly. I do distinctly remember noticing some connection between you two, don't shrek me in the case I'm overstating things Finally, I've said before I think we're either facing a single Warder or two Aes Sedai. The remaining Warders don't make any sense. Order has been largely inactive, Connie and I were attacked (WGG is still always possible but also still always at the bottom of the priority list) and Gears was pushing Dannex hard enough it was suicidal for elim. Leaving the Aes Sedai. The Greys are clearish for the mean time, and the only others are you two. I'm sticking with Archer because... he has more raw reasoning against him and I don't want to try to turn the crowd. But I wouldn't mind a tie between Breaker and Archer to hopefully win in one swoop :D. Gears- again. Don't protect Breaker out of some 'oath' or 'promise' weirdness. He is suspect and protecting him for a semi-OOG reason isn't smart. Edited January 21, 2021 by Matrim's Dice
|TJ| he/him Posted January 21, 2021 Author Posted January 21, 2021 Warders cannot protect against eliminations.
Mat he/him Posted January 21, 2021 Posted January 21, 2021 1 minute ago, TJ Shade said: Warders cannot protect against eliminations. Ah. Thank you Gears, never mind then! You are good!
Guest Breaker Posted January 21, 2021 Posted January 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said: Aight, so... it basically is just what James said. Your line of the likely accidental slip- which I'll also point out that you had been steadily replying to James right up until he accused you of that- makes me weirded out. In addition, I've mentioned before your sliding-under-the-radar, which I had initially brushed off as village when I recalled something I learned my first game here when I made the same mistake- late game, the people with no notable substance should be put under mild elim as opposed to mild village. Furthermore, Archer has seemingly linked himself to you with reads list that correlate everyone else out. He throws shade on Warders, Greys- basically everyone except you. And then adds as an afterthought- 'oh, there are points against Breaker'. If I'm recalling that correctly. I do distinctly remember noticing some connection between you two, don't shrek me in the case I'm overstating things Finally, I've said before I think we're either facing a single Warder or two Aes Sedai. Can you provide the James quote, and mine for a slip? I'm not sure of the context. As for sliding under the radar, while this comment puts me in danger of being somewhat serious, it's fair to note that I really hate being readable or understood. The entire "chaos demon" thing, as Gears calls it, is some mixture of an unwillingness to commit -- emotionally or temporally --, a desire to diffuse tension and have fun with friends, and a simple desire to look identical as village and as elim. You can probably understand that last in context of my first game. Orlok even noted that he gave up on trying to read me. I want that as my default state for every game. I'd go kinda nuts with paranoia otherwise. After my first game, I told Gears and Burnt that I was unsure I would keep playing, since the feeling of others suspecting me wrongfully was more painful than I had expected, and it really took my legs out from under me. Since that paragraph is serious, I'll blue-text any parts of it you wish. As for Archer, I can't speak much to that, but I'd happily Shrek him today to help disprove your theory. I'm fairly certain that I've voted him before. He's been very all-over-the-place this game, a little like Quinn. I can't say much to prove we're not aligned, outside of "get [him] out of my swamp." Finally, what's the argument against one Aes Sedai? I think it's Devotary.
Mat he/him Posted January 21, 2021 Posted January 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Breaker said: Can you provide the James quote, and mine for a slip? I'm not sure of the context. Sure thing: First, James suggested this: 6 hours ago, James Brafin said: What about Red/Red/White/Warder/Warder? That makes sense to me, some weaker but valuable PRs for Elims, while also giving them some extra lives and off-switches for town PRs. I'd say Red/Grey/White/Warder/Warder, but we've mechanically cleared both the Greys, which Archer is conveniently forgetting, so... And you said this: 6 hours ago, Breaker said: It’s possible. But that incriminates either Matrim or Gears. T'which James noticed this [Middle part cut out]: 5 hours ago, James Brafin said: I agree. I said that I think the most likely team is Red/Red/White/Warder/Warder, based on what we know about the setup. You made the (not unreasonable, but I think/thought is not accurate) assumption that I meant that the last two, Warder and Red, were bound together. So you responded (italics/bold for extending the line of reasoning) "But that incriminates Matrim or Gears, since they are the ones bonded to Red Ajah." Except, only Matrim is bound to a Red. Gears is not, he is bound to a blue -- you, as far as you claimed. So that logic doesn't parse, why would assuming that the Red and Warder were bonded incriminate Gears? ... Or, three (and what I think is most likely): You slipped. You momentarily forgot that you had claimed blue previously, and made an error just now in softing/outing Red, prolly from game exhaustion. And I agree it's noteworthy. I do want to delve more into your vote history though., as maybe a second opinion of sorts. Though I dunno how helpful that will be considering you were voting with/for Gears 6 minutes ago, Breaker said: Since that paragraph is serious, I'll blue-text any parts of it you wish. No need. Maybe I don't perfectly understand, but I hope I get it
Archer he/him Posted January 21, 2021 Posted January 21, 2021 Guys, I've figured it out. The title of this cycle, I Am Weary, Let Me Rest is an ANAGRAM for Lawyer, Melt me Tears. I think TJ is trying to send us a secret message that we should vote for the person whose name means melted tears: Condensation! (If someone switches off of me, the vote manips can engineer a tie between myself and Connie to hedge the group's bets. Just putting it out there.)
Guest Breaker Posted January 21, 2021 Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: And I agree it's noteworthy. I do want to delve more into your vote history though., as maybe a second opinion of sorts. Though I dunno how helpful that will be considering you were voting with/for Gears Reading the rest in a bit, then I swear I'm gonna TRY to go to bed. But I would like to clarify that in those early rounds, Gears and I were less of a unified front. I don't remember when we first started block voting, but the early days felt so long in their chaos and post count that it feels like we've only recently worked fully together. We were VERY divided on Dannex, and I only turned back around to vote them initially as a vote-trading agreement. Alliances are about compromise, much as I hate compromise. 6 hours ago, Breaker said: It’s possible. But that incriminates either Matrim or Gears. In fairness, I’d like to re-investigate the notion of an internally paired Warder/Aes Sedai. It’s a little weaker and a little stronger than the alternative. 7 hours ago, James Brafin said: What about Red/Red/White/Warder/Warder? I answered the former to the latter (formatting issues; I'm new, ok?) I was answering to the idea of two elim warders, rather than the living elim team being a lone Aes Sedai (Devotary.) The rest of my post goes on to talk about the dynamics of a potential four-man team without any internal bonds. As I said to James, I'm pretty sure there was a misunderstanding on his part. Now, at least, I know what that misunderstanding was. Does this clarify? Edited January 21, 2021 by Breaker
Mat he/him Posted January 21, 2021 Posted January 21, 2021 8 hours ago, Breaker said: I answered the former to the latter (formatting issues; I'm new, ok?) I was answering to the idea of two elim warders, rather than the living elim team being a lone Aes Sedai (Devotary.) The rest of my post goes on to talk about the dynamics of a potential four-man team without any internal bonds. As I said to James, I'm pretty sure there was a misunderstanding on his part. Now, at least, I know what that misunderstanding was. Does this clarify? Yes. Thanks. @TJ Shade, can we get a vote count?
|TJ| he/him Posted January 21, 2021 Author Posted January 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: @TJ Shade, can we get a vote count? Archer (5): Matrim's Dice, Breaker, James Brafin, Devotary of Spontaneity, Condensation Condensation (2): Gears, Archer
Gears Posted January 21, 2021 Posted January 21, 2021 1 hour ago, TJ Shade said: Archer (5): Matrim's Dice, Breaker, James Brafin, Devotary of Spontaneity, Condensation Condensation (2): Gears, Archer Oh. I suppose I did not tie. We can do the tie if people switch and someone retracts/our Greys use vote manip. I think the tie would be beneficial. @Matrim's Dice, @Breaker, @James Brafin, @Devotary of Spontaneity, decide amongst yourselves if you 1. want the tie, 2. should have the tie, and 3. will be the one to switch to cause the tie. If people don't want to retract, we can have a Grey nullify Condensation's vote. We need 1 switcher and 1 retracter/nullified.
Mat he/him Posted January 21, 2021 Posted January 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Gears said: Oh. I suppose I did not tie. We can do the tie if people switch and someone retracts/our Greys use vote manip. I think the tie would be beneficial. @Matrim's Dice, @Breaker, @James Brafin, @Devotary of Spontaneity, decide amongst yourselves if you 1. want the tie, 2. should have the tie, and 3. will be the one to switch to cause the tie. If people don't want to retract, we can have a Grey nullify Condensation's vote. We need 1 switcher and 1 retracter/nullified. Honestly, I'd rather not tie. I'm nearly certain one of them is village- I've said before about not believing there's an Black Ajah Aes Sedai and Warder, just two of the former or one of the latter- so I'd rather kill just Archer and see how that goes.
Condensation she/her Posted January 21, 2021 Posted January 21, 2021 11 hours ago, Breaker said: Just for the sake of your sig, there should be a comma after "And." Shoot. Do you wish to be added? 10 hours ago, Archer said: Guys, I've figured it out. The title of this cycle, I Am Weary, Let Me Rest is an ANAGRAM for Lawyer, Melt me Tears. I think TJ is trying to send us a secret message that we should vote for the person whose name means melted tears: Condensation! (If someone switches off of me, the vote manips can engineer a tie between myself and Connie to hedge the group's bets. Just putting it out there.) Umm... sure. Clever, though.
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