Ashbringer Posted December 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) Izzy-daughter-Ammi needed a breath of fresh air. The building that housed their group and the precious Honorblades, while majestic, had a trapping feeling. Maybe it was all the dark corridors that people invariably got stabbed in. The combination of wooden structures and no Stormlight lamps meant nights were dark. On some days, it felt better that way. Izzy could look outside and see the sky scattered with stars. This wasn't really one of those days. She wasn't supposed to go outside, especially at night like this. Not with what she carried. Which is why she was on the rooftop instead of in But... watching the grass, bending yet resolute... was rather soothing. She listened for a gust of wind to make the grass blow. Instead Izzy heard the sounds of footsteps behind her. She stretched out her hand, but it was too late - the knife flashed, and the Honorblade she'd been about to summon clattered to the rooftop. Her dying eyes saw a single blade quiver in the field below. A blade quivered below. One quivered by her side. One quivered in her heart. It was almost poetry. The ominous kind. * * * Alvron has been killed! They were a member of the Shin High Council and the Bearer of Shalash's Honorblade! Shalash's Honorblade is available to be claimed by Alvron's killer! If it remains unclaimed, it will be redistributed at the end of the turn. * * * PMS ARE NOW CLOSED, and will remain closed until they are reopened. Please stop PMing or creating new PMs. (When PMs open again you can resume your old PMs, you don't have to start new ones. In fact, please don't do that... The Day Turn will end at 5:00 PM PST on December 21st, in about 48 hours. Get your actions in! Other Note: Ookla Season ends... today? tomorrow? So if you change your name back, please make a post in-thread saying so. It helps with @ functions and writing names and things. Honorblade List: Spoiler Jezrien's Honorblade: Adhesion and Gravitation Chanarach’s Honorblade: Division and Abrasion Vedel’s Honorblade: Abrasion and Progression Pailiah’s Honorblade: Progression and Illumination Shalash’s Honorblade: Currently Unclaimed Illumination and Transformation Battar’s Honorblade: Removed by Battar Transformation and Transportation Kalak’s Honorblade: Transportation and Cohesion Ishar’s Honorblade: Tension and Adhesion Nightblood: Unblockable Roleblock + Kill (4 Stormlight) Unblockable Roleblock + Kill (0 Stormlight, unblockably kills user (single use)) Player List: Spoiler @Gears - Roko Ooklil' the Wei (Illwei) - Shin High Council Quinn0928 - Lin-daughter-Lanari / Rinala Rades - Shin High Council and Bearer of Kalak's Honorblade Ookla's Dice (Matrim's Dice) - Daziron-son-Odium - Battar and Bearer of Battar's Honorblade Ookla the Disproportionate (Danex) - Truthless and Bearer of Kalak's Honorblade @Somebody from Sel - @Araris Valerian - Hadrian-son-Penrod TJ Shade - Galatar - Shin High Council and Bearer of Battar's Honorblade Ookla the Larkin (Ventyl) - The Larkin - Szeth, Bearer of Nightblood and Bearer of Paliah's Honorblade Ookla the Shadowed (Experience) - Shadow - Shin High Council and Bearer of Paliah's Honorblade Ookla the Hypodecadal (Devotary of Spontaneity) - Ganeth-null-Shantis-Mawelar - Vyre and Bearer of Jezrien's Honorblade Flyingbooks42 - Tsezn - Szeth's Cohort @Lotus - Sunwalker @Condensation - Viola-daughter-Condensation @Ookla who goes DORIYAH!! (Vasher212) - Gunandwaf-son-Warbreaker @Mist - @Vapor @Whysper @STINK Ookla the Sprinkle (JesterLavorre) - Jes-son-Laal - Shin High Council Alvron - Izzy-daughter-Ammi / Izzy Dedyet - Shin High Council and Bearer of Shalash's Honorblade @Eternum - @Furamirionind - Edited December 21, 2020 by Ookla Fell From The Sky Alv's alignment was a different color... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mist Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 Oh sorry, I changed my name back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Araris Valerian Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 I have also changed my name back. @Gears @Somebody from Sel @Lotus @Ookla the Grammatical @Ookla who goes DORIYAH!! @Mist @Vapor @Whysper @STINK @Eternum Everyone listed here has been kinda quiet (at least in the thread). I know last cycle was pretty boring, but please try to contribute as much as you can moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condensation Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 58 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: I have also changed my name back. @Gears @Somebody from Sel @Lotus @Ookla the Grammatical @Ookla who goes DORIYAH!! @Mist @Vapor @Whysper @STINK @Eternum Everyone listed here has been kinda quiet (at least in the thread). I know last cycle was pretty boring, but please try to contribute as much as you can moving forward. What? Are you calling me quiet in the thread? Never heard that one before. I couldn't get on much yesterday or today, but I was still more talkative than probably half of the people. And I've changed my name back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furamirionind Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 Alright Alv... I'm sorry to see you go... It's nice to see convinced my reads are wrong...my paranoia about you was unfounded... Even when I'm confident my reads of you are correct, I just always am convinced I very much could be wrong. So welcome everyone to D1 again, we have a bit more info than before, but due to Ventyl being minimally active and Books doing a superb job not giving us info on players despite being active and providing real content, we don't have as much as I'd like. I would like to stab-voteᵀᴹ STINK. @STINK This is because I have no read on him, and have no idea how to get a read on him. I may or may not change my vote if I find someone more suspicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lotus Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 Awww Alv.... i loved reading your posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He who goes DORIYAH!! Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 Alright I changed my name, also I'm sorry for not being active, I had to babysit my siblings. Vote-wise, I need to start getting reads (eventually) so...MIST I'm fine with being wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lotus Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 Looks like we’re voting early!!!! Somebody from Sel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Somebody from Scadrial Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 26 minutes ago, Lotus said: Looks like we’re voting early!!!! Somebody from Sel Really? I've been having problems with my phone and haven't been very active. I missed a entire cycle, I probably should have been warned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Araris Valerian Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 I'll throw a vote on Whysper for now. I'll see if I can glean anything from interactions with Books tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lotus Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 9 hours ago, Somebody from Sel said: Really? I've been having problems with my phone and haven't been very active. I missed a entire cycle, I probably should have been warned. It’s just a poke vote for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mist Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 Gears - slight sus: rather inactive Somebody - sus Araris - village Lotus - slight vill her vote switch helped tip the scales. Also participating Connie - slight trust. Possibly defensive at being called less active Doriyah - sus. Do you not already have reads? I'd love to hear them... Mist - Tria Night, if you wish for a name, Ash. Vapor - null come talksies Come! I wouldn't be surprised if elims were lurking. Whysper - null come talksies STINK - null also I love the background on your profile Eternum - kinda sus asked Shaman to contact them also dost thou exist Fura - village for strongly pushing Ventyl's removal, activity Let's provide reasons for votes, please. 18 hours ago, Somebody from Sel said: Really? I've been having problems with my phone and haven't been very active. I missed a entire cycle, I probably should have been warned. Also, we didn't know that, and often elims can avoid the vote by lurking. This seems a bit defensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vapor Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 Poke on Eternum, I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mist Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Vapor said: Poke on Eternum, I guess? Anything you've noticed as you've read the thread? Any reads? *stabby stabby vote* Once I'm satisfied I'll go push/stab sometime else. (Poke votes aren't hard) (hey wait I'm poke voting.) (I did reads too, though) (I know it's tricky for pinch hitters) (if you have to mostly ignore past cycles it's better than not posting at all) (I recognize I'm not voting on the people I read as sus currently, but some of them have actually showed up, and I think we need more activity [sorry] or else the thread may just die.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vapor Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mist said: Anything you've noticed as you've read the thread? Any reads? *stabby stabby vote* Once I'm satisfied I'll go push/stab sometime else. (Poke votes aren't hard) (hey wait I'm poke voting.) (I did reads too, though) (I know it's tricky for pinch hitters) (if you have to mostly ignore past cycles it's better than not posting at all) (I recognize I'm not voting on the people I read as sus currently, but some of them have actually showed up, and I think we need more activity [sorry] or else the thread may just die.) I actually didn’t have time to finish the thread. I haven’t been on the computer much lately. I’m only about halfway through. Not many reads, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashbringer Posted December 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 Just a note: Rollover is in 24 hours, not in 8 minutes... put the wrong date in the writeup -.- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furamirionind Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 With books flipping evil, I think that pushes both SfS and Lotus to village as they were both targets of Books. SfS less so, Books cast suspicion on him early, but never pushed him, and when he voted SfS, quickly retracted his vote when he got pushback from SfS. I think this indicated SfS as village, but honestly I can't make assumptions like that after seeing books play. That being said, I'm still going to lean that way. Village: Araris - After rereading interaction with Ventyl, there's no way I can reasonably see them being e/e. Ventyl's reaction to Araris' vote just seemed too spontaneous to me. Condensation - Books/Connie could be e/e... so not as confirmed as Araris, but I'm trying not to tin foil this game. Lol Slight Village: Lotus: Was a village read, but had to bring down to a slight village due to this post, which is a joke, but reads to me like Lotus already knows Ventyl is an elim and voting me. Lotus is still a village read for me though due to the sheer amount of posts they have been at odds with Ventyl. Ookla who goes DORIYAH!! (Vasher212): Just a gut read. Also new. Neutral: Eturnum Mist, Whysper, Vapor - Current guess is 1/3 of these is an elim, but no idea Slight Elim: STINK - SfS/Stink not e/e Somebody from Sel - Was slight village due to being targeted by Books, but so was Ventyl and I thought Ventyl/Books was e/v for a while. SfS defended himself to several people but not to Books. Lastly seemed to overreact when being voted on this cycle. As someone who's most recent game was an incredibly frustrating elim game, I see this as a possible reaction like that. Was semi-active, comes back and the most powerful role as well as another elim have been lynched and it feels game over. If this is the case, I can sympathize, but it does seem like that to me. Elim: Gears - super sus. Idk why. If SfS flips evil, he defended gears early on when he was looking to possibly get lynched D1. Who's my vote on right now? Oh STINK Somebody from Sel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Araris Valerian Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 I agree with Fura on Connie. This post by Books is the reason, aside from the D4 Ventyl lynch: Quote The people who posted a lot who I have fairly solid reads on but don't want to reread all of the posts of: Connie: It feels like people are tunneling too much on her. This all started with a "be more careful" which got blown out of proportion. She's explained why she's more calm than usual, why she started the D1 lynch discussion, etc. to a degree when but many people are still on her. I don't think an elim would defend a teammate so strongly on D1 (this is one of Books's most solid reads). There's also the last minute vote on Ventyl during D2, which is very village if we have accounted for the vote manip not coming from the elims. Gears was briefly a lynch option on D1, but that never really picked up, mostly because a lot of what he said was normal Gears stuff. He was fine with either a Connie or a Danex lynch, which could be an elim mindset. These posts from STINK (referring to Matrim) make me think he's village: Quote Kinda jealous you got a unique role Quote This is the worse alternative, just tell us what happens when u win holding honourblades Aside from being surprisingly accurate, I don't think an elim would express concern over a neutral like this. They'd just keep the information to themselves. This also doesn't really fit with the elims trying to kill Matrim on N3. So far the biggest thing about SfS is this vote on me: Quote Araris is my biggest suspicion at the moment (that already has a vote) Quote Gut read, not much though. Araris, I just get a Elim vibe from you. I would prefer a TJ lynch, but they don't have any votes. I feel that an elim might be less willing to vote on me (with no reason) due to my reputation, and the explanation here seems fairly honest. It's really not much to go off of, but I have a slight village read on SfS here. Lotus was voted on by Books during D3: Quote I'm going to vote on Lotus even though it probably won't make a difference this cycle. I've been reading Lotus as suspicious for a while because they've been consistently vague and haven't really added anything or shared any insights or analysis. This was pretty close to the end of the cycle, so there wasn't really any chance of Lotus getting lynched. Not sure if this was distancing or not, but it makes me lean village on Lotus. In D4 there were 3 votes on Fura in quick succession: Mist, Ventyl, and Lotus. This makes me less suspicious of Mist and Lotus, since elims probably wouldn't want to vote in a block like that. I'd also like to make note of the elim kills: N1: Matrim N2: Illwei N3: Matrim N4: Devotary N5: Alvron In particular, I doubt STINK would be on a team that would kill Matrim if they thought he was Neutral. Eternum knew Devotary had a kill, so I'd say that he has a higher chance of being an elim as a result. Alvron seems like a pretty straightforward kill, while Illwei seems a little less clear. And that's pretty much everything, which puts my village reads as the following, from strongest to weakest: Fura Connie STINK Lotus SfS Mist Elim reads are (albeit rather weak): Eternum Gears (way less confident than Eternum) I'm also happy with lynching Vapor, Whysper, or Vasher, but the Devotary role thing with Eternum is the most concrete thing I have right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternum Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 I also knew Mat was neutral from N1, even before I made contact with Devotary, so I wouldn't have attacked him at all. Especially not a second time. Mat trusted me because I used Tension on him N1, to confirm I had Ishar's Blade. It was subsequently taken from me, but Mat should have confirmed this to at least someone else, and I believe I made this same claim while he was still alive. Were I elim, there would logically be consequences to that, either from Ishar's Bearer or the Shaman contacting someone they trust to tell them I'm lying, or Mat outing me immediately. Neither of these have happened, and add onto this the fact that the elims attacked Mat twice.. I don't see how these circumstances can lead to elim!me. I knew Devotary had a kill ever since she killed TJ, and I didn't influence her on whom she should kill after that. If I were elim, and intended to kill her, I would have done so immediately after finding out who she was. It's possible that the elims were holding the identity of the other neutral over Devotary and saying if she helped them they'd let her win, and after Mat managed to win they killed her just so she wouldn't out them, but something about that scenario doesn't sit right with me. Either way, I think killing Devotary was rather boring of them. I don't have much else to add, honestly, partly because I've been fairly busy lately. I'm willing to vote SfS over Lotus, and I'm fairly certain there's an elim between Whysper, Vapor and Mist. I trust Connie and Fura. Araris as well, though maybe a little less, but that's mostly because I haven't talked to him as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STINK Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 10 hours ago, Araris Valerian said: Aside from being surprisingly accurate, I don't think an elim would express concern over a neutral like this. Yeah I was really spot on there huh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Whysper Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Araris Valerian said: There's also the last minute vote on Ventyl during D2, which is very village if we have accounted for the vote manip not coming from the elims. Was the vote manipulation claimed by anyone? 4 hours ago, Eternum said: Mat trusted me because I used Tension on him N1, to confirm I had Ishar's Blade. It was subsequently taken from me, but Mat should have confirmed this to at least someone else, and I believe I made this same claim while he was still alive. Were I elim, there would logically be consequences to that, either from Ishar's Bearer or the Shaman contacting someone they trust to tell them I'm lying, or Mat outing me immediately. Neither of these have happened, and add onto this the fact that the elims attacked Mat twice.. I don't see how these circumstances can lead to elim!me. When was Ishar's Blade taken from you? BTW, what are the ways a blade can be taken? Just the Stone Shaman reclaim, or is there a way for a player to steal a blade? I didn't see anything about this in the Surges. Edited December 21, 2020 by Whysper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternum Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Whysper said: Was the vote manipulation claimed by anyone? When was Ishar's Blade taken from you? BTW, what are the ways a blade can be taken? Just the Stone Shaman reclaim, or is there a way for a player to steal a blade? I didn't see anything about this in the Surges. Devotary claimed to me that cycle, and I believe to Fura later on, that she manipulated that vote. Night 1. Stone Shaman reclaim, as far as I'm aware. Reclaim happens after Surge actions, for the record. Edited December 21, 2020 by Eternum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Whysper Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Eternum said: Devotary claimed to me that cycle, and I believe to Fura later on, that she manipulated that vote. Ahhh, Devotary was one of those secret roles, correct? With the Jezrien's Blade. BTW, is there info on those secret roles? I just saw the death message declaring them as the secret role. But I wasn't sure if anything indicated whether that role was village-aligned or elim-aligned or some other win-con. On D2, I saw that there was also vote manipulation to remove a vote off Quinn. So that must have been with Ishar's Blade. Quote Kings_Way - Neutral Has added very little original content. The only original thing is: Which ended up being incorect... However he he is casting suspicion on Connie. If Connie is a villager, this looks suspicious being the only content he has given. If Connie is an elim... He's probably not an elim. He's also one of the few people in this game actively thinking about secrets despite being minimally active. This makes him a prime target for possibly being a secret himself. I'm going to put my vote on Vapor. The previous player Kings_Way has some suspicious sounding posts, and Vapor hasn't done much to improve that. Like in the above quote, Fura pointed out how Kings_Way hadn't been doing much yet took the time to cast suspicion on Connie. Quote On 12/9/2020 at 0:35 AM, Flyingbooks42 said: As I said last cycle, the Shaman shouldn't pass all of the Honorblades which they retrieve to one specific person, especially if that person is publically known, since the elims could simply kill them to get an easy motherlode of Honorblades. This post slightly increases my suspicions of you because it seems very elim-y overall, since you ask for the Shaman to claim to you and give you blades now that you're trusted, which would both be very helpful to the elims. Yeah, don't give the blades to one person. Even if somehow you are 100% sure they are Vil (which I don't know how that would happen, because the Shaman can't use the Honorblades, but maybe secrets) if they die, you've lost the control you have. There was also this reply to a comment Books made about the Shaman and the Honorblades. Books was doing this to appear Village, and it feels like Kings_Way was also just adding onto this comment to appear Village as well. Later, when Vapor replaced in, they did hop onto the Books wagon, but that was already a certain lynch, so again, probably for Village credit. Edited December 21, 2020 by Whysper Added vote for Vapor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Araris Valerian Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 8 hours ago, Eternum said: Mat trusted me because I used Tension on him N1, to confirm I had Ishar's Blade. It was subsequently taken from me, but Mat should have confirmed this to at least someone else, and I believe I made this same claim while he was still alive. Were I elim, there would logically be consequences to that, either from Ishar's Bearer or the Shaman contacting someone they trust to tell them I'm lying, or Mat outing me immediately. Neither of these have happened, and add onto this the fact that the elims attacked Mat twice.. I don't see how these circumstances can lead to elim!me. This just requires you being honest about actually starting with Ishar, right? And that is compatible with you being an elim. While Tension is a strong ability for the elims, the fact you immediately lost the blade means it can’t have been too overpowered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashbringer Posted December 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 I'm Ashbringer again, by the way. Vote Count: Vapor (2): Mist, Whysper Eternum (2): Vapor, Araris Valerian Somebody from Sel (2): Lotus, Furamirionind Mist (1): He who goes DORIYAH!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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