Long Game 72: The Secret of Shinovar

[Gears]

Incomprehension, though I suppose my out of character inactivity is enough. I apologise for my absence. It seems that procrastination runs to the marrow. I accept my fate, and I'm genuinely surprised I've made it this far without paying attention at all. I ask for reasoning first.

Fura's reasoning for my elim-ness was, and I quote, "idk why". Araris's reasoning was my ambivalence between a Condensation or Danex lynch. I have never particularly cared to engage in the D1 lynch, prefering to analyse the aftermath like a haruspex analysing entrails, so I don't think this point has much weight. STINK just voted on me from the beginning and appears to be playing as they usually do. 

I suppose I will vote for Somebody from Sel because I really haven't been keeping up or remembering anything, Fura's reasoning seems vaguely sound, and Araris may switch in the best of all possible worlds.

[Future Gears here, the following bits are me rambling on about nothing and not making sense. Just ignore it. It's a collection of half-scattered thoughts from a strange mind.]

Are we genuinely out of leads already? We are just a few mislynches [mis-executions? What term shall we use?] from LyLo [ExLo?], and I don't think this weak reasoning will allow us to find an elim in the next few cycles. When I die, what then? Where will you look? 

Interestingly enough, Fura expressed a not team Eternum-Alvron link [e/v or v/e], and when Alvron flipped village, the Eternum suspicion just... disappeared. I currently trust Eternum because of reveals last cycle, but Alvron's death was before that. 

[+Lotus she/her]

28 minutes ago, Condensation said:

Do you have reasoning?

Ermm, not really

[Condensation she/her]

Just now, Lotus said:

Ermm, not really

Okay. So take it with a grain of salt!

[Araris Valerian he/him]

57 minutes ago, Gears said:

Interestingly enough, Fura expressed a not team Eternum-Alvron link [e/v or v/e], and when Alvron flipped village, the Eternum suspicion just... disappeared. I currently trust Eternum because of reveals last cycle, but Alvron's death was before that. 

I was suspicious of Eternum, but I think the circumstances around the kill on Matrim makes him and STINK both look fairly village.

53 minutes ago, Lotus said:

Ermm, not really

Honestly, I find this rather suspicious, but it could just be a mindset sort of thing. Anyone I don't have concrete stuff to generate a read of at this point on the game automatically goes in the elim category, because they haven't  been making an obvious effort to help the village. The only reason to defend such a person is if they are a teammate.

[Eternum he/him]

16 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

Perhaps. I’m surprised that the elims didn’t kill Whysper, who is more confirmed village than anyone else.

Yeah, likewise.. I was worried about that. Well, no matter.

14 hours ago, Gears said:

Interestingly enough, Fura expressed a not team Eternum-Alvron link [e/v or v/e], and when Alvron flipped village, the Eternum suspicion just... disappeared. I currently trust Eternum because of reveals last cycle, but Alvron's death was before that. 

I don't really remember why there was a correlation between me and Alv, but I do recall that Jester's flip factored into it and made Fura less certain about everything. Plus, the suspicion didn't really disappear.

I was fairly certain Alv was village, and this only strengthens my belief that all Honorblades started in village hands and Ash refusing to answer the question was just a red herring

Anyway, some reads, with more reasoning to come later.

Gears - Null, and I dislike that I don't have much of a read on him so late in the game, which does make me lean elim.

SfS - My grievances with SfS are mostly the same as with Lotus, but they've just been contributing little, with not much express reasoning behind their actions. Leaning elim

Araris - Village. In hindsight, I don't see how any of his actions would add up to him being elim.

Lotus - Little less suspicious of them than SfS, for reasons I've stated, but still. Null-/Light elim.

Condensation - Village, after the past few cycles.

Vasher - Null? Has been flying under the radar, I don't really know why people trust them. I had a village gut read, but in hindsight there was literally no reason for it.

Mist - I was fairly certain one of the pinch hitters is elim. Vapor was Village, Whysper is village.. that leaves Mist, and, imo, one of Gears, SfS or Lotus. But maybe there isn't much of a basis for this assumption. Though.. Kaladin could have been inactive. Judging by the fact that Mat took my Blade D1 (And I am mad about that, mind you! :P), it's possible that the only vote manip to have happened during the first time Ventyl was about to be lynched were Devotary and Mat/Ishar.. Hm. Well, we'll see.

Whysper - Village.

Stink - Village.

I suppose I don't mind lynching Gears, but I'd rather people come out with some more suspicions and we have more options to choose from. Chanarach, it might be worth going off. Honestly, it'd be boring if you didn't, this late in the game

Edited December 23, 2020 by Eternum

[Condensation she/her]

Gah! Keep the thread alive! With PMs down, this is our best method of communication.

[STINK he/him]

Yeah what they said

[Condensation she/her]

So, Stink, got any suspicions?

[Araris Valerian he/him]

7 hours ago, Eternum said:

Chanarach, it might be worth going off. Honestly, it'd be boring if you didn't, this late in the game

I think (assuming the elims don't get a Nightblood kill in) that Chanarach can only really help us at this point. Right now the game stands to end after 2 mislynches and 2 night kills. A missed Chanarach kill would cause it to end with a second mislynch, which doesn't get rid of any village power. Of course, Vedel/Paliah could save someone as well, which would mess that up, and cause Chanarach to be unhelpful.

[Ashbringer he/him]

Okay, a few notes.

One, Channelknight Fadran has decided they are currently unavailable for pinch hitting, so as of now there are no more pinch hitters. So from this moment on, anyone who goes inactive for 2 full cycles will die, without being replaced. If anyone reaches out to be a pinch hitter, that may change, but I find that unlikely and I'm not going to go hunting for people.

Two, I'm delaying rollover tomorrow until 9:00 PM PST, December 24th. I have some family things to do, and that's essentially the earliest I can get on to post the new thread anyway. I'd rather give a few extra hours for votes than have a limbo for four.

Lastly, if people would like a similar extension for the next night turn - either to 9:00 PM PST the 25th or a full extension until 5:00 PM PST the 26th, please say so in thread. I'm available to have rollover the normal time but seeing as the current schedule has the full turn over Christmas Day, I don't know how many people would be similarly available.

[Condensation she/her]

53 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

Two, I'm delaying rollover tomorrow until 9:00 PM PST, December 24th. I have some family things to do, and that's essentially the earliest I can get on to post the new thread anyway. I'd rather give a few extra hours for votes than have a limbo for four.

Lastly, if people would like a similar extension for the next night turn - either to 9:00 PM PST the 25th or a full extension until 5:00 PM PST the 26th, please say so in thread. I'm available to have rollover the normal time but seeing as the current schedule has the full turn over Christmas Day, I don't know how many people would be similarly available.

What time is that for me?

Please don't delay it to the 26.

Side note: I won't be on much or at all from the 26th to the 1st. Is there a way I can avoid being killed/kicked out?

[Eternum he/him]

10 hours ago, Condensation said:

What time is that for me?

Please don't delay it to the 26.

Side note: I won't be on much or at all from the 26th to the 1st. Is there a way I can avoid being killed/kicked out?

4 hours after normal rollover time.

Agreed, I'd rather the Night be extended by 4 hours as well.

Honestly, I.. don't know. No more pinch hitters, sadly. You might want to try to post once or twice a cycle, just to stay alive. Beyond that, I don't know.

I'll join the vote on Gears and hope for the best, then, just in case. It's worth assuming the elims have two vote manips now.

[+Whysper she/her]

1 hour ago, Eternum said:

I'll join the vote on Gears and hope for the best, then, just in case. It's worth assuming the elims have two vote manips now.

Actually on the vote manipulation, Ishar's Honorblade is up for grabs, so it can't be used yet to cancel a vote. The other blade with Adhesion is Jezrien's Honorblade, and that's with someone considered Village. As for Cohesion for adding a vote, I think only Kalak's Honorblade has that. It's with someone who I've seen mostly considered Village, though there has been some suspicion of them.

I'll sheep the vote on Gears since that seems to be the Village consensus.

EDIT: Added info on Doriyah/Vasher below and switched vote...

On 12/23/2020 at 11:55 AM, Araris Valerian said:

Gears
SfS
Doriyah
Mist
Lotus

23 hours ago, Eternum said:

Vasher - Null? Has been flying under the radar, I don't really know why people trust them. I had a village gut read, but in hindsight there was literally no reason for it.

I agree that Doriyah/Vasher is towards the top of the PoE, so I think I should go ahead and reveal that they have had a blade since the beginning. It's either Chanarach's Honorblade or Vedel's Honorblade. Someone who is probably Village has had the other blade of these since the beginning as well. Both blades have Abrasion for opening PMs. Chanarach's Honorblade has Division for killing a player, so an Elim would obviously use that instead of Abrasion. Vedel's Honorblade has Progression for saving a player, so again an Elim would likely use that for protecting their own instead of opening PMs.

N2 had 2 night kills, though the 2nd could have been from Nightblood at that time yet (or would Szeth have had enough Stormlight then?). Though N4 had 2 night kills also, and Nightblood was in my hands at that time.

Okay, this was suppose to be a quick edit just to reveal some info, but now that I've actually examined those night kills, I've convinced myself that Doriyah/Vasher probably has Chanarach's Honorblade and has been doing the extra night kills.

Gears

Doriyah/Vasher

BTW, if those extra night kills were done instead by a Villager with Chanarach's Honorblade, then we may need you to let us know so we don't go through with executing Doriyah/Vasher possibly incorrectly based on blades.

Edited December 24, 2020 by Whysper
Info on Doriyah/Vasher

[Eternum he/him]

48 minutes ago, Whysper said:

Actually on the vote manipulation, Ishar's Honorblade is up for grabs, so it can't be used yet to cancel a vote. The other blade with Adhesion is Jezrien's Honorblade, and that's with someone considered Village. As for Cohesion for adding a vote, I think only Kalak's Honorblade has that. It's with someone who I've seen mostly considered Village, though there has been some suspicion of them.

I'll sheep the vote on Gears since that seems to be the Village consensus.

EDIT: Added info on Doriyah/Vasher below and switched vote...

I agree that Doriyah/Vasher is towards the top of the PoE, so I think I should go ahead and reveal that they have had a blade since the beginning. It's either Chanarach's Honorblade or Vedel's Honorblade. Someone who is probably Village has had the other blade of these since the beginning as well. Both blades have Abrasion for opening PMs. Chanarach's Honorblade has Division for killing a player, so an Elim would obviously use that instead of Abrasion. Vedel's Honorblade has Progression for saving a player, so again an Elim would likely use that for protecting their own instead of opening PMs.

N2 had 2 night kills, though the 2nd could have been from Nightblood at that time yet (or would Szeth have had enough Stormlight then?). Though N4 had 2 night kills also, and Nightblood was in my hands at that time.

Okay, this was suppose to be a quick edit just to reveal some info, but now that I've actually examined those night kills, I've convinced myself that Doriyah/Vasher probably has Chanarach's Honorblade and has been doing the extra night kills.

Gears

Doriyah/Vasher

BTW, if those extra night kills were done instead by a Villager with Chanarach's Honorblade, then we may need you to let us know so we don't go through with executing Doriyah/Vasher possibly incorrectly based on blades.

I was talking about Jezrien's Blade along with Kaladin's Adhesion, though that confirmation changes things.

Vasher most likely has Vedel, in that case, though I'd like them to come to the thread and confirm that. The kills on N2 and N4 were Devotary's/Vyre's ability to kill on even cycles, according to what she told me, so Chanarach has not made any kills yet, to my knowledge.

That probably means Vasher is village, which helps.

Edited December 24, 2020 by Eternum

[+Whysper she/her]

13 minutes ago, Eternum said:

I was talking about Jezrien's Blade along with Kaladin's Adhesion, though that confirmation changes things.

Ahh yes, I just thought about checking Kaladin's abilities for any killing ability and saw he has Adhesion, too.

13 minutes ago, Eternum said:

Vasher most likely has Vedel, in that case, though I'd like them to come to the thread and confirm that. The kills on N2 and N4 were Devotary's/Vyre's ability to kill on even cycles, according to what she told me, so Chanarach has not made any kills yet, to my knowledge.

That probably means Vasher is village, which helps.

Oh, thanks for bringing this up about the Vyre ability. Hmmm, Vasher could still have Chanarach but didn't use the kill ability. The only other person that could have Chanarach is consensus Villager. So Chanarach probably is in Villager hands and has only been used for PMs instead of killing.

I'll switch my vote back to Gears then.

EDIT: Actually it would better confirm Vasher if they do have Chanarach yet didn't use the kill ability. If they just have Vedel, that doesn't really help to confirm them as Villager. So Vasher should probably say which of the blades they have. If they lie, the person with the actual blade can CC.

Edited December 24, 2020 by Whysper

[Eternum he/him]

@He who goes DORIYAH!!, anything to add?

[Condensation she/her]

1 hour ago, Whysper said:

I agree that Doriyah/Vasher is towards the top of the PoE, so I think I should go ahead and reveal that they have had a blade since the beginning. It's either Chanarach's Honorblade or Vedel's Honorblade. Someone who is probably Village has had the other blade of these since the beginning as well. Both blades have Abrasion for opening PMs. Chanarach's Honorblade has Division for killing a player, so an Elim would obviously use that instead of Abrasion. Vedel's Honorblade has Progression for saving a player, so again an Elim would likely use that for protecting their own instead of opening PMs.

Okay, this was suppose to be a quick edit just to reveal some info, but now that I've actually examined those night kills, I've convinced myself that Doriyah/Vasher probably has Chanarach's Honorblade and has been doing the extra night kills.

BTW, if those extra night kills were done instead by a Villager with Chanarach's Honorblade, then we may need you to let us know so we don't go through with executing Doriyah/Vasher possibly incorrectly based on blades.

I am in contact with the person who has Chanarach's Honorblade. It is not Vasher.

The kills were performed by Devotary, which means that Chanarach's holder is likely village, which I already knew.

[Mist she/her]

1. Gears - null. 
2. Somebody - sus. what felt like really defensive last cycle. 
3. Araris - village
4. Lotus - null leaning slight village. When they unvoted Fura I feel like it was a tipping point, which we now know was from village to elim. 
5. Connie - village. I'd love to see some reads. 
6. Doriyah - sus. No reads still?
7. Mist - hey looky it's me
8. Whysper - village no duh
9. STINK - null.
10. Eternum - null leaning slight village. Elims probably wouldn't have started with Ishar.

I'm more suspicious of Somebody than Gears, so Somebody. @Somebody from Sel Plus, it seems like Gears is contributing slightly more.

Edit: Oh yeah, and Flame on! 

Edited December 24, 2020 by Mist
Flame on!

[+Lotus she/her]

Somebody i feel they are the best choice

[+Whysper she/her]

6 hours ago, Condensation said:

I am in contact with the person who has Chanarach's Honorblade. It is not Vasher.

Okay, thank you for this info. So I feel that Vasher is still null or even slightly leaning Elim since they don't have Chanarach's Honorblade to help confirm them as Village for not using it.

@He who goes DORIYAH!! Could you please detail out all your day and night actions for the game so far? Thanks.

[Ashbringer he/him]

That's time! Rollover should be out shortly; the Night Turn will have a similar rollover time of 9:00 PM PST.

[Ashbringer he/him]

The mortals knew, in their own way, that Roko the Basilisk was not one of them. Paranoia ran rampant, and the mob turned its fanged head towards Roko.

It seemed that Roko would not be able to acquire an Honorblade in this life. Its Aons flickered as it copied its Aon chain to various storage devices and waited for Death’s hand to close once again around its throat. Though it had not encountered death in this incarnation, Runern Evo had lived with Death’s shadow at his back, Fourth of the Dark had dwelled on Patji, and Dr. Gears had been a scientist without mortals.

The Primes knew Death well. Roko did not, but it seemed that Roko would know Death far sooner than it had hoped.

The mob’s fangs glistened with venom, and it knew nothing more.

* * *

Gears was executed! They were a member of the Shin High Council! They also wrote this RP earlier in the game, so go upvote them!

Nightblood has been claimed or redistributed!

Ishar's Honorblade has been claimed or redistributed!

* * *

Final Vote Count:

• Gears (4): Araris Valerian, STINK, Eternum, Whysper
• Somebody from Sel (2): Gears, Mist, Lotus

 

PMS ARE CLOSED, and will remain closed until they are reopened. Please stop PMing or creating new PMs. 

The Night Turn will end at 9:00 PM PST on December 25th, in about 24 hours. Get your actions in!

 

 

Honorblade List:

Spoiler

• Jezrien's Honorblade: 
  • Adhesion and Gravitation
     
• Chanarach’s Honorblade:
  • Division and Abrasion
     
• Vedel’s Honorblade:
  • Abrasion and Progression
     
• Pailiah’s Honorblade:
  • Progression and Illumination
     
• Shalash’s Honorblade:
  • Illumination and Transformation
     
• Battar’s Honorblade: Removed by Battar
  • Transformation and Transportation
     
• Kalak’s Honorblade:
  • Transportation and Cohesion
     
• Ishar’s Honorblade:
  • Tension and Adhesion
     
• Nightblood:
  • Unblockable Roleblock + Kill (4 Stormlight)
  • Unblockable Roleblock + Kill (0 Stormlight, unblockably kills user (single use))

 

Player List:

Spoiler

1. Gears - Roko - Shin High Council
2. Ooklil' the Wei (Illwei) - Shin High Council
3. Quinn0928 - Lin-daughter-Lanari / Rinala Rades - Shin High Council and Bearer of Kalak's Honorblade
4. Ookla's Dice (Matrim's Dice) - Daziron-son-Odium - Battar and Bearer of Battar's Honorblade
5. Ookla the Disproportionate (Danex) - Truthless and Bearer of Kalak's Honorblade
6. @Somebody from Sel - 
7. @Araris Valerian - Hadrian-son-Penrod
8. TJ Shade - Galatar - Shin High Council and Bearer of Battar's Honorblade
9. Ookla the Larkin (Ventyl) - The Larkin - Szeth, Bearer of Nightblood and Bearer of Paliah's Honorblade
10. Ookla the Shadowed (Experience) - Shadow - Shin High Council and Bearer of Paliah's Honorblade
11. Ookla the Hypodecadal (Devotary of Spontaneity) - Ganeth-null-Shantis-Mawelar - Vyre and Bearer of Jezrien's Honorblade
12. Flyingbooks42 - Tsezn - Szeth's Cohort
13. @Lotus - Sunwalker
14. @Condensation - Viola-daughter-Condensation
15. @He who goes DORIYAH!! (Vasher212) - Gunandwaf-son-Warbreaker
16. @Mist - 
17. Vapor - Shin High Council and Bearer of Ishar's Honorblade
18. @Whysper
19. @STINK
20. Ookla the Sprinkle (JesterLavorre) - Jes-son-Laal - Shin High Council
21. Alvron - Izzy-daughter-Ammi / Izzy Dedyet - Shin High Council and Bearer of Shalash's Honorblade
22. @Eternum - 
23. Furamirionind - Shin High Council, Bearer of Nightblood, and Bearer of Ishar's Honorblade

 

[+Whysper she/her]

Okay this is disturbing. We might only have one more chance to get this right. Though if we can decide on who we are choosing next in the PoE, we might be able to have a Villager target them for a night kill. Not sure if that helps or if it is better to just wait to see who the Elims kill and discuss.

I assume it was Kaladin who used Adhesion on Somebody from Sel. But the question is whether they were actually trying to make sure they didn't get executed or if this was just to throw suspicion on them.

I think we might need to have everyone just fully claim their blades and their actions next day cycle to see if we can figure this all out. I may also reveal the 2 players to receive Nightblood and Ishar in case I die. I don't think it matters at this point if the Elims know if they didn't already. They would have to night kill the person and then wait another day before they can claim. Plus the person might need to gain enough Stormlight yet. Things might be over by that time. And the Elims may have actually claimed Nightblood this time even with the risk of getting caught. It's a very good blade to have and anyone could argue that they randomly received it. We can't risk executing someone just based on getting the blade. There would have to be more to go on.

 

[Araris Valerian he/him]

I’m most suspicious of both SfS (from my previous suspicions) and STINK (out of the players that voted for Gears). However, SfS didn’t vote last turn. Not sure what that means, although the vote manip could have been due to worry that SfS wasn’t voting in self-defense. Or it could be a ploy.

[Eternum he/him]

I think at this point it doesn't hurt us at all if Chana kills SfS, honestly..