Experience he/him Posted October 6, 2020 Author Posted October 6, 2020 25 minutes ago, Illwei said: That reasoning seems way too IKYK. Hm, I'm going to vote on Jester. very unhelpful, I know. jester isn't really about to be voted out, and if I think Straw is innocent this doesn't neccessarily help them. I don't think Straw is an Elim though. I don't exactly know much about straw though so I don't have much to go on. Gears EDIT: Gears Jester Sorry @Experience I got it, it's fine.
Straw he/him Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 I’m not sure what I can do to save myself here, but I’d encourage people to take a serious look at the vote train on me. Jester’s reason in particular seems incredibly contrived. I’m not sure what benefit I’d gain from “pocketing” a complete inactive and then killing them.
The Windrunner Supreme he/him Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 I'm keeping my vote on Matrim, although I think that if he is village, than Jester may be Elim.
Illwei Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, The Windrunner Supreme said: I'm keeping my vote on Matrim, although I think that if he is village, than Jester may be Elim. I hope you realize that your vote on Matrim means nothing and acomplishes nothing right now, right? not to be too harsh, sorry to come off rude if I do, but you won't know if matrim flips by this vote, only Straw. EDIT: if straw flips elim, then I- Edited October 6, 2020 by Illwei 1
Mat he/him Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) I... don’t know what to do here... So that last post of Straw’s reads village to me. (I am sooo sorry Gears I did withdraw oops) but I think Jester is just really really confused. I dunno though, they said I was elim and then I was village: 2 hours ago, JesterLavorre said: I still feel like Straw, but Matrim is sus. Looking at some of his comments a second time, I could possibly see a strategy of feigning uncaringness toward votes as an excuse for lynching one or more villagers. I could also definitely see Straw and Mat both being elims, and playing up this so that if one of them is lynched, the other looks better for it. And then 48 minutes ago, JesterLavorre said: Looking over some of Matrim’s D1 posts, I think I’m more suspicious of Straw. Matrim reads village to me. He encouraged conversation early on, and his votes, while suspicious, could also be simple indecision. He also clearly stated that the Silber vote was a poke vote, and pulling it back after it seemed like Silber may get more votes makes sense if he only wanted Silber to be motivated to talk, not to be lynched. My reasoning for Straw is mainly his defense of Silber, but he also voted for Reading, so that implicates him a little. Matrim is definitely still my second pick, though. And at the end back. Which I viewed as a very very confused villager but I dunno... My gut is all over the place in this game, and I apologize to everybody for that cause it makes me very very hard to read. But since I’m having a very hard time coming up with actual reasoning, I’m relying on it. With that, JesterLavorre. Final answer. Don’t ask me. *Throws hands up in the air* asdaddidigdihcouvoitcogsgdohvj Yeah I’m gonna go read or something and see the reactions to this before I go to bed. Edit: Though if Jester flips village I’ll be suspicious of Straw again. Edited October 6, 2020 by Matrim's Dice
Experience he/him Posted October 6, 2020 Author Posted October 6, 2020 Another day, another night, another turn of death, Ninth of the Sky, killed in the day, Dawn, the Second, ravaged in the night, Ended in the Dawn, the Second of her kind, Lynched in light of Sky, the ninth has now died, Killed in the night, and in the day, five trappers now are gone. JesterLavorre was lynched! They were a Trapper with a Hidden Aviar. Vapor was killed! They were a Trapper with a Hidden Aviar. Vote Count: JesterLavorre(3): Matrim's Dice, Straw, Illwei Straw(2): Gears, JesterLavorre Matrim's Dice(1): The Windrunner Supreme The Windrunner Supreme(1): Kings_way The turn will end in just under 48 hours on Wednesday, October 7th, at 9:00 PM PST Player List: Spoiler 1) Lord Silberfarben: @Lord_Silberfarben: Trapper. 2) First of the Bone: @Ashbringer 3) @Elkanah 4) 2nd of the Twilight: @Kings_way 5) Pi of the Book: @Shard of Reading: Trapper. 6) Fourth of the Dark: @Gears 7) Philico: @Matrim's Dice 8) Second of the Dawn: @Ghanderflaffle: Trapper with Spy Aviar. 9) Third of the Midnight: @Vapor: Trapper with Hidden Aviar. 10) Ninth of the Sky: @JesterLavorre: Trapper with Hidden Aviar. 11) 295864685th of the midnight: @The Windrunner Supreme 12) First of the Clouds: @turtle 13) First of the Light: @Straw 14) Mint: @Frozen Mint 15) First of the Person: @CadCom 16) Twisp Winthrop: @Illwei
Mat he/him Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 Anajsjdsnajjabdhdjskandnsk Straw I ask you, fellow villagers, would I as an elim knowingly switch onto Jester knowing what would happen? No. No I would not. Good night, and may my gut figure itself out here pretty soon. That is all.
Illwei Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) Okay I was going to scream when Matrim switched his vote, because uncertainty at the last minute messes everything up. If straw had died we might know more then we do now. Assuming 4 Elims we're at 7/4, so not doing so well. I initially thought that Jester was a counter to the Straw train, but there wasn't really a straw chain to begin with and Straw was the first voter on Jester. Thought Ashbringer and Elkanah would vote though. They didn't. Elkanah EDIT: 1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said: I ask you, fellow villagers, would I as an elim knowingly switch onto Jester knowing what would happen? @Matrim's Dice I want to mark this as an Elim thing to say, but usually when I'm an Elim I feel like saying things like this looks more suspicious then usual. But Matrim, if Straw is an Elim, why did no elims save him?: Elk and Ash could have justified it, as Jester was marked suspicious in their reads (posted at the start of the cycle), Turtle is new and could probably have gotten away with following the crowd onto Jester Mint is Inactive and could have gotten away with following the crowd onto Jester CadCorn probably could have justified it somehow, I don't know him well though and Jester was at the bottom of his reads. Windrunner could have switched off of Matrim if he wanted and no one would have really questioned it. Unless there's a gears/Straw Elim team where gears was trying to bus Straw for credit (Which I just...I don't see) then I don't see Straw as an Elim. Or unless this is some deep IKYK play from you trying to get you village cred, which that doesn't make any sense as you're trying to kill him again. so-. Yeah. Edited October 6, 2020 by Illwei
Elkanah he/him Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 Yeah sorry, I was trying to catch up, but every time I have a few minutes to read the thread another fire shows up I need to put out. Enough griping. I was going to vote on Matrim, but that was the weirdest hammer I've ever seen. Even more so since we could just lynch Straw now, and it looks like he still intends to. I'll respond now since I'm here and start writing a bigger post. It could be a while coming depending on what I'm needed for at work.
Illwei Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 100% remembered about what you said earlier right after I posted. that's right. Okay. Elkanah Ashbringer
Ashbringer he/him Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) I honestly didn’t get the chance to read the thread past my last post... Edit: I’m not sure if I can put that in blue because my only reason is I was finishing CS and playing Among Us, but that’s what I did. Edited October 6, 2020 by Ashbringer
Elkanah he/him Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 Okay, after reading the thread I probably would have voted for Straw, but Illwei brings up a good point that there should have been more effort to save him. My second vote would have been for Jester and then Matrim... so basically what happened anyway. I'm trying to put away all my theories on how Matrim fits on a team with basically everyone. It's a struggle, but I don't think it will lead me anywhere. I'll follow Illwei's vote on Ashbringer. They didn't vote to save Jester or Straw and they had a weird vote on cycle one as well.
Illwei Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 @GearsI haven't stopped thinking about you though. Your vote on straw and your playing through rp doesnt sit right with me. Could have been an attempt to pocket jester ig too. While the Elims seemed seemed to not care, i would have assumed they wanted straw out more if he's village, because if straw flipped vil we almost certainly would have gone after jester next cycle.
Gears Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Illwei said: @GearsI haven't stopped thinking about you though. Your vote on straw and your playing through rp doesnt sit right with me. Could have been an attempt to pocket jester ig too. Twisp Winthrop doubts me because of my suspicion of Light. I wish they would elaborate. I found Light suspicious, along with Philico. Philico's last minute transfer annoys me, because unless Light has an important Aviar, there is no reason to save them when it would cast suspicion on the self. I think I am going to let this train of thought go for now, though I will return to it later if no suspicions arise. Why is First of the Bone being lynched in favor of other targets simply for their vote patterns, especially since they declared that they were very busy? I see no reason for this, especially since we could lynch Philico or Light to gain information. I still believe one of them to be a traitor, though less so. Perhaps Philico predicted the populace's reaction to the strangest hammer in the history of hammers. Idea: Philico is a traitor trying to get two mislynches by taking advantage of the general populace's confusion to get Light lynched. If Light is the traitor, traitorous Philico would probably not throw themself off the lynch like that. One of them is an elim. I am nearly certain of this. However, I suspect Philico (Matrim) slightly more now. Edited October 6, 2020 by Gears
Mat he/him Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Illwei said: Okay I was going to scream when Matrim switched his vote, because uncertainty at the last minute messes everything up. If straw had died we might know more then we do now. Yeah I have no idea what I was thinking. 9 hours ago, Illwei said: @Matrim's Dice I want to mark this as an Elim thing to say, but usually when I'm an Elim I feel like saying things like this looks more suspicious then usual. Thanks for the vote of confidence? 9 hours ago, Illwei said: But Matrim, if Straw is an Elim, why did no elims save him?: Elk and Ash could have justified it, as Jester was marked suspicious in their reads (posted at the start of the cycle), Turtle is new and could probably have gotten away with following the crowd onto Jester Mint is Inactive and could have gotten away with following the crowd onto Jester CadCorn probably could have justified it somehow, I don't know him well though and Jester was at the bottom of his reads. Windrunner could have switched off of Matrim if he wanted and no one would have really questioned it. Unless there's a gears/Straw Elim team where gears was trying to bus Straw for credit (Which I just...I don't see) then I don't see Straw as an Elim. Or unless this is some deep IKYK play from you trying to get you village cred, which that doesn't make any sense as you're trying to kill him again. so-. Yeah. Good point. I'm trying to decide how bad an unvote would look, but how much more suspicion could I really attract. Straw Here's my question: Why did you go from this: Quote But Matrim, if Straw is an Elim, why did no elims save him? To this:? 59 minutes ago, Illwei said: While the Elims seemed seemed to not care, i would have assumed they wanted straw out more if he's village, because if straw flipped vil we almost certainly would have gone after jester next cycle. EDIT: Ninja'd by Gears. Will post response to him later cause I have to do something now and the Shard at my first go at it. @Gears, I switched off before I saw your post. How does that rub on you? Edited October 6, 2020 by Matrim's Dice
CadCom he/him Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 I think I disagree with Illewei's change to Ashbringer. I get that Elkanah has been busy. Believe me, I do. I've efinitely had games where I struggle with activity too. But If I remember Elkanah's style, they were always one to try to help solve the game in pretty much any post. To me it seems most of Elkanah's posts this game are simply apologizing for their inactivity. IIRC correctly back to like 8 months ago(and there is room for error there) but even in Elkanah's most simple posts, there was some sort of direction to help out the village. Even Elk's most recent post only says what they would have done, and not much about their current thoughts And when there's little participation prior to that, it's really easy to pretend what you would have done. For that reason, I think I'm going to vote Elkanah for now. Ninja'd by both Matrim and Gears. I'll try to see if there's anything there I feel I should respond to
Mat he/him Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 1 minute ago, CadCom said: I think I disagree with Illewei's change to Ashbringer. I get that Elkanah has been busy. Believe me, I do. I've efinitely had games where I struggle with activity too. But If I remember Elkanah's style, they were always one to try to help solve the game in pretty much any post. To me it seems most of Elkanah's posts this game are simply apologizing for their inactivity. IIRC correctly back to like 8 months ago(and there is room for error there) but even in Elkanah's most simple posts, there was some sort of direction to help out the village. Even Elk's most recent post only says what they would have done, and not much about their current thoughts And when there's little participation prior to that, it's really easy to pretend what you would have done. For that reason, I think I'm going to vote Elkanah for now. Ninja'd by both Matrim and Gears. I'll try to see if there's anything there I feel I should respond to You guys are gonna be annoyed with me again, but I promise I'm not making this up: I was sorta thinking the exact same thing. When I read Elk's post, and Illwei's initial vote, I was like 'Ohhh yeah that makes sense' and coupled with his defense of Straw I was planning on switching to Elk. But then Illwei switched off and I was like 'Wellll maybe not'. But now that I'm a bit more backed up on this, uh, Elkanah. I also think that Illwei switched off of Elk a bit too quickly for my liking.
Gears Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 I do not understand the votes on First of the Bone. They seemed ill-reasoned, especially since Winthrop released Elkanah for being busy, but Bone said they were busy as well. In addition, Winthrop's suspicion of me seems odd, as though they haven't been reading my journal entries to find my reasoning. However, Philico keeps following people to a decision rather than being decisive. @Matrim's Dice, where is your confidence? Where is your instinct? I will release Light for now, but Winthrop and Philico seem strange. As I feel that I might be engaging in confirmation bias, I shall instead retract Philico (Matrim) and vote Winthrop (Illwei). @Illwei, please explain both your vote on Bone despite their declaration of being busy and your suspicion of me. I feel that both have been strangely reasoned, and I would like more from you. I do not suspect you as much as I do Philico, but that might be because I am tunneling, which is a terrible habit of mine that I really must improve upon.
Mat he/him Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gears said: @Matrim's Dice, where is your confidence? Where is your instinct? Confidence? Good question. I seem to be lacking that this game. Instinct? If you hadn't noticed, that's kinda all I've been relying on so far. That, and other people's suspicions.
Illwei Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 55 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: I'm trying to decide how bad an unvote would look, but how much more suspicion could I really attract. Straw Here's my question: Why did you go from this: To this:? So my first thing is matrims removal of his vote of straw gives me a bit more confidence in matrim's villagery-ness kinda. But, hey, as a side note, remember when you read over the elim doc of lg69? And you read that i said you were "easily swayed" ? Also - okay i mean remember how people (or was it just one person? I mean, i didnt say it because i dont like to plan my votes so that in itself is an elim thing to do but i got sidetracked anyways-) said that if Straw flipped vil then they would vote Jester the next day? So if straw was village then i assume that either the elims werent thinking or they just didnt want to get involved or they were busy or a number of things and im getting kinda off topic but yeah. I dont think straw is an elim, but I would have thought the Elims would do one thing, and they didnt, so now i need to justify it. 59 minutes ago, CadCom said: I get that Elkanah has been busy. Believe me, I do. I've efinitely had games where I struggle with activity too. But If I remember Elkanah's style, they were always one to try to help solve the game in pretty much any post. To me it seems most of Elkanah's posts this game are simply apologizing for their inactivity. IIRC correctly back to like 8 months ago(and there is room for error there) but even in Elkanah's most simple posts, there was some sort of direction to help out the village. Even Elk's most recent post only says what they would have done, and not much about their current thoughts And when there's little participation prior to that, it's really easy to pretend what you would have done. For that reason, I think I'm going to vote Elkanah for 52 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: I was sorta thinking the exact same thing. When I read Elk's post, and Illwei's initial vote, I was like 'Ohhh yeah that makes sense' and coupled with his defense of Straw I was planning on switching to Elk. But then Illwei switched off and I was like 'Wellll maybe not' Sorry about the quotes cut wierdly, im on mobile. Anyways, yeah. that's why i voted on Elk basically too. He seems more like he was when i was an Elim (kinda) with him, but I'm currently giving him the benefit of the doubt. Not that enthused that he voted on ash as well though...especially since- 40 minutes ago, Gears said: . @Illwei, please explain both your vote on Bone despite their declaration of being busy and your suspicion of me. I feel that both have been strangely reasoned, and I would like more from you. I do not suspect you as much as I do Philico, but that might be because I am tunneling, which is a terrible habit of mine that I really must improve upon. Is bone Ash? If so then my vote on ash was a mix of a gut read and a poke, which is why it made zero sense to me for Elk to follow it, especially seeing as he said Matrim was his top third suspicion? Yeah. I would ask elk to eloborate but he seems to be busy at work. Also the difference to me is Elk said he would be busy beforehand, and Ash said he was busy after. Basically it. And now i have admitted it was a poke vote (which didnt work and i need to explain it i guess before the Elims decide to follow gears) and now must take it off, as my religion forbids Poke votes after it is revealed that they be poke votes. Anyways- @eltruT @The Windrunner Supreme @Kings_way opinions on everything that has happened thus far? Also i will be at regular computer in a bit to answer questions if people have them because that seems to be a theme
Turtle they/them Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 So I don't have many thoughts on the game so far, though I do think what you said about Elkanah is true (The following your poke vote), though they did give reasoning. I also think that Elims kill on vapor is slightly weird, and the same thing for the kill last game. Vapor's aviar wouldn't be dangerous to them and silberbarfen was inactive.
Illwei Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, eltruT said: Vapor's aviar wouldn't be dangerous to them and silberbarfen was inactive. I mean, no one knows what Aviars the others have, so it seems to me that the Elims are targeting the people that will give the least amount of info. I'm not sure who's playstyle that is. for all I know it could be CadCom's. It might be Elk's...I guess I can go check everyone's previous elim games if I care enough. Hael was submitting basically all the kills that game though, so I don't even remember. Would it be a new player strat to kill inactives? I've always seen them as helpful to the Elims. Edited October 6, 2020 by Illwei
The Windrunner Supreme he/him Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 6 hours ago, Gears said: Twisp Winthrop doubts me because of my suspicion of Light. I wish they would elaborate. I found Light suspicious, along with Philico. Philico's last minute transfer annoys me, because unless Light has an important Aviar, there is no reason to save them when it would cast suspicion on the self. I think I am going to let this train of thought go for now, though I will return to it later if no suspicions arise. Why is First of the Bone being lynched in favor of other targets simply for their vote patterns, especially since they declared that they were very busy? I see no reason for this, especially since we could lynch Philico or Light to gain information. I still believe one of them to be a traitor, though less so. Perhaps Philico predicted the populace's reaction to the strangest hammer in the history of hammers. Idea: Philico is a traitor trying to get two mislynches by taking advantage of the general populace's confusion to get Light lynched. If Light is the traitor, traitorous Philico would probably not throw themself off the lynch like that. One of them is an elim. I am nearly certain of this. However, I suspect Philico (Matrim) slightly more now. I agree. Ive had this feeling that Matrim was elim for a while. My vote will be on Matrim for now
Mat he/him Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Windrunner Supreme said: I agree. Ive had this feeling that Matrim was elim for a while. My vote will be on Matrim for now Did you happen to see this post?: 6 hours ago, Gears said: I do not understand the votes on First of the Bone. They seemed ill-reasoned, especially since Winthrop released Elkanah for being busy, but Bone said they were busy as well. In addition, Winthrop's suspicion of me seems odd, as though they haven't been reading my journal entries to find my reasoning. However, Philico keeps following people to a decision rather than being decisive. @Matrim's Dice, where is your confidence? Where is your instinct? I will release Light for now, but Winthrop and Philico seem strange. As I feel that I might be engaging in confirmation bias, I shall instead retract Philico (Matrim) and vote Winthrop (Illwei). @Illwei, please explain both your vote on Bone despite their declaration of being busy and your suspicion of me. I feel that both have been strangely reasoned, and I would like more from you. I do not suspect you as much as I do Philico, but that might be because I am tunneling, which is a terrible habit of mine that I really must improve upon.
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