Mat he/him Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, Straw said: Wait why are people going after Silber? I'd really rather not go full contribution crusade on day one. It was a complete accident, I believe. A poke vote turned vote train. I'd rather not either.
Illwei Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 12 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: It was a complete accident, I believe. A poke vote turned vote train. I'd rather not either. Ash and Jester jumping on the Silber vote doesn't really sit right with me.
Mat he/him Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 Real quick before I go to bed: Lord_Silberfarben
Ashbringer he/him Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 I don't really see a reason not to encourage activity... and if we're agreed that we aren't lynching Reading or Gears that narrows down our options based on analysis. I'll stay with it unless Silber posts or someone has another option.
Vapor she/her Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 7 hours ago, Illwei said: Im going to @people because im on mobile and its hard to quote posts @Matrim's Dice @Straw uh you do you but i personally dont think reading should be killed because this is his first game back in a while, though i guess you guys in particular would have a better idea of what reading looks like as an elim. I also dont have a great alternative right now so im going to have to look more. I mean right now i wouldnt be opposed to voting silber @Straw you never exactly gave your reasonings for voting reading? @The Windrunner Supreme can you explain what you mean by "lucky you" ? @Elkanah @Ashbringer @Vapor i know the LG is running, but if you guys could take 30 minutes and read through and weite at lest something in regards to who youre voting for that would be nice. @Frozen Mint @Lord_Silberfarben ,? Edit: ninjad by Matrim Sorry, working on something for tomorrow. I'm a bit busy rn
Mat he/him Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 @Illwei @JesterLavorre Ashbringer as an alternative. @Ashbringer
Illwei Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said: Ashbringer as an alternative. Why would voting out ash be better than silber? Edited October 4, 2020 by Illwei ashdjkadsfld now I have 421 posts :((
Straw he/him Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: I don't really see a reason not to encourage activity... and if we're agreed that we aren't lynching Reading or Gears that narrows down our options based on analysis. I'll stay with it unless Silber posts or someone has another option. What do we gain from voting out Silber? I don’t think it encourages activity all that much at the moment. Better to give him a bit more time to start talking. The Shard says he hasn’t been on since Tuesday, so he might even be replaced instead. Also, since when did we agree not to go after Gears or Reading?
Mat he/him Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Illwei said: Why would voting out ash be better than silber? Because Silber was an unintentional candidate and I think Ash's vote on him was kinda weird. 2 minutes ago, Straw said: Also, since when did we agree not to go after Gears or Reading? I personally am not since Gears has been voted out D1 like 3 or 4 games in a row and Reading is a returning player (so should be treated as new, at least for a little while)
Illwei Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said: Because Silber was an unintentional candidate and I think Ash's vote on him was kinda weird. See now my problem here is voting out Silber doesn't give us really any info, but it gives us more people who will talk. voting out ash also doesn't give us much info, and it leaves us with less people who will talk. it's more likely we find out Ash is an elim in later cycles from them talking then it is for Silber.
Straw he/him Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 Just now, Illwei said: See now my problem here is voting out Silber doesn't give us really any info, but it gives us more people who will talk. voting out ash also doesn't give us much info, and it leaves us with less people who will talk. it's more likely we find out Ash is an elim in later cycles from them talking then it is for Silber. In my opinion, info is better than increased discussion here. I also think that going after people to promote discussion rather than going after them because you think they’re an elim severely degraded the quality of discussion, which kind of ruins the whole point. We should always be focused on voting out elims.
+JesterLavorre she/they Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 Silber. Ok, so here’s what I’ve got. Reading and Straw seem a little antagonistic toward each other. There are many explanations for this. Matrim has agreed with Straw on his accusations or reading. Both Matrim and gears expressed an interest in waiting to lynch anyone until a later round, though I’m not sure they still feel that way. Straw does not want Silber to be lynched, Ash does. The people who wanted to lynch anyone who a spy said was an elim were: Elkanah, Ghanderflafle, elturT, and Straw. Reading seems a little salty about all the accusations coming his way. This could go either way.
Illwei Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Straw said: In my opinion, info is better than increased discussion here. I also think that going after people to promote discussion rather than going after them because you think they’re an elim severely degraded the quality of discussion, which kind of ruins the whole point. We should always be focused on voting out elims. Yeah, but right now we don't really have any clue of who the elims are, It's D1. if you can explain your vote on Reading I might switch back, but just because there's no point in not voting him D1 if he end up getting voted off D2. Idk. My reasons for not killing people coming back after a break is because who comes into a game and is like "woot I can't wait to play for the first time in a while and get killed D1!" if they wanted that then they would have picked a cpec doc. 1 minute ago, JesterLavorre said: k, so here’s what I’ve got. Reading and Straw seem a little antagonistic toward each other. There are many explanations for this. Matrim has agreed with Straw on his accusations or reading. Both Matrim and gears expressed an interest in waiting to lynch anyone until a later round, though I’m not sure they still feel that way. Straw does not want Silber to be lynched, Ash does. Straw's read of Reading makes more sense to me, as Reading's view of Straw was basically hasty self defense. a kind of suspicious move. Matrim and Gears wanted to not kill anyone? can you point out where you saw this, because they were both explaining to...Ghander? that not voting only helps the Elims. Edited October 4, 2020 by Illwei
Mat he/him Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Illwei said: Yeah, but right now we don't really have any clue of who the elims are, It's D1. if you can explain your vote on Reading I might switch back, but just because there's no point in not voting him D1 if he end up getting voted off D2. Idk. My reasons for not killing people coming back after a break is because who comes into a game and is like "woot I can't wait to play for the first time in a while and get killed D1!" if they wanted that then they would have picked a cpec doc. On one hand, I probably will be voting Reading D2, so you're right. But on the other hand, you're right when you say you don't want to vote him out D1. I'll let him play more tomorrow and see what I think.
Illwei Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said: I'll let him play more tomorrow and see what I think. the thing is my reasoning is it's no fun to die D1, but since reading is basically marked for death D2 there's no reason for me not to vote him now...
Straw he/him Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 Just now, Illwei said: Yeah, but right now we don't really have any clue of who the elims are, It's D1. if you can explain your vote on Reading I might switch back, but just because there's no point in not voting him D1 if he end up getting voted off D2. Idk. My reasons for not killing people coming back after a break is because who comes into a game and is like "woot I can't wait to play for the first time in a while and get killed D1!" if they wanted that then they would have picked a cpec doc. I disagree that we have no clue who the elims are on D1. We can certainly attempt to find elims, and should do so. There is no reason not to try our best, and giving up on finding elims D1 ends up being self-defeating. Having legitimate discussion on D1 also gives us more information to look back and analyze in the future. I believe I explained by reasoning for voting Reading earlier? I am willing to switch off of Shard of Reading, and I’m currently taking a look at Ashbringer.
Ashbringer he/him Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: @Illwei @JesterLavorre Ashbringer as an alternative. @Ashbringer Shoulda seen that coming... I'm against Gears because it would be his second D1 lynch in a row (which I think a few of us agreed on) and because Reading died D1 last game... and especially because I was the one to kill him. Maybe that was just me, but I've only been skimming the thread thanks to the LG. That and I can never get people to vote Silber in the late game when I try to... And, who else is there? Mat and Straw seem to be good; Ghander, Jester, Windrunner, and Turtle are all new; Kings_Way is essentially new; CadCom and Reading are returning after long breaks; Illwei I essentially just got mislynched; Mint I always end up tunneling on; Gears is a no; and Vapor is inactive with reason from Mist in the LG. That leaves me, Silber, and Elkanah. I'd rather lynch Silber for total inactivity than Elkanah for partial inactivity.
Mat he/him Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Illwei said: the thing is my reasoning is it's no fun to die D1, but since reading is basically marked for death D2 there's no reason for me not to vote him now... He's not marked for death, just marked for examination. 2 minutes ago, Straw said: I am willing to switch off of Shard of Reading, and I’m currently taking a look at Ashbringer. Yeeeeah you're active and all but I don't like that. 1 minute ago, Ashbringer said: Shoulda seen that coming... I'm against Gears because it would be his second D1 lynch in a row (which I think a few of us agreed on) and because Reading died D1 last game... and especially because I was the one to kill him. Maybe that was just me, but I've only been skimming the thread thanks to the LG. That and I can never get people to vote Silber in the late game when I try to... And, who else is there? Mat and Straw seem to be good; Ghander, Jester, Windrunner, and Turtle are all new; Kings_Way is essentially new; CadCom and Reading are returning after long breaks; Illwei I essentially just got mislynched; Mint I always end up tunneling on; Gears is a no; and Vapor is inactive with reason from Mist in the LG. That leaves me, Silber, and Elkanah. I'd rather lynch Silber for total inactivity than Elkanah for partial inactivity. I mean, that's fair. Ahhhhhh what am I doing... Ashbringer. If you were an elim you'd have been more careful and not joined that train, probably. Maybe I'll just not vote.
+JesterLavorre she/they Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, Illwei said: Matrim and Gears wanted to not kill anyone? can you point out where you saw this, because they were both explaining to...Ghander? that not voting only helps the Elims. Sorry got that backwards. Typo. Gears and Matrim both did want to lynch day 1. If someone is lynched, do we learn whether they were an elim? If so, it could be a good idea to go for someone who has been active, as we can then learn from their actions who may be an elim.
Straw he/him Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: Yeeeeah you're active and all but I don't like that. What do you mean?
Illwei Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 Just now, JesterLavorre said: If someone is lynched, do we learn whether they were an elim? If so, it could be a good idea to go for someone who has been active, as we can then learn from their actions who may be an elim. I think that's the argument for not voting out Silber. IMO inactives help the Elims a lot more than they help the Village in the long run though, and with Silber there will be no way to tell if he's an Elim during the game unless something happens where he can suddenly be as active as Matrim usually is. Do you have any suspicions right now? (er, 40 minutes til rollover...)
Straw he/him Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, JesterLavorre said: Sorry got that backwards. Typo. Gears and Matrim both did want to lynch day 1. If someone is lynched, do we learn whether they were an elim? If so, it could be a good idea to go for someone who has been active, as we can then learn from their actions who may be an elim. Yeah, we learn their alignment when they die. It’s usually best to consider how suspicious they’re acting instead of how active they are. Voting out the most active players tends to both discourage activity and get rid of a lot of active villagers, which isn’t ideal.
Mat he/him Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Straw said: What do you mean? I don't like how I mentioned a gut read on Reading and then you voted on him, and when I switched to Ash you decided to 'take a look at him' and be willing to leave Reading alone after previously... not. A lot of people have been reading you as village for activity. It's probably nothing. 7 minutes ago, JesterLavorre said: If someone is lynched, do we learn whether they were an elim? If so, it could be a good idea to go for someone who has been active, as we can then learn from their actions who may be an elim. Yes, alignments are revealed upon death. (ninja'd) Edited October 4, 2020 by Matrim's Dice
+JesterLavorre she/they Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Illwei said: Do you have any suspicions right now? I mean, Reading has definitely been acting sus. However, I have a gut feeling that he is village. I don’t know why, and I don’t trust that feeling one bit.
Straw he/him Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said: I don't like how I mentioned a gut read on Reading and then you voted on him, and when I switched to Ash you decided to 'take a look at him' and be willing to leave Reading alone after previously... not. A lot of people have been reading you as village for activity. It's probably nothing. I can kind of see your point of the Reading thing, but I wanted to start some discussion. Also, taking a look at Ash does not mean I’m going to vote for him. My willingness to switch off Reading is primarily because other people are unwilling to vote for him. There is relatively little point to me pursuing a vote that will not happen. I do still consider Reading my primary elim read though.
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